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Hello! Last Friday I noticed when I started to listen music with Sony's XBA-H3 using viper4android for fine tuning. When I tried to get a lot bass out with these headphones, music becomes very compressed. There was a lot less problems with galaxy s5 supplying enough power for these.
Who has bang and Olufsen, can they test out how much more headphone power they can get out of their phones? I mean If it isn't that much better than stock, then I prefer external battery powered DAC but another thing to carry :/.
Thanks!
saletan said:
Hello! Last Friday I noticed when I started to listen music with Sony's XBA-H3 using viper4android for fine tuning. When I tried to get a lot bass out with these headphones, music becomes very compressed. There was a lot less problems with galaxy s5 supplying enough power for these.
Who has bang and Olufsen, can they test out how much more headphone power they can get out of their phones? I mean If it isn't that much better than stock, then I prefer external battery powered DAC but another thing to carry :/.
Thanks!
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I agree with you. I've already got HTC ONE M7 and audio quality and specially amplified sound is much better than my new G5. I think this model simply just have it and that's reason why thy released audio module [emoji6]
zedyo said:
I agree with you. I've already got HTC ONE M7 and audio quality and specially amplified sound is much better than my new G5. I think this model simply just have it and that's reason why thy released audio module [emoji6]
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Yeah and it won't help that xba h3 is really, I mean really power hungry for earbuds.. :'D even my PC internal headphone amp has problem to power this properly and I think it's a better amp. And even my mixer has some problems (not anymore if I use viper4android + mixer) to power this and play loud with bass but 3.5 mm to 6.3 adapter is faulty or this is not compatible with it because this cable on my xba h3 has extra analog channels for the volume control and playback so it has to be very loosened up to work with both channels
Hello, I just acquired the LG G3 about a week and a half ago and I am wondering if any one here knows how to make the audio output and music better on the LG G3. I am currently using a fiio USB DAC amplifier with audio technica solid bass headphones and the audio still sucks. If anyone has gotten decent sound out of this device with a certain amplifier or so on I would like to know or maybe some tricks I don't know about. I can t get a good beat for the life of me. The midrange and the highs have no oomf at all. Iv never heard something so horrible not even on a Samsung device. Some help with this would be appreciated. I'm not knew to this only the LG device is knew to me. I'm an audio nut and this is not good. I'm regretting buying this device. But if somehow there is a way to get some decent audio from this device it would be nice. So I want to get feedback from other people who have owned this device. So any feed back would be nice.
OK guys here's an update. I figured out why the sound doesn't doesn't come out like it should. The device is outputting mono not stereo. So I looked around and the developers at lg put a mono speaker instead of stereo speaker which is odd for a flagship device. There might be an instance where it thinks the USB output is speaker output so therefore it outputs mono instead of stereo. I'm gonna run some more tests for this. So far I see incompetence for a flagship device. I never had any of these problems with my moto devices and their older devices.
Another update I got it to output stereo and it still sounds like garbage. My conclusion, LG makes devices that are not so good for listening to music with. This will be my first and last LG that I ever buy.
Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
The Bluetooth is digital; the DAC won't benefit you when using Bluetooth.
when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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when playing music through the bluetooth Galaxy s9 will be a much better choice. Even on the headphones with the dolby atmos activated is really very good.
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why will S9 be a MUCH BETTER choice?
what makes S9 so awesome on bluetooth?
Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Hey guys I was wondering if anyone in this V30 forum could help me out. I am looking to get a new device and my main interest is audio. I use my phone as my daily mp3 player in my car via Bluetooth. I cannot find any real answers anywhere I look. I am stuck between the new S9 and the V30. My main question is, does the DAC work via Bluetooth? I know the Dolby Atmos will but its not that customizable (only a few pre-set options). Can someone explain the V30's capabilities (tuning, adjusting, customizing via Bluetooth) and if you feel the S9 would be a better option for my situation? All the vids and write-ups I could find don't help at all. Thanks for any feed back, much appreciated.
