Hi! If some devs in a years time are able to port windows 7 or 8 to the prime, and let's say it works amazingly. Would the GPU in the prime be strong enough to play games like half life 2 on it? I know it probably won't happen, but we never know, or is it 100% impossible?
First off, windows 7 and windows 8 desktop edition will never work on the prime because they won't run on an ARM processor. Theoretically Windows 8 for ARM could run on the Prime, but it will be very hard to do in practice because Windows 8 ARM will only boot using a secure, verified bootloader which the prime doesn't have.
Even if you could get windows running, current windows applications would not work - windows applications are compiled for x86 processors and would have to be rebuilt in order to work on an ARM platform. So the chance of AAA games like half life 2 are very small.
Finally, even if they were ported, the graphics power of the Prime is still far below what you get in a normal PC these days. GTAIII is getting towards the limit of what you can do on Tegra 3 without some serious device specific optimisation - I don't think half life would run that well at all, although the source engine is very scaleable in terms of performance so it might be somewhat doable.
Jep. Many people misunderstand the whole windows 8 situation imho. x86/64 CPUs (which are in every pc/laptop) are crap for any mobile devices. They simply need to much power.
Windows8 on ARM (WOA as they call it) will have to build everything from the ground up. When it comes out there will be no apps, no users, no devs. It has basically nothing to do with Windows 7 or Windows 8 x86/64 except the name. So atm i dont see any reason why WOA should be better than any Android tablet. Maybe if you need really extensive, features filled office apps? Coz i'm pretty sure MS office will be the strongest (and only?) selling point for WOA.
When it comes to games, i think the Tegra3 has much potential. GTA III is a bad example imho. It is a port from a console (PS2) and also runs on my 1ghz DesireHD pretty well. Games optimized for the tegra3 can look amazing (glowball demo!). One of the first examples is Shadowgun. But even that is a port with added effects. It all depends on how many studios will decide to make games for the chip - and how many devices will be sold with the chip.
But actually you can play half-life through splashtop (remote desktop app that comes preinstalled on prime), i tried it with Skyrim and it worked pretty well but had some input lag. But i hear a tegra3 optimized version of splashtop is being developed.
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Was really hoping Win8 could be ported to the prime
This info makes me sad
SpinnZ said:
Was really hoping Win8 could be ported to the prime
This info makes me sad
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Again, why would want win8?
IneffablePigeon said:
First off, windows 7 and windows 8 desktop edition will never work on the prime because they won't run on an ARM processor. Theoretically Windows 8 for ARM could run on the Prime, but it will be very hard to do in practice because Windows 8 ARM will only boot using a secure, verified bootloader which the prime doesn't have.
Even if you could get windows running, current windows applications would not work - windows applications are compiled for x86 processors and would have to be rebuilt in order to work on an ARM platform. So the chance of AAA games like half life 2 are very small.
Finally, even if they were ported, the graphics power of the Prime is still far below what you get in a normal PC these days. GTAIII is getting towards the limit of what you can do on Tegra 3 without some serious device specific optimisation - I don't think half life would run that well at all, although the source engine is very scaleable in terms of performance so it might be somewhat doable.
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Huh? GTA 3 pushing limits of tegra3? Lmfao yeah right..that's funny as hell. That game no where near graphics n gsmeplay of Shadowgun THD edition. Actually no game has even come close to pushing the limits of Tegra3 yet. Boy that was funny..lol. tegra2 can push GTA 3 easily. Its already been stated that alot of major PC games would already be easy to port to prime without any loss in graphics or performance. TEGRA3 more powerful than dual core PC. With tegra3 pushing over 5Ghz total from all cores, we have yet to see anything even make tegra3 sweat yet. This is the only tegra3 device and its barely over a month old.
Here are some facts on Tegra3 and what app n game developers had to say about it.
