I've been removing bloatware that I see using `adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.the.app`. I think I may have removed "the wrong thing" because now I don't see the Battery setting in the settings list. I also don't see battery saver in the notification menu. There was a useful battery statistics page that showed what apps are using what percentage of the battery. I'd like to get that back.
Can anyone confirm what the package is that provides this functionality? I'll look at how to restore it (since I used the -k option I should be able to get it back).
Thank you.
There are dependencies. Can't recall all for that.
Maybe:
com.sec.android.sdhms
com.google.android.apps.turbo
You really need to know what you're uninstalling before you do it.
It's easier to use a Package Disabler if you want to experiment. It's possible to boot loop the device though if you go too nuts. Some of the "bloatware" just sits there using no resources until you need it and is in fact operationally useful.
blackhawk said:
There are dependencies. Can't recall all for that.
Maybe:
com.sec.android.sdhms
com.google.android.apps.turbo
You really need to know what you're uninstalling before you do it.
It's easier to use a Package Disabler if you want to experiment. It's possible to boot loop the device though if you go too nuts. Some of the "bloatware" just sits there using no resources until you need it and is in fact operationally useful.
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It's been difficult to find a guide that specifically lists the operationally useful ones to keep. I can only judge them by name and remove based on that. I try to be conservative. But lack of reliable guidance is frustrating.
Googling leads to a ton of different lists of "bloatware", all of them completely wrong. So there's no way for me to know what to trust. I think it would be fantastic if you could provide a list.
I did `cmd package install-existing PACKAGE_NAME` for each of the 2 packages you listed, and it didn't install anything, I think. `pm list` doesn't show them after I run the commands.
Here is something that should be a little more helpful. I generated two lists:
pm list packages -u
pm list packages
I diffed the two and here are the packages that were in the first list but not the second (should represent packages I uninstalled via `adb shell pm uninstall`:
Code:
package:com.samsung.android.fmm
package:com.samsung.android.service.livedrawing
package:com.samsung.android.visionintelligence
package:com.samsung.android.app.clockpack
package:com.samsung.android.app.reminder
package:com.samsung.android.bixbyvision.framework
package:com.samsung.android.app.galaxyfinder
package:com.sec.android.app.samsungapps
package:com.samsung.android.app.notes.addons
package:com.samsung.android.forest
package:com.samsung.android.lool
package:com.samsung.android.app.contacts
package:com.samsung.android.game.gametools
package:com.sec.android.app.myfiles
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent.dummy
package:com.samsung.android.app.watchmanagerstub
package:com.sec.android.gallery3d
package:com.sec.android.app.clockpackage
package:com.samsung.android.messaging
package:com.samsung.systemui.bixby2
package:com.samsung.android.authfw
package:com.sec.android.daemonapp
package:com.samsung.android.scloud
package:com.samsung.android.app.dressroom
package:com.samsung.android.beaconmanager
package:com.samsung.android.aremoji
package:com.samsung.android.app.routines
package:com.samsung.storyservice
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.service
package:com.sec.android.mimage.avatarstickers
package:com.samsung.android.arzone
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.mediashare
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpassautofill
package:com.samsung.android.ardrawing
package:com.samsung.android.allshare.service.fileshare
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.wakeup
package:com.samsung.android.game.gamehome
package:com.samsung.android.samsungpass
package:com.samsung.android.bixby.agent
package:com.samsung.safetyinformation
package:com.samsung.android.video
package:com.samsung.android.sdk.handwriting
package:com.samsung.android.app.spage
package:com.samsung.android.svoiceime
package:com.samsung.android.calendar
package:com.samsung.app.highlightplayer
package:com.samsung.android.homemode
package:com.samsung.android.app.settings.bixby
package:com.sec.android.easyMover.Agent
If there's anything in here that should be restored (especially if they are related to this battery app issue), please let me know. Thanks again.
Nothing that stands out.
The names can be quit different from their actual function. Worse there can be seemingly unrelated dependencies that will fail if it's needed associated apk is disabled.
Many times the trail/error method is needed to figure out what all a apk or service does.
It takes some time. Each device and user needs are different so each device needs to be customized by the user to work right. One list does not fit all.
I have about 86 packages disabled, about 6 are available immediately by using a PD's interactive widget on/off toggle.
Google play Services and Playstore are normally disabled except when because they're such troublemakers.
Google backup Transport, Framework, Firebase are always disabled.
I also use Karma Firewall to lock down a bunch of apks/services.
My stock N10+/Pie gets 7-11%@hr SOT now. At night using tap on AOD with phone, texting and internet enabled it uses >.5% battery per hour.
Current OS load is over a year old, still fast and very stable with little maintenance needed.
Took over a year for me to fully optimize it.
It's a learning process, but well worth it.
Could you provide some information on how you disable the items in your list? For example I google for disabling Firebase but nothing comes up.
I'm looking at adb logcat to see if something jumps out at me but so far most of it seems useless.
Google Firebase is under Settings, Google account. It collects all kinds of your usage data ie music, playlists, vids etc on your dime, allegedly for faster indexing.
This Disabler works:
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
blackhawk said:
Google Firebase is under Settings, Google account. It collects all kinds of your usage data ie music, playlists, vids etc on your dime, allegedly for faster indexing.
This Disabler works:
Home - Package Disabler
The only NON-root solution that let’s you disable any unwanted packages that come pre-installed / installed with your phone / tablet.
www.packagedisabler.com
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Thank you! How reliable is the disable bloat feature in the dashboard for Package Disabler?
Android.Addiction said:
Thank you! How reliable is the disable bloat feature in the dashboard for Package Disabler?
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What do you mean exactly?
It disables most.
I tried generating a current list but I'm having problems similar to yours
I need to play with it a bit.
Ok I made some progress on this issue. The app that I removed that caused this is:
Code:
com.samsung.android.lool
This is listed in this repo: https://github.com/khlam/debloat-samsung-android
The repository has this to say about the "Device Care" app:
The Device Care app will be disabled and will not appear in settings. This includes Samsung's app sleeper and battery monitor. There is evidence the Device Care app created by the Chinese company Qihoo 360 sends data to China domains over HTTP.
