Poor s888 implementation ruins S21 ? - Samsung Galaxy S21 Questions

Was planning to upgrade s20 w/s865 to s21 w/s888 but reviews of the s21 end up pointing to a notably worse overall product. Expected s888 speed / efficiency / image pipeline improvements and improved software support to make up for hardware feature cuts - especially given how much qualcomm has hyped this new s888 soc but...
(1) poor s888 implementation on s21 appears to only offer ~15% speed boost
(2) poor s888 efficiency appears to negate power savings from integrated modem and variable refresh rate screen (samsung 5nm < tsmc 5nm?)
(3) poor s888 isp / software integration appears to result in zero significant photo / video quality improvements
Am I missing something? Was s888 implementation on s21 just rushed out the door and will look less awful after software updates? (FWIW S21 w/e2100 looks like a huge upgrade over s20 w/e990).

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[Q] galaxy s3 concept looks

hi, do you like a concept galaxy s3? im very hope its looks like on pictures ,cook specs ,only sad camera is 8 not 12 mpx , other say 12 must be with new camera sensor i think
With each day passing Smartphones are getting more and more Pixels. In 2010 you have enjoyed videos recorded at 720p which is indeed an extraordinary thing but Samsung is going to take it to the next level by giving you phones that will have the capability to record videos at 1080p. Samsung along with the announcement of its Dual core processor Exynos has also announced two new image sensors, 8.0 MP S5K3H2 and 12.oMP S5K3L1 respectively. Both sensors have the capability to shoot videos at 1080p at 60fps, two times higher than the previous ones.It has been speculated that to process such an enormous resolution at 60fps Samsung will need more powerful processors that it has already announced, so we can expect that the next breed of Phones from Samsung might be powered with Dual core processors codenamed Exynos having the capability to record videos at 1080p.SEOUL–(Korea Newswire) February 10, 2011 — Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd., a world leader in advanced semiconductor solutions, today unveils its new 1/3.2-inch 8 Megapixel (Mp) CMOS imager, S5K3H2. The new imager utilizes Samsung’s advanced 1.4 micron (um) back side illuminated (BSI) pixel technology to offer superior low-light sensitivity, satisfying the high quality imaging requirements of smartphones, high-end feature phones and camcorders.
“The new imager with BSI is designed to address the increased demand for 8 Megapixel resolution cameras by high–end mobile phone customers, and offers excellent low-light sensitivity as well as 1080p full HD video features,” said Dojun Rhee, vice president of marketing, System LSI Division, Samsung Electronics. “We continue to expand our product portfolio beyond mobile phones, to serve a wide variety of applications such as DSLR cameras, DVC/DSCs, camera embedded displays and game applications.”
The 8Mp imager provides clear and crisp image quality on par with point-and-shoot cameras, supporting up to 15 frames per second (fps) at full resolution and 1080p full HD video image up to 30fps. It also offers video recording of 720p at 60fps and VGA resolution images at 120fps for slow motion playback function all on a mobile phone.
Based on Samsung’s BSI low power process technology, the S5K3H2 is able to operate on 1.2 voltage levels enabling longer battery life for high-end mobile and smartphones.
In addition, as the slim form factor fits in an 8.5mm x 8.5mm auto focus camera module with a height dimension of 6.0mm, the S5K3H2 gives design engineers a great deal of freedom in designing camera modules suitable for slim mobile handsets and small form factor applications.
Samsung’s 8Mp S5K3H2 is sampling now and is scheduled for mass production in the second quarter of this year.
Samsung’s diverse imager solutions including the S5K3H2 will be displayed at the Mobile
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its pictures , i wish samsung look in real,amazing...
No offense, but these concept pictures look like ****. And your write-up makes no sense what-so-ever.

