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Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score. Not to mention, the Droid Ultra has a WORSE chipset than the DNA's yet it gets a significantly higher 3DMark score?..
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
rejectedjs said:
Compared to other Snapdragon S4 Pro phones like the Nexus 4, Sony Xperia Z, and others, why is gaming performance and graphics benchmarking performance extremely slow compared to the scores on apps and games like Asphalt 8, 3DMark, and the newly released Anomaly 2 Benchmark? On Asphalt 8, sometimes my fps can dip all the way to 15 or so, on 3DMark I ran the offscreen "Unlimited" test and got over 6000 while the Nexus 4 got near 11k. I ran the Anomaly 2 Benchmark last night and got a bronze score on high of like 120k, and I was reading how everyone's HTC One and Nexus 4 were getting close to or over 200k. I understand the HTC One has a Snapdragon 600, and that the nexus 4 has a 720p screen in comparison to the DNA's 1080p, but from the looks of it, Asphalt 8 renders in 720p, and the 3DMark Unlimited test is off screen, so it directly tests the chipset. Does anyone have any explanation as to why the DNA performs the way it does? According to the 3DMark leaderboards, it has the second worst average Adreno 320 GPU score.
Also, if it helps, I'm running pio_masaki's CARBONrom build 9.23 Android 4.3 and using crpalmer's 4.3.3 kernel.
Thanks to any help and explanation!
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What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
RLGL said:
What are the scores ( that mean nothing ) on other roms and also when the phone is running the stock VZW rom?
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Ive only ran 3DMark when I was on stock ROM, considering A8 and the A2 Benchmark weren't out then, and on the Extreme test on 3DMark I used to always hit 5.9k or below, now I get about 61xx. On other ROMs, especially the NOS M7 port, or any M7 port for that matter, I always got way worse performance through both gaming and benchmarks.
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
raichur0xx0rz said:
I thought the 2013 Droids and the Moto X had a modified S4 Pro chip? Not necessarily worse, but tweaked? That could explain the performance boost, as I believe it outperforms the S4 and HTC One's Snapdragon 600.
I would suspect actual gaming performance would take a hit because of the screen, but I cannot give a reason behind the offscreen benchmarks, as I do not know how they test the chip.
You brought up the Nexus 4 a lot (as I assume you have owned it), but what are numbers like on the Z or Optimus G?
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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I've never owned a nexus 4, but I have seen many videos and results of it outperforming the DNA when it comes to gaming. The LG Optimus G performs lower in every benchmark in 3DMark compared to the DNA, while the Xperia Z performs faster in comparison to the DNA.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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1080p vs 720p displays.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
Slow?
I've owned the DNA since launch (a launch model and a replacement w/ the Verizon update pre-installed). My original was rooted with S-OFF. My current is stock. I have never heard the word slow and the Droid DNA in the same sentence. I have a 2013 Nexus 7, which I believe is also a S4 Pro, and when comparing the two, my Nexus has has more non responsive moments than my phone. My DNA has been a champ for close to a year now. The only drawback is battery life, but that's not the topic of this conversation.
You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
He did mention lower framerates on Asphalt 8.
I think he's mainly concerned about gaming performance, as we now have some fairly demanding games on the market. I don't play games on my phone, so I can't really give any examples of my experience...
Otherwise, regardless of benchmark numbers, I think 2012+ phones have such advanced internals that day-to-day basic usage of the device will be fine.
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You mention benchmarks are low on the DNA but does the phone feel slow? I'm also on Carbon with crpalmers kernel and although the benchmarks are lower than stock it feels so snappy and responsive, that's why I don't put much weight on benchmark scores..
You also mention slow gaming performance but didn't explain if this is based on benchmarks or actual experience.
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Games like Asphalt 8, I can understand having a drop to a lower framerate, however, even when playing Dead Trigger on High on my current kernel and ROM setup, when turning the camera, I experience immense framerate drops, to even like, 11 or so. I honestly don't understand why the DNA is so under performing. I do a lot of gaming on my DNA, and early benchmarks when the phone was first released revealed better scores than the Nexus 4, but now it seems like the exact opposite. I can't even keep a decent frame rate on Real Racing 3.
