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I recently purchased a Nordic Track 9500 Elite Pro. This bad boy has a 10" android tablet built in. They really don't want you messing with the android part much, but I am sure there are plenty of other users out there like me that want to do more!
This is my first post so I am unable to show the pictures via the link. Hopefully you can copy and past the text to view the images. I will try to repost on my website so it all flows.
I don't see where a post like this would go, I am not sure if at some point it would gain it's own device forum... That would be exciting. So for now I will post here. I will also post my initial findings for others in the community that may want to purchase this treadmill and can't find any information regarding the built in Android Tablet with WiFi.
This image shows the version information. From what I can tell it looks like they purchase an APAD from someone and then stick it inside of their device. They also must have wrote some special drivers and software to interface with the equipment and hardware. I was very happy to see a mainstream current android OS.
Android OS 2.2
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Here are the pre-installed apps. Pretty basic. (note: I was able to find an APK and install Last.FM that wasn't included) Also a major bummer to see was that there wasn't a market application.
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This is the typical workout screen you see.
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I also noticed that the device doesn't have very much memory. This could be due to the built in applications taking up so much space. It only had about 57MB of internal memory free, but it had a built in 2GB SD Card. I have not gotten to the point where I have needed to take it apart yet to see if there is a replaceable SD card. I may wait another 5 years for my warranty to end to do that.
I have tried to install some apps but have not had very much luck. The only app that was I was able to install was the Last.FM.
I tried the follow apps, and they didn't install:
1. Market
2. Angry Birds
3. Pandora
Other disappointments:
1. Designed to not be in the Android Interface. They have an application that runs, and makes it tricky to get to the android desktop. It takes about 3 clicks to get from the main workout screen back to the Android Desktop.
2. The screen is not capacitive, it is resistive. I don't know how much more I need to say about that.
3. Only 3 buttons. Back, Menu, Home. Home takes you to their software not the android home screen. Long press on home does nothing.
4. When i go to the desktop the Time is all over the place. I have tried changing settings in every spot possible but something is telling it what time to think it is, occasionally it is correct... Just don't get it.
Even with the disappointments this thing is sweet. I wish i could install more apps, stream videos from a PC over the WiFi connection and stream music from a PC over the WiFi connection. Maybe with the help of the community we will figure some of these items out... Or I will be the only one who has this that knows about this website!
ntsteele,
How is your experience up to now with your 9500? I am looking at getting the c1250, which is the same as the 9500, but with a smaller motor and no decilne. Is the 10" screen worth it? The rep at Nordictrack told me the only differcence between the 7" screen is the web browser, the google maps display, and some basic apps. But overall the workout system is the same as the 7' display of the 1750 commercial and that you can view the google maps by logging in on ifit.com. Thanks for the info and screen shots.
iFit Android App
Have you or has anyone else been able to pull the apk files off of the NordicTrack Elite 9500 Treadmill. I would be interested to see if it works on any adroid phone to view the menu system.
I played with this today at Google IO. The rep said that the integrated tablet was rev 1 and that they wanted to eventually let users connect their own devices.
what do you need to press to get to the android home screen?
Where I work at there is a Proform Trailrunner 4.0 treadmill that has 10" Android tablet screen. From what I have been told nordic track and proform are made by the same manufacture or something. It was returned because of a broken display unit. Of course I wasn't going to let them throw the old one away so they let me keep it. I trashed the main display and now I have the 10" tablet but cannot power it because the treadmill doesn't operate without a magnetic key. How could I power this thing and see if it works?
I got the new incline trainer x9i which has the 10 inch android interface. I am interested to get in and try installing apps as you have but I am unable to even get to the android home screen. The only time I see it is when I turn the machine on and it is booting up, the screen comes up for a few seconds to where I can hit on the applications button and see what is on it. But within a second after I see the apps it automatically gets routed into the machine exercise interface and I have not figured how to get back to the android home screen from there. How did you do it? It would sure be nice to install a different browser. I hate the fact that I cannot create my own shortcuts. Anyway, love the machine.
How to get to the Android Home Screen
Any luck finding out how to get to the Android Home Screen? I am wanting to do that also. I was able to get to it one time accidentally, but haven't figure out how to stop the machine interface from loading since.
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Ok, same question. I just got a C2150 which is a similar model to the 9500. Slightly smaller motor and belt, but same basic thing with the 10" tablet. I believe it's capacitive now, but still not great as far as that goes.
I too have hit the setup icon when it's booting and it goes to the Android setup screen for a second and then continues to boot into the Nordictrack IFit proprietary stuff.
So I can't believe the posts with the images and no explanation of how you got there? Please share with the rest of us.
Also, my console has a USB connector at the top of the thing. Any idea what if anything that'll let me do?
Thanks!
Anyone figure this out? Seems a shame to have a 10' screen and not be able to install apps on it. There must be some button combination that the Icon service team would use to stop the auto load of the iFit interface.
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I took the tablet apart to see what information can be gathered. Apparently, HANNSTAR (TAIWAN) manufactures the board (HANNSTAR J MV-7); which uses a Samsung ARM8 CPU(5PV210AH-A0 1044); has 512MB; and a 4GB SANDISK FLASH (SDIN2C2-4G).
I haven't been able to find sufficient info to track a compatible ROM, yet I can't imagine for the life of me that HANNSTAR would design this just for Nordic. I am posting some pics hoping that someone might be able to id the hardware, which in turn might help point to a more fruitful search for a workable ROM.
Try to upload pics but not sure if it worked. It's late, and I can't figure out how to do it smoothly yet.
I'm gonna do another bump. I have a similar treadmill (or maybe the exact same one, I lost the the manual with product name). It is of the X9i series and when I saw it in the store, I had to go for it. I was a bit irritated to see that you are locked to the iFit application and you cannot return to the launcher. I need a male to male USB cable to see if I can get a bit of ADB on it.
From the (crappy) performance of it, I can tell it has about 512 MB RAM, a dated CPU clocked at around 600-800MHz, the screen looks like a crappy TFT display at 1280x700. Lastly, this thing runs Froyo. Mine features a full USB port and an Audio in port. Not much to screw around with. Downloads are disabled in the browser, and the Menu key does nothing.
