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Since I went android, I've had nothing but HTC phones. I loved my Eris, incredible, & now thunderbolt. I've been following up on all these tech news, and I am starting to get curious of other phones. So my question to you all is, what phone would you guys consider outside of HTC? I've been following up on the 5" Samsung galaxy q that we only have rumors about, mainly because it has a bigass screen and I currently don't own a tab. If it had usb host mode then it would be a no brainer for me. I'm sold. But I looove HTC tho. I wish they could make a 5" phone/tab.
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Since I went android, I've had nothing but HTC phones. I loved my Eris, incredible, & now thunderbolt. I've been following up on all these tech news, and I am starting to get curious of other phones. So my question to you all is, what phone would you guys consider outside of HTC? I've been following up on the 5" Samsung galaxy q that we only have rumors about, mainly because it has a bigass screen and I currently don't own a tab. If it had usb host mode then it would be a no brainer for me. I'm sold. But I looove HTC tho. I wish they could make a 5" phone/tab.
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5" phone = even worse battery life than the 4.3" ones.
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5" phone = even worse battery life than the 4.3" ones.
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More screen to hide a REAL battery beneath though. Still, I'm not a fan of looking like a world-class dork holding a phone nearly the width of a 2x4 to my head for a call. Not to mention it probably looks about as garish as a Desert Eagle strapped to your side beneath a shirt or jacket. Who was it that made that phone/tab thing that was just HUGE? Dell, I think it was. Too massive to be a good phone, too dinky to be a good tablet... The only thing to out-class it in "WEIRD..." is that frankenphone Kyocera makes with the unfold-expand-"I'm a Nintendo DS Android!" thing.
That said, I'm a Samsung fan in all reality. Up until I went BlackBerry, that's all I would buy. And then Samsung met Android and began gene splicing with... SOMETHING... and I do NOT like it. It's the digital equivalent of a butterface. It's all sexy and smooth inside and out, but then you look at the screen and say "oh dear... there's NO way I'm gonna live with that hook-nose, acne-scarred, Jay Leno chinned monstrosity of a UI. The ONLY thing worse than AOSP and it's mutant launchers, in my opinion, is WizTouch, or whatever it's called. That would disappear from any Samsung I owned within hours.
As for Motorola... I'll quote myself. "There's some boner-inducing devices". Quirky TI CPUs that leave you asking "Where's the GHz?", pale and pasty screens, Motorola's world-famous garbage radios, E-Fuse, and a LONG history of making some of the worst phones ever. Any Motorola is the last device I'd own.
LG... At least they didn't try to be original and fail. Looks like ADW on AOSP mostly. More junk radios though.
I'm sure most didn't see it coming 5 or 6 years ago, but HTC does seem to be where it's at, with Samsung on their heels. Now if Samsung would just ramp up capacity on those AMOLED screens and outsource them again, little puppies wouldn't have to die.
Have you guys actually played with a Dell Streak?
As soon as I did, I understood the following...
5"=too big for phone unless you ALWAYS use bluetooth
Absolute_Zero said:
Have you guys actually played with a Dell Streak?
As soon as I did, I understood the following...
5"=too big for phone unless you ALWAYS use bluetooth
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I might be wrong, but I thought there was already a 5" samsung on ATT. If so I would agree you better try holding up to your ear and putting in your pocket before you sink money into buying it. Trying it there right now would be a good sign whether you should forget about buying it whenever it comes to verizon.
I'm guessing none of you are big guys, I'm 6'2" and I have large hands and 4.3" phones are a little small when in landscape and typing. Another 1/4-1/2" would be perfect for me, while others still think a 3.7" screen is the sweet spot. Also you have to keep in mind that the rumor is that these new phones with larger screens have smaller bezels.
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I'm guessing none of you are big guys, I'm 6'2" and I have large hands and 4.3" phones are a little small when in landscape and typing. Another 1/4-1/2" would be perfect for me, while others still think a 3.7" screen is the sweet spot. Also you have to keep in mind that the rumor is that these new phones with larger screens have smaller bezels.
