So yesterday I bought the tab 7+ and super excited, untill I met a friend who told me the iPad pro is much better! He showed me a bench mark video where iPad beats the tab on every aspect.
So my question, shall I open the tab7+ or return it for iPad? And why?
What's more relevant is how the benchmarks translate into real world performance for normal tasks. There are also other factors to consider. I own an iPad Pro and I hate not having expandable storage. The iPad Pro is also more expensive and requires spending another $100+ on a pencil. S7+ has a better screen. iPad Pro doesn't have Dex OS features, etc.
Why would anyone switch a fully customizable tablet with something that's locked has less ram and has a worse screen Is the question. Benchmarks are meaningless when important factors come into place also they don't translate much in the real world.
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What's more relevant is how the benchmarks translate into real world performance for normal tasks. There are also other factors to consider. I own an iPad Pro and I hate not having expandable storage. The iPad Pro is also more expensive and requires spending another $100+ on a pencil. S7+ has a better screen. iPad Pro doesn't have Dex OS features, etc.
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My other issue is that the apps on iPad are more compatible than on Android tablets in general. Bench mark is usually what makes a device more reliable in the future or as I understood from my friend. Which means in a year time the tablet still perform as new where the tablet gets laggy over time. Please correct me if I am wring
mhnasr said:
My other issue is that the apps on iPad are more compatible than on Android tablets in general. Bench mark is usually what makes a device more reliable in the future or as I understood from my friend. Which means in a year time the tablet still perform as new where the tablet gets laggy over time. Please correct me if I am wring
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You're wrong. Samsung devices lag over time has been a thing of the past for awhile now. YouTube has many videos comparing the two.
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My other issue is that the apps on iPad are more compatible than on Android tablets in general. Bench mark is usually what makes a device more reliable in the future or as I understood from my friend. Which means in a year time the tablet still perform as new where the tablet gets laggy over time. Please correct me if I am wring
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I have more apps on my Tab S7 than i do on my ipad pro even the apps that dont support tablets i can optimize them to work how i want them to. You can't do that on an Ipad.
My tablet has been running for a month now never lagged once.
Ok then that's solve it.. I will open my box and if experienced any lag I will hunt you down :silly:
No seriously, thank you
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Ok then that's solve it.. I will open my box and if experienced any lag I will hunt you down :silly:
No seriously, thank you
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bro it has a 865+ you dont need to worry about performance for at least 2 years.
i have ipad 6th gen and ipad air2 and in my opinion ipad os is too annoying because i hate when i dont have proper access to the file system. secondly expandable storage need i say more? lastly i just hate apple products , i have ipads macbook and iphone i am in the eco system but whenever i want to do any sort of file sharing with windows or android devices which i also have then it gets sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo annoying makes me wanna burn apple products down .
long story short dont worry about your tablet . you'll enjoy it
In short, I'd say Samsung/Android gives you choices, Apple doesn't. Some people hate to have choices, some can't do without. You decide what is important for you.
I like to have choices, and I am very happy with the Tab S7+.
mhnasr said:
So yesterday I bought the tab 7+ and super excited, untill I met a friend who told me the iPad pro is much better! He showed me a bench mark video where iPad beats the tab on every aspect.
So my question, shall I open the tab7+ or return it for iPad? And why?
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IPhones and iPads always do much better than Android devices in benchmarks but in real world use the Android counterparts perform faster in speed tests. Comparing my Tab S7+ to the iPad, it's actually faster and just as smooth as the iPad pro. It also has numerous Advantages over the IPad pro.
- Has Micro SD card support
- Comes with a stylus right out of the box
- Unlike the Apple pencil the S Pen doesn't not need to be charged to work (only needs a charge for Bluetooth/gesture functions)
- Tab S 7+ is more functional right out of the box
- Screen looks better than IPad
I could go on.
I got the S7+ last Saturday and I'm very happy. In my country, Samsung's having promotion which give away the keyboard cover. So I just need to buy SD card and hub to make it a perfect laptop.
I've just used S7+ for some minor gaming, emulator + Word + Excel + PPT + Ecosia...
Believe in me, the S7+ will not make you feel you'in in jail like iPad Pro
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Why would anyone switch a fully customizable tablet with something that's locked has less ram and has a worse screen Is the question. Benchmarks are meaningless when important factors come into place also they don't translate much in the real world.
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My Tab S7+ had 6 GB ram, the iPad Pro has 6 GB ram.
Also people choose Apple over Android mostly because of the eco system. If you already have an iPhone and/or Mac it makes more sense to go with an iPad as everything fits better between devices.
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bro it has a 865+ you dont need to worry about performance for at least 2 years.
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The 865+ can't even play League of Legends: Wild Rift on ultra with a locked 60 fps, I had framedrops down to 50-52 in fights. My three and a half year old iPad Pro 2017 (A10X chip) never drops one frame. Same for Call of Duty Mobile, Pubg Mobile and other games. Yes the 865+ is nice, but at least in gaming performance it's worse than the A10X, leave alone the A12X / A12Z (iPad Pro 2018/2020) .
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In short, I'd say Samsung/Android gives you choices, Apple doesn't. Some people hate to have choices, some can't do without. You decide what is important for you.
I like to have choices, and I am very happy with the Tab S7+.
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Yes, having choices is aweseome. I actually wanted to change from my 2017 iPad Pro to the Tab S7(+) because the screen aspect ratio is wider (16:10) and with apps I can change it to 16:9 and output that via hdmi. Unfortunately both the S7 and the S7+ can not output hdmi without disconnecting every few minutes (the developers know about it but who knows when it is fixed... weeks, months?).
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IPhones and iPads always do much better than Android devices in benchmarks but in real world use the Android counterparts perform faster in speed tests. Comparing my Tab S7+ to the iPad, it's actually faster and just as smooth as the iPad pro.
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I had the Tab S7, Tab S7+, iPad Pro 2020 and iPad Pro 2017 here. The S7's are on par with the 2017 iPad Pro, a bit faster in quite some apps, slower in most demanding games. The S7's stand no chance in performance heavy tasks against the 2020 iPad Pro. App/game load times, heavy duty video rendering the S7's get demolished.
I understand 90%+ of all people using their tablet will not need that extra performance or even notice they are missing it (you only really notice when you compare the devices side by side)
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So yesterday I bought the tab 7+ and super excited, untill I met a friend who told me the iPad pro is much better! He showed me a bench mark video where iPad beats the tab on every aspect.
So my question, shall I open the tab7+ or return it for iPad? And why?
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Even tho I kind of "rambled" about how the iPad Pro in fact IS faster (not "better") it all depends what YOU want to do with it.
- Do you watch a lot of movies/series on your tablet? Any "dark" content will look better due to the OLED display on the S7+ (for example the series Daredevil or Punisher... sooo many night scenes). Also the 16:10 screen aspect ratio is nicer for watching video in my opinion
- Do you game a lot? If yes, HEAVY games? Do you care about having ultra quality? Then the iPad Pro is MUCH more capable and will be enough for at least 1-2 more years to come. If you don't play the heaviest games or don't need ultra quality in every game then the Tab S7+ will do just fine!
- Do you want to expand storage with a SD card? -> Ipads can't do that
- Do you surf the web a lot? The iPad Pro's screen aspect ratio feels a lot better for me doing that.
- Do you hold your tablet a lot in your hand for long periods of time? If yes, the S7+ is ~70 grams lighter compared to the 12.9" iPad Pro. This doesn't sound like too much but you will notice it quite a bit after some time
I have iPad air 3 (2019) previusly an iPad air1. Along 5 Years only with iPad and a Lot of Android phones.