NVIDIA Quad-Core Tegra 3 Chip Sets New Standards of Mobile Computing Performance, Energy Efficiency
Tegra 3's Fifth 'Companion' Core Enables Ultra-Low Power Consumption, While Advanced Quad-Core Processors Drive Record-Breaking Performance
SANTA CLARA, CA -- (Marketwire) -- 11/08/2011 -- NVIDIA today ushered in the era of quad-core mobile computing with the introduction of the NVIDIA® Tegra® 3 processor, bringing PC-class performance levels, better battery life and improved mobile experiences to tablets and phones. The world's first quad-core tablet with the Tegra 3 processor is the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime.
Known previously by the codename "Project Kal-El," the Tegra 3 processor provides up to 3x the graphics performance of Tegra 2, and up to 61 percent lower power consumption. This translates
NVIDIA's Tegra 3 quad-core processor brings PC-class
into an industry-leading 12 hours of battery life for
performance levels, better battery life and improved mobile
HD video playback.
experiences to tablets and phones.
The Tegra 3 processor implements a new, patent-pending technology known as Variable Symmetric Multiprocessing (vSMP). vSMP includes a fifth CPU "companion," specifically designed for work requiring little power. The four main cores are specifically designed for work requiring high performance, and generally consume less power than dual-core processors.
During tasks that require less power consumption -- like listening to music, playing back video or updating background data -- the Tegra 3 processor completely shuts down its four performance-tuned cores and, instead, uses its companion core. For high-performance tasks -- like web browsing, multitasking and gaming -- the Tegra 3 processor disables the companion.
The ASUS Eee Pad Transformer Prime is the world's first
"NVIDIA's fifth core is ingenious," said Nathan
quad-core tablet with Tegra 3.
Brookwood, Research Fellow at Insight 64. "Tegra 3's vSMP technology extends the battery life of next-generation mobile devices by using less power when they're handling undemanding tasks and then ratcheting up performance when it's really needed."
The Tegra 3 quad-core CPUs are complemented with a new 12-core NVIDIA GeForce® GPU, which delivers more realism with dynamic lighting, physical effects and high resolution environments, plus support for 3D stereo, giving developers the means to bring the next generation of mobile games to life.
Tegra 3 provides the fastest, highest-quality gaming,
For the millions who play games on mobile devices,
including new Tegra 3-optimized TegraZone games such as
the Tegra 3 processor provides an experience
Shadowgun, Riptide GP, Bladeslinger and Sprinkle.
comparable to that of a game console. It offers full game-controller support, enabling consumers to play games on their tablet or super phone, or connect to big screen HDTVs for a truly immersive experience. It also leverages NVIDIA's award-winning 3D Vision technology and automatically converts OpenGL applications to stereo 3D, so consumers can experience 3D on a big screen 3D TV (via HDMI™ 1.4 technology).
The Tegra 3 processor provides the industry's....
Fastest web experience - with accelerated Adobe Flash Player 11, HTML5 and WebGL browsing, and an optimized Javascript engine Fastest applications - with blazing performance for multimedia apps, such as photo and video editing Fastest multitasking - for switching between common uses, such as playing music and games, and background tasks Fastest, highest-quality gaming - including new Tegra 3 processor-optimized NVIDIA Tegra Zone™ app games such as Shadowgun, Riptide GP, Sprinkle, Big Top THD, Bladeslinger, DaVinci THD and Chidori.
Highlights / Key Facts:
The Tegra 3 processor redefines power consumption and mobile-computing performance with: The world's first quad-core ARM Cortex A9 CPU New patent-pending vSMP technology, including a fifth CPU core that runs at a lower frequency and operates at exceptionally low power 12-core GeForce GPU, with 3x the graphics performance of the Tegra 2 processor, including support for stereoscopic 3D New video engines with support for 1080p high profile video at 40 Mbps Up to 3x higher memory bandwidth Up to 2x faster Image Signal Processor 40 games are expected to be available by the end of 2011, and over 15 Tegra 3 games are under development for Tegra Zone, NVIDIA's free Android Market app that showcases the best games optimized for the Tegra processor.
NVIDIA's 'Glowball Part 2' demo shows off what's possible in mobile graphics thanks to Tegra 3's quad-core technology.
