Has anyone noticed since the April update that when zooming in (by pressing the shortcut buttons with eg. from 1X to 3X, or 3X to 10X), there is an obvious "jitter/jolt" just at the end of zooming? I can't remember it being like this prior to the update. Testing this on the S21 Ultra and S22 is all smooth without any of this "jitter/jolt" at the end of zooming. Interestingly, zooming out doesn't have this issue.
Can anyone with the April update confirm this also?
EDIT: I realised my initial description above is pretty poor - so I'll add this in this original post:
"...it's almost as if a "filter" is suddenly added on at the end of the zooming, thus giving this "jitter/jolt" appearance (often you can see this "filter" effect quite obviously when going to the 10x zoom). Again, I've just tested this on the S21 Ultra and S22, and both don't have this behaviour. This especially affects video recording when zooming in, as this "real-time filter effect" isn't pleasant to watch.
-I've seen numerous YouTube videos now (mostly before the April update, and at least one after) which confirm this behaviour, and I think must be present on all S23 (Ultra) devices."
Are you sure it's not the effect of switching which camera it's using?
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Are you sure it's not the effect of switching which camera it's using?
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Yes I think that's indeed the case, but I'm almost certain that it's got a much more obvious "jitter/jolt" at the end of zooming than before the update. Practically, this isn't really an issue for photo taking obviously, but it certainly makes video less smooth when zooming in on things.
EDIT: it's almost as if a "filter" is suddenly added on at the end of the zooming, thus giving this "jitter/jolt" feel. Again, I've just tested this on the S21 Ultra and S22, and both don't have this issue. As previously stated, it will make video recording with zooming in much less smooth in appearance.
Not only smoothness, the 3x telephoto zoom in stills is also not having the same color reproduction as other lenses. It's more on the cooler side, especially indoors in normal/off white lighting conditions
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Not only smoothness, the 3x telephoto zoom in stills is also not having the same color reproduction as other lenses. It's more on the cooler side, especially indoors in normal/off white lighting conditions
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I managed to find an example of what I mean:
It's much more obvious particularly in that specific scenario when he goes from 3X to 10X - you can see that sudden "jitter/jolt" feel right at the end of the zooming in, as if a "filter" is placed over the lens. As stated above, the S21 Ultra and S22 don't have this, and thus video recording while zooming in on things is much smoother.
I can't actually remember if this was present before the April update - to be honest, I've only really just started using the cameras more since the April update haha.
Looks like this "issue" was actually present before the April update:
You can see it quite clearly when he goes from 1X to 3X - that sudden "jolt" right at the end of the zoom.
I suppose I hadn't been using the cameras much until yesterday, so hadn't really observed/processed this in my mind. Again, you can see with older Samsung phones, this "jolt" doesn't happen at all. The fact that it's still present after the April update makes me wonder if it will ever be "fixed".
I've edited my original post for clarity of the issue.
Conclusion so far is that it seems to be a universal behaviour, and perhaps something that Samsung isn't worried about. I've seen some videos that show the iPhone side by side with the S23 Ultra and you can see it's not present on the iPhone. As I said, even the S21 Ultra didn't have this, and I'm quite surprised not more reviewers and posters are commenting on this, as it makes video recording when zooming in less pleasant to watch - somewhat a pity, as the zoom quality of Samsung's "Ultra" devices since the S20/S21 has been quite impressive otherwise.
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Thought this relevant since the nexus 5x has the same camera.
This is a comparison to the iphone 6...looks pretty impressive
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/3ogvrg/nexus_6p_vs_iphone_6_low_light_photos/
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It looks AMAZING!
Woah - impressive. In fact, I dont think I have ever seen such a definitive improvement with anyone doing a camera side by side comparison as this. Sheesh! I wqonder how much of that is HDR trickery?
I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
Both have some pretty ugly digital noise in the shadows, but you can see the effect of the larger pixels in the clarity of the detail. In the last pair of photos I see some chromatic aberration in the Nexus that's not there in the Apple, but the shadow detail is still better.
Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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Anyone regret getting the 5x over the 6p now?
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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no, the 6p is too big, I can deal without EIS
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Me either. 6P is too big for me too
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Show me the 5x night camera samples and I will tell you.
