Issue with the autofocus in lowlight (due to removing ToF and not using the lamp) - Sony Xperia 5 II Guides, News, & Discussion

Hi guys!
I am a long term (~10 years) Xperia's phones user and it is first time that I faced this kind of problem.
The problem: Xperia 5 II doesn't use the lamp to help itself to autofocus. Result - blurry photos. (check the videos from the links)
My thoughts: My previous phone Xperia XZ2 Compact had laser AF - no problems with focusing. Before XZ2 Compact I had Z3 Compact (not equipped in laser AF) - no problems with focusing, but there is a little detail. Z3 Compact flashed the lamp for ~milisecond to let the autofocus work (check the video). Xperia 5 II has camera from Xperia 1 II, but with removed ToF sensor. For some reason Sony didn't consider it and Xperia 5 II doesn't use lamp while there is no ToF sensor. The problem exists in Android 10 and 11. I wrote about it on Sony's forum, but I conclude that they doesn't plan to repair the software.
Question: is it possible to modify in some way the camera to force it to use lamp during focusing (with root or without)? We can't count on Sony, but I would love to stay with my phone if the problem could be solved. Beside issue with autofocus, in my opinion Xperia 5 II is free of disadvantages. Pitty.
Comparison with Z3 Compact:
Comparison with turned on and turned off lamp. Photo Pro:
; The main camera app:
Ps. 1: On the video you can see that I let the phone focus with lamp and after I quickly turned of the lamp before shooting (to take sharp photo without lamp) so no discussion about hand shaking.
Ps. 2: I forgot to switch the lamp to auto, but it doesn't affect the results of the test, while Xperia 5 II never turn on the lamp during focusing.
Greetings

Indeed the lack of of pre-flash, laser and TOF make it hard to focus in the dark. In such situations, I suggest using the Photo Pro app with continuous focus ON (this mode is not available in the standard app). Most often this setting allows to acquire proper focus except in total darkness.
Anyways that's what I did when I had this phone. See my post here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/photo-quality.4159799/post-84192113

Easy fix, use a red laser pointer. 535nm works best. It will work at hundreds of yards out or close. The cam's AF with lockon fast and easy.

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ACRO-S: Camera quality when ZOOM?

Hi All,
i will like to check from the users of Acro-S when you do a zoom function when in camera mode, does your screen shows bad quality pictures as in pixelation?
I tried with the various scene modes and whenever the zoom function is utilised, the quality goes off the scale.
Wrote to the local (SG) SONY support team and the reply indicated this is a known issue and nothing will be done.
Is there anyway we can make good the situation? Is really a waste to see the camera function put to waste with only non zoom pictures taken.
thanks
wjzkev said:
Hi All,
i will like to check from the users of Acro-S when you do a zoom function when in camera mode, does your screen shows bad quality pictures as in pixelation?
I tried with the various scene modes and whenever the zoom function is utilised, the quality goes off the scale.
Wrote to the local (SG) SONY support team and the reply indicated this is a known issue and nothing will be done.
Is there anyway we can make good the situation? Is really a waste to see the camera function put to waste with only non zoom pictures taken.
thanks
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Acro S (like as all xperia phones) has a digital zoom - zoomed picture is same as cropped small from normal picture! If you take 3X zoomed shoot with 5Mp resolution, you got 1,6Mp resolution picture!
Thanks for this information. Others sony phone have this issue?
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william tham said:
Thanks for this information. Others sony phone have this issue?
Sent from my LT22i using xda app-developers app
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Xperia S has basically the same camera so also the same "issue". But there's not really something Sony can do about it. There are two ways to zoom, you can keep the same sensor size and increase the image on the sensor with a lens, but that would also make the phone much bigger (it would basically be a compact camera).
Since lenses are not going to be used on a phone, the only solution is to take a sample of your sensor, but as Lietotajs said you lose a lot of detail. The only phone out now that zooms well is the Nokia Pureview 808 because it has a 41MP sensor. If you zoom 3x, you still have 13MP left. But that camera module is also something you don't just put on any phone, it would make our Xperia's twice as thick.