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I'm sure there is a more in depth reason than that considering the Optimus G has a quad core processor w/ an Adreno 320, while the Droid Ultra has the same setup except with a dual core, and it performances nearly twice as fast than the OG in 3DMark. Both have 720p displays.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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The amount of cores really does not matter unless you're using a bunch of intensive programs at once. Most of the time you're only using 1 or 2 cores.
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You're failing to understand my point here. My main question in this thread is, if all these devices use the exact same GPU, and most of them, the exact same chipset, why do the Adreno 320s in phones like the Nexus 4, the Xperia Z, Droid Ultra, how do those outperform the GPU in the DNA by so much? Even in real world performance. In real racing 3, a nexus 4 can get like a good average 30 FPS, on my DNA, I'm lucky to see FPS Meter hit 30 once.
I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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I don't know why you're mentioning the nexus 4 as having better benchmarks, the n4 tends to get pretty low scores with everything due to thermal throttling. Also, look at the benchmarks for the 2013 n7, they're also on the low side for an s4 pro.
Edit: never mind, I see you already addressed that.
As far as real world performance with gaming and such, I think it's a combination of the 1080p screen and the fact that sense is resource intensive. Also I think most s4 pros are clocked at 1.7 instead of 1.5 like us, don't quote me on that though.
On aosp Roms the problem is that we don't get to use the proprietary drivers that HTC does. Kind of like using Linux's open source graphics drivers vs proprietary and or nvidia ones. I haven't had very good gaming performance on any aosp ROM, especially the 4.3 ones.
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This is the type of information I'm talking about. I don't know more about Android other than flashing zips, but I never knew that we're basically running off of a generic driver. It's literally about the same as me installing a new GPU in my desktop and running off of Microsoft's OEM display driver? If so, how much better would gaming be if the upcoming HTC One Dev Edition 4.3 update was ported to the DNA as a flashable rom? I did notice that the NOS HTC One GE rom on 4.2.2 had a lot better performance than all other 4.2.2 roms. If the HTC One Google Edition's 4.3 was ported to the DNA, it'd be running off of Qualcomm proprietary drivers? If so, I absolutely cannot wait.
Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Yeah, it's kind of similar to that. Obviously the devs tailor to the specific device as best they can but the fact is that with the majority of phones AOSP roms will have lower performance in a lot of situations and there will be some features that will never work, such as HDMI on the GS3 for the reason I just stated. So it's kind of just a trade-off of whether you want buttery smooth performance or infinite customizability. I've been running NOS's GPE rom with Beastmode the past few days and the gaming performance is awesome, and yes it is running off HTC's proprietary drivers as will 4.3. I'll end up switching back to a CM-based rom though sooner or later though, nothing beats the customization... I really wish we could dual boot these things.
I hope I'm not spreading false information here, I'm not a developer, this is just my understanding of it through various things I've read on the subject.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Huh..NOS GPE w/ Beastmode? I tried that kernel, only on pure M7 ports though, and gaming performance was absolutely awful. I'll try your setup, I'll report back to see how it is.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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Well... I might not be as much of a phone gamer as you so YMMV. I mostly use my PC and my nexus 7 for that.
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On 3DMark, my scores are higher than the average for any device with an Adreno 320 GPU, on all three tests Thanks dude, I absolutely cannot wait for a 4.3 update!
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resolution has alot to do with graphic performance. Using a high resolution can have a big toll on a graphic chip and thats true with any kind of computer, tablet or smartphone. the reason the Droid ultra and Nexus 4 run smoother in games because the resolution is lower. Simple as that. Dont know about the Xperia Z. 720 vs 1080p. Thats a 25% increase in resolution. It wont be appearant on most games but on high gpu powered games you will start to notice fps drops.
I received my Nexus 6P last night and it appeared perfect build , but I am not impressed so I first of all am asking for your results with benchmarks I did but my experience so far:
"Just received my Nexus 6P and took some pictures comparing to the Shamu and without a doubt the Shamu had better lighting and overall detail. In addition, the speaker was louder and demonstrated more of a stereo presence than the 6P. I felt that the performance of accessing and opening apps was just as good if not better with the Shamu and that lead me to run the Antutu benchmark and the results were telling.