Display technology

There is a lot of positive feedback coming from reviews of the new 2017 iPad Pro 10.5 display regarding the 120hz refresh rate. The feedback indicates that the refresh rate results in a very smooth/fluid user experience and fast response times when interacting with the display. Apparently there is no noticeable lag with the Apple pencil thanks to the 120Hz refresh rate.
With the Tab S3 the display has generally received good reviews but there really isn't anything outstanding about it and certainly no mention of a higher refresh rate.
Does AMOLED technology benefit from refresh rate in the same way that LCD technology does? What is the refresh rate of the Tab S3 display and is there any reason why it cannot output a 120hz refresh rate? I don't know the technicalities of display technology and the limitations that Android might have. Perhaps the GPU in the Snapdragon 820 is incapable of handling a 120Hz refresh rate. Is this something that can be set on a rooted Tab S3?
With Samsung being a display producing company, I would have expected them to be fully aware of the advantages of a higher refresh rate of the display.
Also, with the Tab S3 being a premium, expensive tablet with obvious focus on pen input, I cannot understand why Samsung did not implement a 120Hz display, especially considering that it probably would have cost them very little extra thanks to their in-house display production and would have made a significant difference to the overall experience of using the tablet.
I haven't personally seen or used the new iPad Pro 10.5 but if the refresh rate makes such a big difference, just imagine what it could have done for the Tab S3.
I'm not an Apple fan but I really think that, with the new iPad pro, they have implemented something that is going to spark another shift/change in the mobile industry.
I am almost certain that we are going to see other companies follow suite with 120hz displays in their high-end / premium mobile devices over the next couple of years.
That sounds like alot of marketing hype. There are numerous comparisons out there (just google), and although the ipad pro seems to best the S3 in processor speed and battery life, it is the consensus that the S3's display is better.
Magical numbers that don't have an impact on your subjective experience are meaningless. Try them both and use the one that works best for you.
Most companies seem to be leaving the tablet space to Microsoft and Apple. I'm hoping Samsung, with this effort, is making a play in this space. Otherwise, I'm afraid they'll abandon it.

Gaming on the Full View Display of the Honor 9X

This year, Honor launched the Honor 9X as one of the few “full view” phones on the market. To achieve a large notch-free display, Honor hides the selfie camera behind a motorized pop-up mechanism. The large 6.59″ phone provides a much more immersive experience due to the completely uninterrupted display. The size of a notch or hole-punch solution might not seem very intrusive, but while gaming, it’s a clear advantage having a full view display.
The Kirin 710F is paired with up to 6GB of RAM and provides great performance across some of the most popular 3D games. You’ll also find that system performance is really impressive despite the weaker chipset included in this phone. With 6GB of RAM, the Honor 9X maintains super fast app launch speeds and very snappy system navigation. See the above photos for more detailed benchmark results from the AnTuTu benchmark.
Gaming
Honor is able to get really good performance from lower-end specs. Their secret is GPU Turbo 3.0. This feature is designed to prioritize gaming performance and has the ability to increase frame rate and graphics for your games. Battery performance is also increased due to 10% greater efficiency from GPU Turbo 3.0.
Minecraft runs flawlessly on the Honor 9X, even with the render distance bumped all the way up to 11 chunks and maxed out graphics. Worlds are created very quickly and terrain loads without lag. The same experience can be found across any game you throw at this phone.
Since mobile games are designed to be compatible with as many phones as possible, the full view display offers more of a gaming improvement than a significant increase in processing power would. When it comes to the experience on Minecraft, you will see the same performance from the Honor 9X that you’d have for most flagship devices. This leaves opportunity for improvements in other areas like the display. Honor took advantage of this and the result is a fantastic and immersive gaming phone.
Audio Quality
In 2019, one of the first questions you have to address when judging a smartphone’s audio prowess is “does the phone have a headphone jack?” The answer here is yes. Along with the headphone jack, the Honor 9X comes with Bluetooth 4.2 for your wireless headsets, and one bottom firing speaker. The speaker is very loud and has decent audio quality. Videos sound clear with great high and mid-tones, but lacking in bass compared to other smartphones.
During our gaming tests, audio played through the speakers performed very well. The ability to use your wired headphones cuts down on battery drain which makes it a big plus for the overall gaming experience. The Huawei Histen sound effects let you adjust your audio to get the most out of your gaming sessions.
Battery Life
With a 4000mAh battery capacity, the Honor 9X is designed for long sessions of use before needing a recharge. When it comes to gaming, you’ll effortlessly be able to get in 8 hours in a session before needing a recharge.
These things make the Honor 9X a really good gaming phone and worth checking out for the price of £249.99.
Read the full article here: Gaming on the Full View Display of the Honor 9X