The Tegra 3 processor is in production. Developers can order the Tegra 3 Developer Kit to create applications for devices with Tegra such as tablets and super phones, at developer.nvidia.com/tegra.
Quotes: NVIDIA, ASUS
"The Eee Pad Transformer Prime is a category-defining product. Powered by Tegra 3, it launches us into a new era of mobile computing, in which quad-core performance and super energy-efficiency provide capabilities never available before. With Transformer Prime, ASUS has once again led the industry into the next generation." - Jen-Hsun Huang, President and Chief Executive Officer, NVIDIA
"Tegra 3 is a marvel. Its quad-core CPU, 12-core GeForce GPU and vSMP technology are revolutionary. We worked closely with NVIDIA to build the ultimate tablet -- the Eee Pad Transformer Prime -- that delivers a magical, uncompromised experience to consumers." - Jerry Shen, CEO at ASUS
Key Game Developers
"Thanks to Tegra 3's quad-core CPUs, Shadowgun looks and plays the best on Tegra. Consumers are going to love the quad-core Shadowgun version -- which features rag doll physics, console quality water simulation, particle effects, enhanced shaders, dynamic textures, and more." - Marek Rabas, CEO of Madfinger Games
"Riptide GP showed how Tegra brought mobile gaming on Android to new heights. Tegra 3's quad-core performance has allowed us to add a whole set of exclusive new features -- improved water visuals, splash effects, motion blur -- that pushes the experience to an entirely new level." - Matt Small, Creative Director at Vector Unit
"Working with NVIDIA makes the impossible possible. Our Tegra 3 optimized game DaVinci THD will look brilliant when it comes out, with mind-blowing 3D graphics and intuitive touchscreen interface. DaVinci THD will leverage Tegra 3 for its multi-threading capabilities, so we can scale across all four CPU cores and deliver the ultimate console-quality performance. As a result, DaVinci THD will be more realistic, interactive and challenging than anything we've done before." - Kijong Kang, VP and Executive Producer at Bridea Corporation
"Combining BitSquid's tech engine with Tegra 3's quad core architecture means a gaming experience like no other. Gamers are going to really see the next-generation gaming experience in Hamilton's Great Adventure THD." - Martin Wahlund, CEO at Fatshark
"With Tegra 3, NVIDIA has shattered the usual constraints on the quality of mobile device experiences. By enabling tablets and smartphones to operate at an exceptional level, it allows developers like Zen Studios to create console-quality experiences that can be enjoyed anywhere, anytime. The quad-core fueled graphics and physics in Zen Pinball THD are simply incredible and represent the premier mobile pinball experience. You can only get that on devices built on Tegra 3." - Mel Kirk, Vice President of Marketing and Public Relations at Zen Studios
"Quad-core chips are raising the stakes for mobile gaming. With Tegra 3, we can render even more content with better animations on Bladeslinger THD -- all while consuming less power. This is a recipe for all-day game play." - Sam Williams, General Manager at Luma Arcade
"Tegra 3 is making much more complex gaming environments possible on mobile platforms. Gamers are going to be amazed by the level of graphical detail and realistic physics that come through in quad-core enhanced games like Soulcraft THD." - Karsten Wysk, CEO of Mobile Bits
"As we've seen on Big Top THD, gaming performance on Tegra 3's quad-core architecture is unmatched. From the high quality shadows to improved tent animation and high-dive splash effects, Tegra 3's 12-core GPU delivers the best gaming experience and uses the lowest power you'll see on a mobile device." - Robert Troughton, CEO at Pitbull Studio Ltd.
