Question Compatible quick charge/Power delivery power banks for the ZF9

Question Compatible quick charge/Power delivery power banks for the ZF9 - Asus Zenfone 9

The included charger lists the following Power output: 5V3A, 9V3A, 12V2.5A, 15V2A, 20V1.5A, 3.3V11A.
On the product page it's listed as: Output: +3.3-11.0 V 3.0 A, supports up to 30.0W, PD3.0 PPS / Direct Charge / QC4.0 adapter
So what kind of power banks should I be looking for?

I first started looking for a PD3 usb c charger that provided at least 30 W and was QC4. I didn't know what the specs meant, but those were my search keywords. After some time, the only PD3 30 W usb c chargers that I could find were only QC3; I couldn't find any that were QC4. So I read about it a little and it appears that, although there are some difference between QC3 and QC4, they are backwards compatible. So I narrowed my search for a PD3.0/QC3 30 W usb c charger, and found and bought this one (the link is in Amazon Mexico; sorry I couldn't find it in other Amazon Stores for some reason)
It appears to be working, meaning, when I connect the phone to the usb C port in the charger, the text "HyperCharge 30" appears in the bottom of the lock screen. It is the same text that appears when I connect the phone to the included charger.
Hope this helps.

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Car (12v USB) charger

Has anyone successfully used a 12v usb charger other than the BN ripoff? I have a gmax 2.1a and aluratek 2a and neither one will charge the bn tablet. I get the "not charging" message on the tablet.. so I supposed its getting some juice, but not enough to sustain it. I soldered d+/d- together on both adapters and now both will show ac charging in the nexus - so I know each is getting close to 1amp. Ironically, the tablet will show ac charging if I use the nexus power ac power cube which is rated at 5v / 1amp output. So you would think the 12v usb adapters which are rated the same would work as well.
thoughts?

darby427 said:
Has anyone successfully used a 12v usb charger other than the BN ripoff? I have a gmax 2.1a and aluratek 2a and neither one will charge the bn tablet. I get the "not charging" message on the tablet.. so I supposed its getting some juice, but not enough to sustain it. I soldered d+/d- together on both adapters and now both will show ac charging in the nexus - so I know each is getting close to 1amp. Ironically, the tablet will show ac charging if I use the nexus power ac power cube which is rated at 5v / 1amp output. So you would think the 12v usb adapters which are rated the same would work as well.
thoughts?
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did you read about the 'special' connector that is deeper than the normal ones ? please use the search function for more info.

sure did.. all of this was with the [email protected] cable..
old_fart said:
did you read about the 'special' connector that is deeper than the normal ones ? please use the search function for more info.
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There's also the part of the equation where the USB adapter must supply a lot more than the 500mA of current that most adapters and computer USB ports are limited to. Mine will say "charging" as long as the adapter puts out around 1A (1000mA) or more and I use the NT's supplied cable. <-- But it still won't charge as quickly as it does when I use a 2A charger such as the one it came with. The factory charger is around 2A and expecting the NT to charge with anything less may not result how you'd like. Just because your phone likes a charger doesn't mean your NT will.

There is more to it than just shorting the D+ and D- pins. If the charger was designed for iPad, then you will also need to remove 4 resistors. Check out the two links in my post relating this issue at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1614091
I modded a car charger by just shorting the two pins. My HTC EVO 4G phone showed AC charging but my NT showed USB charging. I opened it up again and removed the resistors network and NT showed AC charging right away. Good luck.

bigdogz - good advice - made an attempt at it but my eyesight and hand steadiness aint what it used to be However, I did find one that works - Scosche reviveII - GUSBC3. Its a 2.1a port for the galaxy tab and a 1amp port for apple. It charges both the galaxy tab 10.1 and the nook tablet on the 2.1a port. It also will charge in ac mode a galaxy nexus from the tab port. The 1a port does not have the d pins shorted, but will charge an iphone.

USB C - HDMI Cable for mate 10 & PRO

Hello,
I have found this comment about the cable :
Note: I tested PC mode with a USB Type-C to HDMI cable I bought on Amazon. Because the Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro support USB 3.1 it’s technically possible that you can screen share to a monitor and charge the device at the same time. I asked Anker if a powered USB hub with HDMI support like this would work, but they said it depends on wiring and whether a hub has been designed to communicate with the Mate 10 or not. I also asked Huawei for clarification, and they have vowed to get back to me on the specifics of what to look out for in a compatible hub. I’ll update the review as more information comes in. Thanks to Bram Peeters for raising this issue.
Source : https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-mate-10-pro-review-807465/
Is there a HUAWEI reference for this cable ?
Does it need to be HDCP compatible, with Netflix eg ?
Best regards

Hi Pascal... I already tried the desktop mode. Technically any type-c to hdmi adapter should work. I'm using this: https://www.incipio.com/chargers/usb-c/usb-c-digital-av-multiport-adapter.html ... and I added an HDMI to VGA cable adapter because there's a VGA cabled monitor at home that's not in use.
My current setup:
** Mate 10
** Incipio 3-port AV adapter
++ Logitech 2 in 1 wireless combo (keyboard and mouse using 1 usb dongle) attached to the 3-port adapter
++ Charger attached to the type-c port
** HDMI to VGA adapter
** monitor
Works without any issues except that the charger cannot push enough power to actually charge the phone. It still drops so probably from 80% you have a good 2 hours average of desktop mode time to perform stuff. I am thinking of getting a DELL type-c to hdmi adapter (just a simple hdmi adapter no extra ports) for playing games.

I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in

404ErrorUsernameNotFound said:
I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in
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In fact, few months ago, i was looking for a USB C HUB (With or not HDMI, Ethernet) with power delivery,
for an ACER SWITCH V10 (2017), to connect many external USB HDD and KEYS.
I have found many products on Amazon.
And these products (USB C HUB) like EgoIggo HUB USB C (GN30E) on Amazon, could be fully adapted
with a Mate 10 PRO. Some of them are too Mac OS X or/and Windows compatible, with or not drivers.
Look the description :
[Multi-operation] 3 USB 3.0 ports, 2 Card Readers for SD and micro SD, 1 HDMI Slot, 1 RJ45 Eternet Port and 1 USB Type-C Charging Port. Compatible with new devices equipped with a Type-C USB port.
[High transfer speed] With a data rate of up to 5 Gbps, the three USB 3.0 ports allow you to connect your keyboard, mouse, USB flash drive and external hard drive to the laptop. An SD player and a micro SD player support SD / SDHC / SDXC cards up to 2 TB. An HDMI slot that supports resolutions up to 4K. An RJ45 Ethernet port allows a super-fast internet network up to 1Gbits / s, but also backwards compatible with 10 / 100Mbps
[Unique Design] This Hub is very small and thin, but robust, whose connection cable is properly flexible, which makes the connection very stable. This elegant aluminum-shaped design perfectly matches the style and color of MackBook and MackBook Pro.
[Power Delivery] USB-C Power Delivery (PD) for Macbook Macmini and other USB-C devices, capable of simultaneously transferring data and charging devices.
[Ultra Portable] This hub is packed with a small box of cardboard and well protected by a nice cover that prevents it from scratching your mackbook. Incredibly compact size and very practical to carry everywhere.
Best regards