Seriously speaking, the camera for these types of shots should be very close to the same for 5x and 6p
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I doubt the Nexus 5x will do as well without image stabilization. Unless these were taken on a tripod. Apparently the 810 can handle electronic image stabilization but the 808 processor can't.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-because-the-snapdragon-808-isnt-fast-enough/
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
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You can't do EIS when taking a photograph, it only works on video where each frame can be zoomed in and cropped to match up the position of points in the previous frame. EIS on video doesn't remove blur on each individual frame either due to motion, that will still be there resulting in a lowering of overall captured detail, but each frame lines up better with the ones either side resulting in less visible shake making it easier to watch.
What the 6P is likely doing with pictures is taking several in quick succession, then picking the best one based on contrast detection which is easily done in software, and the picture with the most contrast is the best out of the bunch. This helps, it isn't OIS of course, but you get the picture with the least blurring due to motion or shaky hands, this assumes you do manage to capture a shake free photo in the bunch taken of course.
To be fair, OIS in tiny smart phone camera modules struggles to be effective, as there is a limit to how much movement those tiny optics can make and how many axis of movement they can compensate for.
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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Yep, but not because of the camera! I had to cancel my 6P order because monies. 5X a compromise in getting a Nexus but I would have enjoyed the more premium phone a lot more. **** happens. Smaller size is a bonus, though.
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Thanks for the info on EIS. I've been wondering how it works. The camera/software picking the best pick is called "lucky shot" internally and I think both phones have it, if I read the AMA correctly. I understand that the phone camera module is tiny, but since it has enlarged pixels, and a camera hump which makes it seem that the module is bigger than normal, perhaps OIS isn't needed as much?
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It's all down to shutter speed really, the faster the shutter speed the less likely any camera shake is noticeable. Generally a shutter speed of 1/30th to 1/60th sec is considered the slowest speed a camera can be handheld reliably without camera shake ruining too many pictures with typical lenses. A wider angle lens can go slower in shutter speed than a zoom lens where avoiding camera shake is concerned. This is because when you are zoomed in, a small tremor from our hands is amplified to be a much bigger movement, something you will notice if using binoculars. So smart phone cameras have an advantage already as they are pretty wide angle lenses.
Outdoors in the daytime shutter speeds are pretty high, high enough that OIS is probably pointless and having no benefit for photography on smartphone cameras. It's still important for video in daylight, that is because video is recording over time, and not a split second instance that freezes the action like a photo with a fast shutter speed.
In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
The above ignores the effect of the flash of course, add in the flash and that helps freeze action anyway plus allows faster shutter speeds.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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Phil
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In dark situations, the larger pixels of the new Nexus are more sensitive, this means the gain can be turned up higher without destroying the picture with noise, resulting in the ability to speed up the shutter speed. This can mean an indoor scene that might need 1/30th second shutter on another camera, on the new Nexus it can be faster and might be set at 1/60th of second, so resisting camera shake. Of course go a bit darker, the new Nexus needs 1/30th of a second now, another camera might need 1/15th second but that has OIS, so shake becomes evident on the Nexus, but is corrected on the other camera. So the advantages of larger pixels only help in a very specific situation, i.e. they aren't making that big a difference.
I think the main difference not having OIS will make is when you are in poor light, perhaps indoors, and want to take a picture close up of something, for example a document to "scan to Google drive" or a 2D barcode, the close up nature is like being zoomed in so blur becomes more evident.
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Thanks for the informative post! I enjoyed reading it.
I was informed that tucking in your elbows to your body when taking a photo or video can help a bit in stabilization. How effective is that? Any other stabilization tips since OIS is gone?
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There's already a picture posting thread here....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/general/post-pictures-nexus-6p-t3213937
One is all we need. :good:
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A camera is a very important factor for me when buying a phone,
I bought my Redmi Note 3 after reading some underwhelming reviews about the camera, thinking "oh well, how bad can the rear camera be?" - well, the camera is really under performing, very soft images, noticeable noise in almost every scenario, very disappointing.