I think something can be done though. The application that controls the treadmill can't crash as it is, and if it ever does FC, the motor shouldn't stop. NordicTrack doesn't have a recovery image up for some reason (thanks, NordicTrack -_-) so that's even less to work with.
Nevertheless, something can be done. It's not really a fun thing for an Android enthusiast to pick up an Android device with such dated hardware (the tredmill itself, as just tredmill is amazing).. Plus, it was $2,100 at Sears.
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here is a video of the Treadmill and the board;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKyf6MHIefk
USB and Audio in is on the right side of the console.
I've had my Nordictrack 9500 Pro for about a year now. Still working well for the most part (I do have messed up deck tension adjuster that I need to call support about).
Would love to be able to unlock the Android device to at least install Netflix, Pandora, etc.
I have had one over the air firmware upgrade that went pretty smoothly. Was hoping more updates would come from Nordictrack, but it has been a long time since that one.
Has anyone else noticed that the Speed Calibration utility under the iFit controls says that it isn't enabled yet? Maybe there's hope for future updates.
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Greetings,
I have been following this thread as a 9500 owner as well, and looking at what has been posted and see if there is any follow up.
1.) like everyone else what startup combinations may have disabled Nordic Tracks proprietary software.
2.) the usb socket on the top of the console, has anyone had anyluck attempting a usb male to male connection on a laptop? If so what has been tried?
3.) any idea of maybe porting something over via the Ifit updates or account? I noticed the HDvideo inside of the program is pretty descent from what I've seen, and looks like the video plays in the center of main app..just a thought.
I'm looking at getting the male to male usb cable and trying to interface it with the below. .. at least curious if the cable will talk, and most likely this unit is not root so view only but maybe a start if it works.
//www*howtogeek*com/howto/42491/how-to-remote-view-and-control-your-android-phone/
Cheers,
devmo
Did anyone figure out how to get android home screen????
I read somebody was able to email themselves an apk and install it? The tablet enables sideloading? Ding ding ding! I'm going to try sideloading launcherpro or any other replacement launcher to attempt to hijack the home screen
Update: Didn't work on my c2150's tablet. Bastards.... I did however get my c2150's to boot into "safe mode" which I have no idea what that entails. While it was powering on, I held down home and back I believe was the combo.
Update: SUCESS!!! So by booting into "safe" mode, you can hit the preferences launcher while the device is booting to interrupt the ifit loading. From there, go enable unknown sources. Then launch the browser and google "z4 apk" and download it and run it. Did permanent root on mine and it worked.
ENJOY
I forgot. Once you get the device into safe mode, install "smart taskbar" by sideloading. It'll make you able to view a task bar over ifit.
EDIT: Since we don't have a custom recovery, or for that matter even a recovery at all it seems, I've not attempted gapps. Could anyone give a detailed response on how to install this? I assume just unzip it in the root directory? I'm worried about permissions, I always forget what to set there. Also, the device comes pre-bundled with busybox, fyi Another must have for this is adbWireless. I tried editing the init.rc but it seems those changes were for nothing. I'll keep people updated as I discover things etc. I'm by no means a dev, but do know a little.
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I forgot. Once you get the device into safe mode, install "smart taskbar" by sideloading. It'll make you able to view a task bar over ifit.
EDIT: Since we don't have a custom recovery, or for that matter even a recovery at all it seems, I've not attempted gapps. Could anyone give a detailed response on how to install this? I assume just unzip it in the root directory? I'm worried about permissions, I always forget what to set there. Also, the device comes pre-bundled with busybox, fyi Another must have for this is adbWireless. I tried editing the init.rc but it seems those changes were for nothing. I'll keep people updated as I discover things etc. I'm by no means a dev, but do know a little.
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Sorry - can you tell me the exact steps involved here. How do I get to safe mode and then what? I tried Home Back while powering on and it still goes to the ifit screen
You know I'm really not sure what trick it is to make it stay. I had good luck getting it to stay in android rubbing home/back/menu while it booted and as soon as I saw the android home screen, hit the preferences launcher and then grabbed the top menubar and half pulled it down. All I know is that when you get it to stick in android, its always in safe mode which is triggered by some combination of those buttons on boot. Even then it will boot into iFit, but if you go to the settings first, in safe mode, it wont exit that screen.
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Very simple folks. Turn treadmill on and once you see ANDROID appear in the center of the screen, begin pressing the dashes button that is between the home and back buttons on the console. Not sure if holding down works any better. An "unable to load widget" will be seen in middle of screen once the I-FIT software has stopped and safe mode will appear at the lower left hand corner. You'll then be able to check out the various Android options etc for your tablet. Be careful in editing anything unless you know what you are doing! Wouldn't want to brick your treadmill unnecessarily. It took awhile to find the key to safe mode access, due to limited info out there, but I hope users will continue to make some progress on exploiting this device and maybe we'll be able to use it to our liking. I would like to stream my dish television to the tablet like I do on my i phone or i pad. Being able to install the dish app via google app store is what I'm looking forward to. I want to be able to watch tv on my treadmill while exercising. Please keep this thread going! I'm sure that future software updates may allow for a better user interface. The challenge is certainly in the storage capabilities in the tablet itself and the sd card inside.
Someone mentioned this in another thread, but this is a topic that should have it's own separate thread.
Some of you may have already read the news: Michigan: Police Search Cell Phones During Traffic Stops
Don't assume it won't come to your town.
I can't say I plan to do anything that would warrant police suspicion, yet I don't like the idea of anyone being able to easily pull data from my device. And we know cops won't be the only ones with these devices. So I've been wondering, how can we protect our Android devices from the CelleBrite UFED?
Check out this video that shows some of the features it has, keep in mind it does much more and can even extract DELETED data.
See the company's product page here: http://www.cellebrite.com/forensic-products/ufed-physical-pro.html
This research paper talks about the CelleBrite UFED and other extraction methods. (CelleBrite UFED is talked about starting on page 9.) I doubt there's a means to prevent all of those methods given some involve long term handling of the device, but CelleBrite UFED can extract data when a device is retained by the CelleBrite UFED user for a short period of time. It looks like HTC Android type devices can only be extracted from via the (micro)USB Port and it requires USB Storage and USB Debugging turned on. The CelleBrite UFED has to gain Root Access. It can get by screen passwords and root even a device that was not yet rooted.