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Is there any other app I can use to analyze battery usage of applications on my tablet?
Android.Addiction said:
Ok I made some progress on this issue. The app that I removed that caused this is:
Code:
com.samsung.android.lool
This is listed in this repo: https://github.com/khlam/debloat-samsung-android
The repository has this to say about the "Device Care" app:
Is there any other app I can use to analyze battery usage of applications on my tablet?
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Device Care is a useful app. I use the original factory load version that came with my 10+.
It uses the suspected CCP spyware 360° cleaning app, which actually does a very good job. I simply firewall block it's untrustworthy a$$
Latter Device Care versions aren't as useful but still have needed settings toggles. After you set them you can disable it. I recommend you not use battery optimization or and of those toggles, only toggle on fast charging. This app doesn't use a lot of power as best I can tell as long as the battery optimizing toggles aren't enabled.
blackhawk said:
Device Care is a useful app. I use the original factory load version that came with my 10+.
It uses the suspected CCP spyware 360° cleaning app, which actually does a very good job. I simply firewall block it's untrustworthy a$$
Latter Device Care versions aren't as useful but still have needed settings toggles. After you set them you can disable it. I recommend you not use battery optimization or and of those toggles, only toggle on fast charging. This app doesn't use a lot of power as best I can tell as long as the battery optimizing toggles aren't enabled.
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I instead went with a separate app, AccuBattery, to monitor app battery usage. That way I'm not relying on potential malware from Samsung
Android.Addiction said:
I instead went with a separate app, AccuBattery, to monitor app battery usage. That way I'm not relying on potential malware from Samsung
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Accubattery can't do what Device Care does.
I use Accubattery too.
The newer versions dropped 360° so it's gone.
360° deep cleaning actually works very well and is probably no threat when firewall blocked. Which is why I still run the factory load version.
blackhawk said:
Accubattery can't do what Device Care does.
I use Accubattery too.
The newer versions dropped 360° so it's gone.
360° deep cleaning actually works very well and is probably no threat when firewall blocked. Which is why I still run the factory load version.
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What is 360?
Android.Addiction said:
What is 360?
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I still don't know what it actually is.
Android.Addiction said:
I still don't know what it actually is.
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It's a cleaning app Samsung use to license to use in Device Care. Unfortunately the Chinese company that owned it was data mining user data so Samsung ditched them.
So I just firewall block it... it works well otherwise.
blackhawk said:
Accubattery can't do what Device Care does.
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What exactly does Device Care (or 360) do that Accubattery doesn't? I'm trying to decide if I want to re-enable it, and any details you provide here will help me understand a bit better to make that decision. Thanks for everything so far.
Android.Addiction said:
What exactly does Device Care (or 360) do that Accubattery doesn't? I'm trying to decide if I want to re-enable it, and any details you provide here will help me understand a bit better to make that decision. Thanks for everything so far.
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The old Device Care with 360° effectively cleans system logs files and other hidden caches.
Cleans some things SD Maid doesn't seem to touch. If you load the old version simply block it with Karma Firewall which uses almost no battery, ad free.
Battery stats are much more detailed in Device Care. It also has easy power mode settings... play with it. No harm, no foul.
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Hi All
I'm trying to get my head around what Huawei have done with the "Launch" functionality. My naive understanding is that it's huawei's own attempt at greenify. Killing apps that are not being used... somewhat intelligently.
I'm wondering if this actually has any impact on battery at all, it certainly stops processes from launching and running.. notifications being missed etc.
Anyone have any ideas what this is actually doing, or if the setting is actually beneficial? I thought google was against this sort of practice when doze is their solution.
Secondly, the following apps are allowed to ignore battery optimisation out of the box:
Backup
Camera
com.huawei.hiviewtunnel
Email
Google Play Services
Google Services Framework
Health
HwLBSService
Screen recording
System update
Any one know if it is advisable to set these to don't allow ignoring of battery optimisations?
Thanks
alexs1mmo said:
Hi All
I'm trying to get my head around what Huawei have done with the "Launch" functionality. My naive understanding is that it's huawei's own attempt at greenify. Killing apps that are not being used... somewhat intelligently.
I'm wondering if this actually has any impact on battery at all, it certainly stops processes from launching and running.. notifications being missed etc.
Anyone have any ideas what this is actually doing, or if the setting is actually beneficial? I thought google was against this sort of practice when doze is their solution.
Secondly, the following apps are allowed to ignore battery optimisation out of the box:
Backup
Camera
com.huawei.hiviewtunnel
Email
Google Play Services
Google Services Framework
Health
HwLBSService
Screen recording
System update
Any one know if it is advisable to set these to don't allow ignoring of battery optimisations?
Thanks
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Allow none of them. Cause no harm
lawtq said:
Allow none of them. Cause no harm
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I'm wondering the same thing.
Are you sure that we can allow none of them app ?
I'm not allowing any apps that need to stay running (in the background) like Garmin Connect, Ad blocker, virus scanner and some more to avoid Huawei killing them. I see no difference in battery consumption.
sonydesouza said:
I'm wondering the same thing.
Are you sure that we can allow none of them app ?
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I've disallowed all of them. I don't see any problems
lawtq said:
I've disallowed all of them. I don't see any problems
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And did you see any improvments ?
sonydesouza said:
And did you see any improvments ?
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Tbh no. Lol. Battery is great no matter what. But no harm either
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
Merazomo said:
I included a screenshot of all the options I'm given on the Greenify Settings tab. I've always avoided using Greenify because it seems very difficult to use; however, I keep hearing about all the miracles it does as far as battery life so I want to give it a chance.
My confusion comes from the fact that out of all the Tutorials, Reviews, Articles, etc. I've seen and read on YouTube & Google, everyone either has an older version of Greenify than me, or the options are a little different. Some versions have more options than mine, and some fewer. Some have specific settings enabled, some disabled.
For example, some tutorials said to enable Aggressive Doze and Automatic Hibernation, some said to disable them.
I would appreciate it very much if someone with more knowledge on the subject could explain to me what some of these settings do, and which would be better.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
tnsmani said:
Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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Which version of Android are you running? If 7,8 or 9, most likely you will not need Greenify since Android itself handles the apps very well. Only apps which could not be controlled by Android and which drain battery excessively need control through Greenify or some similar app. Doze in these versions of Android is very capable.