404ErrorUsernameNotFound said:
I got myself a Macbook usb 3.1 dongle ( Lmao ) and i can't seem to push power fast enough to charge my phone, it helps though, having power in drains the battery slower than having no power in
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same concern with the incipio that I'm currently using.
From what I see, it will just drain the battery however we use it. Probably faster if we use the same adapter as Pascal's find. If I have the chance I will test Huawei's adapters (they have a different brand of adapter here in the Philippines) - I can try and borrow: see if it CAN push the power enough to charge the phone. But I'm already assuming that it won't.
Given the fact that the type-c port provides 100% of what it's supposed to run on desktop mode, powering the adapter.. powering whatever usb device is plugged in, that power requirement is the one that needs to be addressed.
But overall not bad for a phone especially when you can still use the phone while working on desktop mode. We can't do work on the phone of course but just enough to get a few things done with a screen and keyboard/mouse combo...

Well according to some German website it's stated that the Mate 10 is Compatible with USB [email protected]*2A so we might need to get a USB PD compatible charger to hopefully gain more juice than using draining the battery slowly

404ErrorUsernameNotFound said:
Well according to some German website it's stated that the Mate 10 is Compatible with USB [email protected]*2A so we might need to get a USB PD compatible charger to hopefully gain more juice than using draining the battery slowly
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probably if we use an adapter with a type-c slot going to the type-c port of the hdmi/type-c adapter....
I was looking at the Tronsmart multiport charger I think. It has a type-c port so you can use a type-c to type-c cable... BUT it only pushes out as fast charge on the mate 9... so of course that's also a fast charge on the mate 10... BUT again, that's if we plug the phone directly to the charger... would that be a different case if we plug it to the hdmi adapter? I'm actually planning to buy it.. just so I have a multiport adapter especially when out and about. This one says Power Delivery.. probably I'll grab this thing by end of the month and the type-c end to end cable...
http://www.tronsmart.com/products/tronsmart-u5p-60w-usb-pd-desktop-charger-with-voltiq
hopefully I can report back as soon as I get it.
current dilemma is we have a super charge adapter... and yet it's not pushing enough juice... hopefully the type-c type-c scenario works so we won't have draining issues...

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CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:

Baseus O HUB Type-C multi-function converter Adapter
Hi, I'm using a mate 10 and I've just bought a Baseus O HUB Type-C multi-function converter Adapter (HDMI + Type-c charging port + USB3.0). Can't seems to get it to work (PC mode or mirror) when connected to HDMI (tried on Panasonic LED TV & Toshiba projector).
Wireless mouse and keyboard working and phone is charging when I've plug in the charger to the hub. Is there any setting that I've missed?

Regarding Desktop mode: I bought an adapter and successfully connected my mate 10 to an HD TV, but the resolution is low, does it depend on the TV, the cable, the adapter or there is a way to set the desktop mode resolution? I haven't found it ...

drkprd said:
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:
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so standard Mate 10 Pro charger (which says fast charging when plugged into phone) doesnt fast charge the phone when connected to the USB Hub. But youre saying if i buy this Anker charger my phone will fast charge when connected to a USB hub?
What is the exact spec of that Anker charger that makes it different to the Huawei charger in the box? Sorry for confusion, thanks in advance.

pixielott46 said:
so standard Mate 10 Pro charger (which says fast charging when plugged into phone) doesnt fast charge the phone when connected to the USB Hub. But youre saying if i buy this Anker charger my phone will fast charge when connected to a USB hub?
What is the exact spec of that Anker charger that makes it different to the Huawei charger in the box? Sorry for confusion, thanks in advance.
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Anker desktop charger that I'm using: https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
It has Power Delivery - which powers most usb-c devices nowadays especially Macs and other Google devices if I got that correct.
The description has this:
USB Type-C, Premium 5-Port 60W USB Wall Charger with Power Delivery for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X / 6P and PowerIQ for iPhone, iPad, Samsung & More
The stock charger will definitely work without problems IF DIRECTLY attached to the phone but this time we have an external device - the multi-port hdmi/type-c/usb adapter. Yes it has a type-c port included and you can attach the stock charger but from my experience especially with the Incipio adapter, it requires more "push" because the stock charger just slows down the drain when using desktop mode. It does not increase the phone's battery juice while in use.
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** Also, Huawei stock supercharger adapter pushes 22.5W of power BUT ONLY if connected directly to phone. Power delivery pushes 29W of power REGARDLESS of which device it's connected to. The Huawei charger is also picky so it might not be using all 22.5W if connected to an in-between adapter.

drkprd said:
Anker desktop charger that I'm using: https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort%2B-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
It has Power Delivery - which powers most usb-c devices nowadays especially Macs and other Google devices if I got that correct.
The description has this:
USB Type-C, Premium 5-Port 60W USB Wall Charger with Power Delivery for Apple MacBook, Nexus 5X / 6P and PowerIQ for iPhone, iPad, Samsung & More
The stock charger will definitely work without problems IF DIRECTLY attached to the phone but this time we have an external device - the multi-port hdmi/type-c/usb adapter. Yes it has a type-c port included and you can attach the stock charger but from my experience especially with the Incipio adapter, it requires more "push" because the stock charger just slows down the drain when using desktop mode. It does not increase the phone's battery juice while in use.
:angel:
** Also, Huawei stock supercharger adapter pushes 22.5W of power BUT ONLY if connected directly to phone. Power delivery pushes 29W of power REGARDLESS of which device it's connected to. The Huawei charger is also picky so it might not be using all 22.5W if connected to an in-between adapter.
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hi, thanks for your detailed reply. the edit with the wattage is especially useful. one last question. Does the Anker charger "fast-charge" the huawei mate 10 pro when connected directly? or just standard usb charging?
If yes, i will replace my huawei official charger with this anker one. handy that it has some usb ports as well so i can charge my bicycle lights overnight etc as well
thanks in advance for the further information

pixielott46 said:
hi, thanks for your detailed reply. the edit with the wattage is especially useful. one last question. Does the Anker charger "fast-charge" the huawei mate 10 pro when connected directly? or just standard usb charging?
If yes, i will replace my huawei official charger with this anker one. handy that it has some usb ports as well so i can charge my bicycle lights overnight etc as well
thanks in advance for the further information
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that's one of the things I actually was surprised with and didn't really expect...really good news for us because it does!! The phone registers FAST CHARGING even if I have "everything" connected for desktop mode.
* phone + incipio type-c hdmi usb combo
* incipio + hdmi-vga converter
* vga converter + vga led monitor
* Anker multi-port with type-c power delivery + anker type-c to type-c cord ..... connected to the incipio
** and a recent addition: since the incipio only has 1 regular USB port, I bought a 4-port usb hub... connected it to the incipio so that basically splits 1 into 4 usb ports... I attached my wireless keyboard/mouse combo and my Western Digital 1 Terabyte external HDD...... NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.... haha!.. phone still chargers UP with fast charging indication...
Now I guess I have a full working desktop system with the mate 10
(I'm using the regular mate 10 but I guess that shouldn't affect the charge input/output)