In the Antutu, both were run with no applications loaded and the difference was more than 13K in favor of the Shamu ?? 52+ vs 39
As if that was not enough I ran Geekbench 3 and the results were even more dramatic. 1064 single core 3273 multi / 726 single 2882 multi
What this experience so far has led me to believe is that either I have a very good Shamu OR the Nexus 6P is defective
What are your results so far with your benchmarks and it would be good if you also have a Nexus 6 Shamu to compare as well.
I frankly was very shocked with the camera performance and now the benchmarks.. Is this phone defective and need an RMA or ???
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I received my Nexus 6P last night and it appeared perfect build , but I am not impressed so I first of all am asking for your results with benchmarks I did but my experience so far:
"Just received my Nexus 6P and took some pictures comparing to the Shamu and without a doubt the Shamu had better lighting and overall detail. In addition, the speaker was louder and demonstrated more of a stereo presence than the 6P. I felt that the performance of accessing and opening apps was just as good if not better with the Shamu and that lead me to run the Antutu benchmark and the results were telling.
In the Antutu, both were run with no applications loaded and the difference was more than 13K in favor of the Shamu ?? 52+ vs 39
As if that was not enough I ran Geekbench 3 and the results were even more dramatic. 1064 single core 3273 multi / 726 single 2882 multi
What this experience so far has led me to believe is that either I have a very good Shamu OR the Nexus 6P is defective
What are your results so far with your benchmarks and it would be good if you also have a Nexus 6 Shamu to compare as well.
I frankly was very shocked with the camera performance and now the benchmarks.. Is this phone defective and need an RMA or ???
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I never owned the nexus 6, so I can't speak to its strengths or weaknesses, but I can tell you that so far I've been thoroughly impressed by the 6p. For me it's been an incredibly smooth phone, with really nothing to complain about, and I'm tough to please when it comes to phones.
Well it appears that your 2 scores are really much better than what I have seen after running repeats of the tests.
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Well it appears that your 2 scores are really much better than what I have seen after running repeats of the tests.
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If you're running test after test then the phone will be throttling and giving lower scores.
painfree said:
I received my Nexus 6P last night and it appeared perfect build , but I am not impressed so I first of all am asking for your results with benchmarks I did but my experience so far:
"Just received my Nexus 6P and took some pictures comparing to the Shamu and without a doubt the Shamu had better lighting and overall detail. In addition, the speaker was louder and demonstrated more of a stereo presence than the 6P. I felt that the performance of accessing and opening apps was just as good if not better with the Shamu and that lead me to run the Antutu benchmark and the results were telling.
In the Antutu, both were run with no applications loaded and the difference was more than 13K in favor of the Shamu ?? 52+ vs 39
As if that was not enough I ran Geekbench 3 and the results were even more dramatic. 1064 single core 3273 multi / 726 single 2882 multi
What this experience so far has led me to believe is that either I have a very good Shamu OR the Nexus 6P is defective
What are your results so far with your benchmarks and it would be good if you also have a Nexus 6 Shamu to compare as well.
I frankly was very shocked with the camera performance and now the benchmarks.. Is this phone defective and need an RMA or ???
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Are both your phones encrypted? Because the 6p is encrypted default. Also benchmarks are notoriously unreliable. Snapdragon 810 (6p) is 64 bit while Snapdragon 805 (6) is 32 bit comparing the two accurately may prove difficult. Many other things are different about the two devices. Things that make the nexus 6 undesirable, in my opinion.
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Also this http://m.pocketnow.com/2013/07/23/benchmark-scores
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Agree about benchmarks as a rule but since with the identical apps loaded on both units, the N6P was not performing as smoothly as the Nexus 6 and with the faster RAM I expected more smoothness and thus my questions. Both are encrypted . I will say the HDR is more effective on the 6P and running the speed test on Ookla I get better scores with the 6P . Although the speakers on the Shamu are both louder and demonstrate more of a stereo presence, I am waiting for my case to arrive before I put the SIM in and take the 6P outside to see how it performs as a phone for after all that is really what I need (Better T Mobile performance).
As a non-related side note, the Nexus 5 was worthless inside the house with T Mobile and the Shamu is usable on the LTE. I will see how the 6P performs.
There's a dedicated benchmark thread you can ask about this in... Here,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/benchmarks-t3239734
No need for another. :good:
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I've recently laid my eyes on this phone due to its very convenient price and set of features I, however, am a bit bummed out by the chipset which is a Snapdragon 730g instead of the latest Snapdragon 765g found on devices of similar prices (which however lack other features hence my dilemma).