My question is that,
Is it really a hardware issue, or just poor camera algorithms coding?
if the former, I will just look for another phone and sell mine,
otherwise, I will (try to) wait patiently until the appropriate software update will come
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check this out
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/comments/5ci866/why_do_people_mock_the_redmi_note_3_camera_it/
Camera is nothing but decent , specially at natural light conditions.it seems great at night condition without flash due to low aperture.miui 8 greatly improved my camera experience.i found alomost zero noise in night shots. Enough for a $200 phone
I think it takes good pictures but I found that any kind of motion will blur the picture (even just walking and snapping a pic), so motion sucks, try taking a picture of a moving dog it will just be a blur, low light also sucks, but if you take still pictures under good lighting pictures look great, I think there is a soft spot for this camera it's just hard to find, also lowering the resolution to 12MP will take 16:9 widescreen photos rather then 4:3 photos in 16MP mode
Part of the problem is it never wants to increase the shutter speed properly in order to keep iso low. It tends to take most pictures at 1/25th or so, which is great for static but not for moving objects where you need a faster shutter speed to freeze motion.
ferez said:
Hi,
A camera is a very important factor for me when buying a phone,
I bought my Redmi Note 3 after reading some underwhelming reviews about the camera, thinking "oh well, how bad can the rear camera be?" - well, the camera is really under performing, very soft images, noticeable noise in almost every scenario, very disappointing.
My question is that,
Is it really a hardware issue, or just poor camera algorithms coding?
if the former, I will just look for another phone and sell mine,
otherwise, I will (try to) wait patiently until the appropriate software update will come
Thanks
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low light shots are average.
daytime shots are great.
did you tweak the default settings?
which ROM are you on?....try to be on latest MM dev or china rom
also try using open camera.
at this price range, show me a phone which gives better images?
I tried all the tweaks available including using Open Camera, nothing really helped.
I ended up selling it and buying an Mi4C - the difference in photo quality is unbelievable (at a price of around 90$ new)
Had 7 different smart phones this year, and Redmi Note's camera was the weakest among them, for me it's very noticeable.
I just received my shiny S21, so far Have adjusted ok from the s10. However, I'm having alot of lag when using the camera, press the button then 5-10 seconds later the thumbnail appears. Slo-motion video stutters and is not smooth on replay! Quite a different experience from the s10 that was flawless!
Any suggestions? I've cleared data/cache for the camera app and no change.
Did you also check for Software Updates? There was a software update (AUA3) waiting for me after setting up the phone, but on my S21 Ultra. I'd imagine you may have one as well as top line in the patch notes offers "The performance of Camera has been improved" which may or may not help with your issue.
Im on AUA4 (Australia) dated 20/1/21, no doubt they will resolve it, bit frustrating but apart from that I'm really liking the experience!
I have the Snapdragon S10. I always shoot video in 4k30 HDR10+ and the results are superb. So when I bought my wife the S21 (Exynos), I immediately set her camera to the same video mode. Unfortunately, it is virtually unusable in this mode. Camera interface drops to 10 frames per second, takes a while to start, and seems to record for a good 5 seconds or so after pressing stop. The latest update specified "Camera performance improvements" but seemed to make no difference. Very disappointed and I hope this is fixed in a future update! Worried this is an Exynos-only problem.
Try clearing cam data.
Clear system cache.
Try a hard reboot (not reset!)
If cam has been update go back to factory load.
I personally don't like that it's not near instant when taking pictures. Expected better.
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I personally don't like that it's not near instant when taking pictures. Expected better.
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Even the best pro cams have shutter lag.
To get that kind of fast fluidity you pay big bucks; the cost of a couple of these smart phones.
All the phones including the 10+ are slow compared to my pro cam from 11 years ago.
AF lock on times though may have been similar because of the mass of the optics the lens micromotors had to move. The AF was a lot better though as were the controls. That's close to $10G of cam/lense though.
Is the already AF locked on before you hit the release?
Acquiring an AF lock takes the longest amount of time generally. Using target tracking (yellow brackets) can help reduce the time.
Considering the size of these cams they do quit well. You need to work within any cam's limitations regardless and view the world as it does.
My Exynos S20+ 5G also has this problem too. Interface is laggy, and there is almost impossible to record fluid slow motion video. I have the impression that it is even worse after the last update than before.
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Even the best pro cams have shutter lag.
To get that kind of fast fluidity you pay big bucks; the cost of a couple of these smart phones.
All the phones including the 10+ are slow compared to my pro cam from 11 years ago.
AF lock on times though may have been similar because of the mass of the optics the lens micromotors had to move. The AF was a lot better though as were the controls. That's close to $10G of cam/lense though.