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The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
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Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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dolby atmos is not even hardware... it's software and it has been ported to oreo.
at this moment you cannot match the v30's DAC's quality with any phone.
and music through bluetooth sound like s*** compared to how it sounds through a wire... (asuming you have a good source and, in some cases, you can physically hear the difference (i met people who were slighty deaf and they could not hear the differences))
you could try poweramp with it's effects and DVC.
Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Do not tell me stupid about some ports because they are hopeless. I had s9 plus and dolby atmos in s9 is not the same as in the ports for other devices. There is not the smallest comparison. Even on wired headphones with s9 sounds great, there is nothing missing from it. And do not say that the V30 is such a miracle in terms of music because it is not like that at all. It plays very well when the amplifier that fills up the sound is played, without it the s9 with the dolby listens more pleasantly.
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Skit, please don't drink-and-post. Put the keyboard down. Back away from the keyboard.
You're confusing two topics.
The LG V30 has far superior wired audio over any other mainstream cellphone. That's one of the calling cards. Nothing else is close. It's okay if you can't hear the difference; the S9 is better than anything you could buy a decade ago, and without really good cans (headphones), hardly anybody would notice. You won't notice with hyper-compressed 120Kbps mp3s, just as that "enhance photo" scene from the original Blade Runner was crap. But the V30 Quad-DAC really is the best... if your music was compressed with enough quality, your earphones are good enough and you're wired.
Not that kind of "wired" you are while writing your semi-coherent rants. The other kind.
Now to Bluetooth...
The LG V30 supports aptX bluetooth. So does the Samsung Galaxy S9. This is the top-end Bluetooth "codec", often coined "CD quality." Which really means, "better than FM radio, better than low-bitrate MP3, but not so great." Remember, CDs came out in 1982. Which was probably before you were born.
So what happens with the music? If you're listening via wired cans (the DAC), the Quad-DAC applies a lot of math (FFTs, smoothing, psycho acoustics) and tries to make the music as great as it can be. Roughly the equivalent of anti-aliasing an image. The S9 doesn't have all of that, so it will sound a smidge harsher, just a shade less accurate... but still better than anything a decade ago. And Bluetooth... on either one - the LG V30 and Samsung S9 have precisely exactly the same best-case aptX sound, because it's from your headphones, not the phone... will sound like something from three-and-a-half decades ago. Which was amazing at the time, and is good enough for an airplane, or low-cost earbuds, or if you're listing to hip-hop or rap, etc. But in those cases, why are you pontificating?
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Just to continue the point, Bluetooth audio still requires a DAC or Digital Analog Converter. However the DAC in use when using Bluetooth audio is in the head unit of your car stereo, not in your phone. When you play music via Bluetooth, your sending a digital signal to your "headphones" (in this case your car stereo), where it pulls the muscle of converting the digital signal into an analog waveform that can be played back by your speakers. This is why the same sound file sounds different when played back through your hi-fi system when compared to your car stereo. They use different DACs.
If I'm not mistaken (if I am please correct me), Dolby Atmos is software processing applied to the digital signal before it reaches the DAC, which is why it works over Bluetooth.
Im pretty sure people have made a big mistake in their recommendation to you. The LG V30 has the high quality bluetooth audio feature along with its Quad DAC. Not just wired audio will benefit from it. Its designed for Hi-Fi bluetooth too.
The V30 has Qualcomms new aptX HD Bluetooth Codec. Which Samsung does not. LG are still retaining their place at top of the Wireless leaderboard with this device.
Samsung obviously cannot have aptX if it does not have a Qualcomm processor or chipset.
Hindustani1990 said:
I have used both the devices and unless you are going to root LG v30 to get viper4android or Dolby Atmos s9 is the one to go
If you already have some high quality head phones then may be you can give v30 a try
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Please don't post this BS information.
If you are running V4A, your Quad Dac is not working.
The music will have a down sample and an up sample.
V4A is for devices without a Quad Dac.
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Just get the V30 if you are looking for audio.
I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
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Because V30 is not the best for me in this respect and in s9 dolby atmos also works by bluetooth and really gives a great effect.
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Surprised to hear Dolby Atmos on Bluetooth. It's has to do something with speakers.