If you want to know something more about this, search for posts from member Davey126 in https://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/greenify/beta-greenify-3-1-build-1-1-23-2017-t3544311 thread.
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I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
Davey126 said:
@tnsmani obviously received my check ...
Kidding aside, his guidance is spot on. If you decide to experiment further ignore all the options. They are largely refinements; defaults are fine for most. Simply respond to initial setup prompts (including the all important 'root' query), add 'offending' apps to the watch list and observe whether Greenify helps to reduce background activity.
Wait...you don't have any "offending" apps, do not know how to identify bad actors have no idea if you actually have a problem with excessive (operative word) battery consumption?? If so Greenify will only work as well as your perception of good/evil/impotent which is often an inaccurate measure of reality.
Sadly, Greenify does not have magical powers. That said, It is an effective tool to address a specific type of 'problem': reining in undisciplined app driven background activity...plus a few other gems outside the scope of this discussion. If your device is rocking Android 6/7/8/9/27 native doze does a fine job managing cranky apps that want to eat your battery any small children within a 10 foot radius. Best part: no confusing knobs and dials! It just works.
Enjoy your device.
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The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
Merazomo said:
I'll definitely give that post by Davey126 a read, thanks.
I'm using a Galaxy Note 4 with Android Marshmallow 6.0.1. The phone is not officially supported anymore obviously, but with ROOT, it's still a great phone even today.
My only issue that made me consider Greenify; I don't know if this is typical of Android, is that I charge my phone to 100% before I go to sleep, and when I wake up it's at 86%. The battery is brand new and the phone has been restored to factory settings to start fresh.
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On 6, you may require the help of Greenify but only after you identify the rogue app/s. Unless you sleep for 24 hours a day, your idle drain is high (14% during sleep).
Visit the BBS thread, learn how to create an idle dump, install latest BBS beta from the PlayStore, take an idle dump and post it in the BBS thread and ask for help.
Merazomo said:
The screenshot I posted are the default settings as of now for my version of 4.3.2.0 of Greenify on my Galaxy Note 4. Would it be okay to assume that if I leave "these" settings on default without changing anything, and all I do is start choosing application to hibernate that I don't use often or don't need push notifications from, it's a good start?
I do have to choose applications manually for Greenify to start working right? I keep looking at all these "Smart Hibernation" & "Automatic Hibernation" settings and my brain goes back to regular applications like the old App Managers that would start working in the background without me settings anything up or choosing applications.
I'll give your post a read as well, and see if I can learn something from it. For once, I wish I had an Android phone with good battery life like my last iPhone; it wouldn't loose any charge overnight. Loosing 14% battery life overnight without doing anything is a little annoying, but now that I've tried Android with ROOT, it's practically imposible to go back to IOS; specially with all the customizing I can do on my Note 4.
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Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
Davey126 said:
Reread previous post. Your first task is to identify which app(s), if any, are draining your battery while the device is idle. Adding apps to Greenify w/o justification is a fools errand and will likely increase overall power consumption vs reduce it. Let's keep it simple. What apps regularly appear near the top of the list in Android's battery page in settings?
There are very few "new" batteries for 4 year old devices. While you many have purchased it recently there is a very good chance it sat on the shelf for several years. Or was 'loaded' with substandard cells with less than stated capacity.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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The battery is good since I was still using Lollipop LOL not that long on my Note 4, and I felt it ran a lot cooler and battery would last longer than on Marshmallow, but app permissions were horrible in Lollipop; I had no control of my privacy whatsoever with apps.
The only top app on my battery apps list with 20% of the battery used overnight was ESPN. I don't even have push notifications enabled for this app, and I used it hours before I went to sleep and before I charged the phone. That might be the app that is harming my battery life. All the other apps are at 0.04% or less.
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ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
Davey126 said:
ESPN app would be an excellent candidate to Greenify. Add it to the 'watch' list and observe device behavior over 24-48 hours.
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Everything is as you said. Greenify's default settings are more than satisfying, specially since all I wanted to do was to find the culprit that was killing my battery.
After using BetterBatteryStats & Greenify, it turns out "ESPN" and "Samsung Peel Remote Control" are both using more battery life overnight as I sleep, than the "System" itself.
ESPN behaves as it should when I hibernate it; however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
Merazomo said:
... however, Samsung's Peel Remote wakes up overnight; it won't stay hibernated.
I've been trying to use the scissor's icon to prevent other apps from waking the Peel Remote, but it gives me a failed message.
At least now I know that my problem is not the battery or the phone.
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Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
Davey126 said:
Me thinks you should consider another app:
https://fossbytes.com/peel-remote-use-remove-smart-remote/
There are ways to tame the monster using perfectly legal advanced tools (MAT, SD Maid, etc.) but such discussion is beyond the scope of this thread.
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I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
Merazomo said:
I though I was the only one struggling with these apps. I installed an app that called AFWall+ though, that blocks Internet/Data access to the Peel Remote. I no longer get that annoying TV Guide, Ads, or VOD recommendations; just the ability to use it as a normal remote.
The last 3 days, I've only lost 5% battery life overnight with the Greenify & AFWall+ combination. If that keeps up, it's as good as it is going to get for me. If it changes back to 14%, I'm just going to uninstall Peel.
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First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
Oswald Boelcke said:
First and most important, it's exactly as @Davey126 stated directly above. Second in order to support your decision: For many years now, I use Greenify and AFWall+ Pro, and I confirm your observation. All of our telephones (we don't own an Android tablet etc.) achieve overnight battery drainages between 0.5 - 0.7%/h including network connection and some non-greenified apps. In airplane mode the drainage decreases to 0.2 - 0.3%/h. For quite some time till about a year ago, I also used tools like Amplify, PowerNap etc. until I realised it makes no sense to try to turn on these knobs i.e. to fight effects but not the causes - and more important I didn't gain any battery life by their utilisation.