"Tegra 3's quad-cores bring out the best in our Substance smart texturing engine. The CPU and GPU parallel processing allows mobile game developers to add never-seen animated visual effects and textures to their games, translating into an absolutely stunning visual experience on mobile." - Sébastien Deguy, CEO and Founder at Allegorithmic
"Tegra 3's quad-core processor and 12-core GPU allows developers to port PC and console game titles using BitSquid Tech for the same great experience on any device. From a hard-core gamer's customized PC to a phone or tablet with Tegra, you'll get identical game play and buttery smooth graphics, anywhere any time." - Tobias Persson, Co-Founder and Rendering Architect at BitSquid Tech
"We're excited to bring the definitive version of Siegecraft to Tegra 3. Its amazing graphics performance and quad-core scaling let us amp up the game to the max -- more physics, more units, more Siegecraft!" - Benjamin Lee, Managing Director at Blowfish Studios
"Thanks to Tegra 3's fantastic GPU performance we were able to use the same quality textures in Zombie Driver THD as on the PC. The outstanding quad-core CPU performance makes it possible to support Tegra game development in parallel to other high-end platforms." - Pawel Lekki, Chief Operating Officer at Exor Studios
"Quad-core technology has changed how we approach mobile game development. Tegra 3 helped us create Jett Tailfin Racers THD -- an eight-player game with the highest resolution textures, underwater caustics and anisotropic shading we've ever seen on a mobile device." - Manny Granillo, President at Hoplite Research
"Mobile gaming is about to take a huge leap forward with Tegra 3. Its GPU gives us access to higher-resolution textures and far better effects. And its four CPUs make Euphoria's gameplay smoother, more interactive and quality that's close to a console." - Keiichi Yano, Co-Founder and VP of Development at iNiS
"It's incredible what Tegra 3's quad-core architecture brings to mobile gaming. As good as Combat Arms looks on a tablet, it looks 1000 times better when you connect it to your HDTV, strap on game controllers and sit back to enjoy a real 3D console-gaming experience with Combat Arms: Zombies THD." - Albert Rim, CEO at Nexon Mobile Corporation
"With the Tegra 3 processor, NVIDIA is once again painting new horizons for technology on wireless platforms. We're excited to see how the thousands of developers using Unity to create interactive 3D content will take advantage of the extra power that NVIDIA's quad-core technology provides." - Tony Garcia, Vice President of Business Development at Unity Technologies
"Tegra 3 is equivalent to a console game machine, and we believe devices with it will play an important part in next-generation games. We've been working on optimizing our cross-platform engine Chidori to fully support Tegra 3. To support Tegra 3's multi-core engine, we've optimized our 3D effect tool. And we've adapted our high-quality shader library, Aoi, to Tegra 3, allowing truly beautiful imagery." - Katsunori Yamaji, CEO and Executive Producer at Premium Agency Inc.
"By harnessing the strength of Tegra 3's 12-core GPU in our multiplatform middleware, game developers can easily port titles to Tegra 3 and achieve true console-quality graphics. Tegra 3's quad-core architecture and Orochi's multicore-enhanced, game-engine technology is going to spur the evolution of games on quad-core mobile devices." - Takehiko Terada, President and CEO at Silicon Studio Corporation
"We're totally pumped by the potential of Tegra 3's quad-core CPU and 12-core GPU. They'll bring console-quality experiences to mobile devices, and we're working to bring an amazing title to the Tegra platform. Stay tuned for our announcement of a great Tegra 3-optimized title in the coming months." - Richie Casper, Creative Director at Acquire Corp.