My 1st question is how is the performance generally speaking currently? Are they any noticeable slowdowns or I'm just over-thinking this?
My 2nd question is can this phone be overclocked and or undervolted? I'm asking this as I know every SOC is a bit generous with stock voltages for the frequencies they pick, so I was wondering if there are apps to lower the voltages per each frequency bin to get the most battery out of it or vice-versa, get the most performance out of the stock voltages. (I currently do this on my S7 with great results however it's just an old phone at this point hence why I'm looking at this Xiaomi)
Thanks in advance for all the answers!
We need custom kernels to be able to over/ under volt, which we currently dont have. The kernel sources were released not long ago, from what i know developers are currently working on custom kernels which will be released soon.
Performance wise, its ok. Not great but does the job especially on aosp roms as miui is ram heavy (which Mi note 10 lite has plenty of).
it's not needed and only placebo nowadays.
miui isn't ram heavy at all. I've a few apps in autostart and max. 3.2gb ram in use.
I recently went from a oneplus 5 to the nord 200 when I switched to t-mobile because of the free promotion. Before I got it I did a little bit of research on the processor and storage speed and didn't expect much of a difference in performance because the snapdragon 480 seems to be fairly powerful and the nord has the same UFS 2.1 storage as my old phone.
I was pretty disappointed to find in my use the phone about 1/2 the time the phone was pretty sluggish in the general user experience and app launch times were significantly longer. May be placebo, but I disabled digital wellbeing, and all the tmobile bloatware and it may have helped a little. I remember reading oneplus heavily throttled some of their phones in recent history. I may switch back to my old phone.
I know the device is relatively new, do you guys think it will get better with software updates or is this just how it is?
I found turning on "Mobile data always active" in the developer options massively improved performance in my apps (at least where online load times and download speeds in-game were concerned)
Did you just get your phone recently? After setting up this phone for the first time, I also noticed the device was extremely slow, with all the app and software updates happening in the background. After all the updates were installed, I turned the phone off for about a day, and performance went to normal. It's not as fast as a flagship and there are minor hiccups here and there, but that's about what I expected from a 400 series SoC.
My original report was the day after I set everything up, I disabled the permissions for the launcher which did improve the responsiveness of the launcher, but application performance and launch times are still slow compared to my old device and not what I would expect from a phone of this spec.
I'm pretty confident this phone is a victim of oneplus' recently reported throttling for battery life. I was curious and compared geekbench scores (which aren't throttled under oneplus' list) and both the nord and my oneplus 5 got fairly similar scores for both cpu and compute. I tried out a browser benchmark motionmark which benches graphics performance. The nord got a 25 and the oneplus 5 got a 189... I ran the test again to make sure but got similar results.
That graphics should be coming from gpu and not cpu though....
I tested cpu and compute on geekbench, compute is a measure of gpu performance. The nord scored a little higher than the 5 in that.
I would assume oneplus' throttling would effect cpu and gpu but even if not, my oneplus 5 scoring almost 8x as high does not seem anywhere near normal
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I recently went from a oneplus 5 to the nord 200 when I switched to t-mobile because of the free promotion. Before I got it I did a little bit of research on the processor and storage speed and didn't expect much of a difference in performance because the snapdragon 480 seems to be fairly powerful and the nord has the same UFS 2.1 storage as my old phone.
I was pretty disappointed to find in my use the phone about 1/2 the time the phone was pretty sluggish in the general user experience and app launch times were significantly longer. May be placebo, but I disabled digital wellbeing, and all the tmobile bloatware and it may have helped a little. I remember reading oneplus heavily throttled some of their phones in recent history. I may switch back to my old phone.
I know the device is relatively new, do you guys think it will get better with software updates or is this just how it is?
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Same experience here, i picked up this phone expecting at least a decent experience but still get bad slow not usable for everyday tasks sometimes.
Im not expecting a flagship performance of course but this is far from decent in my experience.
I hope android 12 will solve many performance issues. Or custom fw
I'm about to throw away this phone into trash. Did not expect so weak dev community activity. The laggy interface is almost unusable if you constantly swap between apps and find them unloaded from RAM. All my text or uploaded content just disappear. It is very frustrating experience. I never had this behaviour with my 2/32 gb xiaomi.