There's another thread where someone was requesting a ROM that would not work with the CelleBrite UFED. I'm not sure how to make a ROM or anything else that would not work with the CelleBrite UFED without limiting certain features we all may use from time to time.
Over on Slashdot, someone said they hacked their device (Nexus One) to not do USB client mode. This is another option that would limit some features many of us may use.
So, how can we protect our privacy and our data? Does it mean sacrificing some features like USB storage mode?
The biggest problem is what's missing from Android itself. Meego might be protected but not Android.
You would need an encrypted boot loader that retains root for some users.
A kernel and os files that support different users so the default user is not root like Linux and a prompt with a password for superusers not just an Allow like now for Android.
Encryption libraries that would support truecrypt encryption of both internal and external (SD card) encryption in toto not just individual files.
A true trash system that overwrites files like srm in linux and sswap for wiping the swap file after every system reboot.
Ultimately I don't see it happening. In theory if you were running Ubuntu on your phone then yes cellbrite would just crap out not knowing what to do with your phone. Same possibly with meego. But then no real app support, no navigation and driver support is crap even for ROMs using the same os let alone a different OS like true linux.
It's amazing how many don't even bother deleting thumbnails hanging around on their computers or securely wiping files on their computer. Same with swap files retaining passwords or even website cookies that have the same password as their computer.
Best thing to do, don't keep anything that could be bad on your phone. Use a cloud system or home server sync that requires a seperate login every time and keeps no local files. Or as I do, encrypt the hell out of anything you find valuable, which currently is only my complete backups...
Sent from my Xoom the way it should be, rooted and with SD card.
This is where that cheap Boost Mobile phone comes in, or any other prepay phone. Just hand the officer that one. Store your personal data on your smartphone.
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Best thing to do, don't keep anything that could be bad on your phone. Use a cloud system or home server sync that requires a seperate login every time and keeps no local files. Or as I do, encrypt the hell out of anything you find valuable, which currently is only my complete backups...
Sent from my Xoom the way it should be, rooted and with SD card.
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Hello, All. This is my first post at xda-developers!
Since I'm new to Android, data security has concerned me. Climbing the learning curve of rooting and tweaking my SGH-T989, I've focused on control, security, and privacy. So far pretty good, thanks largely to members' posts at this site. Thank you very much!
Then this thread crushed me. Visions of "1984", "THX 1138", "Terminator", etc.
I considered the suggestions here. Thoughts about the OS seem right to me, but that's beyond my abilities. I did try following chbennett's advice: I enabled encryption in my backups and moved them to the internal SD.
But I don't yet know how to do the 'home server / log in on demand' scheme for contacts and calendar. I will appreciate any help with that.
Meanwhile, I looked for a way to make a 'panic button' that would let me wipe my phone immediately. What I chose was making a contact whose phone number is the USSD code for Factory data reset.
Maybe Tasker, etc. could streamline this approach; but my trials showed that, unlike MMI codes (e.g., to toggle caller ID blocking), USSD codes cannot be submitted to the OS indirectly. So swiping a contact, direct dial shortcut, etc. did not work. On my phone, all that worked was either 1. manually dialing the code, or 2. dialing the contact name, then tapping the contact.
So the routine to use this 'panic button' is:
1. launch Dialer
2. dial the contact name
3. tap the contact name in the search results
4. tap "Format USB storage" in the "Factory data reset" dialog
5. tap "Reset phone" button in the "Factory data reset" dialog.
It sounds clunky, but it's actually pretty quick. I named the panic button contact "XXX" to avoid confusability when dialing (it needs only "XX" for a unique match.)
If you can suggest improvements to this scheme, or think it is misguided, please let me know. Thanks.
Any updates on this? I'm curious as to how to guard against ufed.
I think an instant hard brick option would be better so theres nothing to recover as i dont believe the factory reset is a secure wipe
Possibly a voice activated secret phrase or keypress u could say/do super fast in a tricky situation that autoflashes a corrupt/incompatible bootloader and recovery to device after secure superwipe that should stump them for awhile
im still interested in this i disabled usb debugging on my phone but unsure if the UFED can still access anything on my ICS full encrypted passworded evo3d im assuming they could dump the data at most but i highly doubt they could access the decrypted data unless you used an insecure pass
If you have encryption enabled for your data partition, then all you need to do is to turn off your phone when you see a cop. If they take it from you, they can turn it on and hook up their device, but they will only be able to snarf the system partition, which does them no good. They'd need your password to mount the data partition.
If you look around on this forum, you can find the steps necessary to switch the lock screen back to a simple pattern lock while leaving the disk encryption enabled.
Are you sure Cellebrite and UFED or w/e can't access encrypted data partion? I know it can take an image of the phone "hard drive". They then can run password tools against image to unlock it no?
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Are you sure Cellebrite and UFED or w/e can't access encrypted data partion? I know it can take an image of the phone "hard drive". They then can run password tools against image to unlock it no?
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I'd like to know about this too. I am about to set up encryption on my device and I'd like to know more about what type of attacks it can beat.
Edit to add: I assume brute force attack protection is like any other type of encryption.....dependent on the strength of your password. But, assuming we all know that already, I'm still curious about this.
If the question is how to protect your device when you think someone would scan your phone, you'd have to have some sort of inclination that a scan is about to happen. I'm assuming this is many people's concern as they're considering wiping their device through a quick process. In that scenario, just turn off your device. Unless you warrant suspicion of something fairly bad, they wouldn't be confiscating your cell phone.
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...Unless you warrant suspicion of something fairly bad, they wouldn't be confiscating your cell phone.
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We all wish all law enforcement was just and honest, but so far in world history that has not been the case. Even a pretty woman may have her phone scanned by a curious cop snooping for pics.
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I would still like to know if there is an answer here...
So I recently had some dealing with assisting in a Cellbrite search. We initiated and enlisted the help of law enforcement for an employee who was doing some illegal activity which is not relevant to this discussion other than the person used an iphone. Anyway, the investigator came in and wanted to know if I can enable the bypass for the automatic screen lock in 5 minutes because when it locked, it disabled the Cellbrite copy.