BTW: If you're interested in trying a different firewall, NetGuard by M66B, very well known among all users interested in privacy, is an interesting alternative. Based on VPN and no-root required. The only reason why I stay with AFWall+ Pro and don't switch to NetGuard is Android's inherent limitation to only allow one VPN tunnel at a time. And as I always enable my own secure VPN connection with my RaspberryPi in our home network before I connect to mobile data or a foreign WiFi, I can't use NetGuard.
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Yeah, after doing much research online, it came down to NetGuard - NoRoot Firewall - Droidwall(now Avast) - Afwall+.
I chose Afwall+ because it seemed easier to use. The other apps seem more customizable if you know what you're doing, but for what I needed Afwall+ is more of a "click and save" type of app.
Davey126 said:
A software firewall (preferably VPN based) is an excellent way to block unwanted content and network communications including ads, tracking uploads and/or malicious downloads. I run some type of software firewall on every device I own. As for idle drain rates, I average 0.15-0.25%/hr on WiFi only tablets; 0.4-0.6%/hr on phones. Pretty consistent range regardless of brand, ROM or other variables. Greenify, which I use sparingly, is the only non-native power management tool in my arsenal. No silly alarm/wakelock squashing, doze tuners, etc. Mind your settings, behaviors and app portfolio. Pretty simple stuff. Depressing news for budding geeks with too much time on their hands.
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Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
Merazomo said:
Curiosity bricked a few of my phones over the years LOL. I guess it's human nature.
Reading through a bunch of threads when I still didn't know what Greenify was, there were a few discussions about being able to get "push notifications" when an app was still in hibernation.
How much truth is there to those statements? I have Instagram, Messenger, Facebook, etc. installed on my phone not because I use them constantly, but because it's the easier/cheaper way for my family to contact me.
It would be great to be able to hibernate all those apps, and still know when my family is trying to contact me, even if I have to manually hibernate the apps again afterwards.
Or did I read too much into it and mixed things up?
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Push notifications work with some Greenifed apps (must be GCM capable) but may be delayed by minutes/hours depending on Greenify settings, app design, GCM capabilities, availability of Xposed framework, timing of doze maintenance windows and a bunch of other variables. Best way to assess with your app portfolio is to try.
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
I did all this on my first day with the phone (early April) so I really don't have any way to compare performance or battery life before and after.
But I haven't had a single performance issue with this phone in over a month of use, and battery has been absolutely beastly.
(I think you've seen a comprehensive post I made in another thread of yours that shows my software environment and how I replaced pretty much everything (launcher, navigation gesture, live wallpaper, etc.) with third-party software that I prefer).
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I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
Mejilan said:
I used the ADB method. That said, some of the software (mostly pre-installed games) can be uninstalled normally, which is nice.
For the rest, I used ADB commands in Fastboot to remove them.
I was working mostly blind, since I hadn't seen anyone with a list, but I think I wound up nuking somewhere between two and three dozen system apps.
Sadly, I didn't write out a list. I tried to err on the side of caution and not nuke anything that sounded important.
Crap like the Game of Thrones game, CNN app and other news apps, radio apps, LG versions of stuff I was using Google apps of (most LG software, actually).
I left things like LG Home and LG Dual Screen installed. Obviously didn't touch System UI or anything that seemed critical.
I also removed some AT&T garbage I don't want or need.
I just Googled up generic instructions and winged it after that.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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What's the benefits to disabling all of this stuff? I've spent years debloating my devices and never actually noticed any benefit to it. It's a genuine question, as I'm deciding whether or not to do it myself as well
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For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
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Do you have the commands? I need to dump chrome as it keeps re-enabling itself and I absolutely HATE chrome. Keeps giving itself permissions I've denied it as well. This has been happening several times a day for about 4 days now
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I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
Mejilan said:
For one, it just gets rid of apps and icons for crap I never wanted to begin with. I know that most third-party launchers have options to hide apps, but I wanted a solution that was a tad more permanent (though without root, this isn't a 100% wiping of these apps. It's just the best we can manage without root). Since I tend to use Google's main suite of apps for most things, and replace things like my launcher, navigation gestures, and other critical parts of the software environment with third-party solutions, I don't really want a lot of overlapping apps that I'm never going to use. So nuking things like OEM or Carrier versions of Google apps is usually one of my first priorities. Also bull**** like Device Wellness apps, Carrier promotional apps and games, duplicate contacts, gallery, keyboard, dialer, email, contacts, calendar, messaging and browser apps. All that stuff goes. I have no use for two or three different versions of all these apps on my device. I love Chrome, Google Photos, the Google Dialer, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google's RCS-enabled Messaging app, etc.
So for me, it's to de-clutter and to make sure I don't have duplicate functionality potentially running in the background eating up system resources, RAM, or mobile data. As long as you don't accidentally nuke something critical to the system, there's no real harm in de-bloating, even if on modern flaghsips with beastly hardware and tons of RAM, there's little performance or battery life to be gained by doing so. If nothing else, I try to keep the number of installed apps in the low 100s, and this helps on that count.
I used the following guide:
https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/amp/
I believe I had the LG Mobile Drivers and Minimalist ADB & Fastboot already installed from my V30 days, so I skipped the first few steps, IIRC.
Or maybe I downloaded new versions and installed those. I don't remember anymore.
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Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this ?
Ryano89 said:
Back in my V20 days there was an app on the store for this. I'm assuming that's no longer the case? I have been using a rooted OnePlus for a couple of years so I'm out of the loop on this
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LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
Mejilan said:
LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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It does.. curiously look at the apps it shows disabled when I downloaded it. I disabled Android Auto and YouTube... But what the hell are this other apps? I didn't touch them
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I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
Mejilan said:
I think some of those, like the Android Device Wizard and LG Device Wizard are basically one-time apps that run whenever a phone is factory reset.
Basically, the new phone set-up screens and activations you went through when you first powered your device on after purchasing and receiving it.
They may be automatically flagged to disable themselves after that first-time run so that they don't continue to run anytime you reboot the device.
Honestly, that's just a guess, because I don't know.
I don't know about the rest of them, but you can probably Google them.