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I'm 6'4 so a little on you . However, I use swype so typing in landscape works okay for me. Normally do it with just my thumb. Other keyboards that use touch typing, well...results may vary
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I'm 6'4 so a little on you . However, I use swype so typing in landscape works okay for me. Normally do it with just my thumb. Other keyboards that use touch typing, well...results may vary
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Ha im 6ft5.5
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Just keep getting bigger, I'm 7'2" and weigh 650 so the 10 " tab is a great phone size for me.
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lol I call bull****
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I didn't "choose" to come to a Thunderbolt. I wanted a Samsung Charge, but couldn't find one to trade my iPhone for, so I SETTLED for the Thunderbolt. Believe me, I wouldn't be on this thing if I didn't have to be.
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Just keep getting bigger, I'm 7'2" and weigh 650 so the 10 " tab is a great phone size for me.
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Lol. U guys are a trip. I'm 6"2 but I do feel like my thunderbolt is kinda adequately sized. But I'm a photographer, I like to view my images on something other than my camera when I'm nowhere near my imac. I don't own a laptop. And the tablet market has not caught up with the multimedia market yet. But I'm aware some phones and tablets have usb hosting mode. So a phone/tablet would be ideal. 5.3" screen would be an adequate in-between size for tablet and phone use imo. But the idea of usb host is what would sell me on something like that. It may not even be a possibility for that matter so... Well just have to wait n see.
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Just keep getting bigger, I'm 7'2" and weigh 650 so the 10 " tab is a great phone size for me.
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Big show?
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Originally Posted by ibsk8
Just keep getting bigger, I'm 7'2" and weigh 650 so the 10 " tab is a great phone size for me.
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Big show?
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He would make an awesome sumo wrestler at that height/weight.
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More screen to hide a REAL battery beneath though. Still, I'm not a fan of looking like a world-class dork holding a phone nearly the width of a 2x4 to my head for a call. Not to mention it probably looks about as garish as a Desert Eagle strapped to your side beneath a shirt or jacket. Who was it that made that phone/tab thing that was just HUGE? Dell, I think it was. Too massive to be a good phone, too dinky to be a good tablet... The only thing to out-class it in "WEIRD..." is that frankenphone Kyocera makes with the unfold-expand-"I'm a Nintendo DS Android!" thing.
That said, I'm a Samsung fan in all reality. Up until I went BlackBerry, that's all I would buy. And then Samsung met Android and began gene splicing with... SOMETHING... and I do NOT like it. It's the digital equivalent of a butterface. It's all sexy and smooth inside and out, but then you look at the screen and say "oh dear... there's NO way I'm gonna live with that hook-nose, acne-scarred, Jay Leno chinned monstrosity of a UI. The ONLY thing worse than AOSP and it's mutant launchers, in my opinion, is WizTouch, or whatever it's called. That would disappear from any Samsung I owned within hours.
As for Motorola... I'll quote myself. "There's some boner-inducing devices". Quirky TI CPUs that leave you asking "Where's the GHz?", pale and pasty screens, Motorola's world-famous garbage radios, E-Fuse, and a LONG history of making some of the worst phones ever. Any Motorola is the last device I'd own.
LG... At least they didn't try to be original and fail. Looks like ADW on AOSP mostly. More junk radios though.
I'm sure most didn't see it coming 5 or 6 years ago, but HTC does seem to be where it's at, with Samsung on their heels. Now if Samsung would just ramp up capacity on those AMOLED screens and outsource them again, little puppies wouldn't have to die.
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I have to use an AT&T phone for work so I chose the Atrix...it's pretty decent since it got updated to 2.3.4 but the UI is absolute garbage. It's snappy like I want it to be, but you are exactly right about the colors on the screen being incredibly muted. At the end of the day though I am quite happy to switch to my bolt.
I have been a bit curious about the Bionic that seems like it may actually be coming out soon-ish. If they did something about the terrible color quality it could potentially be worth looking into. My wife just got a Droid 3 because she refuses to have a phone without a physical keyboard...it's not terrible. Haven't played with it too much, but from what I have played with I wasn't too disappointed with.