Now, couple things here, he was only doing what he was "allowed' to do in the local municipality, and he did say they sell a more expensive Cellbrite device which would be able to crack it. I did find it interesting that the simple corporate Activesync policy I have set up was actually having this effect. Anyway I removed the policy and it worked. Funny thing is he could have done it himself had he known anything about that kind of thing. He was presented to us as an expert but I guess that mainly covered a basic Cellbrite expertise.
So, I do think encryption would be a great answer as the partition would be hard to bust in to. Nothing is impossible but I would rather not smash my phone on the highway next time I get pulled over so I would like to know definitively that this is the right approach. This is definitely not paranoia as there are at least 3 states where it looks like it happens regularly.
Time to look at a 2600 group for stuff like this I guess. I am early in my investigation
Later
Hi,
I try to be as brief as I can but I'm known to write "walls of text". Please, I really try to write differently but it always ends up with at least one A4...
I need some input from you who have vastly more knowledge then me, I have a few pondering's that I need to ask if they hold or not.
As you know I'm "rusty" in my knowledge so I have been reading up. Especially on SELinux.
I have a Note 3 that is plain vanilla and 2 days ago I got an "SELinux rules update #16". Didn't know how to take a screen pic of it. Sorry.
Did anybody else get that? I didn't even saw that there was a way to turn it on/off.
I know that SELinux is a bunch of text-files. It's making a MAC-solution for the kernel and can hinder you from accessing parts in system-space.
If can control all vital functions in user-space, including fs, files, sockets, network, processes and run own processes without disclosing them to
you as a user. They are simple text-rules. Pretty straight forward.
Made a "wall of text" -- > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48287600&postcount=1392 again.
I'm sorry if I c/p some from that, you can just sift it through if you feel for it
This is from their own White-paper on Knox:
Secure Boot requires the device boot loader, kernel, and system software to be cryptographically signed
by a key verified by the hardware. Secure Boot uses X.509 certificates and public keys which are embedded
into the boot loader of the device. A secure hash of the certificates is fused into hardware Read-Only
Memory (ROM) at the time of manufacture. The Secure Boot loader will only continue if the authorized
secure signed binaries are present. Next, Secure Boot verifies the cryptographic signature of the Linux
kernel and system image before handing control to the OS.
So they boot-loader contains the SELinux and it won't boot if it's not verified for a cert in your phone.
This has been planned for a long time.
Since I don't have any I9505 but and I9506 (that only has one bootloader so far. Knoxed) I need to ask a few questions to see if my assumptions hold or not.
Q1: Is it true that if you upgrade to a Knox-bootloader never can downgrade?
Q2: If you trip the Knox-flag can you do that or is it still impossible?
Q3: Can you while already having a Knox-bootloader downgrader WITHIN the Knox-bootloaders?
Good and bad
Bad: They can have your Prog->serial that you signed in your store->You. Sinister, as I think Knox is this is bad.
Good: It's still a PROM. There might be some way to read from it. Next year Knox is totally integrated on a chip, black boxed, WITH E-FUSE.
Then we are toast and can all buy a HTC...
If Q1 holds then you always have a boot with SELinux. The bootloader fit's a kernel just fine, right?
I get a strange error on my phone. It's saying I have space left on my device but when I try to download from Play it says I'm out of space.
Q4: Is this a know bug? Is this software? Have anyone had it before Knox?
I took and started to read a bit on Wikipedia. It's good sometimes for quick info: Selinux,
So it's a container basically. I also stumbled over this baby: NSA SEAndroid
So this leads me to some other questions.
Q5: Could it be possible that the device is virtualized?
Q6: Do we have some programs that can go deep into the system and pick up system info?
Q7: Does all custom kernels work after the Knox (with the flag tripped of course). Where are they loaded? The bootloader or somewhere else?
It's hard to know if you ARE virtualized but not impossible so there need to be some comparison between a pre-knox and knoxed device. I don't own any.
So I ask here is anyone does?
Q7: Has someone verified that it refuses to boot the pre-Knox bootloaders with or without trippning the flag?
Because it would make perfect sense. We have the hardware for it for sure. They are still chit-chatting about their bootloaders and warranty and that is
something I don't have to care about since I have written permission to flash away, as much I want from my cell-provider.
So I don't know if this is just a wild theory of mine or not but I started to wonder why the enforcement and the total lockout when it comes to the bootloader.
If what they also say in the White paper is true then there is no way that we CAN make a non-Knox boot, can we?
Privacy wise this is also a catastrophe. They can connect the device directly to you, with targeting, for instance, a grouping of some kind. Good or bad.
Up to the ones that controls the phone, right?
So sorry for maybe obvious questions but I though that here, if anywhere, if the place to asked them.
Oh, another thing, I stumped over this one when I was researching why my Windows was desperately making contact with the standard 6to4 replay
that there is a written about. I see that it does that over and over (among trying to make a tunnel through ICMP when you turn on Skype). Caught them on that.
This one: Geoip Locator
How does it show at your place? I've turned off all my localisation platforms. Hard. I even run behind a VPN.
But when I run it in Chrome (where I should have it turned off and are behind a VPN it's waaay to close).
In FF you can turn it off with the about:config --> geo.* and put the value to false the the address to localhost.
But I did the same in Chrome but it's still leaking.
When it comes to IE. If you have your "Localisation policy" set to "ON" you can turn it off in IE. If you disable it it's greyed out (I have Win 8.1).
Think I'll soon move to BSD totally....
All the best,
Abs
Hi, I really need some advice and help, please!
Someone hacked my galaxy note 8 (latest update of OS) using Bluetooth. Thereafter when I had Bluetooth turned off all the time I would sometimes found it had turned on again and at times a pic would randomly appear in my camera roll folder. I was targeted by a group of people and having recalled looking back I was encouraged to message through WhatsApp and I believe that chrome and Andoid webview extension were involved. They also got into my gmail and tried to delete my contacts and wipe my phone and whatsapp history. Aftert this I saw that a Linux device had been attached to my gmail account.
I then went to an iphone and received a whatsapp from someone and a pic appeared again in my camera roll. I believe they were trying to do the same again and not sure how effective it is on iOS.