low Light problems photos from stars distorted with S9Plus

Hello,
i take photos from the night sky since serveral years (with smartphones too).
Unfortunately with the Samsung S9plus the stars are not pinpoint like as they are on the Samsung S7. They apear very distorted with a kind of a halo.
Ofcourse the smartphone was not moved during 10 seconds of exposure time.
I did layed it down and used the self timer mode to prevent shaking.
I tried it serveral days in comparison with the Samung S7.
The S7 is always much better and show pinpoint like stars.
The distortion of the stars is visible in the RAW files(DNG) too so no jpeg problem forced by the compression.
Could you reproduce the same problems?
I am not allowed to post links.So how to show you the photo?
Could send you the link of the uploaded photos for comparison.
The dual camera variants of Samsung phones tend to overexpose shots, especially during darker environment.
That's what I noticed, and I'm waiting for the update they sent to Note 9s.
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9-update-camera-improvements/
Are you using the telephoto camera? It has OIS driven by digital gyroscopes. Those gyroscopes aren't effective at low frequencies so the OIS will slowly drift around a small amount. 1/5 second is usually the limit for sharp photos. Even when the gyroscopes are turned off, OIS lenses are VERY sensitive to motion because of the lens being on a soft suspension. Walking next to the tripod could wobble the lens.
You also can't expect clear images if you use F/1.5.
Try using the wide angle lens.
I would send a photo to someone of you so you can post it here into the Tread.
Who like to do it?
The camera was layed down on the ground so no shaking or vibration ppossible during the exposure time.
I found no setting that the OIS gyroscope is working in photo mode. OIS is probably only working in video modes.
Even if it works in photo mode, the camera was layed down, so no shaking could happen.
Who of you could make a photo from the stars with the following settings?
Pro Mode
Camera mounted or layed on the ground with direction to the night sky.
Self timer to prevent shaking
Iso 800
10sec shutter speed
F 1.4
kevinmcmurtrie said:
Are you using the telephoto camera? It has OIS driven by digital gyroscopes. Those gyroscopes aren't effective at low frequencies so the OIS will slowly drift around a small amount. 1/5 second is usually the limit for sharp photos. Even when the gyroscopes are turned off, OIS lenses are VERY sensitive to motion because of the lens being on a soft suspension. Walking next to the tripod could wobble the lens.
You also can't expect clear images if you use F/1.5.
Try using the wide angle lens.
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Antwort unfortunately the tele lens only works in very good light conditions.
Even in a bright lighted room there is no way to activate the real Tele lens. The camera automatic switch to digital Zoom.
Also in pro mode its not possible to use the telephoto lens if the light condirions are not perfect.
This is very bad because if the cameras is standing still completely and the object doesn't move why not using the Tele camera lens in pro mode?
Very interesting Thanks for the link
fortesquieu said:
The dual camera variants of Samsung phones tend to overexpose shots, especially during darker environment.
That's what I noticed, and I'm waiting for the update they sent to Note 9s.
https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-note-9-update-camera-improvements/
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S9 plus Someone able to shoot a photo from the stars/nightsky?
Hello,
just like to ask if someone here are able to shoot a photo from the stars with the Samsung S9 plus by using the following settings:
Please post your photo here to compare it with my one.
Pro Mode
Iso 800
Shutter 10seconds
F 1.4
Selftimer to prevent shaking
Camera on a tripod or layed on the ground
Thanks