General In-depth review of OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G

View attachment 914143457575174145.webpHey OPPO Humans,
I hope you all are doing great.
I have been using the OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G as my primary device for almost 7 months now, and here comes a usage experience or we can say an In-depth review of the device. So without any further ado let's get started.
Topics covered in this thread :
Camera
Design & In-hand feel
Display
Performance
Battery Life
Software
My Final Verdict
1. Camera​
Cameras are an important point when it comes to OPPO devices, so its no surprise to see more photo and video features, coupled with capable camera hardware on the OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G. The device is equipped with 64MP Main Camera, along with an Sony IMX 355 8MP ultrawide angle camera and two 2MP sensors – one for macro and the other for monochrome photography. The Reno6 Pro 5G also comes with Electronic image stabilization (EIS). You may be happy to learn that Ultra Steady video mode is available too. It has higher dynamic range, giving backlight shots clearer, more colourful details in both shadows and well-lit areas. The main camera can record 4K 60FPS videos.
Reno6 Pro 5G comes with a 32MP Sony IMX 615 sensor snapper for selfies and video chats. I found the 32MP front camera to be very good, which shoots some clear images with a good amount of details present on the face tones. Selfies taken during the day looked decent, Portrait mode is quite useful. In the evening or night, the performance is also very good, it provide usable selfies with bright enough light sources around.View attachment 914136882299011077.webp
My experience with the camera was very delightful and extra ordinary. It was a perfect blend of all the factors that one wants from a camera app like Saturation, Exposure, Auto-Focusing, Focus tracking etc & the features like Bokeh Flare Portrait, Flash snapshot and many more made the Camera Department stand out from the rest.
2. Design & In-Hand Feel​
The first thing that caught my eyes was the beautiful design. The device come in two color options i.e. Aurora & Stellar Black. I have the Stellar Black variant. It comes with OPPO's exclusive Reno Glow design, providing a unique back design because the AG glass has glossy and matte both in his back as some like glossy textures. Combining Reno Glow glass which using a crystal drilling technique to create millions of pyramid-shaped crystal structures at a microscopic level, and Diamond Spectrum body which is the combination of five core elements, the new Aurora variant could shine a million colors while holding in different angles.View attachment 914137195647074310.webp
And in terms of in-hand feel, OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G weighs only 177g which is quite lighter than any other smartphone and it also has a thickness of 7.6 mm which is much much thinner. The clean, minimalistic, quite elegant design is very comfortable in my hand and gives me a classy premium experience while holding the device in my hands.
3. Display​
OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G has a 6.5" OLED Curved Single Punch-hole display with Refresh rate of 90Hz, Touch sampling rate of 180Hz, and Screen-to-body ratio of 93.4%. My view on display is that when it comes to the display quality of the smartphone, you will not be disappointed by using it to watch videos on various OTT platforms and YouTube. The punch hole doesn't result in much of a hindrance in the viewing experience. There’s also support for Widevine L1, HDR 10+ Certification and thanks to the OLED display, which offers accurate colors. And also it has SGS Eye Care display certification. It was fun to watch content on this phone, the outputs are top-notch. Overall, it's a great combination of design and display.View attachment 914137387368710147.webp
4. Performance​