I'd still want to stay away from Moto phones for a while. Any influence google will have over them probably wont happen until the generation after the next so whatever comes out later this year will probably be similar to what Moto has done in the past.
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I'd still want to stay away from Moto phones for a while. Any influence google will have over them probably wont happen until the generation after the next so whatever comes out later this year will probably be similar to what Moto has done in the past.
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Well damn....I am curious to see what comes out of Google buying them.
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Well damn....I am curious to see what comes out of Google buying them.
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Yeah, I'd say most of what is in the bionic is already set other than some software tweaks they may do. Hopefully it wont have blur on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath since it's a phone that's been in the works for a while.
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I'd still want to stay away from Moto phones for a while. Any influence google will have over them probably wont happen until the generation after the next so whatever comes out later this year will probably be similar to what Moto has done in the past.
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Yeah, I'd say most of what is in the bionic is already set other than some software tweaks they may do. Hopefully it wont have blur on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath since it's a phone that's been in the works for a while.
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Some people just want the best hardware build quality and for that you have to get Motorola. As long as the bionic gets rooted I want it. I'm trying to hold out on a replacement phone until it comes out because I won't use LG or Samsung and this is my 4th thunderbolt so my next replacement they will replace with a different 4g phone. The thunderbolt has good software, with its bugs but all phones do, and the BAMF roms are great but the poor build quality of these phones is something I'm not gonna deal with anymore. I've played with a incredible and it seemed much better in terms of quality so I wouldn't write off HTC phones like I have LG and Samsung, I just think its because they rushed to get a 4g phone out.
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Some people just want the best hardware build quality and for that you have to get Motorola. As long as the bionic gets rooted I want it. I'm trying to hold out on a replacement phone until it comes out because I won't use LG or Samsung and this is my 4th thunderbolt so my next replacement they will replace with a different 4g phone. The thunderbolt has good software, with its bugs but all phones do, and the BAMF roms are great but the poor build quality of these phones is something I'm not gonna deal with anymore. I've played with a incredible and it seemed much better in terms of quality so I wouldn't write off HTC phones like I have LG and Samsung, I just think its because they rushed to get a 4g phone out.
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Sorry man... I'm just gonna have to disagree with you on the whole Motorola build quality thing. I've gone though so many of those phone it's not even funny. The electronics and radios they use are garbage. My dad had a thing for Motorola for some ungodly reason and had these things laying around all over the place. Every time I activated one to give to someone it either buzzed so loud you couldn't hear anything, the mic would just randomly die, the controls didn't work/respond, the displays looked like crap, and without a single exception, NONE of them had a radio in them worth a damn. I couldn't even call into customer service to complain because the POS wouldn't work on the switchboard! Totally and completely worthless devices that couldn't so much as hold a signal to receive a text while I'd be on my Samsung chatting away. They sold those POS Razr's like crack to addicts, but they were garbage! Now my buddy has a DX that flips on and off, hangs up in calls, just stops responding, and goes and does stuff all by itself. Surprised? I wasn't. Pretty par for the course given what I've seen Motorola crank out for the last 6 years. I told the last guy who tried selling me on a Motorola that he'd have an easier time selling condoms in a convent. It's not often I hate on a product or company this much, but honestly, if they were giving Bionics away for free I STILL wouldn't activate one on one of my lines.
I'll be looking for something to bridge the gap between my phone and desktop when I sell my laptop for about $550, and I see them going for that much brand new and unlocked on Amazon. Don't want to spend more than $300, otherwise I feel I might as well keep my laptop and save myself the hassle. The exception would be the upcoming Acer 8" Windows tablet because it'd be a full version of Windows that's very portable and with good battery life for about $400.
Anyway, hardware-wise it looks spectacular - rear camera that's actually worthwhile, great speakers (including a subwoofer), feels good to hold, has accurate pen input available, includes data capabilities (which I believe would also work on T-Mobile LTE), etc. Only thing that sucks is that it's stuck on Honeycomb, at least for now. Which, honestly, I don't really mind it being stuck on Honeycomb, if it works and is good hardware-wise - I'm kinda past the mentality of "needing" the newest version of Android on my device.
