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change the samsung equaliser to these settings for real good bass! Really makes a difference!! Also the adapt sound 60+ boosts all frequencies and makes everything way more louder, complete difference on ear buds 2 pro, and obs change ear buds themselves to bass, didn't realise how much samsung built in equaliser can make such a change
Try to test your hearing.... It makes change also...
I'm on dynamic eq and it's the best of both worlds.
Dear lord that is an aggressive v-Curve (plus bass boost?!) for earbuds. I love bass but I'm imaging that sounding like the two 1200w RMS subwoofers which I enjoy in my car but not so much in headphones.
Are you a bass head or the the Bud2 Pros that lacking in bass?
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Dear lord that is an aggressive v-Curve (plus bass boost?!) for earbuds. I love bass but I'm imaging that sounding like the two 1200w RMS subwoofers which I enjoy in my car but not so much in headphones.
Are you a bass head or the the Bud2 Pros that lacking in bass?
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In my experience using the regular buds2 not pro, they really lack bass, especially with active noise cancelling turned off
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In my experience using the regular buds2 not pro, they really lack bass, especially with active noise cancelling turned off
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I'd suggest investing in Comply foam tips for this tws and changing the eq to dynamic. This is what worked for me both in the noise cancellation and sound departments.
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I'd suggest investing in Comply foam tips for this tws and changing the eq to dynamic. This is what worked for me both in the noise cancellation and sound departments.
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I'll give that a test
SyCoREAPER said:
Dear lord that is an aggressive v-Curve (plus bass boost?!) for earbuds. I love bass but I'm imaging that sounding like the two 1200w RMS subwoofers which I enjoy in my car but not so much in headphones.
Are you a bass head or the the Bud2 Pros that lacking in bass?
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I no lol but the buds do lack bass! That curve really does give best bass boost, we'll for me anyways but then when a song comes on that doesn't have much bass it's pretty poor lol, I canny win
I guess this comes to personal preference, but buds2 pro really don't lack bass IMO.
The bass is balanced and spatial, really sounds like you are in a room with a great woofer active.
I use dynamic preset and it's really good both in terms of bass and other frequencies.
Well it depends a lot on what to listen. On some music there's no perceivable difference, but on other there's very obvious difference if noise canceling or ambient mode is on vs neither one is on - with some music one can notice that enabling noise canceling or ambient mode brings out some of most lower frequencies that are much more subdued when neither of modes is enabled.
It was even more pronounced on first generation Buds Pro, but it is still there with Buds 2 Pro.
It is reasonable to assume that some of music even does not have these frequencies present to be able to notice that.
Wow lots of responses in the meantime.
So I just got the regular Buds2's an hour ago and am on Normal Preset. Unless they are drastically different from the 2Pro's, I think your ears might be broken (joking).
The bass is a massive step up from the Buds+ and even more so than what I'm used to. My primary cans are neutral AF, so maybe just to me there's a lot of bass.
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Wow lots of responses in the meantime.
So I just got the regular Buds2's on Normal Preset. Unless they are drastically different from the 2Pro's, I think your ears might be broken (joking).
The bass is a massive step up from the Buds+ and even more so than what I'm used to. My primary cans are neutral AF, so maybe just to me there's a lot of bass.
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That V curve is way too aggressive, I think.
This is the equalizer curve I use with Poweramp for my Buds+, plenty of bass like this. Some of the curves I use are less aggressive depending on the music.
The last Buds+ firmware update screwed up the sound bad and trashed that pair (I have several pairs). Do Not update their firmware if you have Buds+. The factory loaded version works fine.
Rolling back a firmware update is a real pain with these...
According to sound guys, what we are hearing should be similar, just offset but a bit but bass is stronger on the 2 Pros. Anyway, I know we can't really compare the 2's to 2 Pros but my experience in some initial testing:
Bass - Further Testing, the bass on Normal to me is impressive for earbuds, there is at least decent perceived bass extension (using my old favorite from 15 years ago (Bass 305) to test pure bass.
EDM-Style - Pendulum sounds perfect on Normal to me also (a bit heavy maybe but again, not used to rumbly bass on headphones)
Rock/Orchestral :
VonLichten We will Rock You - Tiny Bit off
Trans-Siberian Orchestra Wizards of Winter - Interesting one, parts sound incredible, others wrong.
Old School Rock:
Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter - A little flat.
Kansas - Wayward Son, also a bit flat.
Rap: Not something I listen to but (yes laugh, I'm old AF)
Coolio – Gangsta's Paradise sounds right.
Pop/Rock:
Phil Collins sounds off, very off.
Michael Jackson sounds right but maybe just a tiny bit lacking in bass.
Kenny Loggins is off, very harsh.
Harold Faltermyer is a bit off but has a fun sound.
(Using FLACs)
Others (NOT FLAC, not sure how objective I can be, compressed music sounds different)
MMPR - harsh but correct
Ducktales - actually sounds ok
Berlin Orchestra/Scorpions - Hurricane 2000, not bad
MASH (TV) - poop
@blackhawk
I wasn't looking for this but rather stumbled across it during a Google search. Is this what you were talking about in regards to the update to the Plus'?
Your Post Here?
SyCoREAPER said:
According to sound guys, what we are hearing should be similar, just offset but a bit but bass is stronger on the 2 Pros. Anyway, I know we can't really compare the 2's to 2 Pros but my experience in some initial testing:
Bass - Further Testing, the bass on Normal to me is impressive for earbuds, there is at least decent perceived bass extension (using my old favorite from 15 years ago (Bass 305) to test pure bass.
EDM-Style - Pendulum sounds perfect on Normal to me also (a bit heavy maybe but again, not used to rumbly bass on headphones)
Rock/Orchestral :
VonLichten We will Rock You - Tiny Bit off
Trans-Siberian Orchestra Wizards of Winter - Interesting one, parts sound incredible, others wrong.
Old School Rock:
Rolling Stones Gimme Shelter - A little flat.
Kansas - Wayward Son, also a bit flat.
Rap: Not something I listen to but (yes laugh, I'm old AF)
Coolio – Gangsta's Paradise sounds right.
Pop/Rock:
Phil Collins sounds off, very off.
Michael Jackson sounds right but maybe just a tiny bit lacking in bass.
Kenny Loggins is off, very harsh.
Harold Faltermyer is a bit off but has a fun sound.
(Using FLACs)
Others (NOT FLAC, not sure how objective I can be, compressed music sounds different)
MMPR - harsh but correct
Ducktales - actually sounds ok
Berlin Orchestra/Scorpions - Hurricane 2000, not bad
MASH (TV) - poop
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One little thing to notice for everybody - for being able to adequately compare the experience we should note if Atmos is on or off while testing, because it can change some music quite noticeably (and not for better sometimes).
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@blackhawk
I wasn't looking for this but rather stumbled across it during a Google search. Is this what you were talking about in regards to the update to the Plus'?
Your Post Here?
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No that's the Wearables app update* bs. This is much worse as it's firmware flash for the Buds+ hardware, post 41.
I still need to deal with the pair that the firmware flash screwed up. See if Samsung put out a fix for it. Just it. My other pairs will never be flash upgraded... grrrrr.
* this is what the older Buds Wearable version looks like. Much more usable...
I have it off. Buds+ it sometimes sounded better, so far everything sounds awful with the 2's with Atmos
Edit: ^opinion
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I have it off. Buds+ it sometimes sounded better, so far everything sounds awful with the 2's with Atmos
Edit: ^opinion
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Try dialing it in with Poweramp if you use that.