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I tried, there was no real useful information. I was just curious anyway
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I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough, GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
Mejilan said:
I did some quick research:
com.lge.gdec.client seems to be related to the LG G-DEC portal.
https://gdec.lge.com/memLogin.do?req_lang=en
I don't have a log-in, nor do I know how to procure one, but I highly suspect that this is NOT a consumer-level feature or portal.
Perhaps it's for LG developers or existing LG employees. But if it's not consumer-level, then it's not surprising that the service is disabled by default.
LG GCUV (com.lge.gcuv) seems to be related to yet another LG sign-in portal called, appropriately enough GCUV.
http://india.gcuv.lge.com/
This one seems to be specific to LG users (or developers or sales reps) in India, and it makes sense that it would be disabled on devices not intended for Indian markets.
Like G-DEC, I don't have a log-in for this, nor the means to procure one. I suspect this is another service that is not intended for everyday consumers.
I cannot find any information on Enabler Customizer (com.lge.smartenabler). Just questions about what it is here on XDA and on Reddit, with no one apparently knowing the answer.
So you might be asking yourself why system apps for services and log-ins not intended for consumers (or intended only for specific regions/markets) are doing on our phones?
The simple answer, most likely, is that they probably want to maintain and update as few system images as possible and thus, try to make them as homogenous as possible, disabling things not intended for this market or that market, as needed. Considering how slow LG typically are in releasing new updates for even their newest phones (let alone their older ones that have not yet technically seen support hit end-of-life), I'm OK with them trying to keep down the number of system images they need to work on. Especially if they pre-disable stuff not relevant to us without us needing to do it ourselves.
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Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
Ryano89 said:
Yeah I found those links but didn't really know what I was reading. I completely understand why they would be on all devices for ease of update and production. I just didn't know what they were
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Now I kind of want to know what they are as well.
If I had to take a guess, I'd say that they're intended for either LG developers, sales reps, or repair technicians, and that these disabled services facilitate the servicing of devices when needed.
Mejilan said:
LG Package Disabler, or some such? I think it's still around.
I've heard of it, though I've never actually used it.
Nor do I know if it's been updated to support the V60.
Edit - I think this is it. And there's one review that suggests that it works on the V60.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pdmdm.dmplay
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That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
pre4speed said:
That app basically does the same as disabling the apps. It won't stop Chrome from re-enabling every day. I'll try your adb commands next. So tired of that crap app doing this
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I imagine the ADB commands will work. I don't plan on disabling Chrome, because I use it every day.
But when you zap a package using Fastboot, the app will still actually show up in your Apps listing under Settings, but it'll have a "not installed" next to it.
If you do a factory reset, they'll all revert and you'd need to use the Fastboot ADB commands to nuke them again.
So they're kind of half-gone.
It's not quite as comprehensive as using root to completely delete them from the system partition.
But it's the best we've got outside of root.
I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
lendawg said:
Has anyone here uses package disabler pro or adb to remove bloatware and/or system apps? If so which apps did you disable/remove? Did it affect performance and/or battery life at all?
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cqqx2 said:
I can confirm this package disabler works to disable any app on the V60 which is literally the only thing I typically do when rooting now that I have adguard and youtube vanced... so I dont need root access anymore thanks to that package disabler app. The phone is also fast enough for me to not need access to any type of speed tweaking of the cpu or anything. This is the first phone I can use without root thanks to that dev.
I have significantly improved my charging speed issues and battery drain issues seem to finally drain at a normal rate rather than unexplainably quick. Everything I use still works, im experienced at minimal services tho from every device ive ever owned, pc and phone. Yes it does make a significant difference to not be running so many unnecessary processes.
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Do you have a list of what you disabled?
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Code:
<h>
<a class="java.util.ArrayList">
<string>com.android.LGSetupWizard</string>
<string>com.google.android.youtube</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.platform</string>
<string>com.android.dynsystem</string>
<string>com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox</string>
<string>com.lge.lgbroadcastradioservice</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcprovider</string>
<string>com.google.android.onetimeinitializer</string>
<string>com.lge.appbox.client</string>
<string>com.lge.quicktools</string>
<string>com.lge.mirrorlink</string>
<string>com.tmobile.m1</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteclient</string>
<string>com.lge.sui.widget</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.qms.service.connectionsecurity</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcconnectivity</string>
<string>com.quicinc.voice.activation</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.telephonyservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsstest</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.mytmobile</string>
<string>com.lge.lifetracker</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare.provider</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.uimremoteserver</string>
<string>com.google.ar.core</string>
<string>com.google.ar.lens</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace.engine</string>
<string>com.lge.pickme</string>
<string>com.ipsec.service</string>
<string>com.lge.diag.echolocate</string>
<string>com.android.carrierconfig</string>
<string>com.google.android.marvin.talkback</string>
<string>com.lge.launcher2.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.work.oobconfig</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.xgoogle</string>
<string>com.lge.smartshare</string>
<string>com.lge.icecontacts</string>
<string>com.android.egg</string>
<string>com.android.nfc</string>
<string>com.android.backupconfirm</string>
<string>com.lge.iftttmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.exchange</string>
<string>com.lge.wapservice</string>
<string>com.google.android.gm</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.tachyon</string>
<string>com.lge.nfwlocationattribution</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsslogsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.lgmapui</string>
<string>com.lge.lgworld</string>
<string>com.google.android.setupwizard</string>
<string>com.lge.gamelauncher</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qcrilmsgtunnel</string>
<string>com.facebook.services</string>
<string>com.android.printspooler</string>
<string>com.android.hotwordenrollment.okgoogle</string>
<string>com.android.dreams.basic</string>
<string>com.lge.gnsspostest</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.wellbeing</string>
<string>com.tmobile.pr.adapt</string>
<string>com.lge.abba</string>
<string>com.lge.cmas</string>
<string>com.lge.eula</string>
<string>com.lge.gcuv</string>
<string>com.lge.laot</string>
<string>com.lge.lms2</string>