"NVIDIA's GPU architecture delivers the best gaming experience, bringing true console-quality games to mobile devices. Our Lost Planet 2 test demo makes it clear -- the quad-core muscle of Tegra 3 brings hyper-realistic visuals, smooth frame rates and sharp images. The result is a whole new level of realism to content for smartphones and tablets." - Jun Takeuchi, Deputy Head of Consumer Games at Capcom
"Tegra 3 is a huge leap forward in mobile computing. Using its quad-core capabilities, we were able to improve all of Sprinkle's visual effects, plus add a whole new layer of smoke simulation." - Dennis Gustafsson, Co-Founder of Mediocre
"We're floored by everything we've seen in Tegra 3. Its four cores, coupled with amazing graphics performance, will let us bring awesome gaming experiences to the Tegra platform next year." - Carlo Perconti, CEO at HyperDevBox
Key Content Partners
"Flash-based apps packaged with AIR allow content creators to deliver premium gaming and video experiences, while HTML5 apps built with PhoneGap enable fantastic, general-purpose mobile apps. We continue our close partnership with NVIDIA to ensure that these visually rich, highly-interactive apps can significantly benefit from Tegra 3's enhanced CPU and GPU horsepower." - Jennifer Carr, Senior Director, Business Development at Adobe
"We've been developing multimedia applications on Tegra 3 for some time now. The quad-core processing muscle will allow some new apps and use-cases that consumers are going to love." - George Tang, General Manager and VP of the Video and Entertainment Group at ArcSoft
"Tegra 3's quad-core performance makes a huge difference for photo and augmented reality apps. Our Photaf Panorama Pro THD app runs more than 40% faster, and Face Costume gets over 60 percent speedup over comparable dual-core processors. Quad core opens up new possibilities for future application development, especially in the field of computer vision." - Oren Bengigi, CEO at Bengigi Studio
"Tegra 3 gives us the quad-core horsepower to really push the envelope on cool video editing effects, smooth video playback, augmented reality camera and other challenging applications. With Tegra 3, we're delivering real-time compositing and preview of simultaneous 1080p HD streams and graphics on a mobile device -- that's amazing." - Alice H. Chang, CEO at Cyberlink
"Seamless, compelling Augmented Reality (AR) experiences demand that all of the pieces of a mobile device work together. Metaio's AR software requires optimized mobile hardware to make the way we access digital information a more natural experience. Tegra 3 delivers the multi-core CPU performance required for advanced vision processing while bringing a tremendous boost in GPU performance. Working with Tegra's software stack will make it possible for us to utilize all of those capabilities towards building an Augmented World." - Dr. Thomas Alt, CEO at metaio
"Tegra 3's combination of HD video playback performance and extended battery life will give Netflix members a fantastic experience as they watch movies and TV episodes streaming from Netflix via their Android devices." - Bill Holmes, Vice President of Business Development at Netflix
"Tegra 3 gives us the horsepower we need to bring a PC-quality photo editing experience to mobile devices through applications like Snapseed, by Nik Software." - Michael Slater, President and CEO at Nik Software
"By collaborating with NVIDIA, we are able to bring advanced multi-touch and pen capabilities to the tablet market, providing the Android user with a smoother and richer user experience, and enhancing the tablet from a basic consumption device to one that offers more personal and creative capabilities. The processing strength provided by Tegra 3's additional cores will enable application developers to dedicate CPU cycles to UI processing and provide an enriched pen solution for artistic, enterprise and educational applications." - Amichai Ben David, CEO of N-Trig
"The tablet and mobile device market are exploding and productivity applications are central to this growth. As the most widely distributed mobile office software, we are excited to partner with NVIDIA to take advantage of the enhanced capabilities inherent in the Tegra 3 quad-core chip to bring continued innovation in the marketplace." - David Halpin, VP of Engineering at Quickoffice
"Splashtop plus Tegra 3 offers users an unparalleled cross-device experience. Splashtop enables sharing content among smart phones, tablets, and TVs, and combined with Tegra 3's quad-core processing muscle, it can support 30 frames-per-second video with extremely low latency --perfect for games and multimedia!" - Mark Lee, CEO and Co-Founder of Splashtop
"WebGL is being rapidly adopted on HTML5-capable desktop, laptop and netbook systems, and now NVIDIA is helping to bring WebGL to Android. Tegra 3 delivers an incredible level of performance --the four cores provide the multi-threading horsepower needed to drive a complete browser stack including highly interactive 3D." - Ken Russell, Chair, WebGL Working Group
"Tegra already provides the fastest platform for silky smooth magazine reading on Android. The quad-core capabilities of Tegra 3 will help us further accelerate and enhance the complete browsing, downloading and reading experience." - Vandan Parikh, Director, Reading and Mobile Technologies at Zinio.
The reason why Windows 8 would be a good thing to have on a device like this is it should be able to do something Android likely never will: run Microsoft(tm) Office. MS has such an inroad that every other product has had to play catch up to them, and Android office suites have to play catch up to established alternatives.