Always i say: the best tablet Is an iPad with ipadOS, but now i bought a tab S7,
With only 24hours of use i say:
- multimedia, this Samsung S7 rocks, 16:10, 4 speakers Is really clear.
- multitasking: Snapdragon and 6gb ram runs everything, multitask with 4 apps in the same time Is really great, dex option mindblow my mind.
- the fast charge 2.0 with 45w Is mindblow!!.
- Google services, Chromecast
- APKs (jejeje)
- i connect a sdcard reader direct to the USB C Port.
- i put +256gb with a microsd card for 25usd (cybermonday)
But, not everything Is ok:.
- games, graphics sucks, the resolution of cod and pubg sucks!.
- multigestures, in iPad in have a Lot of usefull gestures, with 4 fingers i can change apps, minimize, Run the last apps running, etc.
- iPadOs Is the best Tablet OS, i can Run a side (Edge) app in Mobile version.
- i can control volumen from the taskbar without the fisical buttons.
Galaxy TAB S7+ has one of the worst screen you can put in a tablet because it has PWM and burned highlights, I have the S7 and is miles away better screen than S7+, for gaming the iPad I think is much better than the Android ones, for the rest I prefer Android and the S7 that is excelent for the use I do and doesn't hurt my eyes like my phone with the crappy oled screen with PWM.
On my tab smart view doesn't work it will not cast to my TV my phone connects first go but not this tablet and no one seems to know why.
mhnasr said:
So yesterday I bought the tab 7+ and super excited, untill I met a friend who told me the iPad pro is much better! He showed me a bench mark video where iPad beats the tab on every aspect.
So my question, shall I open the tab7+ or return it for iPad? And why?
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I swapped an iPad Pro 12.2 for this Samsung, and I'm sorry I did. Had I known in advance that there was no earphone plug on the Samsung, I'd not have made the swap at all. So my answer is: return it.
valkaizer2594 said:
bro it has a 865+ you dont need to worry about performance for at least 2 years.
i have ipad 6th gen and ipad air2 and in my opinion ipad os is too annoying because i hate when i dont have proper access to the file system. secondly expandable storage need i say more? lastly i just hate apple products , i have ipads macbook and iphone i am in the eco system but whenever i want to do any sort of file sharing with windows or android devices which i also have then it gets sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo annoying makes me wanna burn apple products down .
long story short dont worry about your tablet . you'll enjoy it
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I have often wondered exactly how to describe the MAIN is with an iPad (my iPad Pro is a wonderful device and the Magic keyboard makes it even better BUT) proper access to the file system literally annoys me almost EVERY time I use it. Saving photos or files from another device or camera, files from an email, a PDF it just annoys the CRAP out of me. And the point is nailed home EVERY time I ask my 29yo iOS fanboy ..... “if you had this situation, how would you do it (like saving a file)” ..... watching him fumble convinced me that although overall the iPad is ready to use the proper access to the file system is an almost deal killer
If you never use a PC and only use Mac then staying in the same ecosystem with the iPad might be enough to learn the other way but if you still use a PC then the iPad will be a good device but for me always leaving me wanting
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Hey Fellas,
I'm currently an iPad 2 user. I have a Galaxy S phone (which I love) and won't give it up for an iPhone. I was considering buying a Tab... but I didn't have much of a choice when the iPad 2 came out.
Today I ran into a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (it was AMAZING) and I'm thinking about returning my iPad 2.
Would anyone recommend this?
I love the Android OS. I chose the iOS because of the amount of useful school/work apps it has. [IT field].
Another question is... does anyone here own both [or tried both the iPad 2 AND the G Tab]? I have to say that the iPad 2 keyboard was much smoother than the Galaxy Tab.
I tried it quick.. I didn't have much time to play with it. I thought the keyboard wasn't as fast.
How about school/IT apps?
Thanks in advance!
My mom have the iPad 2 and I love Honeycomb but when compared to iOS its missing a whole lot, especially on apps.
Honeycomb is a new OS for tablets and I see it growing in the future and apps are slowly being ported and optimized for Honeycomb tablets. iOS has been in the market for a while and honeycomb has got some catching up to do.
Buy a tablet for what it is now instead of expecting something out of it and just getting frustrated waiting for an app. I bout a zune HD thinking it will go toe to toe with the iPod touch but was just disappointed and ended up selling it and buying the iPod touch.
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Other than the infamous lag when typing in forums, keyboard speed is fine in every application I've used so far. For some the forum thing is a big deal, and I've worked around it for now by using a remote desktop app if I really feel the need to post an essay using the tab, but obviously that isn't ideal.
As for the keyboard itself, there are plenty to choose from. Swiftkey, Thumb Keyboard and Swype are all excellent alternatives if you don't like the stock HC keyboard or the Samsung one.
The tab comes with Quick Office pre-installed and that will do the job if you want to take notes and read documents. There are about a half dozen office suites and each have their pro's and con's, if you want to learn more about them there is a good comparison thread over at the Asus Transformer forums. They all have a ways to go though before they're suitable for real work with documents however.
For IT, I imagine apps like LogMeIn, Wyse Pocket Cloud, Overlook Fing, andSMB, SharesFinder, ASProxy, Connect Bot, etc would be useful.
to give you an honest answer stick with the Ipad. Everyone on here will try to give you a reach around about why the TAB is so great. But quite frankly in its current state its not. I'm typing this on my tab right now and am getting pissed that my words are showing up well after I press the keys. There are NO USEFULL ANDROID TABLET APPS available at this time. You want proof. Go to the marketplace and see if you van even tell the difference between what is a table app and what isn't. Some tablet apps even have disclaimers stating they aren't even compatible with the GT yet. I purchased my tab because I'm believing in the Modding community will one day provide me with the goodies I crave for use on what is a very (hardware) capable device. But if you want somethingthat just works right now... get an IPAD.
I am still so much on the fence about the GT 10.1 I have a hard time even trying to formulate a reply to this. As I think I go back and forth every 5 minutes.
GT 10.1
+ Android is open, open file system, third party app stores/markets.
+ Wide screen display, higher resolution, and stereo speakers great for videos.
+ Highly customizable with widgets.
+ XDA community usually does great job with custom ROMs.
+ Google apps and Amazon CloudDrive and App Store are great.
- Android 3 is a rush job, screen response not great (not bad either), keyboard lag.
- App crashes and random reboots rare, but happen more than they should.
- Tablet app select still small, and Android app versions sometimes inferior to iOS.
- Uncertainty when Samsung might push the Android 4.0 update, they've been ver slow in the past.
- No Netflix
iPad 2 (I own an iPad 1, so this is mostly about iOS)
+ Over a year head start in tablets, lots of quality apps.
+ iOS versions of some apps are better, Tweetdeck, Tune In Radio, Taptu, etc.
+ Netflix, Hulu Plus (don't care for Hulu, but really miss Netflix on my GT 10.1)
+ iOS very responsive and smooth.
+ Square screen ratio nice for browsing, ebooks.
+ Apple makes software and hardware, so dependable updates.
- No file system access, must use iTunes (usually) to transfer files.
- Google, YouTube apps sucks on iOS.
- No third party application markets (no good Jailbreak for iPad 2, so no Cydia).
- Lower res display, 512MB of RAM.
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Hey Fellas,
I'm currently an iPad 2 user. I have a Galaxy S phone (which I love) and won't give it up for an iPhone. I was considering buying a Tab... but I didn't have much of a choice when the iPad 2 came out.
Today I ran into a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (it was AMAZING) and I'm thinking about returning my iPad 2.
Would anyone recommend this?
I love the Android OS. I chose the iOS because of the amount of useful school/work apps it has. [IT field].