The phone is packed with MediaTek's flagship processor, Dimensity 1200. The octa-core Dimensity 1200 features one of the fastest smartphone CPUs ever. For all gamers, performance is a most important part. I played a lot of heavy games like BGMI and COD MOBILE and I was able to play both of them on high settings with high frame rate. Even at Ultra frame rate and HDR graphics, BGMI worked like a charm and I didn’t found any heating or frame drop problems with the phone. Thanks to the Multi-cooling system that prevents overheating. So, with the Performance on I don't have any issues and really impressed specially in gaming and multitasking works absolutely fine.View attachment 914137626133659652.webp
5. Battery​
The OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G gets a massive 4,500mAh battery. With moderate usage, I was easily getting somewhere around 8hr of screen on time. And, in order to quickly charge this mega battery, there's also a 65W SuperVOOC 2.0 Charge, which can take it from zero to 100 in about 31 min. Other important feature I can't miss to share with you all is Super Power Saving Mode. With this mode turned ON, the battery life shoots up. Running low on battery? Turn this feature ON to save a lot for later. It shuts down almost every unnecessary operations and gives extra screen on time.View attachment 914137750721527814.webp
The combination of 4500mAh + 65W SuperVOOC 2.0 makes this smartphone survive for a long time whether you play your favorite games or listen to the music or watch videos for hours. When it comes to charging speed I never want to go back after using that 65W SuperVOOC I just simply in love with how fast it gets charged. Yes I'm very happy with the battery life.
6. Software​
The OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G comes with Android 11 and ColorOS 11.3 on board. The user interface is clean, pleasing to eyes, icon designs, smooth animation while opening & closing the apps, everything is perfectly balanced with tons of customisation options found on ColorOS 11.3, But one thing that amazed me a lot is that it comes with native Google stock apps. Yes, we get stock apps like stock dialer apps, messages. Instead of a smart assistant on the left end of the home page now we get Google now. OPPO is seriously leaping towards much cleaner and stock experience.View attachment 914138382828044292.webp
I'm really impressed with ColorOS 11.3, and loved the overall UI experience. Mainly, the sets of customisation it offers are on the next level, being honest this is what I always wanted at the moment.
My Final Verdict​View attachment 914139023155920898.webp
After spending 3 months with OPPO Reno6 Pro 5G and i just fall in love with device. For me it's a beast device at the price point it is available right now. MediaTek Dimensity 1200 Processor which not only gives you a smooth and amazing gaming experience but also a well optimised powerful device. Camera is the mainThis is only smartphone in this price segment having DSLR effect. Bokeh Flare Portrait mode which is a cool new feature no doubt. The battery performance is good as well and the addition of 65W fast-charging makes the deal unbeatable. The way that it looks and sits in your hand is bound to win you over. Plus the gorgeous curved AMOLED display, how smooth and slick it feels in daily usage. It is one of the slim and light device which you really feel in your hands but also looks premium. I feel most users will be happy after buying this phone, especially those who are looking for a stylish, sleek phone. Overall I'm happy and satisfied with the same at the moment
So with that I have concluded the review by my side. Now it's your time! I hope you guys like this device and let me know what you think about the device in the comment section!
Signing off
Thahir
Thanks for the review. Can you confirm if Google MAp's Live View works on it? Thanks!h
Hi I need to root my phone oppo Reno 6pro is there any possibility