But now I have a new galaxy note 8 and someone has sent me a pic and video. I don't know that they are involved and I think I'm being overly cautious, but I need to understand what they did before and what I can do to check if they have hacked my new phone and doing the same thing again, and what I can do now to ensure they don't do it. I'm worried now that if they have got into my new phone and WhatsApp, will they have been able to get my IMEI and is my new phone now permanently susceptible to attack?
If I wipe my phone back to factory settings and reinstall everything again and start a new whatsapp with a new number, will that work?
My MS surface has also been acting up and I'd like to know if there's an easy sign to check on there too.
Thanks so much in advance!
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Hi, I really need some advice and help, please!
Someone hacked my galaxy note 8 (latest update of OS) using Bluetooth. Thereafter when I had Bluetooth turned off all the time I would sometimes found it had turned on again and at times a pic would randomly appear in my camera roll folder. I was targeted by a group of people and having recalled looking back I was encouraged to message through WhatsApp and I believe that chrome and Andoid webview extension were involved. They also got into my gmail and tried to delete my contacts and wipe my phone and whatsapp history. Aftert this I saw that a Linux device had been attached to my gmail account.
I then went to an iphone and received a whatsapp from someone and a pic appeared again in my camera roll. I believe they were trying to do the same again and not sure how effective it is on iOS.
But now I have a new galaxy note 8 and someone has sent me a pic and video. I don't know that they are involved and I think I'm being overly cautious, but I need to understand what they did before and what I can do to check if they have hacked my new phone and doing the same thing again, and what I can do now to ensure they don't do it. I'm worried now that if they have got into my new phone and WhatsApp, will they have been able to get my IMEI and is my new phone now permanently susceptible to attack?
If I wipe my phone back to factory settings and reinstall everything again and start a new whatsapp with a new number, will that work?
My MS surface has also been acting up and I'd like to know if there's an easy sign to check on there too.
Thanks so much in advance!
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I do strongly advice you to do a full factory reset or go to the nearest technician if you don't know how to do it, to flash the phone from scratch inmediatly. Also try the best security app for android once you setup your device again. That's enough.
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I would also report the issue to the tech support of WhatsApp, if there's any. Also, change every passwords on your Google devices with more secure passwords, Google, banking, social. And do place a secure password to block your device. Good luck.
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This is why I dislike Touchwiz, it's so outdated and vulnerable.
Just reflash your whole system, you can find guides on YouTube on how to flash a new firmware.
I would also recommend changing to a custom ROM with up to date security patches.
Edit: You should also change all your passwords to something very difficult like 'nJfi8t%Nc178c'
If you have difficulties remembering there's a lot of apps out there that can help, I personally use last pass, you should check it out.
davidzam said:
I would also report the issue to the tech support of WhatsApp, if there's any. Also, change every passwords on your Google devices with more secure passwords, Google, banking, social. And do place a secure password to block your device. Good luck.
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If you were conned into downloading a webextension then this has nothing to do with whatsapp it has to do with the user. Conntact google security to change your account. In general if they hacked a phone the phone only is the problem but if they have access to all your info then it can always be a problem. About bluetooth always have at least a code between the devices (some BT keyboards do not even have this). Also look at the security update on the device if it is not the latest then swith to one of the custom roms here which are always secure.
As for passwords think of a sentence and use the first letters of each word incorperate numbers capital letters and a symbol this helps you to remember it.
For example
I Have A Dog Who Name Is Henry And I Love Him=IHADWNIHAILH
now change A for the & symbol one I for 1 and A for 4=1H4DWNIH&ILH
mix it up with some upper case and lower case (names)=1h4dwniH&Ilh
you can now add in other symbols or spell words such as [email protected] (too big so we will use only part @m )add ! after Henry and [] around &Ilh [email protected]![&ILH]
now you have a random easy to remember password. This password is the basis for all the security on android (at the current time) so even if you use a code it still unlocks with this and encrypts.
Applied Protocol said:
If you were conned into downloading a webextension then this has nothing to do with whatsapp it has to do with the user. Conntact google security to change your account. In general if they hacked a phone the phone only is the problem but if they have access to all your info then it can always be a problem. About bluetooth always have at least a code between the devices (some BT keyboards do not even have this). Also look at the security update on the device if it is not the latest then swith to one of the custom roms here which are always secure. As for passwords think of a sentence and use the first letters of each word incorperate numbers capital letters and a symbol this helps you to remember it. For example I Have A Dog Who Name Is Henry And I Love Him=IHADWNIHAILH now change A for the & symbol one I for 1 and A for 4=1H4DWNIH&ILH mix it up with some upper case and lower case (names)=1h4dwniH&Ilh you can now add in other symbols or spell words such as [email protected] (too big so we will use only part @m )add ! after Henry and [] around &Ilh [email protected]![&ILH] now you have a random easy to remember password.
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Thanks for clarifying that fact for me.
Thanks so much! Would a custom firmware allow me to keep the use of knox? I'm thinking to flash it back to factory and only install and use everything from within knox.
Zep0th said:
This is why I dislike Touchwiz, it's so outdated and vulnerable.
Just reflash your whole system, you can find guides on YouTube on how to flash a new firmware.
I would also recommend changing to a custom ROM with up to date security patches.
Edit: You should also change all your passwords to something very difficult like 'nJfi8t%Nc178c'
If you have difficulties remembering there's a lot of apps out there that can help, I personally use last pass, you should check it out.
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Applied Protocol said:
If you were conned into downloading a webextension then this has nothing to do with whatsapp it has to do with the user. Conntact google security to change your account. In general if they hacked a phone the phone only is the problem but if they have access to all your info then it can always be a problem. About bluetooth always have at least a code between the devices (some BT keyboards do not even have this). Also look at the security update on the device if it is not the latest then swith to one of the custom roms here which are always secure. As for passwords think of a sentence and use the first letters of each word incorperate numbers capital letters and a symbol this helps you to remember it. For example I Have A Dog Who Name Is Henry And I Love Him=IHADWNIHAILH now change A for the & symbol one I for 1 and A for 4=1H4DWNIH&ILH mix it up with some upper case and lower case (names)=1h4dwniH&Ilh you can now add in other symbols or spell words such as [email protected] (too big so we will use only part @m )add ! after Henry and [] around &Ilh [email protected]![&ILH] now you have a random easy to remember password.