Another question is... does anyone here own both [or tried both the iPad 2 AND the G Tab]? I have to say that the iPad 2 keyboard was much smoother than the Galaxy Tab.
I tried it quick.. I didn't have much time to play with it. I thought the keyboard wasn't as fast.
How about school/IT apps?
Thanks in advance!
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Hello!
My friend owns the iPad/iPad 2 and I use them regularly when I'm at his house as he has multiple. I own a Galaxy Tab 7" and 10.1 myself. Here's my personal opinion:
The iPad had a significant build quality difference between it and the 7" Tab. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 corrects this, but it's still very difficult to beat a uniform metal structure versus a plastic one. This will boil down to whether you prefer a higher build quality, or a lighter device. The 10.1 is way lighter, the iPad 2's build quality is better.
As far as applications go... iOS tablet-centric apps blows Android out of the water. There is no denying this. You can still get any application you need on both platforms, but the higher resolution ones on the iPad are way more numerous. Here's to hoping this changes soon for Honeycomb.
As far as operating systems go... Honeycomb is ages beyond iOS in terms of a more desktop-like feel on a Tablet and less of a phone-like feel. iOS 5 does little to correct this. You will find the OS itself much more pleasant on a Honeycomb tablet.
Hardware: The processor in the iPad 2 is fast. The processor in the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is fast. I don't see any speed differences between the two, except for the browser. The lead Google put in Android 2.2 shows heavily with the UI optimized for Tablets. Also, the Tegra 2 processor is the first processor I can say having Flash is a definitive advantage. I can stream HD videos from Flash sources on the web (ABC, Crunchyroll, etc) with very little to no stuttering. Props to NVidia here. I could probably do a video for you, if you were interested.
The back camera on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is far superior, though I don't think you'll be using it very often when cameras on phones are smaller and easier to use. Just my opinion.
Last but not least: I really dislike the iPad (iOS 4) and Google's default keyboard on Tablets. They are extremely hard to use while handling the device. I use Swiftkey Tablet X on my 7" and 10.1" Tab and LOVE it. If you keep your iPad 2 I really suggest you get iOS 5 on it to take advantage of the split keyboard effect. It makes typing far easier. If you do go back and get a Google-based Tab, drop their crappy keyboard and get Swiftkey X. It's in beta - I can send you the apk if you do end up going that route. Just PM me.
[Edit] Quick edit after reading Ravynmagi's post - not having Netflix is a HUGE HUGE bummer. There's no word on it coming to Honeycomb either, so don't hold your breath[/Edit]
I've had both. the iTampon 2 is riddled with screen problems. I wouldn't pay 500 bucks for it. It does have more apps... but let's be honest..... how many apps do you really need?
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I've had both. the iTampon 2 is riddled with screen problems. I wouldn't pay 500 bucks for it. It does have more apps... but let's be honest..... how many apps do you really need?
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That was the earlier batches though. I'm of the impression that has been resolved, hasn't it?
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That was the earlier batches though. I'm of the impression that has been resolved, hasn't it?
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Check the support forums at the Apple site. Sure hasn't.
I don't like Ipads. It feels like you are stuck into the app drawer forever.
Sure, there are tons of apps for tablets but everything else is below 10.1 standards.
It starts with the homescreen, over to multitasking abilities and ends in hardware.
And a 4:3 screen is a no go. Every media is made for 16:9 or 16:10, have fun watching movies on that. Ipad2 feels like an ancient TV.
And web without flash? Seriously? That also means no browser games which all are high resolution and made for PC !
Ipads are just for the fancy glamour aspect. The apps look better, for example ebook readers are nicer animated. But I am a purist, I don't want animations around my text, I want a nice and huge display. Why buy 10.1 if half of your screen is used up by showing virutal pages?
The fact that Honeycomb doesn't have many good apps and Tegra 2 seems pretty poor overall (poor video/codec playing, maybe be an OS issue though) I would get an iPad. It will just be a smoother/better experience.
When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
I was debating between these 2 devices and in the end I chose the IPAD2. I really wanted to go with Android, but right now its just not ready for "primetime" just yet. I may revisit this when ICS comes out and the Android Tablets and Apps have become more mature. Much like when Android came out, you are goign to ahve to do a lot fo work to get it to do what you want to do. I think the GTAB has great potential, its the OS that holds it back. App conversion\creation has been very slow so far, which is another drawback.
As others have said though, take account of what you want to do with the tablet and what apps you will use. Then go through both tablets and see what will suit your needs. You cant go wrong with either as both have their negative and positive attributes. Whichever is going to fit your needs the best is the one to get, everyone has different needs and wants, so everyone will have a differing opinion.
I can say though that I have not been disappointed with my decision. I still come here and lurk to see what the current state of the GTAB is though as it still sparks my interest and I want it to succeed.
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When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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My experience is quality has usually been lower on the Android side. Either the Android version has fewer features or is less stable or not even compatible with your device. Fragmentation is a real ***** on Android right now and quality is suffering because of it.
I really don't see an argument for Android having an advantage on the app side. That's going to be the iPad's strong point for quite some time.
But I do agree, plenty of people can find good quality apps that suit their needs and be completely happy.
honeycomb really suck balls! i have to have 3 different browsers installed to do what a normal browser does
firefox to download stuff (if u disagree, try using some other browser to download from filesonic/hotfiles)
skyfire to view flash sites
and the ever temperamental stock browser
why am i able to do the above with any browser froyo/gingerbread but not honeycomb?
typing in username/password is a nightmare, tap a key --> wait for the character to appear --> type the next key.. honestly if u want to try out android, get yourself an android phone, avoid honeycomb tablets for the time being
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When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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ipad has a lot of useful and quality apps compared to the less than a hundred apps that honeycomb offer.
I'm not talking about games because the tablet optimized games that honeycomb/tegra have are awesome but when it comes to apps for specific tasks they have very limited selection and not a lot of them are comparable to the ipad app counterpart.
I'm talking about finance apps like iReconcile for iPad and portfolio apps for photographers.
I have not seen one portfolio app for honeycomb and ipad have a color calibration app made by datacolor called SpyderGallery but non existent on the honeycomb.
I'm just saying that honeycomb might be good for someone that want to do basic stuff on their tablet but if you want a task specific app, the ipad has them and honeycomb desn't have them but doesn't mean they're not going to have them in the future.
I think that we're going to see a lot of apps ported to honeycomb by the end of the year.
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I've played with the ipad & currently own a GT 10.1. For me (& I think Rayvnmagi summed it all up nicely), the two greatest advantages of Honeycomb are media (ability to play Flash & higher resolution video) and the mod-ability (I just bought an Epic 4G -- $30 on Amazon! -- and I haven't stopped playing with ROMs since; something I could never do with my iphone 3GS).
Yes, the apps are decidedly not there. Yes, the keyboard lag is awful when typing in forums, etc. I'm willing to put up with that for now because I know two things: 1) the fellas here at xda are awesome & will most likely come out with a fix in the near future & 2) Google handed out GT 10.1 developer editions to everyone at its developer conference. That can only be a good thing in terms of app development for the GT 10.1.
All that being said, I actually recommended my dad (NOT a techie) get an ipad 2. He's not as tech-savvy, and he's of the mindset that things should just work. The ipad has established itself as a very stable platform that works (usually) without a hitch & I have a feeling if he'd gotten a GT 10.1, he would have had several headaches & never used it.
So, I feel like in the end, it really depends on your usage preference--do you want an established tech with a little bit lower specs or do you want the newer tech with more bugs but better specs?
My problem with the tab right now has nothing to do with apps etc etc. That stuff will eventually come, just a little time.