It's still the best stand alone music player but it won't play vids (will be play the audio). It's complicated to first set up, but works like a charm once configured.
Group folder/album folders/songs
Settings and playlists can be completely backed up... tested, fully recreatable in a minute or two.
blackhawk said:
Try dialing it in with Poweramp if you use that.
It's still the best stand alone music player but it won't play vids (will be play the audio). It's complicated to first set up, but works like a charm once configured.
Group folder/album folders/songs
Settings and playlists can be completely backed up... tested, fully recreatable in a minute or two.
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Poweramp... Not going to get into the detail on my history there but noticed a few months back that a standalone EQ was finally created. Well, it doesn't work correctly. Most apps that I use won't EQ.
I (occasionally) use Wavelet which has a 'Legacy Mode' that works with every app.
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Poweramp... Not going to get into the detail on my history there but noticed a few months back that a standalone EQ was finally created. Well, it doesn't work correctly. Most apps that I use won't EQ.
I (occasionally) use Wavelet which has a 'Legacy Mode' that works with every app.
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Yeap. Not really a big issue with the Buds+ for me. They sound good with movies, etc. For music though I default to Poweramp as a player.
Android has always been a pain in this respect.
Because of all this and the lack of wings to stabilize the Buds2 I decided to stay with the Buds+. I also like noise isolation better than losing that for noise cancelation. The battery runtime longevity is another issue with the Buds2.
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Beats is a great brand in my opinion, and its pretty cool for them to be involved with such a great company as HTC. So how does beats work
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Beats is a great brand in my opinion, and its pretty cool for them to be involved with such a great company as HTC. So how does beats work
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Are you completely sure it does work m8 ????
By beats a presume you mean Dreys Beats?? ....... *sigh*
No offence but they sell overpriced junk to clueless kids who want another 'cool' accessory to match their iphone
If you want good sound quality headphones go to a proper HiFi shop and try some Sennheisers and some other brands ......... you'll probably notice that most of the Sennheisers sound great compared to other manufacturers offerings at the same or often much higher price.
Job done
Please don't get sucked in by the 'Big rap name brand BS' all they sell is overpriced junk. There are proper companies who develop and sell REAL HiFi headphones, Sennheiser, BeyerDynamic, Sony, etc.
Give them your cash and get genuinely awesome sound quality rather than something that just happens to come in pink camo.
Oh yeah almost forgot if Beats on HTC does anything at all it will be nothing but a slight EQ profile change, to accentuate the characteristics of the phones.
Probably just a big dumb low freq boost so you can 'Feel da bass'. Problem is as anyone whos HiFi knowledgable will tell you an EQ really needs setting for each piece of music or at least each style ......... once you understand that you start to realize how useless such gimmicks are and learn to not trust companies behind such junk.
Dunno what HTC are getting in bed with this, maybe their marketing people think they need kid street cred.
The Beats thing is not what you would want in Headphones. I will always want to listen to my music without adjusting the EQ. Personally never liked the over done BASS on the headphones myself, could always find something cheaper that did a better job.
I would always want to listen to music on a iPod so i don't drain the battery of my phone.
Guru Zeb said:
Are you completely sure it does work m8 ????
By beats a presume you mean Dreys Beats?? ....... *sigh*
No offence but they sell overpriced junk to clueless kids who want another 'cool' accessory to match their iphone
If you want good sound quality headphones go to a proper HiFi shop and try some Sennheisers and some other brands ......... you'll probably notice that most of the Sennheisers sound great compared to other manufacturers offerings at the same or often much higher price.
Job done
Please don't get sucked in by the 'Big rap name brand BS' all they sell is overpriced junk. There are proper companies who develop and sell REAL HiFi headphones, Sennheiser, BeyerDynamic, Sony, etc.
Give them your cash and get genuinely awesome sound quality rather than something that just happens to come in pink camo.
Oh yeah almost forgot if Beats on HTC does anything at all it will be nothing but a slight EQ profile change, to accentuate the characteristics of the phones.
Probably just a big dumb low freq boost so you can 'Feel da base'. Problem is as anyone whos HiFi knowledgable will tell you an EQ really needs setting for each piece of music or at least each style ......... once you understand that you start to realize how useless such gimmicks are and learn to not trust companies behind such junk.
Dunno what HTC are getting in bed with this, maybe their marketing people think they need kid street cred.
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Nice reply thanks, I was actually was thinking of buying a pair of beats but man have you convinced me lol. I've always thought that people like beats because its has so much marketing, then when a person uses them its like mental if you know what I mean
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eggydrums said:
Nice reply thanks, I was actually was thinking of buying a pair of beats but man have you convinced me lol. I've always thought that people like beats because its has so much marketing, then when a person uses them its like mental if you know what I mean
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Dood DO NOT Just take my word for it .... go to a decent HiFi shop with your phone or MP3 player ( i don't use my phone for mobile music never have ).
Use your own player with your own music and just listen to some different phones and see what you think. Do the same thing with some 'Cool boutique' phones and you'll see what a mean.
I can predict that Sennheisers will most likely be the best 'bang for buck' in full size cans anyways. Their in ears are good too but i don't use in ears myself as am one of those people whos ears get sore in 20mins using in ears.
Oh yeah forgot to say the best sound quality improvement on headphones for less than $20 is a of these
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FiiO E5, headphone amp it sits between your player and your phones and acts as a dedicated power Amp. Its about 45x45x8mm with an LED lit on/off button, a volume rocker, and an EQ button flat (FTW), or Bass boost (meh).
They are stupid cheap (thanks to our Chinese brothers )
Usb rechargeable, run for about 10 hours on one charge, improve the sound stage and the mid tones amazingly well.
Also they help reduce battery drain in your phone/MP3 player as you can turn the Amp upto 80%-90% and leave it there and run your player on much lower volume like 20%-40% this can make a huge difference to battery life if (Like me) you pretty much listen to mobile music constantly when your outta the house. Get them for peanuts on ebay they really are awesome. FiiO also make a bunch of others models waaay more sophisticated than the E5 i have, but it only cost me $15. Best mobile music accessory i have ever bought, and i've been a mobile audiophile since the 80's!!!!
I agree... Beatz by Dre are CRAP.... 20 Hertz are the lowest they go..
And for 300$ that whack bass lol
I bought pro American Audio DJ headphones that go all the way down to 5Hz for 100$ and the bass is ridiculous!!!
I'm a bass quality type of guy and if you hate bass like treble and are fine with OK audio... then these are for you....
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I was looking at some senheiesers for 100$ on musicians friend looked pretty good through they have a large selection
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What Guru Zeb said. It's all a load of gimmicky rubbish designed to part you from your cash.
If you want good audio fidelity it would be wise to invest in Headphones from a company that has been making them for over fifty years. You wouldn't buy a car made by Zanussi after all, although you might have a washing machine from them!
Stick to the known manufacturers like Sennheiser and you can't go wrong.
Beats is garbage. Htc use it to make their phones desirable to ignorant teens. That is all.
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Beats is garbage. Htc use it to make their phones desirable to ignorant teens. That is all.
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jayRokk said:
I agree... Beatz by Dre are CRAP.... 20 Hertz are the lowest they go..
And for 300$ that whack bass lol
I bought pro American Audio DJ headphones that go all the way down to 5Hz for 100$ and the bass is ridiculous!!!
I'm a bass quality type of guy and if you hate bass like treble and are fine with OK audio... then these are for you....