Is there anything wrong with it, or anything to consider when buying it? I know there's also the Asus Memo Pad 10" for only $30 more with newest Android and a faster processor, but I'm wondering specifically about the Jetstream for Sense, the build quality, and data capabilities.
its great for the first 5 minutes.
then the lag begins..honeycomb is slowing this thing alot.
if can wait, do so. there's a developer working on a better kernel, one that should put all those issues away. can't tell how long it'll take, because its already been around 3 months. wait a month more and see if something changed..
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its great for the first 5 minutes.
then the lag begins..honeycomb is slowing this thing alot.
if can wait, do so. there's a developer working on a better kernel, one that should put all those issues away. can't tell how long it'll take, because its already been around 3 months. wait a month more and see if something changed..
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Do none of the current ROMs alleviate these lag issues? Just wondering.
Hardly.
Honeycomb isn't fit to work with dual core, only with a proper kernel the device will work properly
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Oh yeah !!!! worth every penny of it, my other friend is thinking hard how to get rid of his NEW Tab_2 10.1" to get this one, Sense is so much better Touchwiz.
I have given mine to my sis, without a Jetstream now, ohhhhh it's so hard without it now..... today went to another shop to buy it, but new stock was late arriving, I left. May be go again tomorrow or Friday.
So I bit the bullet and bought one last night...I don't know if I was extremely unlucky, but the one I bought labeled as new was clearly not:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009HNVPUK/
I bought it from Masterdeals with express shipping, got it today...right off the bat, the seal was clearly broken and covered with another smaller seal. I didn't get a startup/tutorial screen on boot, or even the default homescreen layout, and I'm 100% sure I've never seen an Android device that had the "Unknown Sources" checkbox ticked by default. And to make matters worse, it came preloaded with what I'm pretty sure are two adware/spam/etc. apps installed to system (AIRPUSH EULA and FREE APPS - the former of which doesn't even appear in the app drawer and starts itself in the background).
Thankfully I'm able to get a refund for the shipping too, but it looks like I'm going to have to restrict myself to buying a legitimately used one off eBay if I want one.
I see, take it easy, you'll get what you want next round.
Seriously, I obsess over it. Like every 10 minutes I'm changing a wallpaper, icons or downloading a new launcher. How far the icons are from the sides or bottom of the screen bugs me etc..just a million small things and I literally spend over half my day rearranging everything lol. Am I the only one? It's even somewhat become a problem between me and my fiance. She hates how I'm always staring at my phone and when I finally put it down she always says "are you SURE your done?" Lol. It's funny but I hope I'm not alone on this
No. It's just you.
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I've come to that conclusion. I have bad ADD and it causes me to find one thing to focus on and once I do, I don't concentrate on anything else lol. It's a horrible curse.
I used to be that bad, when I got my first Android 6 or so years ago. My wife used to get mad at me for living on my phone, then I got her one and she does the same thing.
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I used to be that bad, when I got my first Android 6 or so years ago. My wife used to get mad at me for living on my phone, then I got her one and she does the same thing.
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I really think lollipop will put an end to my obsession. It's well polished and nicely laid put. I'm am so ready to see how Touchwiz lollipop will look
Take up motorsports. Far more exhilarating than messing with wallpapers
In some ways in glad I moved on from galaxy nexus I used to Rom almost daily. Sometimes I would even load roms at work. I think if I had a nexus device again it would stay stock except for tether and launcher. I like the speed and layout of stock android. I spend more time using my phone now instead of tweaking useless things. I've even considered going back to dumb phone but really don't want to give up unlimited data as I could never get it back.
gpz1100 said:
Take up motorsports. Far more exhilarating than messing with wallpapers
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I'm just not into that sort of stuff. I'ma tech junkie lol. Never once has anyone ever showed me anything and I've never been to school for it, but I've been able to completely tear down a computer and put it back together since I was like 11. I've brought cell phones and computers completely back from the dead. I don't have much knowledge on building/development but I can sure fix something that's broken. But then again maybe if I wasn't so broke I'd have more hobbies lol. Just about any tech gadgets I have I got as payment for fixing someone else's tech gadgets.