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Just another question regarding Knox Secure Folder.
If I were to install and run everything through the secure folder and I were to be compromised again through a web extension, would that then all hackers to view everything on my phone again regardless of whether it's in the knox environment or outside? Would a backdoor like that work into the secure environment as it did in my normal android system?
Thanks again!
phoenix79802 said:
Just another question regarding Knox Secure Folder.
If I were to install and run everything through the secure folder and I were to be compromised again through a web extension, would that then all hackers to view everything on my phone again regardless of whether it's in the knox environment or outside? Would a backdoor like that work into the secure environment as it did in my normal android system?
Thanks again!
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If your knox is still working and not tripped then that would be a good idea. However understand that the way to get in and out of knox still relies on encryption methods see CVE-2016-1919 as well as the kernel level security CVE-2016-6584 see also https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2017/02/lifting-hyper-visor-bypassing-samsungs.html, this means that if the key or encryption method is faulty you can get around it and the kernel is more complicated but will also do the same thing. The last way is to access a shared resource such as a clipboard that has access to both places a example of this is CVE-2016-3996. And CVE-2018-9142. Granted most of these are 2017 and 2018 and a quick look at the samsung CVA at https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-822/Samsung.html does not have anything for Oreo this can be since until recently only the 9s' had it. But their is a recurring theme that the CVAs' are repeated out of the last 5 4 are repeated and some are simple mistakes (look at Googles project zero above in KALSAR). The question is is this enough and the answer is probably but a security orientated Rom might be a better bet. (I know this is not fair since they do not have CVAs). But a full wipe and fresh install should be enough. Add in a firewall too if you did not have that already.
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Thanks so much! Would a custom firmware allow me to keep the use of knox? I'm thinking to flash it back to factory and only install and use everything from within knox.
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Sorry for the late reply, but Knox, in my opinion is super vulnerable, new android versions are safe enough.
And no, using a custom ROM would not have Touchwiz integrated nor Knox. Why? Because it will most likely be running stock android vanilla.
More secure than Samsung's Touchwiz, recommend something like LineageOS.
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Sorry for the late reply, but Knox, in my opinion is super vulnerable, new android versions are safe enough.
And no, using a custom ROM would not have Touchwiz integrated nor Knox. Why? Because it will most likely be running stock android vanilla.
More secure than Samsung's Touchwiz, recommend something like LineageOS.
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Look this depends on your perspective
FACT: knox is a hardware based security system which is unique to Samsung
FACT: Samsung phones are the most sold
FACT: The maker of the hardware has the resources to secure it better
Therefore Samsung knox is more secure and yes more users using the phone make it more advantageous to crack it. However Samsung to their credit does try to increase security in other ways such as using the TrustZone more and SEAndroid policy strengthening. Lineage is a great choice however knox which will be tripped and ever if not it needs custom software to run AFAIK. Also samsung is DoD approved see DoD list and news article. This is not necessarily a good indication of overall security but it dos put things in a good perspective (DoD do not patch themselves rather rely on the developers and stay on top of things) Really high security Android OS such as copperhead also have such improvements as Knox (way better if you look carefully) but they are limited on what phones it will work on. Also Android 8 is a lot more secure but fact of the matter is the best party that can secure a Samsung phone is Samsung but I am not saying they do. I would recommend Stock Samsung but if you need a custom rom lineage is a good choice this is true also in terms of power (used to be snapdragon charging on a rooted phone is only up to 80% but I think there is a fix) but in versatility a custom rom always wins and power saver settings can be better than the original.
Picked up a Moto G8 Power off Ebay and I havent touched an Android since I flashed a HTC Desire with Cyanogen Mod years ago.
Product/Variant: sofair XT2041-3 64GB PVT
?BootLoader? BL:MBM-3.0-sofiar-reteu-0f8934adaf8-210928
BaseBand: M6125_43.45.03.48R Sofia_rowdsds_cust
Recovery mode shows: RPES31.Q4U-47-35-9/54bc43
oem_locked
Spent all of today going around in circles.
Google Locked = it wants a pin to verify. Ebay ad stated it was google locked house clearance and not stolen. Nothing shows up in CheckAmend.com
On an offline PC
Android Studio installed - strangely ADB nowhere to be found.
ADB installed separately.
Got Magisk apk
Got from lolinet mirrors
XT2041-3_SOFIAR_RETEU_11_RPES31.Q4U-47-35-9_subsidy-DEFAULT_regulatory-DEFAULT_CFC.xml
blankflash_sofiar_RPE31.Q4U-47-35
From Motorola
Motorola_Mobile_Drivers_64bit
Rescue_and_Smart_Assistant_v6.3.2.12_setup - This will not install and I find this error in the Windows eventlog
MDM Declared Configuration: Function (checkNewInstanceData) operation (Read isNewInstanceData) failed with (The parameter is incorrect.)
Motorola support cant help until monday, but it might be a ASLR or some other MS security thing.
TWRP is missing the Motorola G8 on their website, G7 and G9 and others exist, so this is not an option.
Followed some of those youtube videos showing how to bypass the FRP, which appear to use a variety of tricks to either disable the Google Play Service or use an app to launch another app, a bit like getting the 2nd dial tone by calling a business freephone number, and hacking their phone system to get an onward outbound dial tone in the 80's.. Showing my age!
Before I put the device online using wifi and no sim for mobile data, I could get access to the Androids settings, where I could list apps, set permissions and other things so I'd tried to disable the play store, but these tricks wouldnt work. Put it online and it appears Android has been updated so those previous tricks for getting all the apps listed and makiing changes to their permission etc is no longer there. One of them was using the emergency phone, getting to the contact detail and then choosing a pic to gain access to other apps and that also stopped working and has disappeared which is why I say I think its been updated in all but version number!
I can access a fat32 sd card in recovery mode, but the apk files I put on it dont show, just the folders Android created on blank Fat32 partitions.
USB and ADB dont detect this device so I cant use the Wireshark USB to watch what is going over the USB connection.
AFAIK Android DeveloperMode/Debugging Mode is disabled.