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Curious as to why you need bass down to such a low level, since that's pretty much just moving air at that kind of frequency... I don't really think you would hear any difference tbh, unless I'm missing something
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Curious as to why you need bass down to such a low level, since that's pretty much just moving air at that kind of frequency... I don't really think you would hear any difference tbh, unless I'm missing something
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In large speakers yes its just moving air... but have you felt 5Hz in headphones?? Not only does the bass sound richer and deeper but idk the rest of you but I like the feeling of the bass as well and with 5hz you CAN feel it lol
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Beats is garbage. Htc use it to make their phones desirable to ignorant teens. That is all.
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Excellent choice of Avatar image there m8
Check out Bhajis Loops
http://chocopoolp.com/
Its oooooold but utterly amazing still nothing that really comes near it for a mobile DAW ........ then maybe buy and old PALM to run it on ..... I did
You are right, humans cannot hear 5hz, but that is not the reason for wanting to have cans that can reproduce such low frequencies.
The real reason you want cans or speakers in general for that matter to be able to reproduce frequencies way out of our hearing range is to allow for the rollofs at the limitations of a driver. Every speaker has a limited range of frequencies that it can reproduce, usually some range between 20hz and 20,000hz, but there is a difference between what is "reproduceable" by a driver and what is "useful" in that range of frequencies. As you reach the upper and lower ends of that range you are actually reaching the physical limitations of the mechanical features of the speaker which means that there are variances in the frequency response that reault in what is called a "rolloff" or drop in the output of the speaker at specific frequencies. For example if you have a set of cans that respond fron 20 to 20k as previously described, when tested with measuring equipment you will find that when you reach up around 15k or 16k you will stat to get a drop off in response resulting in decreased volume from those frequencies due to losses within the mechanical reproduction of the audio, say for example a drop of 3db/octave beyond 15khz. While the speakers may still do something, "respond", when you supply them with a 20khz tone, the tone may be very much quieter than a useful volume for music reproduction purposes.
If the response range of the speakers advances a ways past the range of frequencies audible to humans you will find that the response within those audible frequencies will be stro.g at the far low and far high extremes of the range because the driver is not working at the edges of its mechanical limitations. Less energy is wasted as heat because the driver operates more efficiently within the useful range that it is intended for. So while you may not be ae to hear that extra 15 thousand hertz your speakers can produce above 20khz, its purpose is not to be audible, its purpose is to improve the linearity of the response of the audible frequency range.
Now, back to the topic, since im a sound engineer by profession and obviously audio actually matters as a feature to me, what does "with beats audio" actually entail in practice and can it be turned the **** off? I have a funny feeling i might buy the htc one x and i want to be sure that this "beays audio" nonsense isnt gonna actually ruin the audio playback for me as its basically mission critical. As long as it can be completely disabled so it has no effect on playback i will be satisfied.
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Now, back to the topic, since im a sound engineer by profession and obviously audio actually matters as a feature to me, what does "with beats audio" actually entail in practice and can it be turned the **** off? I have a funny feeling i might buy the htc one x and i want to be sure that this "beays audio" nonsense isnt gonna actually ruin the audio playback for me as its basically mission critical. As long as it can be completely disabled so it has no effect on playback i will be satisfied.
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NEEDZ MOAR BASSSSS!!!
To answer your question, it's nothing more than a branded EQ and I'd imagine it's just an apk that can be uninstalled or frozen with titanium backup or equivalent app....
The fact that it's nothing more than a gimmick which allows them to slap a sticker on the box and lure in teenagers who enjoying playing Rihanna songs at full volume on their phone in public, makes me think that it will not be so deeply integrated that it's difficult to remove.
Thats exactly what i was hoping.
I discovered after a little reading that the reason htc have gotten involved in the beats audio gimmick is that beats electronics inc. invested $300million in htc. Kinda hard not to slap the logo on for that much money in what is arguably hard times for htc.
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Thats exactly what i was hoping.
I discovered after a little reading that the reason htc have gotten involved in the beats audio gimmick is that beats electronics inc. invested $300million in htc. Kinda hard not to slap the logo on for that much money in what is arguably hard times for htc.
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Interesting....
Gotta pay the bills I guess...
Beats audio..
Beats audio.
what i think ( and tested ) not the headphones.
But beats audio on your phone has very little to do with the hardware. and no special hardware inside the phone is required.
(ie flashing sense 4 rom with beats support wil work on a desire HD)
Now let me be bold to say that the software "beats audio' is nothing more than a "soft" DSP.
Copanies like SonicFocus / DTS / and Dolby have ben in this for ages and doing asuperb job at it.
Call it EQ, call it an algorithm.
Beats is in fact an algorithm that boost the dynamics, dep bass, brilliance, and solo clarity of the sound.
Creative > crystaliser
SoundMax > Sonic Focus
And i do have to say that with the "beats audio" enabled it does sound bigger and more clear.
But is it still safe to say that with compression of mp3s or even streamed music the quality of the sound could get just a little dull.
( at least that is what I notice )
Not thats where the DSP comes in, may it be beats, sonic focus, or whatever. I think on a mobile device playing mp3/streamed audio it does enhance the sound.
conclusion.
its a soft DSP, with its own fancy name and logo. A DSP that should be in that device anyway.
A nice marketing gimmick.
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You are right, humans cannot hear 5hz, but that is not the reason for wanting to have cans that can reproduce such low frequencies.
The real reason you want cans or speakers in general for that matter to be able to reproduce frequencies way out of our hearing range is to allow for the rollofs at the limitations of a driver. Every speaker has a limited range of frequencies that it can reproduce, usually some range between 20hz and 20,000hz, but there is a difference between what is "reproduceable" by a driver and what is "useful" in that range of frequencies. As you reach the upper and lower ends of that range you are actually reaching the physical limitations of the mechanical features of the speaker which means that there are variances in the frequency response that reault in what is called a "rolloff" or drop in the output of the speaker at specific frequencies. For example if you have a set of cans that respond fron 20 to 20k as previously described, when tested with measuring equipment you will find that when you reach up around 15k or 16k you will stat to get a drop off in response resulting in decreased volume from those frequencies due to losses within the mechanical reproduction of the audio, say for example a drop of 3db/octave beyond 15khz. While the speakers may still do something, "respond", when you supply them with a 20khz tone, the tone may be very much quieter than a useful volume for music reproduction purposes.
If the response range of the speakers advances a ways past the range of frequencies audible to humans you will find that the response within those audible frequencies will be stro.g at the far low and far high extremes of the range because the driver is not working at the edges of its mechanical limitations. Less energy is wasted as heat because the driver operates more efficiently within the useful range that it is intended for. So while you may not be ae to hear that extra 15 thousand hertz your speakers can produce above 20khz, its purpose is not to be audible, its purpose is to improve the linearity of the response of the audible frequency range.
Now, back to the topic, since im a sound engineer by profession and obviously audio actually matters as a feature to me, what does "with beats audio" actually entail in practice and can it be turned the **** off? I have a funny feeling i might buy the htc one x and i want to be sure that this "beays audio" nonsense isnt gonna actually ruin the audio playback for me as its basically mission critical. As long as it can be completely disabled so it has no effect on playback i will be satisfied.
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This is exactly right.
The numbers relating to audio that are posted on headphone and speaker boxes are a mess, they all proudly proclaim 20-20k, but realistically they're defining an edge on a smooth curve. The point you made about linear amplification bears to be repeated: the phone is going to contain the driving amp, and the ideal amp would produce a square wave at your nominal impedance, where the amplifier will simply not push any frequency below the lower bound, then push exactly X dB at each frequency for the entire supported frequency range, sharply dropping off again to never push any signal above the upper frequency bound.