My problem is with lag, video playback issues, and the fact that samsung does not like to update their products to push you to buy new ones. Even if google fixes all the issues currently with the tablets, there is no guarantee samsung will give us that update.
Samsung's flagship phone (galaxy s) has yet to get the ota froyo update. If you send your phone back in for a warranty repair, yes you will receive a refurbed one with froyo or you can get it through kies if you are aware of it's existence. Yet the new $70 samsung exhibit is just a replay of the vibrant but with gingerbread!
I don't know about the other manufacturers, but I don't expect the tab to improve much more than it has now. There will most likely be a new tablet from samsung in the fall to winter season sporting icecream sandwich...if that happens, forget updates!
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When people say that the IPad has more apps, I kind of laugh at this.....
Its the quality of the apps, not the number of them. If Android has the apps that I want and are of good quality, than I am happy.
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I laugh at this comment because androids tablets apps are lacking in BOTH QUALITY and QUANTITY. Seriously dude you set ursrlf up for that.
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The problem with the iPad is that once you buy into the Apple infrastructure if you buy a decent quality of apps you're locked into them forever unless you want to start over again. Personally I love the flexibility of Android and will never go back to having an iPhone (which I used to have).
When Exchange didn't work with my corporate server with my iPhone I was out of luck. With my Droid X I had the same problem but was able to download Touchdown which works fine. To me, that flexibility makes it more worthwhile to stay with Android and lose out on the over abundance of "fart apps" in the Apple app store.
Hi,
I'm thinking to buy a new tablet pc for my school. I'll convert my books into pdf files and will continue lessons with tablet pc.
I need:
- Performance(performance means for me, what is smooth on home screen animations and switching between applications)
- Pen, which is has a thin pointer & body and useful for every app any second
- Screen size
And I searched the market for that options, result is : Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or HTC Flyer.
Now, I need to know truths about Samsung Galaxy 10.1. Let me know them please..
Firstly when I was searching on the market, I tested the SG 10.1 and saw the:
- Animations are not smooth, I think 1Ghz processor is not enough
- Boot time is so bad, about 25-30 seconds(HTC Flyer is ready in 3 seconds)
What about your lookouts? Battery time on usage and more important question: battery life? I mean is battery time is always same on same usage or its decreasing? (if you use)pen performance, is that a good device to school?
Thanks a lot for your answers.
yeah the Tab is not performing as expected, too many slow down and bugs, i am quite dissatisfied with mine. It has the best screen out of all the tablets, but that was it, get an Ipad 2 man, your needs is simple enough for a simple device. My two cents.
every android honeycomb tab will perform the same. all have the same processor etc. stock launcher is laggy.Download and install ADW EX, super slick, super smooth, no lag.
As for stylus the Adonit pro stylus is what you will need, costs $30. Gtab 10.1 will be perfect. just switched to it from the eee pad transformer and love it
Battery life is awesome. I am a heavy user and i get about 8 hours. As for overall processor performance ICe Cream Sandwich will be optimized for multiple core processors. When ICS comes out in a few weeks, Tegra 2 powered devices will rip everything else to shreds. that being said performance is great right now.
IPAD 2 IS NOT THE ANSWER! Sheesh! If half the users of Android tabs would just do a little research they would understand that they kick the iPads ass when it comes to functionality.
Also stay away from the HTC Flyer. Number one it runs gingerbread and not the tablet optimized Honeycomb software. It is about to be discontinued, and recently took a nose dive in price to $299, the stylus that you need for it (the official HTC one) costs $80. craziness!! It also only has a single core processor(galaxy tab has dual core) and a 7" screen compared to the 10.1 inch on the galaxy tab
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cannot resist .
PS: it's a good tab if you willing to tinker a bit and do lot's of reading/learning.
every android honeycomb tab will perform the same. all have the same processor etc. stock launcher is laggy.Download and install ADW EX, super slick, super smooth, no lag.
As for stylus the Adonit pro stylus is what you will need, costs $30. Gtab 10.1 will be perfect. just switched to it from the eee pad transformer and love it
Battery life is awesome. I am a heavy user and i get about 8 hours. As for overall processor performance ICe Cream Sandwich will be optimized for multiple core processors. When ICS comes out in a few weeks, Tegra 2 powered devices will rip everything else to shreds. that being said performance is great right now.
IPAD 2 IS NOT THE ANSWER! Sheesh! If half the users of Android tabs would just do a little research they would understand that they kick the iPads ass when it comes to functionality.
Also stay away from the HTC Flyer. Number one it runs gingerbread and not the tablet optimized Honeycomb software. It is about to be discontinued, and recently took a nose dive in price to $299, the stylus that you need for it (the official HTC one) costs $80. craziness!! It also only has a single core processor(galaxy tab has dual core) and a 7" screen compared to the 10.1 inch on the galaxy tab
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How does it kill the ipad2? I just got the tab. I am a graduate student, so money is not loose for me. I need performance and functionality that will last... and I mean last. Not be outdated and useless in a few months like many android devices suffer.
I am debating if the ipad2 might be a better investment. What do you think?
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How does it kill the ipad2? I just got the tab. I am a graduate student, so money is not loose for me. I need performance and functionality that will last... and I mean last. Not be outdated and useless in a few months like many android devices suffer.
I am debating if the ipad2 might be a better investment. What do you think?
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Come on dude. Think before you post. Will the ipad 2 be "useless" when ipad 3 comes out? Every gadget that is made is updated to a newer model every year. But, they all still perform. And work. Only techies and wealthy people update their device every year.
As for OP- go to store and try out different tablets and see if they do what you want them to do. You will never know untill you play around with them. Although, if you searched just a couple of threds here, there seems to be a number of tab owners who do not like the stylus input on their device. I use my tab in my World History classroom, but mostly to supplement a lesson. I absolutely love my galaxy tab, but there are far more useful applications for education on the ipad.
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Well on the topic of stylus input neither produce the results expected. The galaxy tab doesnt accept a fine enough input to be useful with handwriting, however typing is a breeze from the large screen area and then with a bluetooth keyboard it is almost as good as a full blown laptop, if not as good. The Flyer is a great tablet in its own regard but lack of official Honeycomb drove me away, and the stylus while fairly accurate cannot replace pen and paper and with my larger hands did not jive and palm rejection was lacking. So if stylus input was a hope go demo them and see for yourself!
Oh also I typed all of this on my Gtab
I use mine for exactly that. My books are in my Tab. I still take notes on paper though, I prefer paper for notes. I've been very happy with mine. I don't turn mine off, leave it in standby
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It's really hard to decide for me, which tablet i'm going to buy. What are your opinions?
Well if you're using it primarily for web browsing then it's the Sony all the way for me, as the apple doesn't support flash. If that's not important to you, well the apple has more apps and the iOS is nice and easy to use.
Depends entirely on what you plan to do. Both are top notch tablets, both are great for media consumption. The biggest advantage for Ipad is obviously sheer volume of apps, the biggest S Tabl advantage is the remote control and Playstation ability. Biggest negative for Ipad is no ability to expand it, limited ports etc.
I, like most/all people in the S forum will say the Sony.
The design is just brilliant. I was amazed at the volume of films available in Video Unlimited. And for £399 its pretty darn cheap.
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If you own an android phone I would go for Sony.
I think it's also the design and the way you hold the tablet is just great.
They both have positive and negative points.
I only miss HDMI on this tablet. But streaming your media with DLNA works great and easy. It's awesome to really throw your video to your PC, PS3 even XBOX 360 and all other devices that work with it.