Xperia 5 II cam & pro cam vs OP6 cam & gcam, no tinkering

Sony Xperia 5 II:
* standard camera, no tinkering
* pro camera, auto mode
* pro camera, P mode with HDR, no other tinkering
Oneplus 6:
* standard camera
* Marco's GCam 6.1 MJL v3.7 Miniflex, day mode, AWB off, no other tinkering
(Sorry for the un-professionality of the shots and the general mess.)
I'm finding the Xperia 5II camera and pro camera... underwhelming to say the least. I'm sure that pro camera, used by people who are used to more complex non-smartphone cameras can give great photos, but to less camera-savvy people like me the results are... terrible. Coming from a great gcam port that basically performed perfectly right out of the box (big kudos to Marco's amazing work), I find it pretty disappointing to see this.
I can only hope that a good gcam port comes out fast.
(The Xperia otherwise is a pretty darn good phone imho, aside from some minor annoying things that hopefully will be improved/fixed in next updates.)
(x-posted from my thread on r/SonyXperia)
I don't understand why everyone is praising the xperia cameras. They are just not as good as many other phones. I come from an s10 plus and pictures were just better on the s10, especially in low light. My real issue is that there is NO way to take 16:9 video with manual focus (or even tap to focus) on either the simple camera app or the pro: The simple camera doesn't have manual focus and the pro is locked at 21:9 for some reason... This is simple functionality, yet Sony in their all "camera wisdom" couldn't provide it on any of their apps....
I agree that a good (or at least functional) gcam port is our only hope (as is for any xperia device). Sony is full of marketing BS on every xperia release about their cameras and somehow they always manage to be underwhelming and a few generations behind.
palamosteliaro said:
I don't understand why everyone is praising the xperia cameras. They are just not as good as many other phones. I come from an s10 plus and pictures were just better on the s10, especially in low light. My real issue is that there is NO way to take 16:9 video with manual focus (or even tap to focus) on either the simple camera app or the pro: The simple camera doesn't have manual focus and the pro is locked at 21:9 for some reason... This is simple functionality, yet Sony in their all "camera wisdom" couldn't provide it on any of their apps....
I agree that a good (or at least functional) gcam port is our only hope (as is for any xperia device). Sony is full of marketing BS on every xperia release about their cameras and somehow they always manage to be underwhelming and a few generations behind.
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I like them because the colors are almost accurate and not blown up....
But everyone to their own i guess
yekollu said:
I like them because the colors are almost accurate and not blown up....
But everyone to their own i guess
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I wasn't talking about colors, colors are subjective and everyone has different taste. Noise however, isn't. You can zoom on both pictures and see that the 5 ii has more noise and "blurriness" compared to the oneplus. And this has been a tradition with xperia phones as long as I remember. Always a few generations behind on image clarity. I don't think anyone likes noise on their pictures... Professional reviews are misleading, since they are usually done in good (or even professional) lighting on a stand, so they are not representative of real life. If you are not a ...tourist, most of your pictures will be indoors and/or in random lighting scenarios with auto settings, on your hand, for a fast and easy picture. Xperia phones produce the worst results in those real life scenarios every time. If you want to take pictures on a stand, after tinkering with settings for the best results, you should be using a DSLR not a phone imo.
KiraV said:
Sony Xperia 5 II:
* standard camera, no tinkering
* pro camera, auto mode
* pro camera, P mode with HDR, no other tinkering
Oneplus 6:
* standard camera
* Marco's GCam 6.1 MJL v3.7 Miniflex, day mode, AWB off, no other tinkering
(Sorry for the un-professionality of the shots and the general mess.)
I'm finding the Xperia 5II camera and pro camera... underwhelming to say the least. I'm sure that pro camera, used by people who are used to more complex non-smartphone cameras can give great photos, but to less camera-savvy people like me the results are... terrible. Coming from a great gcam port that basically performed perfectly right out of the box (big kudos to Marco's amazing work), I find it pretty disappointing to see this.
I can only hope that a good gcam port comes out fast.
(The Xperia otherwise is a pretty darn good phone imho, aside from some minor annoying things that hopefully will be improved/fixed in next updates.)
(x-posted from my thread on r/SonyXperia)
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I've just compared both standard photos.
IMHO
* Xperia colors are more natural (more red/blue, OnePlus has more green)
* I can see more noise on OnePlus and more sharp edges, seems a bit artificial
* Xperia photo is less sharp/more soft, especially in the background. Not sure but it may be related with bigger sensor and lower DoF
Are both photos were taken on the same day/the same time ? The posters in background are different
I have both the 7pro and the 5ii and the 5ii is way more satisfying with photos for me, my experience is completely the opposite. I will say the biggest downside is consistency with the sony camera, but when it takes a great shot it is significantly more satisfying than a lucky 7pro shot and it should be since the sensor is better.
palamosteliaro said:
I wasn't talking about colors, colors are subjective and everyone has different taste. Noise however, isn't. You can zoom on both pictures and see that the 5 ii has more noise and "blurriness" compared to the oneplus. And this has been a tradition with xperia phones as long as I remember. Always a few generations behind on image clarity. I don't think anyone likes noise on their pictures... Professional reviews are misleading, since they are usually done in good (or even professional) lighting on a stand, so they are not representative of real life. If you are not a ...tourist, most of your pictures will be indoors and/or in random lighting scenarios with auto settings, on your hand, for a fast and easy picture. Xperia phones produce the worst results in those real life scenarios every time. If you want to take pictures on a stand, after tinkering with settings for the best results, you should be using a DSLR not a phone imo.
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I'm not sure what photos you've been looking at but the Xperia is completely smooth compared to the OnePlus. Yes, the Xperia is also a bit softer because of the shallower DoF and because of less aggressive sharpening which Sony is known to do. But based on those photos I'd take the Sony any day.
I have to say that coming from OnePlus 6 into Sony Xperia 5 II I totally agree that the camera in standard mode the OnePlus performs better.. but the manual mode in the Sony Xperia if you know about photography it definitely out performs the OnePlus 6.. I'll recommend reducing the brightness in the standard mode and you will see a better quality pic in the Sony Xperia.
zwirek75 said:
I've just compared both standard photos.
IMHO
* Xperia colors are more natural (more red/blue, OnePlus has more green)
* I can see more noise on OnePlus and more sharp edges, seems a bit artificial
* Xperia photo is less sharp/more soft, especially in the background. Not sure but it may be related with bigger sensor and lower DoF
Are both photos were taken on the same day/the same time ? The posters in background are different
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Same day, same time, around 10 minutes difference I think? What's the difference you're seeing? The Xperia makes everything much more pink-ish, if that's what you're referring to. Imho from how the light was irl the gcam got the most accurate colours, my room does have a kinda "washed out" light when it's cloudy and the lights are off.
Also why would I lie? I got accused of lying and about the irl colors on the Xperia reddit thread ("do you have green light? " when these were made without turning the light on...), now you're saying the background looks different... What would I even gain by lying, I'm not a pro, I don't get money, I'm not even a reviewer, just a rando posting a simple comparison of what I saw and instead I got insulted and accused of lying... for simply stating my opinion? Wtf. I just wanted to make a comparison before selling my old OP6, that's all. I did the comparison, I sold the op6, I'm happy with the Xperia, I'm just disappointed by the camera. Simple camera app is too simple, the Pro one is too complex and even after days of watching tutorials I can manage to get decent pictures only outdoors with a good light... which might be great for a photographer - but if I was a photographer I would use an actual camera tbh -, but for normal real life situations in which you don't have time to configure everything (especially if you want to take pictures of animals - i.e. my cats) and the light 90% of the times is not perfect... the Xperia performed worse imho.
EDIT: btw here's your proof. Luckily I sent the pics via Bluetooth to the new phone before selling the old one.
luis.manuel.cb said:
I have to say that coming from OnePlus 6 into Sony Xperia 5 II I totally agree that the camera in standard mode the OnePlus performs better.. but the manual mode in the Sony Xperia if you know about photography it definitely out performs the OnePlus 6.. I'll recommend reducing the brightness in the standard mode and you will see a better quality pic in the Sony Xperia.
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I didn't even noticed that I could reduce the brightness in standard mode, now I feel really dumb. Still, I would replace any day standard camera app with Marco's GCam...
KiraV said:
Same day, same time, around 10 minutes difference I think? What's the difference you're seeing? The Xperia makes everything much more pink-ish, if that's what you're referring to. Imho from how the light was irl the gcam got the most accurate colours, my room does have a kinda "washed out" light when it's cloudy and the lights are off.
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Apologies, I just took these background pictures as different, but its the same picture presuming different time.
My mistake.
As an avid photographer with a nice collection of bodies and lenses, I will say that I'm pleased with the pictures from the 5 II. I picked one up a few weeks ago to replace my P30 Pro. I definitely get better pictures from the Pro app than the Standard camera app. But, since I have a Sony ILC, I like the familiar interface, and you can learn to get good pictures from it quickly.
KiraV said:
Sony Xperia 5 II:
* standard camera, no tinkering
* pro camera, auto mode
* pro camera, P mode with HDR, no other tinkering
Oneplus 6:
* standard camera
* Marco's GCam 6.1 MJL v3.7 Miniflex, day mode, AWB off, no other tinkering
(Sorry for the un-professionality of the shots and the general mess.)
I'm finding the Xperia 5II camera and pro camera... underwhelming to say the least. I'm sure that pro camera, used by people who are used to more complex non-smartphone cameras can give great photos, but to less camera-savvy people like me the results are... terrible. Coming from a great gcam port that basically performed perfectly right out of the box (big kudos to Marco's amazing work), I find it pretty disappointing to see this.
I can only hope that a good gcam port comes out fast.
(The Xperia otherwise is a pretty darn good phone imho, aside from some minor annoying things that hopefully will be improved/fixed in next updates.)
(x-posted from my thread on r/SonyXperia)
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I'm coming from an OP6 and couldn't agree with you more. The 5ii auto focus on objects less than 6ft away is unbelievably bad. The detail in the 5ii pics are underwhelming compared to the OP6 GCAM.
I've decided to take my OP6 with me when I know I'm going to be taking pics.