The actual bounding values that the amplifier covers are irrelevant because the physical limitations on what frequencies silicon can push are far outside of your audible hearing range (no you cant hear 20Hz, I know your science 8 teacher told you you could but he lied, you have superb hearing if you can hear 30Hz, furthermore none of my music produces sounds above 16KHz).
And that's only speaking to frequency response, which, while arguably the most important characteristic of an amplifier, is certainly not the only one.
Somebody before this post suggested getting a Fiio E5 headphone amp, I've used one of those and they really do help if your trying to drive 100 Ohm+ headphones, which almost no ear buds are. If your wandering around with Senny 600s or AT 900s you might need such an amp, but for the most part the amp built in to the phone should suffice.
I hope the thing that a "beats [certified amp]" means is that for some given load (read: headphones to drive) the amp must produce a reasonably constant dB / frequency curve. But looking at beatsbydre.com/beatsaudio/Beats%20Audio,default,sc.html, it really does just look like yo dawg, this stuffs dope, we promise.
as per Enonoid, I'm wondering if its just software and/or a DSP. I haven't used any beats audio stuff before so I cant speak to it, but the "Crystalizer" feature on modern X-Fi stuff is actually kind've nifty. Its claim is that intrinsically its very difficult to encode percussion, and so when decoding you should have filters that smartly look for percussion and attempt to create the true audio-spikes they entail, rather than the wash they frequently get encoded as. Its a novel concept, and I'd even be willing to argue it adds something to the sound, and if beats is just something similar, I guess I'm on board, as long as it isn't simply slanting an EQ to boost everything below 500Hz.
Not a gripe...
No change to the sound quality after ICS. Figures ehh.. bad compression in sound still present.. I'm still having to use lgcamera for video. I love that app but I wish the dev would fix the screen cropping, aspect ratio and improper scaling. What apps do you use for video recording?
they fixed the clicks and pops though. That was the huge problem we all complained to htc about and it seems they fixed it... so that's good lol
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Yeah, the beeping noise is gone. But I still woukdnt recommend using it in loud environments such as around loud music or crowds. It gives it a robotic swishy effect. Rather annoying and makes some sounds difficult to interpret.
They just figure that suckers for "Beats Audio" don't know what sound quality is.
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They just figure that suckers for "Beats Audio" don't know what sound quality is.
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Some people like the bass heavy , weak midtones and boosted highs , I personally dont. If you are a rap junkie...then yah..shoot. Its ok..but I have a wide music listening taste. Also being an audiophile has that weird effect...
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Yeah, the beeping noise is gone. But I still woukdnt recommend using it in loud environments such as around loud music or crowds. It gives it a robotic swishy effect. Rather annoying and makes some sounds difficult to interpret.
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yep, almost positive thats the noice cancellation messing everything up, but joe never figured out how to truly disable it
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Some people like the bass heavy , weak midtones and boosted highs , I personally dont. If you are a rap junkie...then yah..shoot. Its ok..but I have a wide music listening taste. Also being an audiophile has that weird effect...
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The frequency curve on Beats is even weirder than most bass-heavy headphones though, at least on the un-EQ'ed headphones. On the standard Beats earbuds (not sure about the iBeats...never seen any tests on them), the low bass is actually suppressed, and the mid-high bass is boosted way up. The mids are actually suppressed (most bass-heavy sets just flatten them), and the highs peak in a weird place instead of just tapering like most bass-heavy sets. I don't mind a bit of bass-heaviness in headphones...you aren't getting the floor-shaking, chest-vibrating feedback of large speakers, so heavier bass helps bring the lows out of the mix, but the weirdness in the low bass and the suppressed mids explains why Beats just sounds like mud to me.
jayochs said:
yep, almost positive thats the noice cancellation messing everything up, but joe never figured out how to truly disable it
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Yes..that was my first thought early in the year because this seems to be mostly audible when louder low to mid bass frequncies are prominent. But it also resembles bad audio compression or a codec problem. Noise cancellation needs the second mic to wirk, so if this is the case .....then why is it still heard during a stereo recording? The second mic signal is being routed to the input mixer/gain amp then to the audio codec...instead of the noise cancelation system. Idk if thats hardware built in or software.
@Shrike , yes the ibeats earbuds do suck. Very muddy sound. I do like their fit tho..
I was really hoping to get at least normal headphones output from poco x3, its a poco device, no? I've used poco f1 for 2 years now, sound output from 3.5mm jack was nice and loud (at least), im using it with blon-03 and sound is, man, i cant listen to it more than a few minutes (ear fatigue is horrible). Can't believe that anyone didn't noticed this BIG issue.. cmon i havent heard such a bad sound EVER. Tried to use xiaomi's headphone presets, equalizer, sound calibration.. not even close .. after a few days (after update) tried it once more, aaand flashback, sound is simply said non usable. NO BASS, MIDS PAINFULLY SHARP, EAR PIERCING HIGHS.
im deeply disappointed, if this ENORMOUS issue is due low quality 3.5mm jack... not just software (writing this with fisical PAIN in my ears)
Nah its not that bad need some Viper to boost it and schould be fine ofc depends on what headphones you use maybe u need some external amp and dac idk
berni502 said:
Nah its not that bad need some Viper to boost it and schould be fine ofc depends on what headphones you use maybe u need some external amp and dac idk
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as i said.. on poco f1 i didn't expected hi quality dac, and i was satisfied with sound quality and loudness, i use blon 03 earbuds (iem) and there's no bass.. and overall quality is not good... ill try some apps, maybe it will help
Might be a dumb suggestion, but make sure you're actually plugging in the jack all the way in. I've heard complaints before on other phones, and the reason was because the last 0.5mm was not pushed in. Often times cases can block the full engagement of the jack depending on the design.
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Might be a dumb suggestion, but make sure you're actually plugging in the jack all the way in. I've heard complaints before on other phones, and the reason was because the last 0.5mm was not pushed in. Often times cases can block the full engagement of the jack depending on the design.
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tried it immediately when i heard the deference between poco f1 and this one (poco x3)..tried to install some app (beats).. nothing.Dont get me wrong, I'm not picky, just sound quality isnt there..quality is LOW, tried another pair (also iem quality) of earbuds and they sound BAD.
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tried it immediately when i heard the deference between poco f1 and this one (poco x3)..tried to install some app (beats).. nothing.Dont get me wrong, I'm not picky, just sound quality isnt there..quality is LOW, tried another pair (also iem quality) of earbuds and they sound BAD.
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try other headphones on my KZ ZS10 its not the best but decent do the sound volume setup and try mi headphones preset works for me plus eq on your taste
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try other headphones on my KZ ZS10 its not the best but decent do the sound volume setup and try mi headphones preset works for me plus eq on your taste
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tried it all... all presets, al EQ,.. i dont know., must wait update..
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tried it all... all presets, al EQ,.. i dont know., must wait update..
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Didn't Xiaomi specify that the POCO X3 was HI-Res Audio certified?
I'm having doubts as to whether I should buy this phone. I want that sweet 24-bit/192kHz audio!
I'm still waiting for my phone to arrive, but this would be one of the first things I check. That said, there is a small possibility that your jack may be defective, or something else going on in the background. I've had my fair share of cheap crappy mp3 players in the past and the worst sounding DAC I've ever experienced was still passable to 99% of the general public.