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In some ways in glad I moved on from galaxy nexus I used to Rom almost daily. Sometimes I would even load roms at work. I think if I had a nexus device again it would stay stock except for tether and launcher. I like the speed and layout of stock android. I spend more time using my phone now instead of tweaking useless things. I've even considered going back to dumb phone but really don't want to give up unlimited data as I could never get it back.
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Get a crappy Motorola phone. You'll only want to use it when you have to lol. I had the RAZR M and I hated flashing roms on it. Nothing could take away the fact that, that phone sucked lol
Yes I know believe me I had a Motorola droid x2. It was my first smart phone and never got unlocked. I thought it would be great since it was the first dual core but was I wrong most laggy phone ever.
Hello, the question is easy jaja , do you recomendme buy this new phone or is the same with s7 ? or you recommendme wait galaxy s10?
thanks you
I mean it is a pretty large upgrade from the 7, but if the 7 still does everything you need it to do and you do not need a better camera/bigger screen/faster phone then there is no reason to spend the money now... right? No one can really tell you what is right for you, there are the obvious reasons to upgrade but ultimately only you can decide if it is worth it.
In my book for my usage yes.
Without a doubt yes! I came from the s8+ and it's amazing. The performance increase, the camera, even the speakers sound freaking amazing compared to the s8+. You won't regret it.
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I mean it is a pretty large upgrade from the 7, but if the 7 still does everything you need it to do and you do not need a better camera/bigger screen/faster phone then there is no reason to spend the money now... right? No one can really tell you what is right for you, there are the obvious reasons to upgrade but ultimately only you can decide if it is worth it.
In my book for my usage yes.
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I second this. I came from an S7 and it's a pretty substantial upgrade. But I was also fairing well using the S7 till I switched. If you don't necessarily need an upgrade, it doesn't hurt to wait around to see what the next one will look like. Worst case, the S9 will be on sale then. With all that said, I've been enjoying my S9 since day 1. I haven't experienced any problems with it even the ones that have been commonly reported (knock on wood). Hope this helps!
I came from an S7 Edge, and I think it's a worthwhile upgrade. Not a mandatory one, for sure, but the phone is faster, smoother, the screen is better, and the sound is much better.
But I do wish the fingerprint sensor was still on the front. And this is a big phone, even wider than the S7 edge, so you might want to visit a store and try one out first, to make sure you're comfortable with the added size. I have fairly small hands, and find the extra width makes this just a little bit uncomfortable to hold.
I came from an LG V20 with 5.7" screen and tiny second screen. I'm loving the phone so far. Super fast. Screen is beautiful looking. Once you disable some of the Samsung stuff that you may not need it's a lot better than out of the box.
I got this phone because it runs Android 8 and is Google Daydream (VR headset) compatible.
Right now? wait lol, the phone as the issue with the phone calls and with the crush blacks, the phone is great though i really like it,
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Right now? wait lol, the phone as the issue with the phone calls and with the crush blacks, the phone is great though i really like it,
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i have no issues with phone calls or the blacks. It seems a very small (tiny) number of complaints.
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i have no issues with phone calls or the blacks. It seems a very small (tiny) number of complaints.
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calling a 24 page topic "tiny" its something, lol i had it my phone got refunded and im waiting for a new one
Seems like mostly the same people posting over and over, though.
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Seems like mostly the same people posting over and over, though.
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Same persons posting for 24 pages? I'll be damned
The Pixel, with its Tensor chip and machine learning, can somewhat adapt to the phone user's habits, right? That's why battery life improves, maybe the phone gets hot at first, then doesn't as I've seen people imply here (and was my experience), and so on.
Then you have all the complaints here. The phone sucks, it gets hot, the battery is terrible, etc. And when people do complain about bugs what is usually the first advice they get? Reset it. But in some cases isn't that exactly the wrong thing to do with this phone? With a device that adapts to your usage isn't a wipe the last thing you'd want to do? Or am I giving the whole "machine learning" thing too much credit? I ask because I visit a Telegram thread and a user there was complaining. Someone asked if he had reset the phone and he replied "yes, a few times".