<string>com.lge.jansky.service</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather.theme.optimus</string>
<string>com.lge.entitlementcheckservice</string>
<string>com.lge.gestureanswering</string>
<string>com.google.android.syncadapters.contacts</string>
<string>com.android.chrome</string>
<string>com.google.android.tag</string>
<string>com.lge.gnss.airtest</string>
<string>com.lge.signboard.settings</string>
<string>com.google.android.apps.walletnfcrel</string>
<string>com.lge.wifi.p2p</string>
<string>com.android.calllogbackup</string>
<string>com.google.android.partnersetup</string>
<string>com.lge.gallery.aodimagewidget</string>
<string>com.android.carrierdefaultapp</string>
<string>com.lge.gdec.client</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.remoteSimlockAuth</string>
<string>com.lge.wfcsettings</string>
<string>com.google.android.feedback</string>
<string>com.google.android.printservice.recommendation</string>
<string>com.android.managedprovisioning</string>
<string>com.lge.smartsharepush</string>
<string>com.lge.lgcontentsetting</string>
<string>com.lge.themeservice</string>
<string>com.tmobile.rsuadapter.qualcomm</string>
<string>com.ipsec.vpnclient</string>
<string>com.android.providers.partnerbookmarks</string>
<string>com.lge.qhelp.application</string>
<string>com.android.wallpaper.livepicker</string>
<string>com.facebook.system</string>
<string>com.ipsec.profile</string>
<string>com.lge.myplace</string>
<string>com.lge.hotspotprovision</string>
<string>com.lge.provider.signboard</string>
<string>com.lge.lgfota.permission</string>
<string>com.lge.lgaccount</string>
<string>com.lge.sizechangable.weather</string>
<string>com.google.android.projection.gearhead</string>
<string>com.lge.lgwallet</string>
<string>com.lge.eulaprovider</string>
<string>com.lge.bnr</string>
<string>com.lge.phonemanagement</string>
<string>com.qualcomm.qti.services.secureui</string>
<string>com.lge.smartdoctor.webview</string>
<string>com.lge.smartenabler</string>
<string>com.lge.cic.eden.service</string>
<string>com.google.android.gms.location.history</string>
<string>com.facebook.appmanager</string>
<string>com.lge.leccp</string>
<string>com.lge.music</string>
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Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
lendawg said:
Do you have a list of what you disabled?
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cqqx2 said:
I have the tmobile varient... This is the xml contents of the things I disabled for a stock experience. Note: I dont use google voice assistant or any pen input, nfc, or always on display... I also use youtube vanced for youtube and poweramp for music. Those are notable things I disabled imo, everything else is just added bloat to stock Android 10. Dont disable any LG Home apps as they power the navigation and also dual screens, this is safe you wont get any device bricking errors, you can always go back and toggle things on and off to your liking but this is the xml export of apps I disabled. You could copy and paste this and save as xml to import into the service disabler.
Again, all core phone features definately work like internet, messaging, phone calls, fingerprint, location, cameras, all of it as normal. There are a couple debatable apps like
com.lge.ia.task.smartsetting where I debate their impact on LGs battery management because I do believe it is possible for them to have added a particular app that improved on android 10s battery but for me im good with running with just things I know come with stock + dont break the system ui or dual screen functionality.
I just feel like companies with 1000s of employees force develop apps just to say they did something each week (+brag about in ads), and to act as if Google hasnt done a good enough job... usually companys have a couple solid apps but mostly bulky junk they think just because a phones specs are able to run a lot of things at once, its okay to toss in all kinds of extra code for the phone to have to deal with.
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Awesome thanks man!
No problem, I will update this later on this week. Whats funny is that was my stable backup but not my very latest tweaking, when I went to export my very latest list, the app has a button to enable all disabled apps and I accidentally pressed it, so I lost those settings but am working on making sure the very best options are enabled and disabled. I will be testing and tweaking to update this base list this werk to find the cleanest, performance and battery life... (by trying out before and after of certain debatable services)
If you use this list and find a feature is disabled you use and you dont know which app it was let me know (ex google assistant) I will let you know which apps you need to reenable.
Off the top of my head, device health services and qualcomms devicestatisticservice (id suggest disabling this one) and lgs smartcare are some apps that are debatable on whether or not they are best to enable or disable..
I play a lot of fortnite (I know I know) but its literally the most battery draining thing you can do especially when combined with a bluetooth controller at full brightness, so battery performance is easy for me to monitor.. Also I was having an absolute misreable time with this device before I came here and saw that nonroot package disabler program was a thing.
lendawg said:
Awesome thanks man!
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Hi admins
Why android system takes 52% of my battery? Is this normal?
Device: Samsung A10s running android 10 2/32
Thank you.
It's NOT Android OS itself that consumes this amount of battery charge.
My guess is that Android OS only takes ~10%.
The programs / services which run on top of Android OS are using device's CPU what is draining device's battery.
To get an idea what is actually running on your phone you use ADB and run the following commands
Code:
adb devices
adb shell top
or install & run BetterBatteryStats APK that allows users to monitor how the battery is being used by the operating system and apps.
go to the battery options and enable "adaptive power saving"
some of it surely is samsungs bloatware
you can remove them without root using adb commands
search for the apps that are most consuming
also enable developer options, and limit the background process to 2
jwoegerbauer said:
It's NOT Android OS itself that consumes this amount of battery charge.
My guess is that Android OS only takes ~10%.
The programs / services which run on top of Android OS are using device's CPU what is draining device's battery.
To get an idea what is actually running on your phone you use ADB and run the following commands
Code:
adb devices
adb shell top
or install & run BetterBatteryStats APK that allows users to monitor how the battery is being used by the operating system and apps.
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How about adb codes to reduce battery drain or some diy tricks cuz i already ysed greenify and still the same, any helps will be appreciated thank you sir❤
ZodiacFam said:
How about adb codes to reduce battery drain or some diy tricks cuz i already ysed greenify and still the same, any helps will be appreciated thank you sir❤
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greenify faitly useless...
battery drain also depends a lot on the device, some processors are more power hungry (even in idle) then others,
but some things help:
use 50% or less brightness, limit backgroud apps to 1 or 2 maximum, enable the adaptive battery mode
put all less frequent apps into sleep mode
debloat your device - and not only crap apps, use as little aps as you can
search for battery draining apps on your device that can be disabled or removed, for example the samsung "AASAservice"
and snapchat, tinder and other dating apps, any news app, facebook, streaming apps, microsoft apps etc. Use the website instead of the app whenever possible (this also fights telemetry)
widgets help draining battery, avoid using them as much as you can
disable bluetooth when you dont need it
and avoid getting your mobile phone hot - like leaving it on a cars dashboard, a place with direct sunlight, high temperature stresses the device, and drains more battery
cheers
Turn off all power management except screen/ power mode, set to optimize.