Sheephunter9000 said:
I've used the v30 before i got my s9+, the audio quality that s9 delivers is nothing compared to what i get from my V30,I still go back to my v30 when I have to listen to my favourite beats. The v30 has a hardware advantage over the samsung. And both the phones have Bluetooth 5.0 support so you won't have any troubles playing audio via Bluetooth, but if you are looking for a superrior audio quality get a LG v30 with a good set of wired earphones/headphones. Sorry for any grammatical errors, English isn't my first language.
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Also, since you wrote that post a few months ago, we now have DTS 3D Surround sound on rooted V30, since LG put the DTS framework in the phones with recent updates. DTS is available on both wired AND wireless (Bluetooth) connections.
Why rooted? Because even though the libs are there, for some reason LG hasn't yet enabled it on unrooted stock firmware. But it's still a fantastic development, as long as you have most recent firmware. @JohnFawkes is enabling it on his TWRP-flashable zips, so you don't need to anything except flash Magkisk before rebooting (which you would do anyway). If you are not using one of his zips, then use the linked Guide above.
ChazzMatt said:
The Quad DAC is audio processor for wired components via the 3.5mm headset jack -- normally headphones but some have used auxiliary cable to connect to car stereo.
Has nothing to do with Bluetooth.
The quad DAC will give you the BEST audio possible. Period. But your headphones or car stereo must be physically connected to your V30.
Yes the V30 has also Bluetooth, just like every other Android phones for the past several years. But Bluetooth has nothing to do with headset jack.
No Bluetooth headset can match high quality wired headset with a quad DAC.
If you must use Bluetooth, then that's another question.
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DTS libs though lol, doubt s9 or really any phone has anything like that over bluetooth
Hi all,
I searched through a lot of forums and video reviews but couldn't see anyone doing a clear review of the quality of sound from the headphone jack.
I'm considering getting the F1 to replace my Axon 7 so wondering if the sound quality will be much worse?
If you can compare it with Axon 7 it would be great.
I knew about the GSMarena test of audio quality but that may not be the same in real life. Also it seems that the phone didn't utilise the Snapdragon 845 chip's audio capability which should be better than older phones.
Thanks
Anyone?
I don't know why people ask this question on every phone's page? IF there is no dedicated hardware used for audio it will should sound same as all SD SOCs. You can try all kinds of fancy software optimisations and equalizers it doesn't matter as long as the audio hardware is the same.
For answering your question in particular, IIRC Axon 7 has dedicated AKM 4490en for processing audio signal which is top notch. So NO Poco or any other phone with SD SOC audio is not even come close in audio quality for that matter. And since we are there take my advice and don't sell that phone(AXON 7). For it's audio capabilities you can take out the sim and can use it as a Android DAP for as long as it can serve you. A simple android DAP sells for quite a bit. I was myself very interested in this phone for audio but since it was not available in my country I went for LG V20 which I sold 2 weeks back.
I haven't had the pleasure to try the Axon 7 before, but I have used the HTC 10. The amp on this thing is weak,on my IEMs I had to crank it up to around 60-70% to get to my usual volume. Compared to a HTC U11 dongle (with DAC in it) that I have around, the dongle simply sounds better.
With all of that said, the fact that the headphone jack is there is still very much appreciated.
The headphone lacks depth and bass though it can improved through through Mi Sound Enhancer but still won't be somewhere near phones with built-in DAC.
We can hope for upcoming Dolby support soon.
I read a lot of threads back when the Poco F1 was released and a lot of people complained about low volume of audio output from headphone jack and low clarity.
It is very hard to compare audio quality if you dont have 2 devices side by side.
So I request people who have the Poco F1 and some other phone like the Redmi Note Pro, Moto, Nokia etc to compare the volume and audio clarity.
If you have MIUI device use the same audio settings.
Can anyone please do this?
Edit: Sorry for double post. Thread was not showing up so I replied here.
I have Axon 7 and POCO F1. I think that quality on Poco is great. When i used earphones with my axon 7 with low impedance (KZ ZS6 - 16 ohm) i heard hiss when i turned wifi on... On poco F1 i dont have any problemes and quality for source Tidal (HIFI),Spotify (Premium), Youtube Music is very good. (headphone - beyredynamic COP) . In next days i will have external dac SMSL IDEA. I will try compare sound quality between poco inernal dac and my new external dac.