drkprd said:
that's one of the things I actually was surprised with and didn't really expect...really good news for us because it does!! The phone registers FAST CHARGING even if I have "everything" connected for desktop mode.
* phone + incipio type-c hdmi usb combo
* incipio + hdmi-vga converter
* vga converter + vga led monitor
* Anker multi-port with type-c power delivery + anker type-c to type-c cord ..... connected to the incipio
** and a recent addition: since the incipio only has 1 regular USB port, I bought a 4-port usb hub... connected it to the incipio so that basically splits 1 into 4 usb ports... I attached my wireless keyboard/mouse combo and my Western Digital 1 Terabyte external HDD...... NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER.... haha!.. phone still chargers UP with fast charging indication...
Now I guess I have a full working desktop system with the mate 10
(I'm using the regular mate 10 but I guess that shouldn't affect the charge input/output)
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Just an FYI to others, the Huawei Mate 10 Pro has 3 different charging modes. One is USB Charging, very very slow. One is Fast charging, like regular charging i guess. SuperCharging is really really fast. This Anker charger only fast charges my device.
I cant get SuperCharge unless I use the Huawei official charger or the Huawei AP09S PowerBank.
How can I SuperCharge with 3rd party accessories?!

pixielott46 said:
Just an FYI to others, the Huawei Mate 10 Pro has 3 different charging modes. One is USB Charging, very very slow. One is Fast charging, like regular charging i guess. SuperCharging is really really fast. This Anker charger only fast charges my device.
I cant get SuperCharge unless I use the Huawei official charger or the Huawei AP09S PowerBank.
How can I SuperCharge with 3rd party accessories?!
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To understand the chargin technologies one must understand how Watts Volts and Ampere work. Volt x Ampere = Watt. Explaining Volt and Ampere is kinda long story but to keep it short: Imagine a garden hose: The pressure of the water is Volt, the speed of the water is Ampere. Watt is the amount of water thats pouring out.
There are various technologies for charging, in the end it matter how many Watts there are. But different combinations of Volts and Ampere are possible to achieve the same amount of Watts.
There is a new universal standard called Power Delivery which was introduced with USB 3.1 Type C. So this is a standard that comes with usb 3.1 type c and that is why all the new usb3.1 type c laptops support it. (PD supports multiple protocols (combinations of V and A to reach up to 100W) and the more powerful ones mostly support the lower ones too. that means a 100W PD charging brick could charge a 5Vx3A=15W Phone, a 14Vx2A=28W iPad Pro, a 60W Macbook, an 80W Ultrabook etc.)
Previous Charging standards are something around 5V and 1A,2A, computer usb 2.0 ports only give 0.5A and usb3.0 ports give 1A, which is why some laptops have a dedicated phone charging port that delivers 2A (most phones used 5V/2A before fast charging technologies hit the market, it is also the protocol phones fall back to if the charging brick does not support the fast charging technology of the phones manufacturer)
Phone manufacturers have their own technoligies or license them from other companies. Qualcom has QuickCharge which many smartphones use (Samsung uses QuickCharge 2.0 with 9V and 1,67A (Delivers roughly 15W))
Huawei has its own SuperCharge which is based on 5V/4A and 4,5V/5A (delivers around 22W). So in order to use supercharge you have to get a charging brick that explicitely supports 4,5V/5A protocol and a cable that supports 5A (since standard USB 3.1 Type C Power Delivery protocols are based on a maximum of 3A most usb-c cables dont support 5A).
So as i mentioned before: more powerful charging bricks usually support less powerful protocols. so in order to charge devices that do not support the specific fast chargind protocol, all chargers also support 5V2A. Thats what happens if a Samsung is charged with huawei brick or my mate 10 pro is charged with the samsung brick (the difference being that Huawei seems to label the usb 3.0 pc port 5V/1A as "charging", the normal 5V/2A as fast charging and the Huawei SuperCharge at 4,5V/5A obviously is called SuperCharge). USB Power Delivery aims to end that by providing a standard that is available for all that use a 3.1 type c port. (that means if i have a 60W apple chargin brick for my macbook i can also use the same brick to charge my 29W ipad pro or another 60W usb type c ultrabook with windows with the same brick and cable without thinking twice. before usb type c and PD all laptops had to have dedicated chargers)

enricomemo said:
Regarding Desktop mode: I bought an adapter and successfully connected my mate 10 to an HD TV, but the resolution is low, does it depend on the TV, the cable, the adapter or there is a way to set the desktop mode resolution? I haven't found it ...
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Hi enrico. I have exactly the same issue and it seems like its related to the 4K TV only. FHD TV work fine with my mate 10 pro but when I connect it to 4K TV it sticks to 640*480 resolution, which is useless obviously. Have you found a solution or anyone else ?

Karl212 said:
Hi enrico. I have exactly the same issue and it seems like its related to the 4K TV only. FHD TV work fine with my mate 10 pro but when I connect it to 4K TV it sticks to 640*480 resolution, which is useless obviously. Have you found a solution or anyone else ?
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My TV isn't 4k and I too get the 640*480 resolution

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My TV isn't 4k and I too get the 640*480 resolution
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What is the model of your TV ? Maybe its a model-related issue (not the native resolution), I tried with a hdmi 2.0 cable and the problem is still here. I own a samsung 55MU7000.

drkprd said:
CORRECTION ON THE BRAND...
I was referring to Anker and yes the idea for Power Delivery appears to work.
https://www.anker.com/products/variant/PowerPort+-5-Ports-USB-C-/A2053111
Still using my desktop mode original setup:
Mate 10 - Incipio 3-port adapter (type-c/hdmi/regular usb) - hdmi to vga adapter (vga cable LED monitor) - TYPE-C to TYPE-C cable going to the new Anker desktop charger (type-c port is Power Delivery capable) ....
Phone shows FAST CHARGING instead of just charging...
https://imgur.com/a/V7qII
Started around 68% now I'm at 74%. So I guess that should be the solution. Just grab a PD (power delivery) capable charger. The one from Tronsmart should work without issues as well.
Cheers guys!:good:
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You getting much heat on the device I've used Samsung dex before and the S8 got warm but not very, I'm using the Mate 10 and the Dex hub which charges fast but phones gets quite hot using easy projection

Fast charging USB C PD power banks?

I bought this power bank: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRQDAEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Unfortunately, it doesn't fast charge my Mate 10 Pro. I have a USB C PD car charger and wall charger, both of which work fine and fast charge properly. (Tried multiple cables too). I'm wondering if there's some negotiation issue because this power bank has a bidirectional USB C port (i.e. you also charge the power bank via USB C).
I'm gonna try this one next: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NXR2T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Anyone know of a USB C PD power bank that works?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HUAWEI-Two...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B077TB39W5/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&psc=1
They may not deliver to your location

Hmm those would indeed probably work. I'm really looking for something that supports USB PD so it will work with all my other devices though...