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I'm about to throw away this phone into trash. The laggy interface is almost unusable if you constantly swap between apps and find them unloaded from RAM. All my text or uploaded content just disappear. It is very frustrating experience. I never had this behaviour with my 2/32 gb xiaomi.
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If you're really at your wit's end, have you considered installing a GSI? I've tried Phh's AOSP w/ gapps, and once you register your device with Google, it works flawlessly (except safetynet/drm) and is a million times faster than stock. Or I'd be more than happy to take your device off your hands.
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Did not expect so weak dev community activity.
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You know, custom ROMs don't just appear out of thin air. Someone has to take the time to bring up a device and make it stable, and it's not an easy task. I would say to be patient and just accept the fact that there's no guarantee that this device will get custom ROMs.
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If you're really at your wit's end, have you considered installing a GSI? I've tried Phh's AOSP w/ gapps, and once you register your device with Google, it works flawlessly (except safetynet/drm) and is a million times faster than stock. Or I'd be more than happy to take your device off your hands.
You know, custom ROMs don't just appear out of thin air. Someone has to take the time to bring up a device and make it stable, and it's not an easy task. I would say to be patient and just accept the fact that there's no guarantee that this device will get custom ROMs.
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Any disadvantages with gsi besides safety net drm? Want to try gsi but this is new to me
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Any disadvantages with gsi besides safety net drm? Want to try gsi but this is new to me
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Other than pictures from the camera being degraded compared to stock and having to install apps from the Play Store/changing a few settings in the Settings app, everything seems to work fine
I would like to touch on the topic in this thread about the special Variant of the SD8 Gen2 for the galaxy devices. From numerous videos/posts/Benchmarks I've already started seeing a pattern... The special version for the galaxy phones that is even clocked higher, is being outperformed on average by the normal standard version that all the other phones are using. Now I don't know about you guys, but at this point I view it as classic Samsung ****ery... Only Samsung can go and get a special version of something and make the special version be worse than the standard version before anyone jumps me, I know the phone literally came out, and there's time for fixing up whatever needs to be, but let me just remind you that none of the other phones rocking the same SOC needed touchups in the SOC department... They just worked out the box. Also to be more specific I'm talking about multicore performance and a final average FPS results in some cases, but that's already a negative kind of deviation that shouldn't be happening to begin with. Also I haven't seen any updates since the release, but before the release there were some leaked benchmarks of the 8gb/12gb variants, where the lower ram variant was outperforming the higher variant, that's another thing I'd like to see compared now officially.
The 8 gen 2 for galaxy is also made in TSMC 4NM
Pre order is up till the 16. Official release is on the 17th. So on the 17th we should see a software update
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The 8 gen 2 for galaxy is also made in TSMC 4NM
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Well it's only been confirmed a day ago, till then it was widely speculated that it was done in the Samsung foundry. I'll edit that from my original post. However if it's done by TSMC and there's a difference between 8GB/12GB, it must mean there's some software problem across the board. Since the 8GB version supposedly outperforms the 12GB version however it's not faster but rather on par with the standard version.
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Pre order is up till the 16. Official release is on the 17th. So on the 17th we should see a software update
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I'll be eagerly waiting to see if it fixes anything, but from my experience if Samsung don't choose to recognise something as a problem, or the public doesn't force them to, then it usually never gets fixed, currently it seems like I'm one of maybe few people that's pointed it out and cares about it.
You're believing benchmarks? Most of these people run the benchmark a single time, after not even allowing the device the day or so it needs to settle. Deviations up to 10% can be considered to be as expected. You have to run the benchmark *at least* 3 times and average the results but even that isn't really all that representative if you've chosen to set the phone up in the slightly bit beyond a brand new email address. TSMC fabs all the 8 Gen 2 chips. If Samsung had fabbed them, the 30-40%+ increase in battery would not have been realized.
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You're believing benchmarks? Most of these people run the benchmark a single time, after not even allowing the device the day or so it needs to settle. Deviations up to 10% can be considered to be as expected. You have to run the benchmark *at least* 3 times and average the results but even that isn't really all that representative if you've chosen to set the phone up in the slightly bit beyond a brand new email address. TSMC fabs all the 8 Gen 2 chips. If Samsung had fabbed them, the 30-40%+ increase in battery would not have been realized.