Though it's off topic I totally regret getting the 5ii and could happily go back to my OP6. Gonna sell 5ii and get the next OnePlus when it comes out.
cdkg said:
I'm coming from an OP6 and couldn't agree with you more. The 5ii auto focus on objects less than 6ft away is unbelievably bad. The detail in the 5ii pics are underwhelming compared to the OP6 GCAM.
I've decided to take my OP6 with me when I know I'm going to be taking pics.
Though it's off topic I totally regret getting the 5ii and could happily go back to my OP6. Gonna sell 5ii and get the next OnePlus when it comes out.
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Well, you are not pro camera user. If you had any Sony DSLR you would know. Everything is in manual mode, not auto mode. The same situation is on Sony phones. I have XPERIA 1 II and after many updates photos from Camera app auto mode is much better, but still not good as iPhone 12 Pro Max auto mode. When I use Program Auto or Manual Exposure in Photo Pro and adjust setting result is different. Photos are much better taken with XPERIA 1 II. So, why did you buy XPERIA 5 II if you are not pro camera user? Sony philosophy is if you want to take full advantage from sensor and camera, use Photo Pro app : Auto mode for social networks, Program Auto if you are begginer, Shutter Priority for fast moving objects and Manual Exposure if you are camera pro user. Memory Recall is just for most used settings values and modes.
I've actually been pleased with low light photo quality of the standard camera app. Very close to my P30 Pro.
Unfortunately I completely agree that OP somehow delivers better photos than overhyped, much more expensive Xperia 5 II. I've got my Xperia 5 II just few days ago (didn't see the warning "For Pro Photographers only" on the box or anywhere else). Compared to my "old" Pixel 4, I'm disappointed so far. I clearly see that Pixel makes better pictures with zero efforts in all situations regardless of shakeness of my hands and photo skills. Certainly Xperia has focusing issues in some situations. I struggled to focus on objects with Xperia whereas I didn't with Pixel 4 at the same time. Xperia photos look soft / less sharp, blurry in not ideal conditions, hit or miss experience damn to often, horrible selfie camera etc. Going to spend some time with this phone (one month or so), give Xperia a chance to shine and then decide what to do. Thankfully I didn't sell my Pixel 4 yet...
It's all subjective, but to me the Xperia wins here. To my eyes the exposure is better, the white balance is better, the colors are more natural and overall it has a more realistic rendition (not overly sharpened). And the subtle bokeh its larger sensor gets is just icing on the cake.
Sony goes for naturalistic processing which I appreciate. People used to Samsung's bold processing might be let down initially.
u bought a phone has camera,not a camera which calls
A. With the plethora of resources I don't know why anyone would buy a Sony Xperia and be surprised at what they get. I wasn't. I looked at a lot of YouTube videos about Sony Xperias.
B. "U bought a phone has camera, not a camera which calls." I think I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure you're qualified to say what anyone bought except yourself. I was late to phones because I'm quite deaf and don't do phone calls but I'm also old and got tired of toting cameras and lens. I had a Pixel that took great photos and then a Huawei P30 that also took great photos but I was missing taking photos. I'm sure the phone was having fun but I wasn't. Their "pro" mode sucked. For example, in pro mode, their little white icons disappeared when I was taking photos on the white sand of the beach at Huatulco or the white stone pavement in Oaxaca. Now, I enjoy taking photos again with my Xperia.
C. If you want AI to take photos for you, don't get a Sony Xperia. If you actually enjoy photography, you might enjoy having a Sony Xperia. This is a Sony Xperia forum so I don't mind posting my opinion but I am in no way denigrating those who enjoy iPhones or Pixels or Pocos. Choices are great.
patrickt said:
A. With the plethora of resources I don't know why anyone would buy a Sony Xperia and be surprised at what they get. I wasn't. I looked at a lot of YouTube videos about Sony Xperias.
B. "U bought a phone has camera, not a camera which calls." I think I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure you're qualified to say what anyone bought except yourself. I was late to phones because I'm quite deaf and don't do phone calls but I'm also old and got tired of toting cameras and lens. I had a Pixel that took great photos and then a Huawei P30 that also took great photos but I was missing taking photos. I'm sure the phone was having fun but I wasn't. Their "pro" mode sucked. For example, in pro mode, their little white icons disappeared when I was taking photos on the white sand of the beach at Huatulco or the white stone pavement in Oaxaca. Now, I enjoy taking photos again with my Xperia.
C. If you want AI to take photos for you, don't get a Sony Xperia. If you actually enjoy photography, you might enjoy having a Sony Xperia. This is a Sony Xperia forum so I don't mind posting my opinion but I am in no way denigrating those who enjoy iPhones or Pixels or Pocos. Choices are great.
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i was surperised that someone really reply like i offend anyone.However, i am more pro sony than oneplus(even i had oneplus 1). Now i am holding Xperia5ii which i am satisfied the most in any android phone(sizewise Iphone12&13mini is better).
i personally buy this phone for its size which onehand controls fine.But more than that I prefer unlock the bootloader and put aosp roms instead of offical that drains the battery fast and laggy some how. So i may not buy this phone for the photos but can anyone buy this phone for other reasons?i dont think i am qualified to say the reason what anyone buys neither you are. But i think forum is a free place for any ideas and any opinions i assume. Good day with ur xperia although we love xperia for different reasons.