The Mate 10 pro is not USB PD compliant.
You can kind of "quick charge" it by using a non standard charging protocol, like 9V 1,5A, but truly "supercharger" at 5V 5A, only with a Huawei supercharger device / cable.
So probably the other chargers you have support other proprietary 10 and 15w solutions that your power bank doesn't.

Luinwethion said:
The Mate 10 pro is not USB PD compliant.
You can kind of "quick charge" it by using a non standard charging protocol, like 9V 1,5A, but truly "supercharger" at 5V 5A, only with a Huawei supercharger device / cable.
So probably the other chargers you have support other proprietary 10 and 15w solutions that your power bank doesn't.
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So I ended up buying a USB C power meter. Despite the phone not supporting USB PD, as you claim, it negotiates 16W (9Vx1.8A) from all four charging devices I've tried. But for some reason the power banks don't activate fast charging, while the chargers do... I'm not sure where all the current is going, if not the battery.
FWIW, ugreen seems to think USB PD is supported: https://www.ugreen.com/news/186-en.html

kaysond said:
So I ended up buying a USB C power meter. Despite the phone not supporting USB PD, as you claim, it negotiates 16W (9Vx1.8A) from all four charging devices I've tried. But for some reason the power banks don't activate fast charging, while the chargers do... I'm not sure where all the current is going, if not the battery.
FWIW, ugreen seems to think USB PD is supported: https://www.ugreen.com/news/186-en.html
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Luinwethion said:
You can kind of "quick charge" it by using a non standard charging protocol, like 9V 1,5A, but truly "supercharger" at 5V 5A, only with a Huawei supercharger device / cable.
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I never said that the Mate wouldn't charge a faster rates, I said it isn't PD compliant, if it was USB-PD compliant, you'd get 22W.
Most chargers / power bank have compatibility for the until now used "broken" quick charging protocols, just because most devices don't support PD as of right now.
I wished the Mate would have support for PD, this would also mean fast charging and data stream at the same time (by using a dock), but try and plugging a dock that's USB-PD compliant (like the many found for the MacBooks) and plug a USB device or a HDMI cable and charging speeds drops significantly.

Luinwethion said:
I never said that the Mate wouldn't charge a faster rates, I said it isn't PD compliant, if it was USB-PD compliant, you'd get 22W.
Most chargers / power bank have compatibility for the until now used "broken" quick charging protocols, just because most devices don't support PD as of right now.
I wished the Mate would have support for PD, this would also mean fast charging and data stream at the same time (by using a dock), but try and plugging a dock that's USB-PD compliant (like the many found for the MacBooks) and plug a USB device or a HDMI cable and charging speeds drops significantly.
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What makes you think it doesn't support PD? It's obviously negotiating power somehow, and the cable I used doesn't have the D+/D- pins, so it would have to be using some other protocol over USB C...
Also none of this really explains why it's drawing 1.8A off 9V from the power banks, but not fast charging.

kaysond said:
What makes you think it doesn't support PD? It's obviously negotiating power somehow, and the cable I used doesn't have the D+/D- pins, so it would have to be using some other protocol over USB C...
Also none of this really explains why it's drawing 1.8A off 9V from the power banks, but not fast charging.
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To make terminology clear, we are talking about USB-PD rev. 2, the one found in th Pixel, MacBook, and others right? Not rev 1 or the USB battery charging protocol, those are basically outdated.
Because I see you're using a modified cable and PD rev2 needs a USB-C to C compliant cable, the specifications calls for 4 power & ground pairs and a separated communication bus.
That's why USB-PD rev2 cannot be served via USB-A plug.
Well, why do I say the Mate 10 is not PD compliant, well, take a PD compliant charger, cable and dock, connect it all to the Mate 10 and watch it either charge a 0,5mAh rate or the phone go crazy it will recognize a charger, then say it's disconnected, then say it's connected again, and so on in a continuous loop.
A USB-PD compliant device is able to handle fast charging, data and video output all at one.
I've tested this with various combination of docks, cables and chargers, and none worked... Intimation online is though to find, Huawei's official statement is "our phone supports the best, fastest, safest....." Bla bla bla....
Since most PD rev2 chargers are backwards compatible, you can use them to charge your phone just not at the "optimum rate"... 9v 2A (ish) is the last generation (Huawei P9) Huawei fast charge, and it's mostly the same profile as the Samsung fast charging, QC 2.0 and some other variants, the Mate 10 supports it too at this theoretical of 18W (although I suppose that the speed will be much slower).
The optimum "supercharger speed" is 4.5V 5A, and it's not a standard at all, that's why only Huawei chargers will be able to provide it, I also suppose that there is a lock preventing users from use the dash charger power brick for example.
But back on track, when you said that your phone is not Fast charging, I supposed that you meant that the phone was charging at a really low rate, but is it? I mean what's the difference that you are seeing between your power bank and the other chargers?
Have you tried using a USB-C to C cable from your power bank?

Luinwethion said:
To make terminology clear, we are talking about USB-PD rev. 2, the one found in th Pixel, MacBook, and others right? Not rev 1 or the USB battery charging protocol, those are basically outdated.
Because I see you're using a modified cable and PD rev2 needs a USB-C to C compliant cable, the specifications calls for 4 power & ground pairs and a separated communication bus.
That's why USB-PD rev2 cannot be served via USB-A plug.
Well, why do I say the Mate 10 is not PD compliant, well, take a PD compliant charger, cable and dock, connect it all to the Mate 10 and watch it either charge a 0,5mAh rate or the phone go crazy it will recognize a charger, then say it's disconnected, then say it's connected again, and so on in a continuous loop.
A USB-PD compliant device is able to handle fast charging, data and video output all at one.
I've tested this with various combination of docks, cables and chargers, and none worked... Intimation online is though to find, Huawei's official statement is "our phone supports the best, fastest, safest....." Bla bla bla....
Since most PD rev2 chargers are backwards compatible, you can use them to charge your phone just not at the "optimum rate"... 9v 2A (ish) is the last generation (Huawei P9) Huawei fast charge, and it's mostly the same profile as the Samsung fast charging, QC 2.0 and some other variants, the Mate 10 supports it too at this theoretical of 18W (although I suppose that the speed will be much slower).
The optimum "supercharger speed" is 4.5V 5A, and it's not a standard at all, that's why only Huawei chargers will be able to provide it, I also suppose that there is a lock preventing users from use the dash charger power brick for example.
But back on track, when you said that your phone is not Fast charging, I supposed that you meant that the phone was charging at a really low rate, but is it? I mean what's the difference that you are seeing between your power bank and the other chargers?
Have you tried using a USB-C to C cable from your power bank?
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Correct. I'm talking about USB PD 2.0. That's interesting, because I don't see the same behavior you're talking about. I wonder if you have a different model? Mine is BLA-A09
All of my charging devices are proper USB C, and support PD 2.0, and I used a marked 100W certified USB C cable. I later used a cable without D+/D- pins to test if its negotiating power using something other than USB PD. Behavior was the same.
This is what I sent to Huawei, and they basically told me the phone is optimized for their own charger. The problem is that despite negotiating, and drawing the same power from all chargers, with the power banks, it does not go into fast charge mode, which you can see from the different charging icon and the longer time to charge.
Device: Nekteck Wall Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0721KG2Q7/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 65W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.07V * 1.82A = 16.51W (https://i.imgur.com/ryDJuS0.jpg)
Charging State: Fast Charging (https://i.imgur.com/OYyQ5qK.jpg)
Device: RAVPower 26800mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRQDAEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 30W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.09V * 1.82A = 16.54W (https://i.imgur.com/8N42dyd.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/mz9XHz1.jpg)
Device: iMuto 20100mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NXR2T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 8.98V * 1.82A = 16.34W (https://i.imgur.com/hbUTmYD.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/364ADEe.jpg)
Device: Nekteck Car Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075WQQG7C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: ~16.5W
Charging State: Fast Charging
(Saitech Power Meter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT8MC3N/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