This review of the Poco X3 tested the frequency response from the DAC and it looks perfectly fine.
https://www.laurentwillen.be/en/test-reviews/poco-x3-test-review-camera-photo/
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I'm still waiting for my phone to arrive, but this would be one of the first things I check. That said, there is a small possibility that your jack may be defective, or something else going on in the background. I've had my fair share of cheap crappy mp3 players in the past and the worst sounding DAC I've ever experienced was still passable to 99% of the general public.
This review of the Poco X3 tested the frequency response from the DAC and it looks perfectly fine.
https://www.laurentwillen.be/en/test-reviews/poco-x3-test-review-camera-photo/
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it doesn't sound as defective, just bad.. in a comparison to poco f1's...
Can anyone try to measure with RMAA with proper sound card?
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Can anyone try to measure with RMAA with proper sound card?
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I dont know what this person tested with, but these are the usual graphs/information people are looking for.
https://www.laurentwillen.be/en/test-reviews/poco-x3-test-review-camera-photo/#local-15
black_dott said:
it doesn't sound as defective, just bad.. in a comparison to poco f1's...
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What you described in the opening post certainly sounds as defective. The typical deviation in phone DAC quality is usually very subtle and only noticed by a very small subset of people with high end headphones. There is definitely something wrong if you are getting "NO BASS" and ear piercing highs.
Is anyone else experiencing the same?
That sounds like a defective unit, either that or you're VERY picky.
I don't know with other people but for me the sound quality is good with punchy bass, mid is quite good I can hear it clearly and high is good and details. Overall I'm really satisfied with the sound quality :good:
Can someone confirm the audio output quality via the jack by comparing with other devices.
Would really help me to make my buying decision ;/
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I dont know what this person tested with, but these are the usual graphs/information people are looking for.
https://www.laurentwillen.be/en/test-reviews/poco-x3-test-review-camera-photo/#local-15
What you described in the opening post certainly sounds as defective. The typical deviation in phone DAC quality is usually very subtle and only noticed by a very small subset of people with high end headphones. There is definitely something wrong if you are getting "NO BASS" and ear piercing highs.
Is anyone else experiencing the same?
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one thing happend... i was reading your reply, and i had to try it again, blow the 3.5mm just to idk, do something... played music again, and i was like WHAT,? theres bass... i can't believe it.. sound for some reason got better.. i cant understand it. Day Before i also checked that the plug was properly inserted and it was,.. doesn't matter, its working ok now.
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one thing happend... i was reading your reply, and i had to try it again, blow the 3.5mm just to idk, do something... played music again, and i was like WHAT,? theres bass... i can't believe it.. sound for some reason got better.. i cant understand it. Day Before i also checked that the plug was properly inserted and it was,.. doesn't matter, its working ok now.
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The phone was straight from the production line jack as a part was bring to it form another supplier, yes there can be some **** in it sometimes ;P nobody is perfect :fingers-crossed: glad its working better
@Rezio compared with oneplus3 its the same, played some flacs with poweramp
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The phone was straight from the production line jack as a part was bring to it form another supplier, yes there can be some **** in it sometimes ;P nobody is perfect :fingers-crossed: glad its working better
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im just glad its not broken.. that would be shame ,.. so we can close the thread!
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@Rezio compared with oneplus3 its the same, played some flacs with poweramp
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Thanks man , will definitely consider buying it now :highfive:
Hello to everyone,first post.
I am stuck with a very peculiar problem, I hope somebody can help me here.
I have the v20 (my daughter inherited it), the v30 (as backup), my wife has the v50 and I just bought a v60. The musical experience is a key feature for us.
Now, I have a maddening issue with it. After setting it up, i immediately noticed that it sounded distorted when playing certain songs from tidal.
I have a pair of etymotic research er2xr iems and a custom made ciem pair (75 ohm impedance) that literally blows the er2xr out of the water.
However, I started listening to classical music, it began to drive me nuts. There is constant distortion when playing high frequency piano parts (Chopin for example). I have tried different sources (tidal, my own collection in various resolutions) and they all produce the same distortion.
Other than that the sound quality is awesome. That is the strangest thing.
With the er2xr it is less pronounced but with the more revealing ciems it is simply not enjoyable.
I have done my fair bit of research (read about tidal watermarks etc. ) , I have tried the ciems with the v50 and the others, they sound fantastic playing Chopin. I even tried them with my desktop dac without issues.
My conclusion is:
- the dac has a problem (that's strange because only one frequency range is problematic)
- the dac has been tuned like this by the factory - that would also be strange as obviously other people would listen to classical music on it and they would definitely hear it.
I would really appreciate it if someone could add their opinions and tips.
I bought the phone from Germany and it's covered by warranty but it would be a hassle to send it back, let alone explaining the problem to them as with the oem iems nothing is audible.
Other than this and the occasional dual screen flickering issue (that has to do something with UAPP player) In love this phone and would like to stick with it.
The V50 sounds very different (darker I would say) and it is better tuned in my opinion. All other things, however, are better on the v60.
Thanks for every suggestion.
Adam
adamcs said:
Hello to everyone,first post.
I am stuck with a very peculiar problem, I hope somebody can help me here.
I have the v20 (my daughter inherited it), the v30 (as backup), my wife has the v50 and I just bought a v60. The musical experience is a key feature for us.
Now, I have a maddening issue with it. After setting it up, i immediately noticed that it sounded distorted when playing certain songs from tidal.
I have a pair of etymotic research er2xr iems and a custom made ciem pair (75 ohm impedance) that literally blows the er2xr out of the water.
However, I started listening to classical music, it began to drive me nuts. There is constant distortion when playing high frequency piano parts (Chopin for example). I have tried different sources (tidal, my own collection in various resolutions) and they all produce the same distortion.
Other than that the sound quality is awesome. That is the strangest thing.
With the er2xr it is less pronounced but with the more revealing ciems it is simply not enjoyable.
I have done my fair bit of research (read about tidal watermarks etc. ) , I have tried the ciems with the v50 and the others, they sound fantastic playing Chopin. I even tried them with my desktop dac without issues.
My conclusion is:
- the dac has a problem (that's strange because only one frequency range is problematic)
- the dac has been tuned like this by the factory - that would also be strange as obviously other people would listen to classical music on it and they would definitely hear it.
I would really appreciate it if someone could add their opinions and tips.
I bought the phone from Germany and it's covered by warranty but it would be a hassle to send it back, let alone explaining the problem to them as with the oem iems nothing is audible.
Other than this and the occasional dual screen flickering issue (that has to do something with UAPP player) In love this phone and would like to stick with it.
The V50 sounds very different (darker I would say) and it is better tuned in my opinion. All other things, however, are better on the v60.
Thanks for every suggestion.
Adam
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I don't have Tidal but I can test the tracks on my V60 and G8 through Deezer (lossless CD quality). I'd be using the Focal Clear and HD800s. I don't really have IEMs other than a pair of Klipsch X10.
adamcs said:
Hello to everyone,first post.
I am stuck with a very peculiar problem, I hope somebody can help me here.
I have the v20 (my daughter inherited it), the v30 (as backup), my wife has the v50 and I just bought a v60. The musical experience is a key feature for us.
Now, I have a maddening issue with it. After setting it up, i immediately noticed that it sounded distorted when playing certain songs from tidal.
I have a pair of etymotic research er2xr iems and a custom made ciem pair (75 ohm impedance) that literally blows the er2xr out of the water.
However, I started listening to classical music, it began to drive me nuts. There is constant distortion when playing high frequency piano parts (Chopin for example). I have tried different sources (tidal, my own collection in various resolutions) and they all produce the same distortion.
Other than that the sound quality is awesome. That is the strangest thing.