I don't know about overheating and other problems, but w/r/t battery life? I agree. These phones absolutely get better battery life over time, and frequent resets are probably disruptive of that process.
In fact i am quite happy with this phone. If it was not the epic fail with the december update breaking phone connectivity and the way it was handled otherwise i don't have any problems. Camera is top notch especially when shooting in RAW and battery life for me is between 1 and 2 days (depends how much i use it). I think that with few more updates bugs will be fixed and we will have very good phone with regular updates just like the old pixels. The only thing i hope to change are these stupid 5G, volte and vowifi limitations imposed by google for most countries.
You will always get people complaining about any new phone/device.
Some people are more dramatic than others.
Any new device is not a 100% perfect. There will always be bugs on a new device.
Bottom line is if you hate it that much. Sent it back and get a refund.
Or buy a POS crapple and be a sheep.
Wait a second guys. Let's call a spade a spade. The device was not ready to be released until the December update was fixed. Past the 15 day period there is no returning the phone so put that aside, it's a non issue. You can't be saying that connectivity is fine, it's not. Don't even get me started on the FPR. Be real and acknowledge what is broken. Call screening is gone, on hold is gone, there is basically no transfer from wifi to network without a reboot. That is unacceptable and no amount of calling those complaining sheeple is going to change that. I've owned every Google device since they started coming out with hardware and this device is the worst they've ever released. Do I like the phone, yes I do. Would I trade it in, no. But there are serious problems and you must admit it without criticizing those that do. Calling Google out is not being unfaithful it's just being real.
edit: that being said I did bootloader unlock the device and I'm running ProtonAOSP non rooted. FPR is way better but connectivity is still the December radio which is awful. The rom is better that what Google has out now. Just sayin'.
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The Pixel, with its Tensor chip and machine learning, can somewhat adapt to the phone user's habits, right? That's why battery life improves, maybe the phone gets hot at first, then doesn't as I've seen people imply here (and was my experience), and so on.
Then you have all the complaints here. The phone sucks, it gets hot, the battery is terrible, etc. And when people do complain about bugs what is usually the first advice they get? Reset it. But in some cases isn't that exactly the wrong thing to do with this phone? With a device that adapts to your usage isn't a wipe the last thing you'd want to do? Or am I giving the whole "machine learning" thing too much credit? I ask because I visit a Telegram thread and a user there was complaining. Someone asked if he had reset the phone and he replied "yes, a few times".
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It doesn't adapt to anything except to determine what kind of advertising you would be most susceptible to so that gooble can target you most profitably. All this "AI" and "machine learning" crap is just buzz words that really do NOT imply any of the amazing scifi ideas of machines actually thinking. Don't get overly carried away with marketing buzzwords.
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I don't know about overheating and other problems, but w/r/t battery life? I agree. These phones absolutely get better battery life over time, and frequent resets are probably disruptive of that process.
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Increased battery life is tied to calibrating the battery level gauge.
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You mean aside from apple, which is actually a fashion accessory and nobody actually expects it to work well. I see lots of apple people with nothing that works, and they just shrug it off as "that's just what phones are".
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Wait a second guys. Let's call a spade a spade. The device was not ready to be released until the December update was fixed. Past the 15 day period there is no returning the phone so put that aside, it's a non issue. You can't be saying that connectivity is fine, it's not. Don't even get me started on the FPR. Be real and acknowledge what is broken. Call screening is gone, on hold is gone, there is basically no transfer from wifi to network without a reboot. That is unacceptable and no amount of calling those complaining sheeple is going to change that. I've owned every Google device since they started coming out with hardware and this device is the worst they've ever released. Do I like the phone, yes I do. Would I trade it in, no. But there are serious problems and you must admit it without criticizing those that do. Calling Google out is not being unfaithful it's just being real.
edit: that being said I did bootloader unlock the device and I'm running ProtonAOSP non rooted. FPR is way better but connectivity is still the December radio which is awful. The rom is better that what Google has out now. Just sayin'.