Android can manage it's self fine.
Clear Google Play Services clear its data as needed.
It can be disabled with a package blocker but is needed for gmail, Playstore; enable as needed.
Disable Google Backup Transport and Framework, clear their data as needed.
Disable all cloud stuff, carrier, Samsung, Google feedback.
Karma Firewall can be used to block the above system apks and reduce battery usage.
agonoize said:
some of it surely is samsungs bloatware
you can remove them without root using adb commands
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This statement is wrong: On non-rooted devices you by means of ADB can only hide apps to user, but not remove them, hence they still last on storage memory.
WhatsApp is half the problem...
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This statement is wrong: On non-rooted devices you by means of ADB can only hide apps to user, but not remove them, hence they still last on storage memory.
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i currently have a samsung A01, and my mobile is not rooted, yet i removed all apps i do not want, including system apps, all google apps aside from playstore, i do not recall the exact numbers but i did get more space afterwards
if i try the command to enable them it fails telling me the app does not exist, if i look trough adb shell pm list packages the ones i 'uninstalled' are not listed, the apps are really gone
so maybe it depends on the brand and model? on some it can be done, on others not?
although i tought it could be done on all of them
agonoize said:
i currently have a samsung A01, and my mobile is not rooted, yet i removed all apps i do not want, including system apps, all google apps aside from playstore, i do not recall the exact numbers but i did get more space afterwards
if i try the command to enable them it fails telling me the app does not exist, if i look trough adb shell pm list packages the ones i 'uninstalled' are not listed, the apps are really gone
so maybe it depends on the brand and model? on some it can be done, on others not?
although i tought it could be done on all of them
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Code:
adb uninstall
internally runs
Code:
pm uninstall
So
Code:
adb uninstall --user 0 com.android.service
internally runs
Code:
pm uninstall --user 0 com.android.service
Bloatware housed in /system/priv-app obviously can get tracelessly removed, but surely not all that what is located in /system because essential apps in /system have FLAG_SYSTEM set. I'm pretty sure those apps can't get removed without root rights. But as always: I may err.
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Bloatware housed in /system/priv-app obviously can get tracelessly removed, but surely not all that what is located in /system because essential apps in /system have FLAG_SYSTEM set. I'm pretty sure those apps can't get removed without root rights. But as always: I may err.
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well now i am really curious about this, is there some adb command to check? or an app? to verify if they are really gone?
i know for sure the unbloated uses 0.3 less ram and about 2gb less storage space
thanks
jwoegerbauer said:
Bloatware housed in /system/priv-app obviously can get tracelessly removed, but surely not all that what is located in /system because essential apps in /system have FLAG_SYSTEM set. I'm pretty sure those apps can't get removed without root rights. But as always: I may err.
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well now i am really curious about this, is there some adb command to check? or an app? to verify if they are really gone?
i know for sure the unbloated uses 0.3 less ram and about 2gb less storage space
thanks
You use Android's package manager (pm) tool to perform actions and queries on app packages installed on the device.
Synthax:
Code:
adb shell "pm list packages [options] filter"
agonoize said:
well now i am really curious about this, is there some adb command to check? or an app? to verify if they are really gone?
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Nothing will go away really. Root access is needed if making changes into the system. They are just hiding from the current user.
agonoize said:
greenify faitly useless...
battery drain also depends a lot on the device, some processors are more power hungry (even in idle) then others,
but some things help:
use 50% or less brightness, limit backgroud apps to 1 or 2 maximum, enable the adaptive battery mode
put all less frequent apps into sleep mode
debloat your device - and not only crap apps, use as little aps as you can
search for battery draining apps on your device that can be disabled or removed, for example the samsung "AASAservice"
and snapchat, tinder and other dating apps, any news app, facebook, streaming apps, microsoft apps etc. Use the website instead of the app whenever possible (this also fights telemetry)
widgets help draining battery, avoid using them as much as you can
disable bluetooth when you dont need it
and avoid getting your mobile phone hot - like leaving it on a cars dashboard, a place with direct sunlight, high temperature stresses the device, and drains more battery
cheers
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Oh when you say "limit background apps to 1 or 2" what does it means and how would i do it?
ZodiacFam said:
Oh when you say "limit background apps to 1 or 2" what does it means and how would i do it?
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You can do that in Developer Options. Or simple close apps out when done with them.
Some apps may refuse to do so and run in the background instead, connecting with the internet a few times a minute. Brave browser does this sometimes and force stopping it is the only thing that works. Swell.
blackhawk said:
Turn off all power management except screen/ power mode, set to optimize.
Android can manage it's self fine.
Clear Google Play Services clear its data as needed.
It can be disabled with a package blocker but is needed for gmail, Playstore; enable as needed.
Disable Google Backup Transport and Framework, clear their data as needed.
Disable all cloud stuff, carrier, Samsung, Google feedback.
Karma Firewall can be used to block the above system apks and reduce battery usage.
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By carrier you mean carrier services? What is its function?
I'm trying to permanently view the controls for the app "Listen Audiobook Player" to my lock screen.
But it only remains there whilst the audio is playing or for a short period after the audio stops.
The app's controls are permanently displayed in the drop down notification window. Also the app isn't restricted by any battery management either.
Other apps like "VLC" don't "stick" either, they all time out. I'm not sure if it's an Android 12 - One UI4 feature or it's not configured correctly.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Android 12 is more a buggered Apple than Android
Try clearing the system cache.
Is it a clean load clean; no SmartSwitch transfer, etc?
If only some apps are doing it, it may be the apps themselves.
You could try installing either Digi Clock or One Handed Operation plus (both great to have apps) and then set a short cut to the app with them as a workaround.
blackhawk said:
Android 12 is more a buggered Apple than Android
Try clearing the system cache.