I havent touched an android since the HTC Desires appeared and then I ported it Cyanogen Mod, but I subsequently learnt the UK Police had access to my phone even back then!
Not taking it apart to get access to the JTAG (just yet), I bought a few broke Pixel4A to see what I could learn about them when they arrive as well.
I see in fastboot, the mention of a "console [NULL]:null" is this the fastboot.exe alongside adb.exe in android tools, or something else?
So is there any other way or suggestion to get root for this device?
I fancied looking at LineageOS, or maybe some other OS like an unofficial port of GrapheneOS. I've found the device tree info put up by someone on here which would suggest its possible to port from Android 10Q to an Android11 distro/os, but my first hurdle is my stumbling block, I cant get the USB to work and have not found any other way to get beyond this stage to poke around with the OS and phone.
So any pointers, suggestions, advice, will be much appreciated!
TIA
Edit. It looks like Android/Google/Motorola have done a good job at locking down this OS and phone.
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Saw this thread here about making sure the Motorola drivers are installed properly.
[HELP] I seem to have bricked my Moto G Power and not it's stuck on bootloader.
This is what it looks like, and if I try to boot into recovery or system it just says "no operating OS found." Windows won't recognize it when trying to connect via USB. Any way to fix this? Help would be greatly appreciated.
forum.xda-developers.com
On Win10x64 I've been into c:\windows\system32\DriverStore\FileRepository, sorted the subfolders by todays date/time and can see a number of subfolders like
motoandroid.inf_amd64_dd80f24dcfb3dc931
motoandroid2.inf_...
motodrv.inf_....
motousbnet.inf....
and when inspecting one of the .inf files in notepad I can see there appears to be a service linked to the driver, but when I check the services, there isnt any services installed.
So I'm starting to think maybe Motorola's installation software doesnt work on windows with the default windows security settings, like exploit protection running.
More investigations...
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In the Control Panel (yes its still there in Win10), Device Manager, Other Devices are a couple of entries which the latest attempt to install the Motorola USB x64 msi installer created.
These are:
Mot Composite ADB Interface
Motorola ADB Interface
In c:\Windows\system32\drivers are a couple of 0KB wdf files (Windows Driver Foundation) files:
Msft_Kernel_WinUSB_01009.Wdf
MSft_Kernel_motoandroid_01009.wdf
Msft_User_WpdFs_01_11_00.wdf
So when looking at the c:\windows\system32\DriverStore\FileRepository I think the driver that needs to be installed can be found in the subfolder:
motoandroid.inf_amd64_dd80f24dcfb3dc931
However opening the motoandroid.inf file inside I can see lines like
DriverVer=03/25/2013, 1.3.0.0
As this folder was created about 30mins+ earlier, am I correct to believe the actual motorola driver was created back in 25th March 2013 and is version 1.3?
I know its possible to edit inf files to make drivers W2k and XP drivers work on later versions of windows, but the motorola website has the version number 6.4 but is this 6.4 the version number of the installation program?
Anyway scrolling further down the motoandroid.inf I can see towards the bottom instructions to install a service
"Mot ADB Interface Installation Driver" and it needs to find the actual driver in %root%\System32\Drivers\motoandroid.sys
Various paramaters, like a transfer size 4096bytes, a debug level of 2 and plenty of guids which will be found in the registry.
Anyway uninstalling the software as now removed these subfolders from the DriverStore\FileRepository, so a reboot and another attempt to see where its failing.
I just hope it doesnt need an internet connection, as this offline pc is a dev machine.
Onwards and upwards....
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So the Windows 10 setting which prevents the Lenevo Rescue and Smart assist from installing is the Windows App and Browser Control > Exploit Protection > Force randomisation for images (Mandatory ASLR) when its on.
You can have every other windows setting on, like ransomware protection, normal ASLR, DEP etc etc and LMSA installs fine, right now its downloading an image to flash from FastBoot, but its not got the Developer mode/USB debug enable in android to make this possible.
Now lets see if I can get the Motorola USB drivers to work with ADB...
Got to say these forums are excellent cheap intelligence gathering tools for manufacturers and software companies to harden their products.
So tried lots and lots of these types of YouTube videos which are exploiting an SE Linux "vulnerabilities/design flaw" by getting access to enough of the system in order to disable/force stop certain apps in order to get past FRP block.
Some of these are less than a month old with less than 100 views, but I also suspect some of them of doing a bit of camera editing. I guess its a way of bunking up the number of views for a youtube account, before it gets rebranded, if thats even possible!?!
Now I managed to get the Lenovo Rescue and Smart Assist program to work, once I realised it will not install when Windows Exploit protection/Mandatory ASLR is enabled (which is a give away as to what the installer is doing on my system as well), and the give away information which suggests it might be worth downloading wireshark and installing the USB "packet" sniffer is the fact that when LMSA is running and you plug your usb cable into the Motorola phone, the phone displays the battery power as a xx% inside a swirling circle of sorts.
So there is some sort of USB communication taking place?
The other thing that gives it away is when you type in your IMEI number into the LMSA Rescue section, its detecting the version of firmware and wants to download the latest version.
LMSA did this to me last night as it downloaded
SOFIAR_RETEU_RPES31.Q4U_47_35_12_subsidy_DEFAULT__regulatory_DEFAULT_CFC.XML.zip
which I guess I can search for on this computer, or at least search for files on my windows hard drive created within a certain date/time frame, as the filename might be scrambled/obfuscated in some temp folder.
So is it just Firmware level communication, or is there some sort of Android communication taking place as well?
If its just firmware, then what could be elucidated/deduced from attacking the firmware? Perhaps its time to get the Wireshark USB sniffer out after all.
As I can also put an SD card into the phone (the start of a potential side channel attack) and the phone will load the SD card, I could explore different routes like some "malware" embedded using a picture to attach to the Emergency Contact details, maybe some PHP embedded in the pictures EXIF data or something that could trigger some other secondary app/process in Android into action.
It might pay for me to lookup the Google Android source if its open source, and look at the Android project source which is open source for any vulnerabilities. Anything mentioned in Github could give away clues
Configure on-device developer options | Android Studio | Android Developers
Learn how to configure system behaviors that help you profile and debug your app performance.
developer.android.com
So are there any issues listed here which doesn't just affect Android 13, but maybe earlier versions as well?