kaysond said:
Correct. I'm talking about USB PD 2.0. That's interesting, because I don't see the same behavior you're talking about. I wonder if you have a different model? Mine is BLA-A09
All of my charging devices are proper USB C, and support PD 2.0, and I used a marked 100W certified USB C cable. I later used a cable without D+/D- pins to test if its negotiating power using something other than USB PD. Behavior was the same.
This is what I sent to Huawei, and they basically told me the phone is optimized for their own charger. The problem is that despite negotiating, and drawing the same power from all chargers, with the power banks, it does not go into fast charge mode, which you can see from the different charging icon and the longer time to charge.
Device: Nekteck Wall Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0721KG2Q7/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 65W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.07V * 1.82A = 16.51W (https://i.imgur.com/ryDJuS0.jpg)
Charging State: Fast Charging (https://i.imgur.com/OYyQ5qK.jpg)
Device: RAVPower 26800mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LRQDAEI/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 30W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 9.09V * 1.82A = 16.54W (https://i.imgur.com/8N42dyd.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/mz9XHz1.jpg)
Device: iMuto 20100mAH Power Bank
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075NXR2T4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: 8.98V * 1.82A = 16.34W (https://i.imgur.com/hbUTmYD.jpg)
Charging State: Regular Charging (https://i.imgur.com/364ADEe.jpg)
Device: Nekteck Car Charger
Link: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075WQQG7C/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Maximum Output Power: 45W
Power Delivered to Mate 10 Pro: ~16.5W
Charging State: Fast Charging
(Saitech Power Meter: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MT8MC3N/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
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Ah clear, the iconography is a bit different on my device, must be just a firmware difference.
Your phone is drawing the same amount of power mostly, the charging rate should be very similar.
What about something like ampere or accu battery to check the estimated charging rate?
There are specialized devices for checking the negotiation between both devices, I suppose that it's just a question of a different chipset not triggering the fast charging status in de kernel.
Ps: my phone charges normally, I just that when connected to a dock, sadly it can't charge at more than 2,5W (at most 4w), because it isn't compatible with the newest standard that allows for double role data and power.

Luinwethion said:
Ah clear, the iconography is a bit different on my device, must be just a firmware difference.
Your phone is drawing the same amount of power mostly, the charging rate should be very similar.
What about something like ampere or accu battery to check the estimated charging rate?
There are specialized devices for checking the negotiation between both devices, I suppose that it's just a question of a different chipset not triggering the fast charging status in de kernel.
Ps: my phone charges normally, I just that when connected to a dock, sadly it can't charge at more than 2,5W (at most 4w), because it isn't compatible with the newest standard that allows for double role data and power.
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Good suggestion. I used accu battery and compared charging between battery and wall charger for 5min at around the same battery %. They're charging at exactly the same rate. So it's just some kind of UI bug that's showing the wrong icon and charge time... Now how do I get them to fix it?
That is a bummer that dual power+data is not supported!

There was a Chinese website which published some USB PD charging tests with the Huawei Mate 10. 28 different chargers were tested. I can't recall the URL offhand.
IIRC, general conclusion from their tests was that the Mate 10 could draw 9V 2A from most USB PD chargers. And that the Mate 10 only accepts 9V input voltage for USB PD fast charging.
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Quick Charge \ AFC to VOOC \ Dash \ Rapid adapter

I have a ton of Qualcomm quick chargers and I'm not feeling this Dash charge with its special cable restriction. I saw this adapter and from the reddit posts, it seems to work well. It even works with normal USB Type C cable. Does anyone have experience with it and the 6T?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=SFC+AFC+VOOC+SCP&_sacat=0

I have some coming in the mail as we speak - I will let you know once I get them tested. There are supposedly some signaling differences between different OP versions, which may require a new adapter.
My take is that none of the WEB- adapters (on eBay) would work with the 6T, since that manufacturer is already selling a specialized adapter for OP beyond or equals to 5T. The WEB- adapters, however, offer a wider range of fast charge protocols as opposed to the YZXStudio adapter, which supports only VOOC-DASH. The YZXStudio adapter also has a current cap, which you can slightly adjust by soldering pins on the adapter itself. You are unlikely to get the full benefit of DASH from the YZXStudio adapter because of this cap, although your Quick Charge chargers most likely will be the limiting factor. Also note that the WEB- adapters require an input of at least 10 or so volts, so their A2A adapters will automatically request QC2/3 @ 12V. If your adapter does not support 12V, then it would not work properly. Your adapter should at least output 12V @ 1.5A for it to be any good after conversion losses.

This cable works although it seems to have gone out of stock.
COOYA OnePlus 6 Dash Type-C Charger Cable, 5V 4A Dash Charge USB C Cable Charging Rapidly, Braided USB Type C Fast Charger Cable Dash Charging for OnePlus 5T, OnePlus 5, OnePlus 3T, OnePlus 3 (6.6FT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F3DYDC7

Jaxidian said:
This cable works although it seems to have gone out of stock.
COOYA OnePlus 6 Dash Type-C Charger Cable, 5V 4A Dash Charge USB C Cable Charging Rapidly, Braided USB Type C Fast Charger Cable Dash Charging for OnePlus 5T, OnePlus 5, OnePlus 3T, OnePlus 3 (6.6FT) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07F3DYDC7
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I think the OP is trying to avoid using OP specific cables but rather use a QC2/3-DASH adapter and a normal USB-C cable for charging the phone. That said, aftermarket cables are not that expensive on AliExpress, eBay, or even Amazon. Although if you insist, I would encourage that you get heavier gauge USB cables for this...