General [Info] Galaxy S23 Ultra

See:
Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra review: Refined to near perfection
The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra is a more refined Galaxy S22 Ultra, and while it might have features you don't need, it's one of the best.
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I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
blackhawk said:
I predict another dud flagship. Too thick, too heavy with a so-so display/bezel ratio. With poor SOT for the huge mAh battery.
No expandable storage; the high capacity internal memory variants will be in short supply and thus very expensive, predictably. And of course a huge price tag until Samsung realizes it's not selling well, again. This will make it 4 years running that Samsung has failed to deliver an exceptional, well balanced flagship.
That's what I think...
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Battery should be much better since the 8 Gen 2 is a TSMC chip.
There's very little that can be done about battery when 5G is enabled but even with it, the X70 is said to be up to 40% more efficient than the X65 was.
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Time will tell. I doubt it will improve the SOT much. There's also the burden of the variable refresh rate display. Not sure how much more scoped storage impacts battery life but it requires more cpu cycles.
Starting with the N20U the batteries have gotten bigger, as has the thickness and weight of all the Samsung flagships. At the same time even with the larger capacity batteries the SOT decreased.
Poor form factor and performance balance have now become Samsung's flagship hallmark.
Their last great flagship remains the N10+. No 5G or variable refresh rate display but more functional with a display color/gamma accuracy/calibration that likely exceeds all those that followed. If Samsung adopted a fixed 90hz display refresh rate much better color/gamma accuracy could be achieved. They won't do this because Samsung is now marketing hype rather than performance driven. Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
borijess said:
Battery like on my SD Ultra S22 is why I am upgrading. It was terrible from the start nothing has really changed.
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If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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I actually disagree with this. 13 has been great. I didn't like 8/Oreo because of how many apps they broke and 10 was slower than 11. 12 had some regressions and random quirks but 13 has been great. I don't actually have any specific OS-related complaints, just phone complaints about the Pixel 7 Pro, but if I'm being honest, I'm really just being petty, because the 7 Pro is great device that would serve most people well.
The reason I'm looking at the S23 series is specifically because of band support. I have Boost Infinite which uses AT&T towers so I want access to the 3.45GHz DoD spectrum and the Pixel 7 Pro's modem doesn't support it. Additionally Boost Infinite will be switching to using Dish Network's 5G network as it's primary and the Pixel doesn't support n70 and multiple other bands Dish is using.
Also, I just haven't had Samsung since the Note 5 and my partner has a Samsung A51 and I have played with it and actually kind of like it, so it just feels like it is time.
The Note 10+ is missing way too much for me to consider it. I'm not giving up 5G. The modem in that device has extremely limited and largely incomplete 5G support.
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Agreed, I wouldn't get the 5G N10+ variant. With an unlimited grandfathered 4G data plan it's a no brainer. Since 5G started rolling out 4G has even better bandwidth. Because many websites limit data speeds even the 4G download speed isn't fully utilized most times. The power drain of 5G remains an issue on the newer models as does the SOC, display and camera. They reached the thermal limits of the available surface area. The N10+ can operate at a 99F ambient temperature doing internet browsing with no cooling for an extended time because it's using less power and producing less waste heat.
Storage is inadequate and expensive on all models after the N20U.
30 gms heavier, worse display/ratio and a much worse SOT than the N10+. Not a well balanced flagship at all. S23U is more of the same... bs.
The claims that Android 11, 12 or 13 are more efficient than 9 I have severe doubts about. Even if Google implements a more efficient file system the overhead of scoped storage* remains. I like to see a side by side comparison on a N10+ running on 9 vs 10, 11 and 12. No one does that.
*In Android 10 scoped storage isn't fully active. It doesn't seem faster than Pie and SOT may be slightly worse. Still playing with my other N10+ that was factory loaded with Q. I prefer Pie as it's more functional and easier to troubleshoot.
blackhawk said:
If you want good SOT go with a N10+*, they get 12+ hours SOT with a new battery. Browsing with Brave I was using 6%@hr when this battery was newer. A better balanced and more usable device... even today**.
The S23U is already shaping up to be more of the same Samsung bs... 3+ years of fail and ball drops.
*stock Snaps that are optimized. All Samsung's should be optimized for best performance and SOT.
** I'm running Pie and Q so no CPU cycle sucking scoped storage. You'll be stuck with Android 12, 13 or 14 on the S23U. 13 is a mess. Google is more Apple now (as is Samsung) than it is Android... more dropped balls rolling around inside the machine.
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That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
borijess said:
That's not what I am looking for. I want the latest and greatest to have good battery life. Not great but just good. I had the note 20 ultra and that thing had better battery than the s22 ultra. I am just hoping Samsung has figured it out with the s23.