Question talk to me about the pixel 6 cameras.

ok the pixel6 has three cameras. the front camera is self explanatory. but the stock camera app is very lacking in into.
1. what is the picture spec of "medium" photo resolution vs "full"
2. why would i want to switch between the two back cameras and how do i do that?
3. there are 5 things on the back camera block, what are they in order from left to right?
4. what is .7 vs 1x vs 2x? is it optical zoom or digital zoom? and how do they get .7 zoom? shouldn't .7 be 1x and the others adapted .
and no googling for answers did not revel any info.
all anyone seems to want to talk about is the software picture tweaks not the hardware and how you can use it,
I can take pictures of squirrels (Tree rats) with the Google camera app.
And Opossums with the night vision.
Just add, I believe you need to have a Google account to access all of the cameras app features.
Imo, these questions are easily answered by most reviews. Here's a review that tells you a lot about the camera.
pixel 6 specs
1. Medium vs full is going to be the amount of compression used. I don't know why you wouldn't ever use full.
2. You have to switch between cameras if you want different zoom since they use fixed focal length lenses. One is .7x and the other is x1.
3. Left sensor is the 50MP (x1) sensor, next is the x7 sensor, next is the laser auto focus sensor, and then the flash and I believe a microphone is above the flash. Just use your finger to cover one of the cameras if you don't believe me.
4. The main camera is used for x1, that's a 50mp sensor that uses 4->1 binning so it produces 12.5MP images. The .7x is just uses a more zoomed out focal length than the main sensor (lower quality sensor too). x2 is digital zoom on the main x1 sensor.
Gibsonflyingv said:
Imo, these questions are easily answered by most reviews. Here's a review that tells you a lot about the camera.
pixel 6 specs
1. Medium vs full is going to be the amount of compression used. I don't know why you wouldn't ever use full.
2. You have to switch between cameras if you want different zoom since they use fixed focal length lenses. One is .7x and the other is x1.
3. Left sensor is the 50MP (x1) sensor, next is the x7 sensor, next is the laser auto focus sensor, and then the flash and I believe a microphone is above the flash. Just use your finger to cover one of the cameras if you don't believe me.
4. The main camera is used for x1, that's a 50mp sensor that uses 4->1 binning so it produces 12.5MP images. The .7x is just uses a more zoomed out focal length than the main sensor (lower quality sensor too). x2 is digital zoom on the main x1 sensor.
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And if you think that is Kool.
Try using an Endoscope camera with the P6.
It really worked well for me trying to see up inside the dash of a classic car. (86 Monte)