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Sure I understand what you're saying, I'm obviously going to be setting it up thoroughly, reset and then do everything from scratch to make sure nothing is holding the phone back. But as a side note, it's worth mentioning that all the other phones using standard SD8 Gen2 chips can Liter boot up and fire up a benchmark and get those high scores without any ****ing around. Now why is it like this? That with a Samsung you have to go and change a million things and set-up everything in a correct order, just to get the performance on par with the standard chip? All I'm saying is that sure maybe it'll be better, but so far from what you can see and find yourself, the SD8 Gen2 standard chip in many phones, is outperforming the Galaxy version.
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Sure I understand what you're saying, I'm obviously going to be setting it up thoroughly, reset and then do everything from scratch to make sure nothing is holding the phone back. But as a side note, it's worth mentioning that all the other phones using standard SD8 Gen2 chips can Liter boot up and fire up a benchmark and get those high scores without any ****ing around. Now why is it like this? That with a Samsung you have to go and change a million things and set-up everything in a correct order, just to get the performance on par with the standard chip? All I'm saying is that sure maybe it'll be better, but so far from what you can see and find yourself, the SD8 Gen2 standard chip in many phones, is outperforming the Galaxy version.
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Not sure which benchmark you refer to,
i've check several videos and several sites (including NotebookCheck, which i always trust for review and benchmark https://www.notebookcheck.net/Samsu...and-Snapdragon-8-Gen-2-chipsets.689239.0.html). And all their benchmarks show the galaxy version perform better.
But then, even if it perform just the same like the standard 8 Gen 2, i don't really care,
Samsung is the only brand that officially ship phone with 8 Gen 2 in my country,
I plan to pick one from either the Vivo X90 Pro+, Xiaomi 13 Pro, or the OnePlus 11
but none of those brand actually care about global shipment. So, it doesnt matter if their launch price is cheaper than samsung, it always ends up pricier in my country, because i need to pay the tax for international shipment if i were to buy one.
While i can get the S23U 12/1TB for $1390
erik2041999 said:
Sure I understand what you're saying, I'm obviously going to be setting it up thoroughly, reset and then do everything from scratch to make sure nothing is holding the phone back. But as a side note, it's worth mentioning that all the other phones using standard SD8 Gen2 chips can Liter boot up and fire up a benchmark and get those high scores without any ****ing around. Now why is it like this? That with a Samsung you have to go and change a million things and set-up everything in a correct order, just to get the performance on par with the standard chip? All I'm saying is that sure maybe it'll be better, but so far from what you can see and find yourself, the SD8 Gen2 standard chip in many phones, is outperforming the Galaxy version.
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Can you show me these benches? I'm not finding them. They need to be 2/2023 benches, not 12/2022 "leaks" for me to believe them fully but knowing that Samsung's OneUI takes up a ridiculous 70GB, I would be very surprised if there wasn't overhead. One thing I will say though is I had a OnePlus 9. Benches were great. Real world performance was a different story. OnePlus throttled the SoC so damn much because of people whining that their hands were warm (as if that's indicative of anything seeing how humans are unable to discern the difference between warm and hot reliably because our nerves press the "fire" button with so much as a tingle above normal) that my OnePlus 9 still to this day gets beaten by Pixel 7 Pro on Android 13. I mean it should be embarrassing for OnePlus but they just don't give a crap.
Personally, I can't wait for my S23U. I'm going to pick that sucker up on the 17th and I wish it could be faster like it has been for many walking into stores in the EU. Benchmarks mean nothing to me. I already know I'll be debloating it but honestly I'll probably just run the thing in "Light" performance mode so I can save some battery.
Well here's benches of the standard SD8 Gen2 on numerous devices, and the ones of s23 can be found in most YouTube videos of people that have the devices
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erik2041999 said:
Well here's benches of the standard SD8 Gen2 on numerous devices, and the ones of s23 can be found in most YouTube videos of people that have the devices
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You may get some explanation from gsmarena test, i think. https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...on_8_gen_2_for_galaxy_examined-news-57447.php
S23U score better in single core test due to the X3 core. But score lower in multicore since the X3 is not utilised.