chowfun said:
I have some coming in the mail as we speak - I will let you know once I get them tested. There are supposedly some signaling differences between different OP versions, which may require a new adapter.
My take is that none of the WEB- adapters (on eBay) would work with the 6T, since that manufacturer is already selling a specialized adapter for OP beyond or equals to 5T. The WEB- adapters, however, offer a wider range of fast charge protocols as opposed to the YZXStudio adapter, which supports only VOOC-DASH. The YZXStudio adapter also has a current cap, which you can slightly adjust by soldering pins on the adapter itself. You are unlikely to get the full benefit of DASH from the YZXStudio adapter because of this cap, although your Quick Charge chargers most likely will be the limiting factor. Also note that the WEB- adapters require an input of at least 10 or so volts, so their A2A adapters will automatically request QC2/3 @ 12V. If your adapter does not support 12V, then it would not work properly. Your adapter should at least output 12V @ 1.5A for it to be any good after conversion losses.
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Thank you for the information. Please let me know what you can find. I do have QC adapters that support 12V. If there're adapters that works, I rather buy those instead of investing in new bricks, cables, car chargers, battery packs,... My other devices either support QC or PD. Investing in Dash charger doesn't make any sense at all.

chowfun said:
I think the OP is trying to avoid using OP specific cables but rather use a QC2/3-DASH adapter and a normal USB-C cable for charging the phone. That said, aftermarket cables are not that expensive on AliExpress, eBay, or even Amazon. Although if you insist, I would encourage that you get heavier gauge USB cables for this...
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Oh, then I misunderstood something. I did read it quickly.
Thanks for pointing out my error.

tengtengvn said:
Thank you for the information. Please let me know what you can find. I do have QC adapters that support 12V. If there're adapters that works, I rather buy those instead of investing in new bricks, cables, car chargers, battery packs,... My other devices either support QC or PD. Investing in Dash charger doesn't make any sense at all.
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I hear you - I did buy a multifunction car charger that supports both QC3.0 and DASH - I will report whether that works when it comes (hopefully later in the week if not the following week). I have also gotten the specialized versions from WEB- in China so once I get those I will let you know.

So I got one of the adapters today - this is an older version that does DC to Type C, so I did not expect it to work (even though it specifically listed VOOC and DASH support - maybe it worked for an older OP version).
This one was from eBay, and supposedly the seller sent me the wrong item (WEB- makes a 12V and a 20V PD version - and instead of the 20V version they sent me the 12V version instead - which can only decrease voltage due to the builtin buck converter inside).
So the question is - does it work with DASH charging? --- No, it did not. However, it is still an interesting adapter because it has broad fast charge technology support. They market this little adapter to convert your "dumb" laptop charger into a "multifunctional charger."
Interesting facts:
1. This adapter requires 12V for it to function. It does start turning on at around 11V or so, and anything below that will cause the output to shut off and the operation light to go red. The USB to USB version automatically requests QC @ 12V, but obviously, this cannot be done on a DC jack (on this particular version).
2. As soon as the voltage going in exceeds 11.5V, the output turns on with a steady blue status indication.
3. The USB-C version of this adapter supports USB-C Power Delivery (PD2.0) with three selectable voltages 5.00V @ 3.03A, 9.00V @ 2.39A, 12.00V @ 2.31A (there is a 20V version that supposedly does 15 and 20V as well for laptops, but the seller sent me the wrong version).
4. The input side is a 5.5 x 2.5 DC jack, which is somewhat odd as an input because most input jacks use the smaller 5.5 x 2.1 jack (you can use an adapter on it, however).
5. You can see from the tester that this adapter supports pretty much everything, except VOOC/DASH and 20V QC and AFC 12V.
6. QC 2.0 9V engages just fine to charge my older Nexus 6 via a USB-C to USB-A adapter (since the D+/D- lines are intact).
I do have more adapters coming in soon so I will let you know how they go once they come in (including the WEB- VOOC/DASH specialized USB-USB adapter). This particular version may be a fun adapter to play with, although it won't really help with DASH charging on the OnePlus.

tengtengvn said:
I have a ton of Qualcomm quick chargers and I'm not feeling this Dash charge with its special cable restriction. I saw this adapter and from the reddit posts, it seems to work well. It even works with normal USB Type C cable. Does anyone have experience with it and the 6T?
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=SFC+AFC+VOOC+SCP&_sacat=0
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I bought the first one and tried in my car yesterday. With the cable come with OP6T, the DASH charging works! It shows charging rapidly. Cool!

thomast said:
I bought the first one and tried in my car yesterday. With the cable come with OP6T, the DASH charging works! It shows charging rapidly. Cool!
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Nice. Can you link to the exact one that you bought? For it work with non dash cable?
chowfun said:
I do have more adapters coming in soon so I will let you know how they go once they come in (including the WEB- VOOC/DASH specialized USB-USB adapter). This particular version may be a fun adapter to play with, although it won't really help with DASH charging on the OnePlus.
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Wow. Thanks for the info. It looks like a good replacement for the Macbook 12 30W adapter. :laugh:

tengtengvn said:
Nice. Can you link to the exact one that you bought? For it work with non dash cable?
Wow. Thanks for the info. It looks like a good replacement for the Macbook 12 30W adapter. :laugh:
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The seller is resending me the 20V version - will let you know how that goes

Just using anker usb3.0 cables i had from a previous phone. Dont really need to dash charge, this phone seems fast enough.
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dermotti said:
Just using anker usb3.0 cables i had from a previous phone. Dont really need to dash charge, this phone seems fast enough.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A6013 using Tapatalk
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Thanks for letting us know but what point are you trying to make? :silly:

tengtengvn said:
Thanks for letting us know but what point are you trying to make? :silly:
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Lol somehow i posted in the wrong thread. Meant to post in the "what usbc are you using for your oneplus"
Facepalm
Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk

Here's an update on the car adapter I have received. Note that the other adapters are still on the slow boat so I will get to them when they arrive. This isn't necessarily what you are after, but nonetheless, it's another interesting toy. If you are interested, it can be found on AliExpress under item number 32916499372.
This is a car charger that accepts 12-24V input, and also supposedly supports multiple fast charging technologies (DASH, VOOC, QC, etc). It comes with an "original" (questionable - but capable of 3.5A charge) DASH cable which is not bad at all for about $13.
Interesting facts:
1) The car charger comes with dual USB ports. One "quick charge" port and one "standard" port. The quick charge port lights up red on one side and the blue indicates the normal charge port. Some may like that it lights up, but my thought is that it's a waste of energy.
2) The Quick Charge port supports all available quick charge methods (the VOOC-DASH section don't light up probably because it doesn't use the same protocol for unblocking DASH charging that the original charger requires).
3) The charger does not require an ID chip on the USB-C cable (unlike the stock charger), which means you can use any USB-A to USB-C cable on the market to activate DASH charging (as long as the D+/D- pins are not shorted out). This car charger doesn't even have the odd PIN in the back of the USB connector for the ID communication.
4) The car charger is not as fast as the stock wall charger, which charges around 3.5A. Here are the test comparisons (allow some current variances due to battery percentage ~70-72% - note all of them had the lightning bolt on the charging indicator which indicated that DASH was indeed activated with none of these cables having D+/D- shorted):
a) Normal, 1 ft USB-A to C Cable: 2.46A
b) Bundled DASH cable, w/ car charger: 2.73A
c) Bundled DASH cable, w/ stock wall charger: 3.5A
d) Normal, 3 ft (Rankie) USB C Cable: 2.56A
e) Normal, 3 ft MicroUSB w/ USB-C Adapter (ANKER): 1.95A
f) Normal, 3 ft multi (MicroUSB + Type C) free conference charging cable: 1.32A (this one did not "pass" the fast charging test because the current is below 1.5A but nonetheless it triggered DASH charging).
Not a big difference if you use quality cables, although don't expect it to charge as fast as the wall charger - nonetheless, it is still doing pretty well with less heat generated due to lesser current.
5) As mentioned previously, the charger supports multiple charging technologies besides DASH, where it activated QC 2.0 9V on my Nexus 6 just fine.
6) Since this adapter allows 12-24V DC input, you can use a DC to lighter adapter to power this device (as you can see in my screenshots I used a laptop battery pack and a 12V router wall brick and it was able to turn on and charge my devices just fine.) This may also be a good way to have a longer reach charging solution since DASH is very cable sensitive and it is best to keep the cable length short to minimize the reduction in charging currents.

Here's a test of the 100 cm noodle cable on AliExpress (item 32806193071):
Using the stock wall charger, charging the phone @ ~50%:
The genuine OnePlus cable was able to charge at 3.657A @ 4.69V (17.15W).
The noodle cable on AliExpress was able to charge at 3.617A @ 4.81V (17.4W).
Based on the results, it seemed like the quality was as good as the genuine cable, at least the copper that is carrying the power to the phone.

Here are the test results of the final adapter I received from WEB- (the specialized VOOC-DASH version - Taobao Item #560336325713):
Stuff to note:
1) This adapter is very similar to the car adapter, in which it supports pretty much all quick charge technologies and it does not require the OnePlus ID chip to activate DASH charging. However, this adapter is QC activated and has a USB-A input interface. Like the car charger, this charger is also not as fast as the stock wall brick, although it is still relatively quick.)
2) The USB pinout schematic also looks the same as the car charger (USB 2.0 with no dangling USB 3.0 pin in the back for ID chip identification).
3) Like the other 12V based WEB- adapters, this one uses the IP6518C chipset, which supports a wide voltage input (10.5V - 32V - from the chipset datasheet).
4) The board looks fairly similar to the USB-C board, except this one has a USB-A input (which is interesting because the board has the DC 12V-24V marking on it still).
5) The board also has the POW and OK lights similar to the USB-C version.
6) Since the board accepts broad input voltages, it is not required to use QC for the input voltage. A USB-A to 5.5 x 2.1 adapter could be used to also provide the DC input, as long as the voltage is above 10.5V.
7) Although the board indeed supports down stepping a 20V DC input, it seems like it is a bit less efficient in doing so than a 12V input.
8) Similar to the previous cable tests, the quality and the length of the cable really makes a difference. The shorter and the better quality cable that is used, the better the charging rate (remember that an official cable does not need to be used for third-party chargers).
9) As mentioned previously, this charger supports other fast charging technologies, like QC2.0 - which works fine in charging my Nexus 6 at 9V.
10) This charger / adapter essentially allows any 12V @ 1.5A output to be a multifunction fast charger w/ DASH support. In my example, I used a Xiaomi router wall brick (12 V @ 1.5A DC) and it charges my phone using DASH at almost 3A output using a short 1ft USB-C cable! (the phone registers the current slightly lower at around 2750mA).

Great info, @chowfun. I was able to purchase 2 OPPO wall chargers from Asia and a 3rd party VOOC car charger which work great.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78182174&postcount=24
I also got the same oneplus flat cable but 150cm length. It works good with no notable slow down.
From your findings, it looks like the WEB- adapter charge slower but that's still plenty fast and much more convenience. :good: Does it generate a lot of heat when charging a low battery?

Nice keyboard, I like it. ?
That said, the Quick9 charger you bought probably does not require the ID chip as far as DASH is concerned. I didn't get that one because it had a lower current rating and that the top of the charger is wider than the other one I bought. I doubt the OPPO charger would work with a regular microUSB cable since I presume that it also requires the chip on the cable end... Did you also see what kind of maximum currents you are seeing on those chargers?
Heat wise, it does generate a bit of heat with the conversion. But given that the adapter is housed in an aluminum case it's to be expected. It feels just slightly warm to the touch, but not exactly hot to the touch. Instead of that conversion being done in the phone it's just being done outside the phone which is directing the heat away from the battery...

chowfun said:
Nice keyboard, I like it.
That said, the Quick9 charger you bought probably does not require the ID chip as far as DASH is concerned. I doubt the OPPO charger would work with a regular microUSB cable since I presume that it also requires the chip on the cable end... Did you also see what kind of maximum currents you are seeing on those charges?
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LOL. My wife doesn't like those RGB lights. lol
The input and output of the OPPO charger look exactly the same as the 1+ charger. It's pretty much identical except for the cosmetic (logo, prints, the USB A female is green). They're selling for $4.

Question Super fast charging 2.0 on Baseus charger

This is the 100W Baseus deskop charger and I have two issues with it:
1. When two USB C ports are used, the power division is C1=65W and C2=30W. So C1 should still be more than capable enough to handle SFC 2.0 45W charging. But as you can see in the video, SFC 2.0 is not working when two USB C ports are used.
2. When I charge at SFC 2.0 and SFC 1.0 with the same charger, they both cap at 33W. I thought SFC 1.0 is just 25W? When I use the official 25W Samsung SFC 1.0 charger, it just caps off at 24W as expected.
Baseus support sucks big time so I'm having a problem reporting this to them.

kevindd992002 said:
This is the 100W Baseus deskop charger and I have two issues with it:
1. When two USB C ports are used, the power division is C1=65W and C2=30W. So C1 should still be more than capable enough to handle SFC 2.0 45W charging. But as you can see in the video, SFC 2.0 is not working when two USB C ports are used.
2. When I charge at SFC 2.0 and SFC 1.0 with the same charger, they both cap at 33W. I thought SFC 1.0 is just 25W? When I use the official 25W Samsung SFC 1.0 charger, it just caps off at 24W as expected.
Baseus support sucks big time so I'm having a problem reporting this to them.
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Baseus GaN5 Pro 65 watt can charge at 50watt peak.
after 60 percent,watt same as samsung 25 watt charger.

But your measurement is input power to the charger and not output power to the phone. There's a bit of a difference because of power adapter efficiency. I don't know what is the difference between the Gan5 Pro 65W and this 100W adapter really.

BUMP! Anyone please?