Currently Own:
IPad 2
Jetstream
HTC Flyer
Previously Owned:
Tablet S
I think that Sums it up ^^
The Ipad 2 is superior in almost every aspect. The only reason I could think of why u would grab the Tablet S over the Ipad 2 is if money is a concern or if you just plain hate Apple...
I believe that the Tablet S is an excellent tablet for those who have never owned a tablet.
Many of my friends who used it loved it (none of them have owned a tablet before).
However, when compared to the Jetstream it just lacks so much... The jetstream is smoother, faster, screen is nicer (imo). The Pen functionality is a huge bonus.
Compared to the Ipad2... Ipad2 has zero lag whereas the Tablet S has occasional lag, Tablet S has various other issues (read up on this forum) that the Ipad simply does not have. I have found absolutely nothing that the Tablet S does better then the Ipad2, whereas the Ipad2 does soooo many things better then the Tablet S.
Ofc... your in the Tablet S section so expect every1 to call me a troll, but this is my honest opinion; if you have used other tablets before, stay away from the Tablet S & go for the Ipad2.
TBH... I have currently ditched the Jetstream and the Ipad2 and instead use the Flyer simply because it is so portable!
Anyways GL with your purchase and I hope your happy with whatever you pick!
then tell them that I'm new and I had the iphone 2 with jailbrek and believe me you do not miss anything by that same flash that is not one.
the second is that if you stick a need to control it and believe me the jailbrek some applications can conger n the store besides Android also if you want free networks ipad 2 equal jailbrek need to part you can not do in the new that the only ipads vercion is, is the least 4.3.3 and can not lower the vercion I can not tell me that ode to the sony tablet but proven and if it was a good thing to stop me delivered on 15 November and believe me that what people say here is the same iPad tablet 2 and the sounds are not the iphone 2 has 512 of ram that is not nothing right and sony tablet has a gigue part has integrates a dual core but with nvidia ram it into pieces
I believe the iPad has better apps, but the Sony tablet offers a better overall experience.
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I believe the iPad has better apps, but the Sony tablet offers a better overall experience.
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Yes, I agree. Sony Tablet rear camera is 5MP with Exmor R, resolurion of screen is higher and better than ipad 2, it also offers more functions than any ipad out there.
Lets see
1. Ipad has more apps.
and thats all
Sony Tablet S
Better screen resolution .
DLNA. You can throw medi from your tablet directly to your laptop, desktop or any TV with dlna without cables.
Remote control for anything in your house.
Playstation games.
Way better design
Flash!!!!!
Ability to use a sd card, hell you can even use a usb flash disk.
I can go on but i think you got the idea.
Oh, one more thing... i have yet to find an app on ipad that is not on android. at least for my use.
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i have yet to find an app on ipad that is not on android. at least for my use.
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Sky Go isn't on Android yet, although it is apparently coming "this winter".
The deciding factor for me though, as I said earlier, is the lack of Flash on the ipad. I think the ipad is briliiant, but I couldn't bring myself to spend £400 on something that won't give me the full internet, especially seeing as I use youtube and BBC F1 sites alot, which both need flash to work properly. So, Sony S for me!
Watch out for the fanboys. Do your homework and get what suits your needs. No tablet is the right fit for everyone. Don't believe for a moment that the iPad 2 its superior in every way to the tablet s. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. look at the tradeoffs and decide what features are more important to you and make your choice based on that.
Have both in the house and yeah the UI from the iPad is nicer but for allround possibilities the tablet s is much better.Have both sitting on the table side by side every morning but I always pick up the Sony first to do my internet stuff cause the ipad is just so weak in that area.Like it's been stated here they both have their advantages and weaknesses but I still prefer the Tablet S,but that's only my opinion.
BTW I got the ipad as a present cause there was no way I was going to buy one
You really need to decide for your self. Most of the popular iPad apps are available on Android too. I haven't had too much problem in that area.
Android tablets are still young and have fairly small market share. You need to consider if you want to be an early adopter and go throughs some of the growing pains. Many of the people here are developers and want to support the platform and help increase marketshare, so yeah, we want you to buy an android tablet. Sony is my current recommendation.
While Android tablet *can* offer a better browsing experience, it can also hinder it. Many sites see 'android' and assume you are on a phone and send you to a mobile site without asking or giving you the option for desktop. Switching browsers can fix this and more sites are checking for android tablets, but its still a bit of a nuisance for now.
Disclaimer: As I was reading over my post, I felt that I was really critical against Android/TFP users. But the only reason I am writing this whole comparison is because I want you guys to have the best experience. I didn't sit here and type this whole thing up trying to bash you guys or show off or anything. End/
So I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for doing this cause of all the Android fanboy vs iOS fanboy debates. But guess what, I have used Android and have been on XDA for years now and I now have an iPad, no hard feelings. Don't be fanboys of companies, be fanboys of good products.
Anyways, I'm gonna compare the TFP and the iPad 3 since I have owned both. PS, this is gonna be pro iPad so cover your eyes if you can't take my opinion.
These arguments are mostly gonna be Android vs iOS but since the TFP is the best Android tablet IMO and the iPad 3 is the best iOS, I will use them for reference.
App Availability
This is the biggest and most important difference. I still use an android phone because the apps on it are still ok. Not as good and polished as iOS apps but still manageable. However, tablets are a whole different story. Maybe just me telling you won't do any good. Just download iTunes and see for yourself. The number of tablet apps on iOS is amazing. They aren't blown up apps like the Android "tablet" apps. They really make good use of the bigger screen. I think that there are probably more retina ready apps (retina iPad came out 4 days ago) than there are tablet apps in android.
The problem is and will continue to be the fragmentation on Android. I suggest you to read about MikaMobile, creators of Battleheart, ZombieVille, etc halting android support. Basically, they said that it takes them way too much time and money to support Android due to all the different OS versions, screen sizes, hardware, etc. And until this is fixed, iOS will continue to get all the good apps which would in turn attract more customers, and this greater app support and the cycle repeats.
Smoothness
The iPad is really smooth as butter. While the TFP boasts all the hardware, I always had little lags here and there (scrolling in browser, reading large PDFs, moving between apps, etc). Again, there is no point in me telling you. Go to a store and try out the iPad. Almost never had any lag or stutters.
Sad to say but Android tablets aren't even close to what iOS tablets have to offer. I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
Reasons You Want Android Over iOS
1) Customization. Probably the most common argument Android users use.
-Widgets: Sure I miss them a bit but I will take good apps over widgets any day. Perhaps you spend too much time on your home screen staring at all your widgets and custom icons because you don't have any good apps.
-Custom roms/Tweaks: Can't really talk about custom roms since I have not tried any on the TFP. But I doubt it would be any faster than iOS. If you jailbreak your iPad, the customization isn't that bad, I would say better than Android actually. There are a lot of useful tweaks in Cydia that Android doesn't offer. IE, pull down in Safari to refresh page, Moving multiple icons at a time, No gravity on home screen, etc. I'm sure a rooted/unlocked Android could have those tweaks too but too bad there arent enough Android tablet users/devs.
2) Multitasking
This is actually one of the only advantages of Android. Android offers true multitasking while the iPad has pretty poor multitasking. Not much to say about that.
3) Price
This is the TFP forum so they should be about the same price. But i guess if you are getting something like the Kindle then the price is a deciding factor.
4) Keyboard + Ports
Yes, the killer feature of the Prime. Another one of the only reasons you would get TFP. However, you can check out Clamcase for iPads and it is actually better than the TFP dock in many ways minus the ports. If USB and sd ports are really that important and you dont want to use the ipad dongles then I guess this is another deciding factor.