+ Dolby is very very bad. On axon it was first thing that i turned off. Viper FX is best.
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I have Axon 7 and POCO F1. I think that quality on Poco is great. When i used earphones with my axon 7 with low impedance (KZ ZS6 - 16 ohm) i heard hiss when i turned wifi on... On poco F1 i dont have any problemes and quality for source Tidal (HIFI),Spotify (Premium), Youtube Music is very good. (headphone - beyredynamic COP) . In next days i will have external dac SMSL IDEA. I will try compare sound quality between poco inernal dac and my new external dac.
+ Dolby is very very bad. On axon it was first thing that i turned off. Viper FX is best.
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What about the volume? Is it high enough?
Martinxyzko said:
I have Axon 7 and POCO F1. I think that quality on Poco is great. When i used earphones with my axon 7 with low impedance (KZ ZS6 - 16 ohm) i heard hiss when i turned wifi on... On poco F1 i dont have any problemes and quality for source Tidal (HIFI),Spotify (Premium), Youtube Music is very good. (headphone - beyredynamic COP) . In next days i will have external dac SMSL IDEA. I will try compare sound quality between poco inernal dac and my new external dac.
+ Dolby is very very bad. On axon it was first thing that i turned off. Viper FX is best.
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Duude, we have the same IEM, KZ ZS6. Poco does create a static noise in a specific situation (can only be heard when nothing is playing):
1. Enable tap to wake.
2. Don't play any audio with Poco.
3. Connect your IEM.
4. Lock the phone or just manually turn-off the display.
5. Rest your whole hand on the LCD, you'll hear a static noise and mine was prominent on the left channel. I noticed that the static noise is stronger when the LCD is turned-off.
How did I find it?
Since fingerprint cannot be disabled, I always place my Poco in my pocket with the LCD facing my leg and I always hear static noise every sone transition.
I disabled double tap to wake due to this.
Weird interaction. lol.
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What about the volume? Is it high enough?
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Yes, on my Beyerdynamic COP I need set volume to 40-50% for comfortable listening (Spotify). I think with all IEMs or over ear headphone to 64 ohm you will not have problem.
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Duude, we have the same IEM, KZ Zs6.
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Funny. On poco I don't have problem with kz zs6, but on axon 7 it was really bad when I heard static noise from WiFi... I think that Kz zs6 are very sensitive headphones
Hi, I bought the nord 2 a few days ago, it's a wonderful phone but I have a problem.
The bluetooth audio quality is horrible. I don't know if it's only on my device , i have tried everything, the stock Dirac hd sound does not support bluetooth devices so the sound is flat. Also it seems like it's playing music on low bit rate. I have switched from aac to sbc there's a slight difference but still it sucks. Also changing some settings in developer settings did nothing.
I have Huawei Freebuds 4I and on every other device the sound is amazing but on the nord it's awful.
Currently I'm using wavelet eq but still the music is playing at a low bit rate. I don't wanna root my phone for viper4android so is there any other solution to this?
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Hi, I bought the nord 2 a few days ago, it's a wonderful phone but I have a problem.
The bluetooth audio quality is horrible. I don't know if it's only on my device , i have tried everything, the stock Dirac hd sound does not support bluetooth devices so the sound is flat. Also it seems like it's playing music on low bit rate. I have switched from aac to sbc there's a slight difference but still it sucks. Also changing some settings in developer settings did nothing.
I have Huawei Freebuds 4I and on every other device the sound is amazing but on the nord it's awful.
Currently I'm using wavelet eq but still the music is playing at a low bit rate. I don't wanna root my phone for viper4android so is there any other solution to this?
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One plus Nord 2 is a budget phone yet not cheaper than other budget phones, yet they give a low-quality device like this. Try listening in a different Bluetooth headset.
No issue here, I have samsung galaxy buds+ TWS (aac mode) and a Marshall Mid (aptx mode) and bluetooth quality is perfect in both cases.
And for the lack of Dirac support in bluetooth mode I use the app "Poweramp Equalizer" to get some more bass in my headset
For music you can try jethdaudio player. It is extremely good.
