I'm new to samsung and knox is alien to me. I understand that it will be tripped when I root and that this cannot be done. Is that understanding correct?
Also, I am very curious what exactly you lose when knox trips. Do I lose access to all samsung apps or just samsung pay? Like will the health app or watch apps still work?
I have always rooted my phones but this is the first time I've seen it have penalties other than safetynet or widevine with safetynet being easy to bypass and widevine penalties being unnoticeable for my use. At least with those you can flash stock and be back to good, but I understand this isn't the case with knox.
Tripping Knox blows a physical fuse so it cannot be reversed even if you factory reset, restore original stock firmware, etc. Several security-conscious apps and features require intact Knox, including Samsung Pay, Samsung Health, and Secure Folder. Tripping Knox also voids the phone's warranty (because rooting lets you make driver-level changes that can damage the hardware).
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i just read on the international note 3 forum on xda that a guy had to bring his note 3 in for service and the service tech noticed that his knox was triggered but still fixed his device and was able to reset the knox counter back to 0x0. so it seems that it can be reset and its software related. ill post the link so you guys can read it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504258
They recently had the Samsung developers conference with the head of the Knox app. He stated that knox is more about security of the information device. So if you use the phone for work and have sensitive info on it it won't be easily compromised if its lost or stolen.
Also yes knox has some type of counter that says if you or something attemped to access the inner framwork of you device, but he also stated the goal was to allow the user to run custom roms but still protect data/info leakage into the wrong hands..ie Id theft,,codes etc.
so if you think about it...it should be/ could be reset with someone know how after indicated and fixed. i guess if there is a IT person at your provider's store that is allowed to do so.
Hi All,
A lot of phones these days, especially Samsung ones (S3 and up, Note 3 and up etc) and potentially Nexus devices of the future will probably come with KNOX installed.
For those that don't know, KNOX is an enterprise feature for businesses developed by Samsung and Google that allows them to sandbox or section off their apps from yours in a BYOD type scenario, its also relevant for Samsung and i *think* google wallet in that it will stop you using them although i could be wrong about the latter (google wallet).
KNOX has a security check which once tripped cannot normally be unset and is triggered by root, once triggered KNOX will not work, even if you go back to complete stock.
This means that if you want root, or to install a custom ROM, use Xposed etc your not going to be able to do so without PERMANENTLY changing the KNOX bit.
Most of us probably wont use KNOX, but i did wonder if there is any hit on the devices with tripped KNOX in relation to resale value, for example on the S3's and Note 3's and above has it been an issue selling on?
I've got an HTC One M8 at the moment, without KNOX, rooted and Xposed installed and am eyeing an S6 which does have KNOX, but likewise i dont want to buy something i cant sell on.
Has anyone had problems selling a KNOX tripped phone, do buyers see it as an issue or not care due to its limited use? What's your thinking on it?
Hi all,
I couldn't find anything on Sprint/Asurion insurance that makes me comfortable tripping Knox. I'm clumsy and poor and need to be able to have the phone fixed for free. That being said, street much reading, I think my best course of action is:
- Factory reset
- I'm on OC5, so flash NH7 using Odin
- Factory reset
- Use towelroot
- Hope that Knox won't trip
- Enjoy TiBu and other root benefits
- In a year when I can afford paying the remainder due on this phone to get a new phone using Easy Pay, stop caring about Knox and install a custom recovery and all the ROMs
Is this technically/theoretically possible? Am I missing anything?
I heard towelroot steals IMEI and other personally identifying info. I also see that it requires "phone number and identity" when installing the apk. Is this necessary as part of the exploit to gain root? Does XDA endorse towelroot or support it as legitimate?
Thank you in advance!
Sprint doesn't really care about Knox, Samsung does.
Tripping it does not affect functionality of the phone and if anything, only inhibits your experience with the phone.
I tripped it an hour after I bought the phone and haven't looked back since. I also cracked my screen and had to make insurance claim...Sprint didn't say a word about it being tripped.
For add'l opinions, see this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2561241
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rpenrod23 said:
Sprint doesn't really care about Knox, Samsung does.
Tripping it does not affect functionality of the phone and if anything, only inhibits your experience with the phone.
I tripped it an hour after I bought the phone and haven't looked back since. I also cracked my screen and had to make insurance claim...Sprint didn't say a word about it being tripped.
For add'l opinions, see this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2561241
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I saw that poll. Helped me decide that if my Knox is tripped during a root method that ISN'T supposed to trip I wouldn't cry over it. Still, I read that tripping Knox will prevent Knox app functionality and my company may use it, so I don't want that to be a problem either.
I'm still looking for verification that towelroot won't steal my phone info.
Psychotacon said:
Hi all,
I couldn't find anything on Sprint/Asurion insurance that makes me comfortable tripping Knox. I'm clumsy and poor and need to be able to have the phone fixed for free. That being said, street much reading, I think my best course of action is:
- Factory reset
- I'm on OC5, so flash NH7 using Odin
- Factory reset
- Use towelroot
- Hope that Knox won't trip
- Enjoy TiBu and other root benefits
- In a year when I can afford paying the remainder due on this phone to get a new phone using Easy Pay, stop caring about Knox and install a custom recovery and all the ROMs
Is this technically/theoretically possible? Am I missing anything?