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You may get some explanation from gsmarena test, i think. https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_gala...on_8_gen_2_for_galaxy_examined-news-57447.php
S23U score better in single core test due to the X3 core. But score lower in multicore since the X3 is not utilised.
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Well I'm a little confused, the standard version and the galaxy version are exactly the same, just clocked higher if I'm not wrong, so how come the chip is being utilised differently? Are you trying to tell me that others use the X3 during multicore but Samsung doesn't? If none of them utilise the X3 for multicore, then why is the multicore underperforming on Samsung?
Hopefully it's the standard TSMC chip but overclocked. That said, there are other factors such as RAM, and software optimization. A lot of these benchmarks are comparing the S23 Ultra with 8 GB RAM, to phones with 12-16 GB of RAM, some of which are running much lighter Android skins. OneUI, while getting much better, still uses a lot of resources.
Its probably a binned chip, so they can clock it a little higher.
I'll have my phone setup tomorrow evening and I'll start doing some benches and comparisons myself. I unfortunately haven't had the time due to working.
Maybe Samsung is this time not using a benchmark mode?
On Vivo X90 pro plus there is a benchmark mode that lists Geekbench and others as can be seen in setedit. Taking Geekbench out there reduces the results to 1000/4000 with a temperature cap at 33° Celsius from above which throttling kicks in. If I run the benchmark in a fridge I actually get 1300/4800. 1500/5000 only by re enabling the Geekbench entry in the hidden settings.
Also battery life on 4G is much better on the s23U. Not sure what that's related to but s23U is awesome on the go while Vivo outrightly sucks your battery empty in no time if using some GB of data on 4G/5G. So as long as you have WiFi X90 pro plus on SD 8gen2 is competive, once on data especially with bad reception the Vivo drops within hours. 3:29 DoT on 4G within 12 hours to switch off vs 10 hours on WiFi for same usage. Not sure if X90 pro plus uses the x70 modem from Qualcomm or some China crap. It's clearly botched up. S23 on the other hand seems to do great.
Yeah that X90 pro+ is way overrated in reviews. In real life without constant WiFi it's a horrible phone. Xiaomi 13 pro also doesn't seem to do to well on battery life, I still think it's mostly due to software botched up on the Chinese devices. But likely the ad 8 gen 2 for galaxy has lower voltages applied as it's later batches. 2 months later into production could easily be enough for a drop of 10% in voltage. Had a galaxy S7 bought on launch vs a S7 bought 3 months later, rooted both and compared built in voltage, it was 10% difference by default and also after undervolting both to stable minimum. In effect that 10% is less than the higher speed they promise. Likely all sd8gen2 from current batches can hit sd8gen2 for galaxy speeds. It's normal evolution as processes at tsmc get optimized. If you get it in a year there will be another 5% advantage or more.
The only question for Samsung is, can they profit so much from GAA on 3nm to temporarily catch up/overtake tsmc which will only introduce GAA on 2nm a year later. GAA could well be another game changer for power use.
There is something known as the silicon lottery. Whether you get the best bins on the manufacturing lot is all up to luck. This reviewer shows the best score so far. The 8G2 for Galaxy is clearly a much superior bin of 8G2 chips. Not to mention further optimization in the next couple of months to improve the software stability even further.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623599477352431617
Take a look at this reviewer's unit. The score is an average score of 8G2.
R3vol33 said:
There is something known as the silicon lottery. Whether you get the best bins on the manufacturing lot is all up to luck. This reviewer shows the best score so far. The 8G2 for Galaxy is clearly a much superior bin of 8G2 chips. Not to mention further optimization in the next couple of months to improve the software stability even further.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1623599477352431617
Take a look at this reviewer's unit. The score is an average score of 8G2.
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I got 1514/4850, not great not terrible, I think I'll keep it, but let's see if I'll have battery issues or not.
I got mine yesterday morning and scored this out of the box (power-savy behavior).
Fully detailed bench: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/20434848
I'll give it another try with a more performance oriented setting later today.
I've already posted in another post, but my average isn't the best of the best, however after I specifically targeted benchmark scores and actively cooled the device I did get higher scores. Still not that amazing but at least it's inching it's way higher. Then again a lot of the others getting insanely higher scores don't even have to bother with cooling, their devices just fly...