With the er2xr it is less pronounced but with the more revealing ciems it is simply not enjoyable.
I have done my fair bit of research (read about tidal watermarks etc. ) , I have tried the ciems with the v50 and the others, they sound fantastic playing Chopin. I even tried them with my desktop dac without issues.
My conclusion is:
- the dac has a problem (that's strange because only one frequency range is problematic)
- the dac has been tuned like this by the factory - that would also be strange as obviously other people would listen to classical music on it and they would definitely hear it.
I would really appreciate it if someone could add their opinions and tips.
I bought the phone from Germany and it's covered by warranty but it would be a hassle to send it back, let alone explaining the problem to them as with the oem iems nothing is audible.
Other than this and the occasional dual screen flickering issue (that has to do something with UAPP player) In love this phone and would like to stick with it.
The V50 sounds very different (darker I would say) and it is better tuned in my opinion. All other things, however, are better on the v60.
Thanks for every suggestion.
Adam
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I have some experience in this same subject but I would rather talk about it on the LG discord. To make it short, I have had 3 different V60 units and can confirm 1 sounded very distinctly different the the other two. All 3 units had the same distortion (usually on lower freq's in my case) you are referring to that I could confirm with my pair of IEM Audiosense T800. I also have had every V series device including 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, and G7 and G8. I agree the V50 sounded darker bolder, more closed in and personal to my ears at times, the V60 seems a bit more detailed and brighter. I can expand in more detail of my findings and I still have my G7 to compare to back and fourth.
Thanks for the replies. I have taken the phone to an audio engineer and had it checked by oscilloscope. It seems to be working fine, no clipping. However, when connected to an external sound generator the noise was clearly audible, which would lead me to think that the iems have a problem. Btw, I modify my earlier assessment, it happens when there is an attack, for example, and low and high frequencies are played together. The sound generator showed that it's almost always there but clearly audible from 200 Hz to 600Hz.
Then I went back to the guy who made the custom iem.
Findings are the followings:
- the noise is definitely audible when using the v60 with the ciems.
- no noise is audible when I listen to the v60 with other professional grade iems
- no noise is audible when using the ciems with a cayin n8 dap or other players
The above seem to contradict each other.
The ciem developer says that the ciem and phone are just not compatible. I tend to believe him, if such a thing exists, at all.
Hi, before I saw your post I made a thread about what seems like the same issue on my Bell Canada V60. I first noticed it playing Chopin piano, lol. It's very clear playing piano tracks. I have a binuaral beats app that can generate a signal and I can hear it as well. It's only there Somewhere between minimum and maximum volume and only when HIFI Quad DAC is enabled. I was begining to think I have a single hardware defect associated with the Quad DAC until I saw your post. What firmware are you on? I'm on V600TM10q
Here is my post: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/lg-v60-quad-dac-issues-with-noise-and-distortion.4227291/
jblparisi said:
I have some experience in this same subject but I would rather talk about it on the LG discord. To make it short, I have had 3 different V60 units and can confirm 1 sounded very distinctly different the the other two. All 3 units had the same distortion (usually on lower freq's in my case) you are referring to that I could confirm with my pair of IEM Audiosense T800. I also have had every V series device including 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, and G7 and G8. I agree the V50 sounded darker bolder, more closed in and personal to my ears at times, the V60 seems a bit more detailed and brighter. I can expand in more detail of my findings and I still have my G7 to compare to back and fourth.
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Hi I'm also experiencing this with a Canadian Bell V60. Where can I find your LG discord discussion on this? Thanks
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Hi I'm also experiencing this with a Canadian Bell V60. Where can I find your LG discord discussion on this? Thanks
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Hi,
This thing is really driving me nuts. I had the V60 measured with an oscilloscope by an expert. He didn't find any distortions or irregularities. I have replaced the ciems with a more expensive pair. The high noise floor (or background noise has disappeared) but it has developed a new problem since then. It started to randomly give a mechanical popping sound which is not consistent (doesn't always happen in the same tracks). The developer of the ciem is certain that the problem is the V60. I am not convinced about it.
Nevertheless, yesterday I went and sat down with the developer of the ciem to show him the problem. Guess what! I sat there for an hour and no matter what I did I couldn't reproduce the problem. Then on the way home in the car, it reappeared again. It is audible if you turn the iem around and only listen to the faceplate from the outside it sounds something like a cricket (only slightly mechanical) . Then the same problem occured with my wife's V50., too.
So, I think the problem is with the ciem not the V60. On the other hand, the first pair of ciems definitely worked and listening with my wife's er2xr I heard the same problems (high background noise) only less audibly.
Basically, I am stuck between the V60 and the ciems. I could return the V60 under warranty, but I am afraid I would only make a fool of myself as they would not be able to hear the problem. It is like chasing ghosts.
To sum it up, I am leaning towards the opinion that there are certain iems that have an incompatible frequency response curve with the LG V60 (it is important to note that the V50 doesn't have the same issue).
adamcs said:
Hi,
This thing is really driving me nuts. I had the V60 measured with an oscilloscope by an expert. He didn't find any distortions or irregularities. I have replaced the ciems with a more expensive pair. The high noise floor (or background noise has disappeared) but it has developed a new problem since then. It started to randomly give a mechanical popping sound which is not consistent (doesn't always happen in the same tracks). The developer of the ciem is certain that the problem is the V60. I am not convinced about it.
Nevertheless, yesterday I went and sat down with the developer of the ciem to show him the problem. Guess what! I sat there for an hour and no matter what I did I couldn't reproduce the problem. Then on the way home in the car, it reappeared again. It is audible if you turn the iem around and only listen to the faceplate from the outside it sounds something like a cricket (only slightly mechanical) . Then the same problem occured with my wife's V50., too.
So, I think the problem is with the ciem not the V60. On the other hand, the first pair of ciems definitely worked and listening with my wife's er2xr I heard the same problems (high background noise) only less audibly.
Basically, I am stuck between the V60 and the ciems. I could return the V60 under warranty, but I am afraid I would only make a fool of myself as they would not be able to hear the problem. It is like chasing ghosts.
To sum it up, I am leaning towards the opinion that there are certain iems that have an incompatible frequency response curve with the LG V60 (it is important to note that the V50 doesn't have the same issue).
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Hi Adamcs,
I have an USB external dac "Topping NX4 DSD" and other devices as well. Ive compared the v60 with 4 different headphones with different impedances. The issues are not present when I use an external usb dac with the v60, I dont hear them with the internal Quad Dac turned off. For me the issue is the way LG decided to auto unable the Quad Dac for different headphone impedances. (Above 50ohm I assume).. And the way they tuned the v60 dac to handle them. It seems with certain headphones, more sensitive ones, the issue is more obvious. Painfully obvious with Quad Dac on and Sony Mdr-7506 and solo piano tracks, Chopin for example. I still like this device even though Android 10 has its issues. UAPP is a big help there even if not perfect. In my opinion, its not the headphones and not the v60 all the time, seems like the combination of its Quad Dac and some headphones. I'm still a little confused but im starting to get a more clear picture of the situation after a lot of troubleshooting and reading other posts. Hope it helps you.
I wish I was there when your expert measured it with the scope, wish I owned one tbh. I know how to produce the conditions for the noise distortion to appear every time using a signal generated wave. Measuring it would be really interesting.
PS. I just played a random track with UAPP and Tidal, Olivia Dear - Halfway, and the distortion is immediately noticeable from the start. Its like the bass crossover leaks into the treble and its incredibly noticeable with Sony Mdr-7506( kind of bright pro headphones I use for audio editing, mixing etc..) Turn Quad dac off and theres zero distortion present.