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Well said, and very true!
I am SO tired of users saying "well MY device works just fine, YOU must be doing something wrong!". That's exactly the response I see everywhere as soon as someone has any complaint about the P6. The "only" issue I had was the almost total loss of reception after the December update ... I'd like for those users to tell me how I did something wrong there? I wanted to root after the update anyway, so I unlocked, rooted and flashed the mid-November radio.img which brought my reception back up to the 3-4 bars I had before the botched Google update (which had taken it down to 0-1 bar).
Google just letting P6 users sit + wait now, those on locked bootloaders with crappy reception, is what pisses me off most of all. I am long past the 2-week return period so I'm stuck with the device. But I've been letting it sit, half the time on Airplane mode, on my desk for weeks now while my actual daily driver is the OP 5T.
I'm just waiting for "proper" custom roms now to finally get some options ... or until the eBay prices for the P6 go back up so I can sell it without losing too much. The next person that tells me that "Google are the best + fastest with updates for their devices!" will get tarred + feathered by me for sure
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Well said, and very true!
I am SO tired of users saying "well MY device works just fine, YOU must be doing something wrong!". That's exactly the response I see everywhere as soon as someone has any complaint about the P6. The "only" issue I had was the almost total loss of reception after the December update ... I'd like for those users to tell me how I did something wrong there? I wanted to root after the update anyway, so I unlocked, rooted and flashed the mid-November radio.img which brought my reception back up to the 3-4 bars I had before the botched Google update (which had taken it down to 0-1 bar).
Google just letting P6 users sit + wait now, those on locked bootloaders with crappy reception, is what pisses me off most of all. I am long past the 2-week return period so I'm stuck with the device. But I've been letting it sit, half the time on Airplane mode, on my desk for weeks now while my actual daily driver is the OP 5T.
I'm just waiting for "proper" custom roms now to finally get some options ... or until the eBay prices for the P6 go back up so I can sell it without losing too much. The next person that tells me that "Google are the best + fastest with updates for their devices!" will get tarred + feathered by me for sure
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While you're waiting try ProtonAOSP rom then reflash the November radio. That's what I did and it's running rather swimmingly. Still some issues but definitely worth a shot especially if it's just sitting on the desk.
bobby janow said:
Wait a second guys. Let's call a spade a spade. The device was not ready to be released until the December update was fixed. Past the 15 day period there is no returning the phone so put that aside, it's a non issue. You can't be saying that connectivity is fine, it's not.
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I disagree. I don't deny that some people may have connectivity issues, but I can say that I do not. I find connectivity to be excellent. However, my carrier has only up to LTE, no 5G as of yet. This could be why, either flaws in 5G connectivity, or new and patchy 5G networks. Maybe try limiting it to LTE and see how that works out?
bobby janow said:
Don't even get me started on the FPR.
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Fingerprints are not good for security, especially when it comes to anti-self-incrimination laws, since it is not knowledge based. Consequently, I'd have to categorize finger print unlock to be more of a gimmick than a real feature.
bobby janow said:
Call screening is gone, on hold is gone,
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Hold works perfectly. Isn't call screening a feature of the google dialer?
bobby janow said:
there is basically no transfer from wifi to network without a reboot.
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You must be mistaken about that. I transfer from wifi to carrier all the time -- MANY times per day, never had to reboot.
96carboard said:
I disagree. I don't deny that some people may have connectivity issues, but I can say that I do not. I find connectivity to be excellent. However, my carrier has only up to LTE, no 5G as of yet. This could be why, either flaws in 5G connectivity, or new and patchy 5G networks. Maybe try limiting it to LTE and see how that works out?
Fingerprints are not good for security, especially when it comes to anti-self-incrimination laws, since it is not knowledge based. Consequently, I'd have to categorize finger print unlock to be more of a gimmick than a real feature.
Hold works perfectly. Isn't call screening a feature of the google dialer?