Google Issue Tracker
issuetracker.google.com
So lots of less obvious or not publicly mentioned intelligent sources of potential attack vectors in plain sight.
Seeing if I can alter the cpu clock speed and quantum could also help to introduce some instability, Linux has a wider range of cpu schedulers than windows, but this route tends to hang systems and I have to get enough access to this phone in order to change the route.
The recovery msg logs seen when selecting different bootloader options give away info, I think this is DMesg output of sorts. I'm not a linux programmer, just a boring old windows programmer.
I could explore what else could be loaded from the SD card, using the Bootloader menu options. I was surprised the APK packages dont appear in SD card in the "Recovery Mode > Apply updates from SD card" option. Maybe its not expecting a APK file extension? Mybe its expecting a different file of sorts like a .bin file or .img file. Is this where BlankFlash comes into play?
I have to admit, buying a second hand phone like this with FRB enabled off Ebay from a guy purporting to be in Salisbury home of Noivchok, is also a great way of spreading the latest and greatest malware to unsuspecting hackers and also to phish those who could potentially get around the FRB restriction with the minimum of effort. The UK civil service have their own internal postal system so has something been posted internally down the M5 motorway from Cheltenham, for some intelligence gathering or a cheap way of outsourcing some device cracking?
Oh well the silence is deafening.
So Motorola Support Centre have been in touch and stated:
I am really sorry to say that the kill switch feature, which is known as "Google Lock" is not bypassable by anyone other than the repair center.
So they are stating the Android Factory Reset Protection (FRP) can be bypassed which is another way of saying it can be undone, so the next challenge is finding out where on the device this flag or flags resides.
Is it something like the RaspberryPi One Time Programmable (OTP) switch's that may not be One Time Programmable but like the dip switches seen on the motherboards of early 8086/286/386/etc personal computers, or something else like a file on the main storage device with the rest of android.
I think the first thing to do is get Wireshark and the USB sniffer to see what information is being sent over the USB cable.
And as its possible to get the device online via wifi, it's probably a good idea to see what information is being sent over wifi, so using wireshark on a raspberrypi masquerading as an access point might be useful as well.
So the first thing to do is have a look at the Android documents
Android
Android has 74 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.
github.com
https://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/admin/FactoryResetProtectionPolicy
The factory reset protection policy determines which accounts can unlock a device that has gone through untrusted factory reset.
So it looks like Android are also stating the Factory Reset Protection can be undone. It seems a that a single user setup and a corporate setup exist, where a corporate account could be used to remotely wipe a device and then reenable the device, I guess if the user hands it back to the company.
https://developer.android.com/about/versions/marshmallow/android-6.0-changes API 23
EXTRA_PROVISIONING_RESET_PROTECTION_PARAMETERS is removed so NFC bump provisioning cannot programmatically unlock a factory reset protected device.
You can now use the EXTRA_PROVISIONING_ADMIN_EXTRAS_BUNDLE extra to pass data to the device owner app during NFC provisioning of the managed device.
Interestingly, NFC can be used to unlock FRP in earlier versions of Android. and its possible to use NFC to potentially configure and more other devices using NFC. As NFC is just a low power and thus low range frequency in the RFID range of frequencies alot of other things could be possible. NFC to me is just like any other form of communication method, beit a usb cable, telephone wire, wifi, ultrasonic sounds, or Infrared.
Radio-frequency identification - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
NFCIP-1 and NFCIP-2
Near-field communication - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
As NFC can communicate a request and response, and Android is using NFC to configure devices, using NFC may be a novel attack vector for peoples android devices, without them knowing about it unless they capture on a personal webcam everyone and every NFC device they come in to close contact with. Maybe using payment terminals could become a new attack vector at your favorite local retail outlet?
Well if Covid doesnt make people socially distanced, then maybe an NFC attack vector might if it works beyond the claimed 4cm operating range! Unfortunately this phone does not come with NFC, but others do.
I've got to find the source code....
Android (operating system) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Most versions of Android are proprietary. The core components are taken from the Android Open Source Project (AOSP), which is free and open-source software (FOSS) primarily licensed under the Apache License.
Search results for "factory reset protection" | Android Open Source Project
source.android.com
The default implementation of Test Harness Mode uses the same storage mechanism as Factory Reset Protection to store the ADB keys temporarily in a persistent partition.
So it looks like I need to gain access to this "persistent partition" and try to find this ADB for starters.
Seems a bit sneeky of Google and Android here. https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2016-02-01
At the bottom of the Android webpage is a link to Factory Images of the Google Nexus and Pixel phones which jumps you to Google web page. No indication what so ever I'm leaving Android and going to Google!
Flashing devices | Android Open Source Project
source.android.com
To enable OEM unlocking on the device:
In Settings, tap About phone, then tap Build number seven times.
When you see the message You are now a developer!, tap the back button.
In Settings, tap System, then tap Developer options and enable OEM unlocking and USB debugging. (If OEM unlocking is disabled, connect to the internet so the device can check in at least once. If it remains disabled, your device might be SIM locked by your carrier and the bootloader can't be unlocked.)
Reboot into the bootloader and use fastboot to unlock it.
For newer devices (2015 and higher):
fastboot flashing unlock
For older devices (2014 and lower):
fastboot oem unlock
Tip: if you're seeing `adb devices` output before reboot but fastboot or the flash script are misbehaving, it might be issues with your USB cable. Try a different port and/or switching connectors. If you are using a USB C port on your computer try a USB A port instead.
Confirm the unlock onscreen.
Well the instructions I've seen only talk about the gaining access to settings and the doing 7 taps on the Build Number. Lets see if the rest of the instructions work.
Onwards and upwards....
Well sent the phone back the Ebay seller claiming to be a house clearance business wouldnt provide any paperwork to back up his claims of how he came to be in possession of the phone. So as I planned to do some computer forensics on it, like retrieve the files wiped by a Factory Reset, and the perverse interpretation of the law in this UK, I wasnt prepared to go any further with the phone. So its been sent back. The banks have already shown how untouchable they are, other big businesses are also in the same position and finding illegal stuff on a phone is not a risk I'm not prepared to take without paperwork.