I have experienced this issue as well, and have taken some measurements. This is the first 10 seconds of 'The Last Geisha' by Isidor. Top in both pics is Quad DAC on, lower is DAC off. Obvious, measurable issues with this phone. I'm rather upset by this, as unless my device is defective (or should I say, OUR devices) then either ESS or LG screwed something up, and this phone has zero right to be considered 'audiophile' at all. Considering trying to use my warranty to get a refund, or hopefully a replacement without the issue.
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Have you guys tried to confirm whether your V60 identifies the earphones as audio devices or just "external device" and see if it makes a difference? You can tell the connection type by the app Hifi Status (LG).
23velyn said:
Have you guys tried to confirm whether your V60 identifies the earphones as audio devices or just "external device" and see if it makes a difference? You can tell the connection type by the app Hifi Status (LG).
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My V60 is always in high-impedance mode with my headphones, and that's when I notice distortion. I recall doing my distortion test on a pair of Carbo Tenore IEMs. Gain was not in high-impedance mode (normal audio device). Didn't hear the distortion. I'm not sure how to make it go into external device mode.
By the way, if we want to be sure that we're talking about the same issue, I can only hear distortion when the volume is between 30-50 and the Quad DAC is in high-impedance mode. The distortion affects the left ear much worse than the right, but right still has a little bit going on. Distortion only seems to happen on specific tracks that rub it the wrong way, like The Last Geisha, as I mentioned above.
What format is the sample file in?
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What format is the sample file in?
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I streamed the song using TIDAL, Soundcloud, and Youtube. Same distortion every time. I tried using UAPP with the direct driver but also made no difference.
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I streamed the song using TIDAL, Soundcloud, and Youtube. Same distortion every time. I tried using UAPP with the direct driver but also made no difference.
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Try using a recording, wav, HDCD or a higher resolution lossless file type through Poweramp and see if you can dial the DAC in with many audio processing options. All DSP engines are not create equal.
Might be some sort of artifact present in the TIDAL music not your hardware.
With piano and especially harpsichord music artifacts are easier to detect.
Ideally you should use a stereo open air driver system ie a set of monitor speakers in a acoustically suitable listening area in order to fully reproduce the soundstage... or hear the lack of it.
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Try using a recording, wav, HDCD or a higher resolution lossless file type through Poweramp and see if you can dial the DAC in with many audio processing options. All DSP engines are not create equal.
Might be some sort of artifact present in the TIDAL music not your hardware.
With piano and especially harpsichord music artifacts are easier to detect.
Ideally you should use a stereo open air driver system ie a set of monitor speakers in a acoustically suitable listening area in order to fully reproduce the soundstage... or hear the lack of it.
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That the artifacts disappear when the Quad DAC is turned off leads me to believe that TIDAL isn't the issue, plus the other streaming services I tried. Believe me, the distortion artifacts are very audible with headphones. I'm using Clears and HD 650s. Soundstage was never an issue, just the crackling sounds that come from the peculiar crossover distortion.
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That the artifacts disappear when the Quad DAC is turned off leads me to believe that TIDAL isn't the issue, plus the other streaming services I tried. Believe me, the distortion artifacts are very audible with headphones. I'm using Clears and HD 650s. Soundstage was never an issue, just the crackling sounds that come from the peculiar crossover distortion.
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Yeah that doesn't sound good. If you have Developer options you could look at what audio options are available. Double check the settings.
Since you want to listen to music and know the difference... it will only grate on your nerves more as times passes. I toss it back.
Sorry you're having so much trouble.
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That the artifacts disappear when the Quad DAC is turned off leads me to believe that TIDAL isn't the issue, plus the other streaming services I tried. Believe me, the distortion artifacts are very audible with headphones. I'm using Clears and HD 650s. Soundstage was never an issue, just the crackling sounds that come from the peculiar crossover distortion.
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I'd return the phone to the merchant if you're still in the return window or initiate a warranty exchange with LG.
Quickstart Guide:
1. Go to second page of the thread to download the V4A convolution wav file. Get the one named "pocoxb7maxedv2.zip" (newer).
2. Copy the wav named "norm1xb7maxedv2.wav" in the name to Android/Data/com.pittvandewitt.viperfx/files/Kernel
3. Open Viper4Android, enable Master Limiter and Convolver. Set the convolver to the wav that was copied.
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Hey all, first post here. If I broke any rules please let me know.
Backstory (Skip Ahead):
So I've been using my Xiaomi phone for a while and it's really worth it for the price in my opinion. An issue I had was the 'tinny' speakers.
To remedy this, we need an anechoic measurement in order to actually "fix" the sound, not one measured indoors. We also need to get off-axis measurements as well. (Check the book from Floyd Toole on why).
An actual anechoic room is too 'expensive' (a bit of an understatement). There is the Klippel NFS, but it's also 'expensive'. But fortunately we can do a quasi-anechoic measurement (time gating). (Update: I developed another method to achieve this).
Here's the Poco X3 NFC left speaker measured at various angles on the listening window:
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The ideal target for an anechoic measurement would be a completely flat graph on-axis, smooth (maybe tilting) directivity and smooth sound power.
Subjectively speaking, applying the EQ through Viper4Android, the internal speaker sounds a lot better. It's a night and day difference in my opinion.
Anyway a few cons to be aware of:
Cons:
- Reduced (max) volume -> This one is to prevent clipping/breaking your speaker.
You can remedy this by using Playback Gain Control in Viper which will reduce the dynamic range on max volume (I recommend turning the gain control off when playing music)
- Difference in the speakers itself -> I only have one Poco X3 NFC to measure. If the speakers have bad unit variance, this won't work that great.
What I give to you:
A convolutional wav (in the zip) to use in Viper4Android / JamesDSP. Big thing to note is this requires root to use.
If you have questions, ask me anything. Thanks.
Can't really judge the results but I reckon yours is outstanding work. Thank you, sir.
Amazing effort, I have to try this.
Advantage is more bass & less treble for more realistic sound I guess.
Can you please make Parametric EQ preset for Neutron Music player as I prefer to use it without root? Thanks so much.
SkaboXD said:
Amazing effort, I have to try this.
Advantage is more bass & less treble for more realistic sound I guess.
Can you please make Parametric EQ preset for Neutron Music player as I prefer to use it without root? Thanks so much.
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Parametric EQ settings added, check out the post
zettozoid said:
Parametric EQ settings added, check out the post
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Thank you, I just want to ask where's the pre-amp value?
I know that we can apply normalization or AGP (Auto-Gain Protection) but for people who don't have advanced music players with those functions, it would be nice to have pre-amp value attached here.
I want to say that you can finally hear some bass with this EQ. Treble is a bit more dull (but still more accurate than stock) compared to my M50x headphones which use Harman EQ by oratory1990. But overall, sound is more realistic, less bright compared to before. Music gets the new depth. And with normalization, sound is not reduced much. -8db by average I would say. My advice is to play music around 70% to avoid distortion.
It's an amazing improvement & I recommend everyone to try.
Here's the EQ preset for Neutron MP. Place it in storage/emulated/NeutronMP folder. Bind EQ to folder/album in media library than use audio normalization feature along with it.
If you saved some custom EQ in Neutron, backup it's settings as it will be overwrited by this EQ XML.
Thanks a lot!
Is that preset also applicable to Poweramp?
wimstefan said:
Thanks a lot!
Is that preset also applicable to Poweramp?