You must be mistaken about that. I transfer from wifi to carrier all the time -- MANY times per day, never had to reboot.
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But you can't deny that many many many people are having serious problems. The fact that you're not is good for you. That's about it. Call on hold is gone. Perhaps you didn't know what I meant..
96carboard said:
I disagree. I don't deny that some people may have connectivity issues, but I can say that I do not. I find connectivity to be excellent. However, my carrier has only up to LTE, no 5G as of yet. This could be why, either flaws in 5G connectivity, or new and patchy 5G networks. Maybe try limiting it to LTE and see how that works out?
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I disabled 5G on day one since my carrier doesn't have 5G coverage in my area yet, and STILL the connectivity issues are there. Google stopped the OTA, admitted there are problems and then even deleted the files from their update server so YES, there is a huge connectivity problem on the P6(P). Just because YOU don't have those problems doesn't mean they don't exist
bobby janow said:
While you're waiting try ProtonAOSP rom then reflash the November radio. That's what I did and it's running rather swimmingly. Still some issues but definitely worth a shot especially if it's just sitting on the desk.
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Nah, those "custom" roms that are out yet don't have any customization (yet?), so I'll pass. I am helping test the Renovate Ice module though, which is slowly adding tweaks/features again. RiCE was the reason I was able to stay stock on my OP7 for 2 years, so fingers crossed it will help with this P6 too.
Nimueh said:
I disabled 5G on day one since my carrier doesn't have 5G coverage in my area yet, and STILL the connectivity issues are there. Google stopped the OTA, admitted there are problems and then even deleted the files from their update server so YES, there is a huge connectivity problem on the P6(P). Just because YOU don't have those problems doesn't mean they don't exist
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I suspect that you see a low reading in the signal meter and THINK that it means you have connectivity problems. Yes, it reads really low, but holds signals and works well despite that.
bobby janow said:
Call on hold is gone. Perhaps you didn't know what I meant..
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Perhaps you aren't explaining what you mean properly, because hold works perfectly.
96carboard said:
Perhaps you aren't explaining what you mean properly, because hold works perfectly.
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The hold for me while I'm waiting to speak with a representative. It will then alert you when someone picked up. That stopped working for me.. But really small potatoes compared to the other issues.
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I suspect that you see a low reading in the signal meter and THINK that it means you have connectivity problems. Yes, it reads really low, but holds signals and works well despite that.
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No, I didn't "think" it was bad - if calls don't go through or disconnect mid-call then that's not an issue with the display of the signal strength, but one with the SIGNAL itself. None of that happened any more after flashing the mid-November radio.img.
Why do you think Google stopped pushing the OTA and removed the files from their servers? Certainly not because they were bored, but because they KNEW there were issues.
So please stop assuming that 1000s of users are simply too stupid to handle a phone or only think they have an issue. YOU got lucky, great - but please don't treat those of us that have reception or fp or whatever issues like we don't know what we're doing!
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All this "AI" and "machine learning" crap is just buzz words that really do NOT imply any of the amazing scifi ideas of machines actually thinking. Don't get overly carried away with marketing buzzwords.
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That reply sure was a buzz kill. I was sure by this time next year the phone would be cutting my grass and doing the laundry.
vandyman said:
You will always get people complaining about any new phone/device.
Some people are more dramatic than others.
Any new device is not a 100% perfect. There will always be bugs on a new device.
Bottom line is if you hate it that much. Sent it back and get a refund.
Or buy a POS crapple and be a sheep.
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C'mon man, yes there's always people who complain at first or some growing pains.. But this phone has serious issues. I feel like people who are making light of these problems with the p6 are just trying to justify their purchase
opz187 said:
C'mon man, yes there's always people who complain at first or some growing pains.. But this phone has serious issues. I feel like people who are making light of these problems with the p6 are just trying to justify their purchase
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The only people that are having any issues are the people that keep their phone stock. And most of them do not even know that they have a bad device.
Most people that come to the XDA forums are modders of some sort.
I honestly do not have any issues after making changes to the P6 to suit me.
I understand some people are having issues and most are self inflected.