I don't know what you are talking about I am using Realme Buds Wireless 2 on my Nord 2 and it sounds amazing and I mean it since I am picky about the audio quality with negligible delay like mine cost about 1/3rd of yours so it's probably a compability issue LDAC and AAC both work great on nord 2 ofc LDAC sounds better at the cost of more battery usage....
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I don't know what you are talking about I am using Realme Buds Wireless 2 on my Nord 2 and it sounds amazing and I mean it since I am picky about the audio quality with negligible delay like mine cost about 1/3rd of yours so it's probably a compability issue LDAC and AAC both work great on nord 2 ofc LDAC sounds better at the cost of more battery usage....
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So far i still haven't found a solution, tried a different pair of earbuds (qcy) and the problem still remains.
majloft said:
So far i still haven't found a solution, tried a different pair of earbuds (qcy) and the problem still remains.
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Maybe a faulty piece really should just visit a service centre with all those headsets and see if it can be fixed if possible test out some more headsets by asking from your friends. Also check the settings of the music app you are using it's unlikely but still possible that it's set on low
Can't get it replaced.. Cracked the screen 5 minutes after I took the phone out of the box
Most folks dont know this, but bluetooth is a modern NAME for 'A' software version of hardware based tech capable of transmitting 240v AC through the air.
Tunguska anyone? That was the test, and the origional copywright is owned by TESLA.
Bluetooth, was designed to do the same, it's designed for AC current, explaining why bluetooth digital audio is the WORST sound ever invented.
Blutooth sounds so crap due to the following:
1: The inventors of digital audio decided to remove EVERY frequency the human ear cant hear. (according to who?)
2: They are now removing the lower base frequencies that we COULD hear, if we had say speaker's like my set of BW speaker's used by the BBC in the 60's and 70's, which can produce EVERY frequency. To make these speakers today is £14.000 PER speaker.
3: By removing all lower frequencies, they removed what is known in music, as the BODY of sound. They started this with digital techno, aka goa trance. I stopped buying musical digital instruments just because of this. If you take a 90's version of say 'Rising High's Church of Extacy' ( The tune that officially killed rock and roll due to it's pure analogue sound quality, hardness, and the deepest bass ) then play it through bluetooth, all you hear is tsstsstsstss, because the tweaters you think are great sounding speakers literally cant play anything under the highhat, without ECHO to fake the BASS.
If it's audio QUALITY you want, DROP bluetooth. Simple.
Another note:
As a dj of over 40 years in the undergound dance music scene, the one thing I cant understand is why I now have no CHOICE but to buy headphones for djing with a bluetooth mic built in! This allows whoever is spying on what we SAY to record my tune or live mix before I leave the gig, and claim it as their own. Try buying decent ANALOGUE headfones for djing.
Final note.
Nfc: the modern day verion of blutooth. Interfere's with bluetooth audio in that the AC current also has it's own magnetic field, which can, like binaural beats, interfere with bluetooth. Most fones use bluetooth AND Nfc. nae luck.
I personnaly know the best hacker in Scotland. 12 letters after his name in computer sciences...! He wrote the bluetooth app the gov called tap n trace, and he sold it to them for £30.000, they added Nfc (Near field Communication) and got most people in the world to install it in their fone. NIce one Gi88's!
Bluetooth... did you bite?
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So far i still haven't found a solution, tried a different pair of earbuds (qcy) and the problem still remains.
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I am using my Sony WH-1000XM3 and it supports LDAC. The audio quality is great with support for equaliser. The only way to get LDAC was change the mode from connection stability to sound quality mode in sony headphone app. By default, it supports SBC. Pls check your headphone's app and also check if your headphone supports relevant codec.hope this helps.
I had a similar issue with my Nord 2 and my Libratone Too BT speaker, sound was horrible, like an old cassette player. The speaker only supports the SBC codec, I think.
I was able to fix the sound quality by enabling developer options and switching to AVRCP 1.6 and MAP 1.4 there.
Update A.16 fixes Bluetooth audio.
the problem is just with the freebuds 4i, but I don't understand why..
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Update A.16 fixes Bluetooth audio.
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