If WOA isn't a lemon in a few years retrospect (maybe Windows NT 7+, Windows 8 = NT 6.2) there may be an eco-system of software that the x86 issue will be more with applications that no body is gonna care to maintain or port. I would worry more about how WOA will impact porting apps from POSIX and Linux environments and how support for WOA may impact porting applications to Windows 7 and below, POSIX, OS X, and Linux environments.
I would consider a Windows 8 transformer like product but prefer Android because of what the Linux underlayer offers me, towards getting real work done ON DEVICE. For regular consumers who are just gonna buy an iPad 4 anyway, Windows 8 on a TF501 would likely be awesomeness.
demandarin: stfu and show them the code.
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I wanted to know if there is performance difference between Windows 11 host and WSA client, so I have installed and run Geekbench 5 on both systems.
The benchmark results:
Windows 11
Single Core Score: 848
Multi Core Score: 2297
Details:
LENOVO 81LY - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a LENOVO 81LY with an AMD Ryzen 5 3500U processor.
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LENOVO 81LY - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a LENOVO 81LY with an AMD Ryzen 5 3500U processor.
browser.geekbench.com
WSA ( Android 11 )
Single Core Score: 677
Multi Core Score: 1487
Details:
Google Pixel 5 - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a Google Pixel 5 with an AMD Ryzen 5 3500U processor.
browser.geekbench.com
Resume:
Although the same hardware ( SoC ) is used when using the WSA a drastic performance loss can be observed: ~25% when running single-core CPU operations, ~35% when running multi-core CPU operations.
Info:
As of version three of GeekBench, the scores have been split into single and multi core categories. The Single Thread CPU benchmark, like all processor benchmarks attempts to estimate how quickly a processor is able to perform a wide variety of calculations. The test issues as series of complex instructions to the processor and times how long the processor takes to complete the tasks. The faster the processor is able to complete the tasks, the higher the benchmark score. The GeekBench Single Thread CPU test only runs one stream of instructions rather than multiple parallel streams per core. The majority of consumer applications (MS World, Internet Explorer, Google Chrome and most games), although multi threaded, rarely utilize more than one thread at a time, so this test, like any single threaded benchmark, can be seen as a reasonable real world test for typical consumer workloads.
Not useful for gaming!
Would've been interesting to add bluestacks to the mix too!
jwoegerbauer said:
I wanted to know if there is performance difference between Windows 11 host and WSA client, so I have installed and run Geekbench 5 on both systems.
The benchmark results:
Windows 11
Single Core Score: 848
Multi Core Score: 2297
Details:
LENOVO 81LY - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a LENOVO 81LY with an AMD Ryzen 5 3500U processor.
browser.geekbench.com
LENOVO 81LY - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a LENOVO 81LY with an AMD Ryzen 5 3500U processor.
browser.geekbench.com
WSA ( Android 11 )
Single Core Score: 677
Multi Core Score: 1487
Details:
Google Pixel 5 - Geekbench
Benchmark results for a Google Pixel 5 with an AMD Ryzen 5 3500U processor.
browser.geekbench.com
Resume:
Although the same hardware ( SoC ) is used when using the WSA a drastic performance loss can be observed: ~25% when running single-core CPU operations, ~35% when running multi-core CPU operations.
Info:
As of version three of GeekBench, the scores have been split into single and multi core categories. The Single Thread CPU benchmark, like all processor benchmarks attempts to estimate how quickly a processor is able to perform a wide variety of calculations. The test issues as series of complex instructions to the processor and times how long the processor takes to complete the tasks. The faster the processor is able to complete the tasks, the higher the benchmark score. The GeekBench Single Thread CPU test only runs one stream of instructions rather than multiple parallel streams per core. The majority of consumer applications (MS World, Internet Explorer, Google Chrome and most games), although multi threaded, rarely utilize more than one thread at a time, so this test, like any single threaded benchmark, can be seen as a reasonable real world test for typical consumer workloads.
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Not useful for gaming!
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Correct: Even PUBG Mobile Lite crashes when it is loading.