5) Drag n Drop over iTunes
Advantage of TFP
I will be happy to respond to the typical "walled garden", "no customization", "no flash", "crappy hardware", "Android/Apple fanboy" comments.
Remember, don't be fanboys of companies, be fanboys of good products.
After playing the new Mass Effect, Sky Gamblers, Updated Real Racing 2 & Updated Infinity Blade 2....I can honestly say that my new iPad smokes the Prime and Infinity Pad. The graphics are amazing!!!!
You might want to do a bit more reading into the MikaMobile situation.
It's not they aren't making money on Google market/play, nor is it porting or various hardware problem in later interview with the dev.
Returning briefly to what took up the majority of that 20% of their time dedicated to Android development, it was not related to fragmentation as some have asserted. The two activities that required the most time were the initial porting process (not shocking) and simple customer service (download and payment problems). The latter seemed to be a particular thorn in their side and of course is made all the more exasperating by the fact that those are in fact areas in Google’s control and not really something a developer should be dealing with at all. It’s hardly the first time I’ve heard that complaint from a developer and it is a subject worthy of discussion on its own at some point.
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http://androidandme.com/2012/03/app...figures-in-their-first-six-months-on-android/
And there are successful game dev that focus solely on Android platform.
ill comment on your Ipad customization claim-
I've had an Ipad over 2yrs. jailbroken. so I know cydia and the other places very well. while cydia does have some cool tweaks to make Ipad more useful, its chump change compared to Android mods n tweaks after rooting.
Ipad has:
-no Overclocking
-no custom roms
-no memory tweaks
-no Widgets
-no undervolting for even better battery life with overclocking
-no Linux or Ubuntu can be loaded on it
-no way to make backup of the whole system on device itself
-no real customization or personalization lmfao device. all Ipad can do is change wallpaper. then if you jailbreak you can use the crappy icons or themes in there. even with those it still looks the same.
-no downloading file in stock browser, Safari
-no uploading files in stock safari
-no access to flash content. skyfire on Ipad blows. puffin browser decent bit slow as a mofo. I know, I have these apps. and Crash is a joke
-no great custom keyboards like android has.
- all apple keyboards blows. clamshell one is NOT better than transformer dock. how can you even claim that when it doesn't even have a built in battery. no USB ports. no full size SD card slot...apple peripherals blows hard. its no contest Prime has the superior keyboard. alot more functionality than apple keyboards can even dream of.
-no USB host capabilities on Ipad itself or dock. Prime can use mouse, a separate keyboard, external hard drives, etc... even apple adapter sux. all it allows you to do is access pictures. it doesn't even accept most forms of thumb drives because apple crippled the voltage output. therefore it won't even recognize devices if its not apple made. you can't even hook your phone up to Ipad and transfer files through USB adapter. it doesn't even recognize phone because it says it draws too much power.
-no ability to download attachments in native email app. you can't even create a new email, within email app, and add files or pictures to it. have to be jailbroken to partially do this. android does this out the box.
- crippled stock media player. apple only allows you to play mp4 out the box. you have to get other apps to play other formats. android/Prime plays most formats out the box.
-no real multitasking. On my prime I can use overskreen browser and surf the web while another app is opened. or like stick it media player. I can be surfing the web and watch movie at the same time with no issues. plus I float those apps anywhere on the screen I want.
-no native out the box file explorer. you have to jailbrake and get ifiles. android does this out the box.
-no optimized aspect ratio for watching movies. 4:3 aspect ratio is ratio of old a$$ television sets. you try to watch a movie and go fullscreen, it cuts off the image very badly and zooms up movie image and not as sharp and clear anymore. prime has perfect movie theatre aspect ratio. Far superior for watching movies and videos.
-safari browser not able to change user agent. most of the time it loads up mobile version of sites.
-no way to enjoy using device outdoors in the sun. its display isn't bright at all. even on highest brightness setting its hard to view outdoors. prime has no issue at all having ips+ technology. easily viewed outdoors on the brightest days.
-no developer support
-app non tablet apps look horrible resized. android does a way better job at resizing and still keeping clarity n detail of app.
-Ipad apps cost more than android version. I already compared since I have both units and over 150-200 apps on both devices.
-video conferencing far superior on Android. Android Skype, tango, fring, o'clock are better versions and perform better than IOS counterparts. I have all this apps on both devices. although my ipad1 doesn't have a cam, I'm still able to use the video chat and see the other person. I'm more so comparing quality of the video stream coming in. facetime blows because only enables chat to other IOS devices.
-NO CONTROLLER SUPPORT FOR GAMES. this is huge since Ipad tries to focus on gaming. this is what happens in locked down OS where they don't give you USB or BT host capabilities.
-Ipad apps actually crash quite frequently. instead of saying FC or would you like to close, it just crashes back to homescreen.
-new Ipad no longer has the thin and light form factor like the price. its just as thick and as heavy as the first Ipad. major step backwards for apple. especially how ipad2 was advertised by apple so much for being thin and light.
-not able to create apps and developement on the device itself. Android now has this ability and apps to develop for other android devices on the tablet itself.
-not able to go to most movie and videos sites and watch. doesn't support flash.
-Ipad YouTube app is far inferior to android one.
-no system monitor apps on Ipad. no real ones to let you monitor CPU usage, memory usage, etc..
-very large PDF files load up and turn pages very slowly on Ipad. my prime with same large PDF file plows through it easily. example: I have the complete Service manual for my dogs magnum. same manual service center uses. PDF file is over 300mb and several thousand pages long. I can use it easier and faster on my prime as I put it on both devices.
-Ipad doesn't even recognize all forms of photos/pictures. especially ones coming from android phones. apple has their own specific formats it'll only recognize. prime recognizes all picture formats.
-less than a handful of processor optimized apps and games. 99% of apps n games look and perform just as good on my ipad1 as they do with ipad2 or new Ipad. developers makes the apps n games for all generations. none hardly take advantage. so Android version of the same games end up looking better on Prime. more visual effects, details, etc.. not our fault apple or its developers too dumb not to optimize at least some apps for newer processors ipad2 and new Ipad has.
-no way to play another opponent over local wifi network like Android. on apple you can only play online. no local network playing support.
-apple has to use iTunes to transfer media, movies, make backup,etc...android can do all of thieving device itself.
I own both devices. for me, the negatives outweigh ipads positive. Ipad a straight up consumption device. Android is more productive and do things apple can only dream of out the box or jailbroken. Ipad gets no love here. This Android country. Prime territory. so if you expect people to give you props for your new Ipad, you are mistaken. now that you have Ipad, you might as well join ipadforums and forget about xda. there is no support or help here for apple products. any talk of apple or ipads will always be greeted with beef up here. no way around it. xda not for Ipad users. might as well ditch your android phone also and get an iPhone. so you can become a full blown apple fanboy..lmfao.
As you see Ipad/IOS has a very long list of negatives that I wasn't even done with yet. My negatives for ipad is far numerous than your positive points. i could've easily doubled that negatives list in size if i felt like continuing to list negatives. plus your comparison wasn't unbiased or even attempted to be. so expect the heat to come and thread probably shut down eventually. the ones like this always do. Mass effect coming also to android and will be tegra3 optimized. meaning we will have better looking and playing version. just like shadowgun and Riptide.
you already made a similar thread before n got flamed. this one will be no different. why not just go in peace and live in ipadlandforums..lol you only bringing the heat to yourself and coming off as trolling. even if you don't mean to be. honestly no one hear cares about Ipad. so its a failed mission on apple propaganda.