Is the already AF locked on before you hit the release?
Acquiring an AF lock takes the longest amount of time generally. Using target tracking (yellow brackets) can help reduce the time.
Considering the size of these cams they do quit well. You need to work within any cam's limitations regardless and view the world as it does.
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Nah. The latest update addressed this issue. Near instant snaps. This isn't my first phone with a camera.
SiNJiN76 said:
Nah. The latest update addressed this issue. Near instant snaps. This isn't my first phone with a camera.
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A pro cam and set of lens will ruin you forever... these phones are more like toys.
cookie666 said:
I just received my shiny S21, so far Have adjusted ok from the s10. However, I'm having alot of lag when using the camera, press the button then 5-10 seconds later the thumbnail appears. Slo-motion video stutters and is not smooth on replay! Quite a different experience from the s10 that was flawless!
Any suggestions? I've cleared data/cache for the camera app and no change.
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Got the same problem latest update maybe its exnyos thing?
All of the recent updates (incl. June update) contain fixes for camera. And it seems to indeed help, however, only for few hours after update. After few hours the lag comes back...
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All of the recent updates (incl. June update) contain fixes for camera. And it seems to indeed help, however, only for few hours after update. After few hours the lag comes back...
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Check memory usage periodically... see if you can spot which apk is doing it.
Clear system cache.
I've had the phone for a couple of days now ant the battery life is stellar but the camera is such a disappointment. Compared with the S22 Ultra it lets in less light and the pictures are overall darker. Same goes for low light pictures, the S22 Ultra is consistently brighter in all scenarios. It reminds me of the difference between my iPhone 13Pro and my S22 Ultra last year the former always capturing more light. To be honest I was expecting the opposite to be true with all the reviewers clamoring about the S23 Ultra's better low life performance and camera overall. I'm really not impressed so far.
Anyone else still in possession of both phones? What's your experience been like? Any suggestions? Did I miss something in the setting? So many questions
Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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Clear cam data, try a hard reboot and clear system cache. Try in safe mode.
Carefully go through -all- the cam settings and options.
Return it if you don't like it for a cash refund.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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I'm upgrading from S22U (SnapDragon) to S23U and the few comparison shots I've taken I found that the S23U does capture slightly more detail, but there's not much difference at all. Remember this is the initial firmware for the phone though so the camera performance should hopefully receive some updates over time.
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For sure. I totally get that. The thing is all the reviewers said that the s23u captured more light and that has yet to materialize for me. They were using the same software. To your point, the software should get better but I feel as though this is a hardware thing. But I'm no expert.
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Are you using the 12 MP default option instead of 200 MP? The 12 MP is said to give the best results on colors and contrast when shooting in low light.
"Binning pixels like this increases their effective size, allowing them to gather more light and detail. So the ISOCELL HP2 can bin every four pixels to effectively make them 1.2μm in size and produce 50-megapixel images, or bin 16 for even larger 2.4μm pixels and 12.5-megapixel images."
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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If by 12MP you mean 3:4 absolutely. Didn't change anything.
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I don't have my phone yet but there is a setting somewhere that you can choose between 200 MP, 50 MP or 12 MP in settings.
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Done. No dice. The camera still lets in less light on the S23U. In the settings I noticed that Camera assistant is missing. Must be a One UI 5.1 thing. Do you also have the S22 and S23 Ultra? Is that the reason for your suggestions? Are you seeing different results?
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Try shooting raws, at least 3 f/stops more exposure and WB correction. Downside is the post processing effort/time required.
The issue may simply be the firmware instruction set. Samsung is notorious for dialing things in after the release. I'm still happily running N10+'s on Pie and Q. I demand a dual drive capable device. I'm not pleased at all by the newer Android versions from Gookill either.
The dead zone between pixels on such a small sensor with such a huge pixel count is concerning as is the individual pixel microlense quality. Even 20mp is pushing it. Canon full frame sensors are maxed out at about 26mp.
Regardless of the camera learning it's capabilities, limitations and shooting effectively within those boundaries is what grabs keepers.
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Is it the camera or the display?
Check/compare images on a properly color calibrated monitor... yeah, it's a can of worms.
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I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have
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I'll try tomorrow
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iI'll t.
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I'll try tomorrow
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I'll try tomorrow! This app is so wonky for me. I'll try tomorrow and post the pics.