This is normal for such a charger. I have a PZOZ version - 65W GaN 2xUSB C + 1xUSB A. SFC 2.0 works only with 1 device plugged in, if you plug another (it might be a 5W one) - this breaks the SFC. I can assume that this is coming from the controller and the device is actually not capable to support such scenario, even though the power is declared as 100W.

Hmmm, that's interesting. I thought the issue was isolated to BaseUS. Their support is really non-existent. They reply but it's like you're talking to a stupid person that does not understand the issue.
Aside from this issue, do you have any other issues when using both ports? As for me, when I charge my phone while my laptop is plugged in, it sometimes drops the wattage on the laptop device to just 19w. If the laptop is plugged in by itself, it goes up to 59w. Not sure what's going on here.
Are there any usb c car chargers that support sfc 2.0?

kevindd992002 said:
Hmmm, that's interesting. I thought the issue was isolated to BaseUS. Their support is really non-existent. They reply but it's like you're talking to a stupid person that does not understand the issue.
Aside from this issue, do you have any other issues when using both ports? As for me, when I charge my phone while my laptop is plugged in, it sometimes drops the wattage on the laptop device to just 19w. If the laptop is plugged in by itself, it goes up to 59w. Not sure what's going on here.
Are there any usb c car chargers that support sfc 2.0?
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Nmc_alves® said:

S23 Ultra requires 10v 4.5 amp to achieve 45 w charging . Charger and Cable both should be capable of 5 amp current capacity and Charger should support PD 3.0 with PPS at 5 amp that is the basic requirement, Cable should have a e-marker chip to identify it as having 5 amp capacity to the charger. usually such cables have 5 amp written on the USB C port and are visibly thicker than the normal 3 amp cables .

ask77 said:
S23 Ultra requires 10v 4.5 amp to achieve 45 w charging . Charger and Cable both should be capable of 5 amp current capacity and Charger should support PD 3.0 with PPS at 5 amp that is the basic requirement, Cable should have a e-marker chip to identify it as having 5 amp capacity to the charger. usually such cables have 5 amp written on the USB C port and are visibly thicker than the normal 3 amp cables .
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Do you have any reference for that 10V 4.5A information? Some say it's 9V 5A but I never saw any official claims from Samsung regarding that too. I have no issues with cables. I'm using 100W BaseUS cables with e-marker chips on them. They don't have the 5A writing on them but they are obviously thicker than the included Samsung cable (which is only for 25W charging). Here are the specs of the 100W BaseUS desktop charger that I have:
As you can see, it does support PD3.0. Although PPS is not written there, it does support it as well as confirmed by BaseUS support and the video that I showed. I don't see 10V anywhere though so I'm not sure how it works with PPS or something. Does PPS adjust the voltage with fine adjustments or something? Also, that doesn't explain the issue I'm having where SFC 2.0 won't work when two USB ports are used. It only works when the phone is charged alone and this defeats the purpose of buying a multi-port charger in the first place.

Go to settings, about phone , and then status information the last entry there is Rated 10 V 4.5 Amp . Yes pps adjusts voltage with fine adjustment of 20mv . It can provide between 3.3 V to 21 V at upto 5 Amp . Your problem seems to be related to the charger itself which is unable to deliver the required power when two usb ports are used . BTW you can use an app called accubattery which should give you the exact charging data for your phone.

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Go to settings, about phone , and then status information the last entry there is Rated 10 V 4.5 Amp . Yes pps adjusts voltage with fine adjustment of 20mv . It can provide between 3.3 V to 21 V at upto 5 Amp . Your problem seems to be related to the charger itself which is unable to deliver the required power when two usb ports are used . BTW you can use an app called accubattery which should give you the exact charging data for your phone.
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Ok, I see that now. Well, @Stenlius replied to this thread and says that this is normal. Any comments on that?
What's more weird though is that when it's charging at sfc 2.0, the cable only shows 33w. When I plug in another device in the charger, it renegotiates to sfc 1.0 but still at 33w!
When I use the official 25w samsung charger with the same cable, it goes down to 24w as expected.

SFC 2.0 - So far I have only seen with the Samsung official chargers. I've spent so much money on Belkin, Baseus, UGreen, Anker accessories and never been able to get peak speeds.

JazonX said:
SFC 2.0 - So far I have only seen with the Samsung official chargers. I've spent so much money on Belkin, Baseus, UGreen, Anker accessories and never been able to get peak speeds.
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Oh wow, that's good to know. Were you getting around the same wattage as I do at 33W? I still have time to return these and is why I'm asking for help here to verify if I don't have an isolated issue or something.

kevindd992002 said:
Oh wow, that's good to know. Were you getting around the same wattage as I do at 33W? I still have time to return these and is why I'm asking for help here to verify if I don't have an isolated issue or something.
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Never had the tools to measure the wattage output.
I just plug and wait for SFC 2.0 to show up, and if it doesn't - I just get rid of it.
I've tried 120W Xiaomi chargers as well.
Max anything other than samsung genuine chargers can go up to is "Fast Charging" or super charging 1.0.

JazonX said:
Never had the tools to measure the wattage output.
I just plug and wait for SFC 2.0 to show up, and if it doesn't - I just get rid of it.
I've tried 120W Xiaomi chargers as well.
Max anything other than samsung genuine chargers can go up to is "Fast Charging" or super charging 1.0.
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Well theh that's not the same case as mine. If you read my OP and watched the video, you'll see that I can do sfc 2.0 with this baseus charger but only maxes at 33 watts. I thought you had the same issue as mine.

kevindd992002 said:
Well theh that's not the same case as mine. If you read my OP and watched the video, you'll see that I can do sfc 2.0 with this baseus charger but only maxes at 33 watts. I thought you had the same issue as mine.
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peak charging only below 20 percent.
after that 3x watt.
after 60 percent 2x watt,same as 25 watt samsung original charger and cable from the box.(3A cable).
basesus gan 2 lite 65 watt and basesus gan 5 pro 65 watt support SFC 2.0.
tested with S23 Ultra.
this image is s23 ultra at 15 percent battery.
charging with samsung original 45 watt charger.

domperidane said:
peak charging only below 20 percent.
after that 3x watt.
after 60 percent 2x watt,same as 25 watt samsung original charger and cable from the box.(3A cable).
basesus gan 2 lite 65 watt and basesus gan 5 pro 65 watt support SFC 2.0.
tested with S23 Ultra.
this image is s23 ultra at 15 percent battery.
charging with samsung original 45 watt charger.
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Ok, that makes sense. I'll try charging at 15% and see if it makes it to 48W.
Also, have you tried charging yout s23 ultra with more than one usb port plugged in your charger? That does not work as you see in my video.

kevindd992002 said:
Ok, that makes sense. I'll try charging at 15% and see if it makes it to 48W.
Also, have you tried charging yout s23 ultra with more than one usb port plugged in your charger? That does not work as you see in my video.
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may be there is a problem with your charger.
you can claim warranty.

domperidane said:
may be there is a problem with your charger.
you can claim warranty.
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No there is none. I posted on reddit before buying this and one guy posted the same issue. Can you test with yours?

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