There's nothing wrong with you preceding IOS or Ipad over Android and prime. The problem is when you come into an Android/Prime dedicated forum and spew Ipad/Apple propaganda. Do you expect us to be like OK, he is right, Android and Prime does suck. now I want an Ipad..lol.
don't take the apple fanboy comment personal. comes with the territory. I am a fan of great products also. So based on my list of negatives for Ipad/IOS, I'd say I made a great decision sticking with Android and Prime. Me and alot of others don't easily fall for the me 2 hype. Ipad is a great device and the graphics are killer. For me though, Prime and Android is more well rounded. ill take far superior CPU and computational power anyday over just a focus in graphics. Life is not all about games you know.
Wow demandarin, must feel good getting that of your chest ;-)
Agree with your points though..
I don't get the point about the Apps.
I'm using right now OverSkreen - and this is a killer app. It changed the way i can use my Prime while browsing. Watching a stream in one and browsing in another window? That's magic.
I can use vPlayer and let the video play in the background. Download stuff? Access my NAS without hacks and tricks? Watching every Video (besides 10bit) on this planet? Hey, i can even watch a straight blu-ray rip with DicePlayer.
I don't need Millions of apps. Give me Apps which are awesome and gamechanging. Who cares about "garage band"? I think people will be blast when they see that Android user can use the inet in a PC-style.
In reply to xgary..... i own both an ipad 2 and TFP. Sorry i dont have an ipad3 yet but have read many official reviews that its a tiny bit faster than ipad2, sharper, better camera/video capture, and high resolution. In my opinion, I dont see the point of very high resolution on a small 9` inch screen. A 1080x720 would be plenty enough. A resolution like the ipad3 belongs on a 60` hdtv screen , not on a small screen. Seems like a marketing strategy by apple that serves no real purpose. The cpu is a modded a5 or core2 duo to accomodate the quadcore graphic chip.
Ipad3 beats tfp in the graphics department, but tfp definitly beats ipad3 in the cpu performance. Dont believe me.... go read about the benchmark. Xgary you should really try rooting your tfp and flash the rom to virtuous prime . I just did it yesterday and can honestly say what a big improvementt with the browsing experience and swiping between pages. The webpages are opening up much faster, more responsive, and feels a lot smoother. I played with tfp tablet for a total of 7 hours today to make sure i wasnt dreaming. Xda developers did an awesome job and they werent lieing when they said the rom will maker your tablet run faster and smoother.
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I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
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Mmmh i see many many hehe
What about general functionality? smoothness and beauty are nice to have features to maximize the user experience but functionality is the must-have base ... I don´t own an Ipad, only read articles about it and look some review and test videos to build my own opinion. If i then compare this information with this thread, 2 totally different images of the same product can be seen.
I mean sure there are lots of high-quality tablet apps and games for iOS and everything is very smooth, but to be honest, thats the only really positive thing about the new Ipad. I saw several reviews showing crashes of system apps, for example app store, game center and so one ... There are retina games available, which seems to cause heat problems and frame dropping after playing this ones for longer times ... In general there is an unbiased study available, that iOS apps crashes more often then Android apps.
One big task a tablet should be able to offer in perfection and mostly unindependant is browsing the web, in my opinion, a tablet should be able to raplace a desktop pc in matter of browsing! While Android tablets offer flash support, good working html5 and javascript, the new ipad is far away from that. No flash at all and many bugs in html5 and java script, for example try to post a comment on the youtube website in desktop view so html5 is used. it will be impossible, it will be impossible to do anything on the site, buttons are only place holders lol while the iOS youtube app is very ****ty compared to ICS one ... (as intended from google ...) For me a multimedia tablet really is useless if i only can work with some parts of the web ...
the ipad misses a stand-alone concept in general, that starts with the fact that you are not able to use your new Ipad without having a PC with itunes to activate that ...
You also underrated the port-topic regarding to the new Ipad. If i read all the opinions it seems that gaming is a really huge topic if it comes to iOS, so the lack of generic usb host feature that allows to connect input methods to controle the amazingly-looking games is a big FAIL, epic graphic engine is useless if the games must be controlled with emulated touch controls ... in most cases ...
Then there is that huge amount of limitation on iOS, if i get it right i´m even not able to use a .zip attachement received by mail (in the build in email app), thats just absurd, same with the fact that i would not be able to free copy and paste text between several apps, for me that are real must-have features to be able to do some work on that things ...
Then the form factor, funny idea of apple to choose a format which is not able to play 95% of the multimedia content for which it is build for in native aspect ratio (without black bars).
Then the usual standards that could be expected in multimedia tablets, like generic hdmi and the ability to just clone the screen, again try it with your ipad that way ...
And i really could continue, pls don´t get me wrong, i don´t say that iPad is a bad product, but in my opinion it is not "more perfect" than an android tablet and in my situation, the disadvantages of an Abdroid tablet(like a milisecond of lag every 30 minutes, or that i have to wait until 100+ hd games are available for android tablets and so one) are much more compensatable than the major feature lack of iOS ...
I'm just curious to why these posts keep popping up? I guess I just thought anyone on a developer forum would already know what ios has to offer. I mean for me yes, apple makes pretty nice hardware but I cant stand ios. Also I find it funny that everyone claims no bias when there clearly is bias one way or another, and yes I read the edit. These apple posts need to die. I almost miss all the *****ing, at least that was relevant to the product people own. Maybe I'm just confused on what this thread is trying to accomplish.
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I'm just curious to why these posts keep popping up? I guess I just thought anyone on a developer forum would already know what ios has to offer. I mean for me yes, apple makes pretty nice hardware but I cant stand ios. Also I find it funny that everyone claims no bias when there clearly is bias one way or another, and yes I read the edit. These apple posts need to die. I almost miss all the *****ing, at least that was relevant to the product people own. Maybe I'm just confused on what this thread is trying to accomplish.
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Possible competitor paid advertisor here to troll.
Aka. Professional trolls
If anyone hasn't heard, apparently the iPad 3 may have some serious overheating issues. It's on many sites this morning, and the Apple Forums are full of complaints.
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Smoothness
The iPad is really smooth as butter. While the TFP boasts all the hardware, I always had little lags here and there (scrolling in browser, reading large PDFs, moving between apps, etc). Again, there is no point in me telling you. Go to a store and try out the iPad. Almost never had any lag or stutters.
Sad to say but Android tablets aren't even close to what iOS tablets have to offer. I really cant see any reason why you would want an Android tablet over the iPad.
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Actually I didn't want to waste any time on answering, since I wasted enough reading the post already...
But in relation to the Smoothness this sounds interesting:
http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
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The iPad with its A5X chip scored a very respectable 757. Then the Transformer Prime pretty much curb-stomped it, scoring 1438. That means it performed complex calculations almost twice as fast as the iPad and quite a bit faster than a G5, too! This translates into fast day-to-day use, opening apps, and within apps and games. Visuals will be smoother on the iPad, but in most cases, it won't be faster.
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This. Plus 1.
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sontin said:
I don't get the point about the Apps.
I'm using right now OverSkreen - and this is a killer app. It changed the way i can use my Prime while browsing. Watching a stream in one and browsing in another window? That's magic.
I can use vPlayer and let the video play in the background. Download stuff? Access my NAS without hacks and tricks? Watching every Video (besides 10bit) on this planet? Hey, i can even watch a straight blu-ray rip with DicePlayer.
I don't need Millions of apps. Give me Apps which are awesome and gamechanging. Who cares about "garage band"? I think people will be blast when they see that Android user can use the inet in a PC-style.