Question Any tricks on photo quality output improvement when shooting in harsh light conditions (on the beach on sunny day for example)?

Hello. Can someone reveal the secrets of getting usable photos when shooting in harsh (bright sunny day on the beach) light conditions? I found that Xperia 1 III is handling it pretty bad regardless of my Manual settings in PhotoPro mode. Cameras are just going crazy in these conditions and photos come out underexposed, with weird colours or oversaturated. Other much cheaper phones are doing better job than Xperia in the same conditions.
The automatic mode might be better. Sony's 'pro' modes are silly toys for marketing.
The real pro solution is a reflector, a high power flash, wait for a cloud to soften the light, or only shoot at dusk or dawn.
Other phones with better camera apps will sometimes produce strange artifacts applying HDR on people. It even outs illumination by the white sun, the cyan sky, and all nearby objects reflecting light onto the person. The camera app can only guess how to fix that collage of colors.
With only a cellphone, close-ups with the onboard flash or a soft folding reflector are your best bet.
kevinmcmurtrie said:
The automatic mode might be better. Sony's 'pro' modes are silly toys for marketing.
The real pro solution is a reflector, a high power flash, wait for a cloud to soften the light, or only shoot at dusk or dawn.
Other phones with better camera apps will sometimes produce strange artifacts applying HDR on people. It even outs illumination by the white sun, the cyan sky, and all nearby objects reflecting light onto the person. The camera app can only guess how to fix that collage of colors.
With only a cellphone, close-ups with the onboard flash or a soft folding reflector are your best bet.
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That silly toy pro mode made PRO photographers completely impressed. They said this is the phone that everyone should buy who's into photographing because it's a perfect replacement for your camera, if you don't have it with you, that fits in your pocket. Someone went out with just the Xperia 1 III to see if he can get those shots he used to get with his professional apparatus. And he could! You can shoot incredible photos if you know how to use it. I had no problems so far, I'm not a pro, never was into photographing, but I can make really good shots without any difficulties.
The Xperia 1 III Photo Pro app is toy with a serious looking skin. It doesn't have focus or clipping overlays like the manual modes of other phones. At best, you can digital-zoom in to adjust for the center of the image then zoom back out. Whatever you're trying to photograph is gone before you're done mashing your fingers against its clunky interface. The only worse app is Cinema Pro.
I own an a7R 3. There's absolutely no condition where the Xperia 1 III would be comparable.
Are you sure that you have the HDR on? In the manual mode you can select D-R OFF, DRO AUTO and HDR AUTO
kevinmcmurtrie said:
The Xperia 1 III Photo Pro app is toy with a serious looking skin. It doesn't have focus or clipping overlays like the manual modes of other phones. At best, you can digital-zoom in to adjust for the center of the image then zoom back out. Whatever you're trying to photograph is gone before you're done mashing your fingers against its clunky interface. The only worse app is Cinema Pro.
I own an a7R 3. There's absolutely no condition where the Xperia 1 III would be comparable.
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I think Xperia 1 III can't beat even the very first RX100. It's unfair comparison anyway. Smartphone is not a dedicated camera.

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