Is it a clean load clean; no SmartSwitch transfer, etc?
If only some apps are doing it, it may be the apps themselves.
You could try installing either Digi Clock or One Handed Operation plus (both great to have apps) and then set a short cut to the app with them as a workaround.
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Thank you for the suggestions, but they didn't work.
Cleaned cache in Recovery Mode. No transfers active.
I didn't install Digi Clock, but creating a shortcut in One Handed Operation +, I just got a prompt to unclock the phone before I could run the app.
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Thank you for the suggestions, but they didn't work.
Cleaned cache in Recovery Mode. No transfers active.
I didn't install Digi Clock, but creating a shortcut in One Handed Operation +, I just got a prompt to unclock the phone before I could run the app.
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Unclock the phone?
You're rooted? Did you remove, block or disable any of the numerous Samsung system apks?
They were added since Pie to preserve the UI appearance and functionality at least this is true with Android 10 with Samsung's.
In the Android 10 UI alone there are close to 100 new ones I believe, too numerous to count. I was amazed when I first compared it to my other N10+ running on Pie.
The N10+ Q variant appears to be fast and stable though. I left almost all of the new Samsung System apks alone to preserve functionality/usability. Oddly the newer N10+ looks and behaves almost identically to the Pie variant. As fast, maybe faster with near the same battery usage. Scoped storage appears to be dormant in the Q variant at least with older apps... I didn't expect that.
blackhawk said:
Unclock the phone?
You're rooted? Did you remove, block or disable any of the numerous Samsung system apks?
They were added since Pie to preserve the UI appearance and functionality at least this is true with Android 10 with Samsung's.
In the Android 10 UI alone there are close to 100 new ones I believe, too numerous to count. I was amazed when I first compared it to my other N10+ running on Pie.
The N10+ Q variant appears to be fast and stable though. I left almost all of the new Samsung System apks alone to preserve functionality/usability. Oddly the newer N10+ looks and behaves almost identically to the Pie variant. As fast, maybe faster with near the same battery usage. Scoped storage appears to be dormant in the Q variant at least with older apps... I didn't expect that.
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Yes, unlock the phone with fingerprint scanner. The shortcut won't run otherwise.
No, not rooted.
Yes, I've removed things like Samsung Free and other ones I don't use with ADB. I've used battery management to restrict (i.e. not unrestricted or optimised) most apps, inc. the Samsung ones. Which makes the OS think they're disabled.
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Yes, unlock the phone with fingerprint scanner. The shortcut won't run otherwise.
No, not rooted.
Yes, I've removed things like Samsung Free and other ones I don't use with ADB. I've used battery management to restrict (i.e. not unrestricted or optimised) most apps, inc. the Samsung ones. Which makes the OS think they're disabled.
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You may have inadvertently removed a needed parent app or app that had dependencies. The names can be misleading. Many just sit there and do nothing unless needed. Be careful with the Samsung system apps...
Try disabling all power management.
Using it will cause erratic behavior.
Deal with power hogs on a case by case basis.
To verify it's disabled; Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is enabled (power management can't be disable here).
In Device Care only fast charging should be toggled.
I use Package Disabler as it's easier to use, works on the fly, and can be used for troubleshooting. Able to clear system app data and leave no null marks. I have about 80 apps permanently blocked, 7 that I sometimes use.
blackhawk said:
You may have inadvertently removed a needed parent app or app that had dependencies. The names can be misleading. Many just sit there and do nothing unless needed. Be careful with the Samsung system apps...
Try disabling all power management.
Using it will cause erratic behavior.
Deal with power hogs on a case by case basis.
To verify it's disabled; Developer options>standby apps, all buckets should show as active otherwise power management is enabled (power management can't be disable here).
In Device Care only fast charging should be toggled.
I use Package Disabler as it's easier to use, works on the fly, and can be used for troubleshooting. Able to clear system app data and leave no null marks. I have about 80 apps permanently blocked, 7 that I sometimes use.
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Thank you very much for the advice. I'll do some more investigating.
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Thank you very much for the advice. I'll do some more investigating.
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You are welcome.
Another thing you can try is rolling back updates to the factory loaded versions* especially on the Samsung system apps.
Samsung Experience comes to mind. Updates tend to break things. It could also be a custom Galaxy theme that's incompatible if you loaded one.
Play with it... you'll eventually find the cause. Samsung's can be handful but their UI is my favorite... fast, very stable and extremely customizable. Nothing like the old TouchWiz.
Samsung's should to be optimized* to get the most out of them.
Lol, the first things I kill are little bixby and firmware OTA updates. Bixby Vision and Vision Framework however are needed for reading UPC and barcodes with the cam... dependencies.
Also try a Google search for your issue and include the Samsung Members forum in that search. Solutions can sometimes be found there.
*I use ApkExport to make copies of all my apps and updates. It has saved me more then once.
Get a .5tb OTG flash stick to do "dirty" critical data backups and restores for your internal memory. Keep at least 2 additional hdd copies as well that are physically/electronically isolated from each other and the PC to avoid data loss.
**it's trial and error until you get the hang of it.
blackhawk said:
You are welcome.
Another thing you can try is rolling back updates to the factory loaded versions* especially on the Samsung system apps.
Samsung Experience comes to mind. Updates tend to break things. It could also be a custom Galaxy theme that's incompatible if you loaded one.
Play with it... you'll eventually find the cause. Samsung's can be handful but their UI is my favorite... fast, very stable and extremely customizable. Nothing like the old TouchWiz.
Samsung's should to be optimized* to get the most out of them.
Lol, the first things I kill are little bixby and firmware OTA updates. Bixby Vision and Vision Framework however are needed for reading UPC and barcodes with the cam... dependencies.
Also try a Google search for your issue and include the Samsung Members forum in that search. Solutions can sometimes be found there.
*I use ApkExport to make copies of all my apps and updates. It has saved me more then once.
Get a .5tb OTG flash stick to do "dirty" critical data backups and restores for your internal memory. Keep at least 2 additional hdd copies as well that are physically/electronically isolated from each other and the PC to avoid data loss.
**it's trial and error until you get the hang of it.
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I really appreciate you taking the time to help.
Thank you