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Expect another hand warmer...
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Expect another hand warmer...
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I hope not.
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I hope not.
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Don't be the first to buy it. Samsung's recent track record speaks for itself. Besides they'll be more desperate after 6 months to sell the excess units. Predictably there will be a shortage of 1 and .5tb variants though.
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Case in point how many megapixels will the new cam sensor have?
For that tiny sized sensor 20mp is pushing it. Little doubt the mp count will continue to climb at the cost of pixel light gathering ability and sampling accuracy. The newer generations of Samsung cams seem to be very power hungry as well.
What a sick joke.
The laser AF is a great benefit. That should have been implemented 5 or more years ago. Sony was using this technology back in 2004 on its cams. Not to worry if you don't have it as a 3mw 535nm laser pointer can be used for spot on AF lock ups on older phones
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析:大满阱,双增益,与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS,尺寸1/1.3'',两亿像素十六合一,单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇,但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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You doubt but i don't since i now use gen 2 and before i used 2 gen 1 phones, the difference in battery is huge, incomparable
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The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
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About the sensor, here is some technical info, it is miles better vs HM3 on 22U.
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Not my second language...
dazed1 said:
三星两亿像素HP2技术解析:大满阱,双增益,与全向对焦
刚刚发布的三星HP2极有可能成为S23Ultra主摄CMOS,尺寸1/1.3'',两亿像素十六合一,单像素0.6微米。从尺寸上看并不出奇,但这次三星点到了另一个科技树。 超大满阱容与D-VTG技术HP2的亮点在于其采用的D-VT…
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Its not about the megapixels but what tech is in it, and what it can do, this sensor is almost on imx 989 level
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Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
blackhawk said:
The new Samsung phones are battery hogs.
Not my second language...
Micro lenses that small have less light gathering ability and waste real estate. The borders of those lens are wasted space, lots of wasted space on a sensor that has very little to spare. The quality of the micro lens are also suspect.
Pixel micro lense quality and individual pixel sampling capabilities are more important than pixel count. 12mp is a reasonable number and 20+mp is pure hype for a sensor this size.
A Canon pro shooter with a full frame sensor is only about 22-26mp. They will chew up any smartphone. Full frame digital movie cams boast a huge pixel count in the 20-40mp range.
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The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
dazed1 said:
The link is in English, it address all of your concerns and ideas, this sensor FWC is 10k, it is monster in low light
In what segment of photography will canon chew up smartphones? Certainly in won't in single frame and low light with normal exposure times on both
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Single frame and especially low light. The large metal frame provides superior heat sinking and the sensor is also thermally isolated from the processors for a lower noise floor in low light.
A heavier frame with good hand holds means it's much easier to shoot with. Much faster bootups and almost no shutter lag.
On top of that huge lens are available. Some with 200mm front optics for optimum light gathering.
Smartphones do very well with what they got. I view the cam as a convenience not a dedicated shooting platform. Anymore it's all I shoot with. They have limitations and are harder to shoot with than dedicated systems. With no expandable storage they lack onboard backup, a huge disadvantage. Canon has had dual card/write capabilities for around 20 years on their pro models.
The shooter's skill is more important than the camera, one reason they're killing the camera market. On that same line of thinking the improvements on the newest smartphone cams won't make you a great shooter if you aren't.
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Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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dazed1 said:
Most tests i saw by now DSLR vs phone (custom software on the phone - GCAM) results in either close battle, or win for the smartphone on lowish, and especially in low light.
There are numerous versus, if you are interested i can find samples. Single frame dslr cannot compete with 1'' sensor with 30 frames stacked and super advanced denoise algorithims/ISP, it will either burn the highlights, or be just dark.
Where dslr wins, is action shots, long range zooms, astro, portrait and video, not for static shooting.
Here is an example what a phone does in quite dark conditions, with advanced setup,
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Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
blackhawk said:
Lol, what phone has a 1 inch sensor?
Full frame sensors are 24×36mm ie 1.339 sq inches.
Believe what you want to... at least it will save you $10+G.
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Its not real 1'' but its very big, its bigger then Sony RX100 for example, its 132mm2, and sensor size doesnt matter as much when you got 30 frames stacked, that remove like 80% of the noise, and bring much more "light" into the sensor. No need to believe, ive seen the results,
And low light action shots? Books and parked cars don't move... people do.

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