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Nope. Only Neutron. I can try to make it for Poweramp.
SkaboXD said:
Thank you, I just want to ask where's the pre-amp value?
I know that we can apply normalization or AGP (Auto-Gain Protection) but for people who don't have advanced music players with those functions, it would be nice to have pre-amp value attached here.
I want to say that you can finally hear some bass with this EQ. Treble is a bit more dull (but still more accurate than stock) compared to my M50x headphones which use Harman EQ by oratory1990. But overall, sound is more realistic, less bright compared to before. Music gets the new depth. And with normalization, sound is not reduced much. -8db by average I would say. My advice is to play music around 70% to avoid distortion.
It's an amazing improvement & I recommend everyone to try.
Here's the EQ preset for Neutron MP. Place it in storage/emulated/NeutronMP folder. Bind EQ to folder/album in media library than use audio normalization feature along with it.
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The value is on my laptop, but looking at the graph it should be -7dB.
Oh yeah, for the treble part is where using a umik would come in handy since most cheap omni mics get inaccurate above 10khz. Sadly I don't have it so you can just add a 11khz high shelf and adjust by ear.
SkaboXD said:
Thank you, I just want to ask where's the pre-amp value?
I know that we can apply normalization or AGP (Auto-Gain Protection) but for people who don't have advanced music players with those functions, it would be nice to have pre-amp value attached here.
I want to say that you can finally hear some bass with this EQ. Treble is a bit more dull (but still more accurate than stock) compared to my M50x headphones which use Harman EQ by oratory1990. But overall, sound is more realistic, less bright compared to before. Music gets the new depth. And with normalization, sound is not reduced much. -8db by average I would say. My advice is to play music around 70% to avoid distortion.
It's an amazing improvement & I recommend everyone to try.
Here's the EQ preset for Neutron MP. Place it in storage/emulated/NeutronMP folder. Bind EQ to folder/album in media library than use audio normalization feature along with it.
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Oh lol we have the same headphones.
I was using oratory's preset till I got ahold of a custom preset via an app called DGSonicFocus.
I think my ears are a bit different since to make it sound neutral I have to reduce 1khz and 4500hz by around 4 dB from the harman curve.
I also have the 10khz above rising akin to the diffuse field curve.
With this in mind, listening to the preset for the speakers sound tonally correct to me sans the subbass. Perhaps it's due to unit variance.
zettozoid said:
Oh lol we have the same headphones.
I was using oratory's preset till I got ahold of a custom preset via an app called DGSonicFocus.
I think my ears are a bit different since to make it sound neutral I have to reduce 1khz and 4500hz by around 4 dB from the harman curve.
I also have the 10khz above rising akin to the diffuse field curve.
With this in mind, listening to the preset for the speakers sound tonally correct to me sans the subbass. Perhaps it's due to unit variance.
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I don't know my peak resonance of the ear, but I know that Harman EQ profile suits me. I might got the lottery with EQ & unit matching my ears correctly.
It sounds pretty much correct to me, I agree.
Unit variance & quality control of Xiaomi is not top notch for sure lol. But it still made an great improvement in sound quality.
SkaboXD said:
Nope. Only Neutron. I can try to make it for Poweramp.
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Oh wow that would be great! But please only if it's not too much of an hassle.
wimstefan said:
Oh wow that would be great! But please only if it's not too much of an hassle.
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I made Poweramp EQ preset, but you can't go below 0.1 Q value, below 20Hz & above 20000Hz with Poweramp EQ. So the EQ preset is very slightly different compared to EQ preset posted here by OP & me for Neutron Music Player as Neutron has much more powerful EQ. It's still great though.
Take in mind that Poweramp doesn't support exporting EQ presets only, but every setting choice. So backup/remember every setting you did before importing this EQ preset. Extract zip file before importing.
Thank you so much!
For the efforts to create the preset and also the precious & detailed information on how to handle it in Poweramp
zettozoid said:
So the ideal target for an anechoic measurement would be a flat graph. While this is, practically speaking impossible to achieve, we can (or at least I tried to) get closer to it by using equalization. Note that doing a measurement in a reflective room and equalizing from it is bad practice and will more than likely ruin the sound.
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For each their own, but tbh a completely flat graph won't sound good. personally, I quite like the stock tuning, but you can do quite a lot of tuning I'd probably boost the mids and drop the "air" peak
xlen said:
For each their own, but tbh a completely flat graph won't sound good. personally, I quite like the stock tuning, but you can do quite a lot of tuning I'd probably boost the mids and drop the "air" peak
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I'm not sure that by flat graph not "sounding good" we're talking about the same thing here though.
I believe in his book, Toole talks about most people leaning towards the (in anechoic chamber) "flat" measuring speaker which when put in a room gives a downward tilt with a bass boost.
If we're talking about my preset though, of course you can still tune it. I don't have a properly calibrated measurement mic (like the Umik) so the actual response above 1khz probably deviates somewhat.
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For each their own, but tbh a completely flat graph won't sound good. personally, I quite like the stock tuning, but you can do quite a lot of tuning I'd probably boost the mids and drop the "air" peak
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I hated stock tuning. With this EQ, I hate it even more lol.
I got a UMIK-1. I updated the EQ preset. Please check the main post
zettozoid said:
I got a UMIK-1. I updated the EQ preset. Please check the main post
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OMG YES!
Gonna try it now!
This is very big, every smartphone manufacturer should tune sound like you do.
I will edit for my final impressions
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It sounds better than the last EQ. It has better directivity and that ''less airness'' compared to last EQ comes from the fact that frequency response is more neutral with this new EQ, especially in treble & bass. It's still not perfect, but it's better. There are still some peaks between 10-15Khz, but that's nothing compared to other phones.
Awesome!
SkaboXD said:
OMG YES!
Gonna try it now!
This is very big, every smartphone manufacturer should tune sound like you do.
I will edit for my final impressions
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It sounds better than the last EQ. It has better directivity and that ''less airness'' compared to last EQ comes from the fact that frequency response is more neutral with this new EQ, especially in treble & bass. It's still not perfect, but it's better. There are still some peaks between 10-15Khz, but that's nothing compared to other phones.
Awesome!
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Good to know, did you use the wav or the Parametric EQ btw?
Also, fyi I didn't touch the bass since I ran out of the 6dB headroom. Perhaps the improvement you mentioned was placebo? As for the treble peaking I think that's either because of the smoothing of the measurement or non-linearities.
As it is, there's not much else to do to improve this further. I could either try to get the anechoic measurement down to around 200Hz but the result will probably have too low of a volume
zettozoid said:
Good to know, did you use the wav or the Parametric EQ btw?
Also, fyi I didn't touch the bass since I ran out of the 6dB headroom. Perhaps the improvement you mentioned was placebo? As for the treble peaking I think that's either because of the smoothing of the measurement or non-linearities.
As it is, there's not much else to do to improve this further. I could either try to get the anechoic measurement down to around 200Hz but the result will probably have too low of a volume
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Impulse response.
Well, higher frequencies can affect bass too, to mask it more if they are louder than neutral. It's a micro difference in real life but really noticeable imo when playing the pink noise & some nicely bass recorded songs. Maybe I could phrase it better myself there & not lead people that bass is bigger.
I believe it's due to unit variation mostly.
I would be open for some more volume reduction lol, I use my device at 80% volume + some noticeable volume compression happens above that volume.
But I honestly find no need. It's already good as it is. Better than most phone speakers up to 500 dollars price range for sure.
Which says how much frequency response is important for sound quality.