I heard towelroot steals IMEI and other personally identifying info. I also see that it requires "phone number and identity" when installing the apk. Is this necessary as part of the exploit to gain root? Does XDA endorse towelroot or support it as legitimate?
Thank you in advance!
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Where do you "hear" these rumours? Links? First you said cf auto root was bad cause you read that somewhere, no link and now this. Knox doesn't matter at all if you're clumsy. One has nothing to do with the other. You break or lose your phone insurance isn't going to ask if you tripped Knox. If you download any apps at all then you should be reading what they have access to when installing. Lots of legit apps access your phone information. Pretty sure Knox is one of them. Fyi I'm on easy pay now and I'm not a millionaire and I don't care that I tripped Knox. Root and start living life to the fullest lol.
This is my first Samsung and I rooted it straight away with no research assuming a stock ROM would restore warranty but as I've gone to find out it doesn't, but my knox thing is 0x1 can I reset this and the finger scanner doesn't work is this because of root? I'm looking to seel the phone eventually and wanna like reset make it seem as new
After triggering knox there is no known way of reseting it/reverting it back to 0x0 so the only option to make it look like its new is wiping it all clean and flash a new stock rom with odin. As for the fingerprient problem maybe you need to try diferent version, because alot of people reported the same problem after flashing the lolipop.
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barnabyoshea said:
This is my first Samsung and I rooted it straight away with no research assuming a stock ROM would restore warranty but as I've gone to find out it doesn't, but my knox thing is 0x1 can I reset this and the finger scanner doesn't work is this because of root? I'm looking to seel the phone eventually and wanna like reset make it seem as new
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Triggering Knox in (by far) the most cases does not trip warranty *as long as you revert to stock*. It ever reads it quite clearly right there "knox warranty" is tripped, not "phone warranty".
Knox is Samsung's system securing personal data integrity (among other things), once you trip it Samsung cannot "guarantee" for them ... so -yeah- your knox is tripped, you warranty isn't...
So yeah, flash away. This is the third Samsung device that I tripped knox without second thoughts (I even used the warranty to my other two devices with tripped knox)...
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Triggering Knox in (by far) the most cases does not trip warranty *as long as you revert to stock*. It ever reads it quite clearly right there "knox warranty" is tripped, not "phone warranty".
Knox is Samsung's system securing personal data integrity (among other things), once you trip it Samsung cannot "guarantee" for them ... so -yeah- your knox is tripped, you warranty isn't...
So yeah, flash away. This is the third Samsung device that I tripped knox without second thoughts (I even used the warranty to my other two devices with tripped knox)...
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LOL
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Well, OK. Maybe your country is different, in mine it is as stated. It's possible that property rights are different between different countries (in many/most western countries taking full ownership of a product is fully covered by the warranty, purposefully destroying at product with said ownership is what kills warranty),..
Stevethegreat said:
Triggering Knox in (by far) the most cases does not trip warranty *as long as you revert to stock*. It ever reads it quite clearly right there "knox warranty" is tripped, not "phone warranty".
Knox is Samsung's system securing personal data integrity (among other things), once you trip it Samsung cannot "guarantee" for them ... so -yeah- your knox is tripped, you warranty isn't...
So yeah, flash away. This is the third Samsung device that I tripped knox without second thoughts (I even used the warranty to my other two devices with tripped knox)...
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Thank you for clearing this up for me and the finger print seems to just not worm but ohwell
Hey Guys,
today i got my S23 Ultra. I switched from iOS to Android.
I installed the Dr.Ketan Rom.
Then i cant use Gpay & Samsung Pay. I flashed the OEM Stock Rom, but i cant use Gpay and Samsung Pay.
I see in my Downloader Menu "Warranty Void: 0x1 (0x400)
Its possible to get gpay & Samsung pay back?
Once knox is tripped it can't be fixed because it's a literal fuse that gets blown so when it's tripped it's over
You can try the xposed module to restore knox services but that requires you to stay rooted and install xposed but it's stays tripped, just adds the services back
knox or not, in android history having a 100% functional phone with root was rare, and for a short period of time.
Gpay only worked back with magisk exploit few years ago, before that most rooting way blocked gpay. Anyway, there's a fix for gpay, and still can use samsung pay with a watch.
OTA was always an issue, even if you had the notification , it wasn't possible to update without loosing all your stuff and re-root.
Loosing samsung apps, bah, most people from other brand don't care.
Netflix certification for 4k and hdr, bah, most people use smarttv/htpc , and I think there's a work around. I use popcorn time anyway.
So far , only warranty can be the problem, Ill wait a year, but I'm pretty sure, for my use Ill be able to use the phone like nothing happened.
I probably root when s23 will be out of support.
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