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Depends. I don't need millions of apps either. but find me Android apps that are as good as Notability for note taking, Safari for browsing, iBooks for PDFs, Flipbook for news, Tweetbot for Twitter, etc. Then what about all the good games that are almost always available on iOS first? All the game loft games (I didn't have to beg game loft to support my iPad like we had to for TFP , mass effect, Fruit ninja online, Infinity blade, Temple Run (I waited for months for them to release on android) ZombieVille 2.
strandeduser said:
In reply to xgary..... i own both an ipad 2 and TFP. Sorry i dont have an ipad3 yet but have read many official reviews that its a tiny bit faster than ipad2, sharper, better camera/video capture, and high resolution. In my opinion, I dont see the point of very high resolution on a small 9` inch screen. A 1080x720 would be plenty enough. A resolution like the ipad3 belongs on a 60` hdtv screen , not on a small screen. Seems like a marketing strategy by apple that serves no real purpose. The cpu is a modded a5 or core2 duo to accomodate the quadcore graphic chip.
Ipad3 beats tfp in the graphics department, but tfp definitly beats ipad3 in the cpu performance. Dont believe me.... go read about the benchmark. Xgary you should really try rooting your tfp and flash the rom to virtuous prime . I just did it yesterday and can honestly say what a big improvementt with the browsing experience and swiping between pages. The webpages are opening up much faster, more responsive, and feels a lot smoother. I played with tfp tablet for a total of 7 hours today to make sure i wasnt dreaming. Xda developers did an awesome job and they werent lieing when they said the rom will maker your tablet run faster and smoother.
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Lol benchmarks again. I always looked at benchmarks too. Then I played with an iPad and switched over right away. You know, the reviewers don't all praise the iPad because theyre fanboys, it actually is the leader. Besides, I doubt the custom rom runs as fast as my iPad but let's say it does. Why do I have to void my warranty and then have to flash a rom to get a smooth device?
bluewr said:
Possible competitor paid advertisor here to troll.
Aka. Professional trolls
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Coming from someone with 80 posts. Are you paid by ASUS to defend their product? I'm sure they invested all this time into me posing as a fake xda member and posting for years and on the TFP forums way before it was even out so that one day I could bash the product. Yep, Apple is genius. They also pay every single reviewer, iPad user in the world. That is why they praise the product, not because it is good.
chrihuc said:
Actually I didn't want to waste any time on answering, since I wasted enough reading the post already...
But in relation to the Smoothness this sounds interesting:
http://gizmodo.com/5893970/ipad-test-notes-speed-versus-tegra-3
Extract from the update at the end:
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And I care about benchmarks because? I wish I had my TFP with me so I could show you how I get little lags here and there and how reading my 1000 page PDF textbooks lag everytime I scroll to the next page even tho I tried adobepdf, ezpdf, and repligo.
just lou said:
If anyone hasn't heard, apparently the iPad 3 may have some serious overheating issues. It's on many sites this morning, and the Apple Forums are full of complaints.
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I don't think they are as "full" of complaints as the TFP did with Bluetooth, wifi, gps, screen problems, etc. The iPad has a huge userbase so it is expected to see complaints. But guess what? Got a problem with your iPad? Go to an apple store and they will give you a new one. What about TFP? RMA and wait a few weeks.
xGary said:
I don't think they are as "full" of complaints as the TFP did with Bluetooth, wifi, gps, screen problems, etc. The iPad has a huge userbase so it is expected to see complaints. But guess what? Got a problem with your iPad? Go to an apple store and they will give you a new one. What about TFP? RMA and get an email saying it was damaged by the user and you can pay $150 if you want it back damaged.
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Fixed this for you
bluewr said:
You might want to do a bit more reading into the MikaMobile situation.
It's not they aren't making money on Google market/play, nor is it porting or various hardware problem in later interview with the dev.
http://androidandme.com/2012/03/app...figures-in-their-first-six-months-on-android/
And there are successful game dev that focus solely on Android platform.
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Yea name me some. i have all of the Gameloft games, Infinity blade (how is your bladeslinger or whatever, newest Angry bird, fruit ninja, temple run, a ton of ea games. Name me some good games on android that I can get on iOS.
i currently own a asus transformer tf700 which has serious i/o memory lag issues that require monthly flashing. i noticed some people seem to have the same problem with n9. whats the general consensus around here?
Get a Surface Pro 4 instead of Nexus 9. N9 let me down. It was laggy when on 5.0, 5.1 solved that. And recently, my N9 shows some signs of screen mess and buzzing when battery is low. Not sure if it's related to software or hardware.
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it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
GiantAxe said:
it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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Yea i just bought for the black Friday sale 279$ for 32gig because 16 gig is just to small. But after looking thru a lot of these threads and seeing all the issues people have I'm seriously considering returning it. I have had every nexus device since the Galaxy nexus and im blown away by how many issues this device has and by the lack of development and just lack of general interest on the forums. 100$ more and i can get the Samsung tab S2 8.4, i actually really don't like Samsung design but with the lack of quality android tablets its either this or a ipad.
dislplin01 said:
Yea i just bought for the black Friday sale 279$ for 32gig because 16 gig is just to small. But after looking thru a lot of these threads and seeing all the issues people have I'm seriously considering returning it. I have had every nexus device since the Galaxy nexus and im blown away by how many issues this device has and by the lack of development and just lack of general interest on the forums. 100$ more and i can get the Samsung tab S2 8.4, i actually really don't like Samsung design but with the lack of quality android tablets its either this or a ipad.
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we also own a Samsung tab here wich has 3gb of memory, but frankly that device performance is even worse then the n9 due to samsungs bloatware. The only reason for a Samsung tab would be to buy it then flash cyanogenmod on it on something.
But yes, I do agree there is rather a lack of quality android tablets. tbh I might consider just buying a Surface tablet next, they start out at 500 bucks i believe, wich is like 50 bucks more then what i paid for the N9.
The reason I went with nexus devices is purely because they are as stock and bloatware free as possible, but the N9 in general is just bad. my 2012 N5 still performs fine.
We just have to hope for a N9 2016 or something with a quad core cpu (and that not being a nvidia tegra) and 3 or 4gb of memory.
GiantAxe said:
we also own a Samsung tab here wich has 3gb of memory, but frankly that device performance is even worse then the n9 due to samsungs bloatware. The only reason for a Samsung tab would be to buy it then flash cyanogenmod on it on something.
But yes, I do agree there is rather a lack of quality android tablets. tbh I might consider just buying a Surface tablet next, they start out at 500 bucks i believe, wich is like 50 bucks more then what i paid for the N9.
The reason I went with nexus devices is purely because they are as stock and bloatware free as possible, but the N9 in general is just bad. my 2012 N5 still performs fine.
We just have to hope for a N9 2016 or something with a quad core cpu (and that not being a nvidia tegra) and 3 or 4gb of memory.
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Yea thats why i went nexus too i have a lot of device's but nothing beats a stock version of Android with quick updates, i cant stand samsung bloatware, TouchWiz but it's hardware is the best out there. As far as the surface unless it's a work devise i wouldn't recommend it. I actually have a Dell Venue pro with Windows 10, full version has a beautiful screen fast processor actually quite beautiful tablet . But windows ten as a tablet is terrible if you are just using it to read and watch movies and basic stuff, especially if you are tied into the Google ecosystem. The lack of quality apps just makes it worse there are work arounds for most things but they can usually **** up and generally at the most importune times. I really tried to make it work cause i like the tablet but i just cant, that's why i got this but I'm weighing my options now after reading thru these forums.
I'm also looking to get this tablet haven't had a tablet since 2013 how are the tablet apps for Android?
GiantAxe said:
it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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Dual core and 2GB RAM works very well for iOS. I don't expect that to mean much but there's no excuse for the performance issues really as a Nexus device is already stripped to bare essentials.
Why do I have no issues whatsoever with my n9!
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