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In low light hold the phone as still as possible.
Use a nearby fixed object to brace it or yourself on when possible.
Using the spen as a remote shutter release will help too.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
PhilMorin said:
I haven't had issues so far with the camera outputting dark images. I've tried some shots inside at night (with main cam), shots outside, shots with main 12, 50 and 200mp modes, 3x, 10x. So far I'm pretty satisfied and also noticed a huge improvement in processing especially for 3x and 10x outside which, on my s21 ultra, I was always doing those shots with gcam. Now I could actually consider using stock, though I need to test way more extensively to know for sure.
Might help if you provide us with some pictures of the issue you're having, maybe side by side with your s22 if you still have it.
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
Edit: @blackhawk was spot on. They were both from the S22u. I have such a hard time with the app. I re-uploaded the correct pics. Left S23u Right S22u.
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I got a Benro Tripod with a Phone attachment mounted on top. Gonna try that when I get the Ultra Monday doing some dark photos and using the pen as remote shutter release. Will also do same with the S22U before sending it back to Samsung.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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Okay I think this worked. I'll let you guess which is which.
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Poor example; different shooting heights skews the results. The AF lock on point is also different so the bottle's print is out of focus in the one shot. Light metering and colors look near identical in both.
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I loathe tripods. Learned to improvise and shoot in low light with my Canon Pro cam 15 years ago.
I'll use anything at any height or angle I can reach as a brace; with practice you can land one of a kind keepers no tripod can grab.
Smart phones are poor shooting platforms; light weight so there's little stabilizing inertia and lousy handholds. Poor shutter release and controls. However they lend themselves to bracing well enough. In a case you don't have to worry much about what you brace it on...
The traditional elbows in, wide staggered foot stance, hold your breath works too. Shooting technique counts...
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That might work for Photos but not very well for videos especially when you are zooming in 20x. Here's is an example where I have S22U on a tripod and zoom in on a waterfall from across the canyon and pan up and down. No way you gonna do it that smoothly holding it in your hands even braced. So for videos I love the tripod. It's the very lightest one they make and perfect for cell phones or light cameras. Change YouTube resolution to 1080p for best viewing.
Major Update Released for Galaxy S23, Improves Camera - TizenHelp
As promised earlier this month, Samsung is now releasing a major software update for the Galaxy S23 series. The major focus of the software is to improve the camera performance & Gallery of Galaxy S23, S23+ & S23 Ultra. In the past, many users complained about the camera and other features, so...
www.tizenhelp.com
1. A function has been added to the gallery so that you can immediately delete photos that are being processed immediately after taking them with the camera.
2. For faster photo taking, the AF concept has been changed so that when the user presses the shooting button, the user can take a photo even when the focus is not completely set.
However, if you want to shoot after completing Focus as before, please change the settings in the latest Camera Assistant.
3. Improved sharpness/flicker and added notice when shooting Ultrawide in low light indoors after setting Camera Video Mode > Super Steady On.
4. Fixed a phenomenon where a green line was displayed on the left side intermittently when shooting in the rear photo mode.
5. Improved image stabilization when shooting with FHD60 after setting Auto FPS Off in the rear video.
6. Improved line-shaped banding noise in the sky in mid-low light when shooting high-pixel in low-mid light.
Overall sharpness was optimized during high-pixel shooting, and intermittent blurring was improved through OIS stabilization.
7. Fixed a malfunction when shooting after Night Off in low light after selecting Shooting Speed > High Resolution > Speed Priority in Camera Assistant.
8. Fixed an issue where face recognition could not be recognized intermittently after ending a 3rd party video call.
9. Stability has been improved for camera movements introduced through other routes.
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Nice and specially the faster photo taking, but I don't see anything about post-processing...
I can see some post-processing things. Point 3 - more sharpening, <sarcasm on> because out of the box Samsung is applying to less <sarcasm off>.
As predicted, no serious change. stock camera picture will continue to suck.
Luckily we have gcam on this device (the reason I went back to Samsung after 10 years)
Fl1nt91 said:
As predicted, no serious change. stock camera picture will continue to suck.
Luckily we have gcam on this device (the reason I went back to Samsung after 10 years)
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Yes, I'm using GCAM as well and I'm quite happy with the picture quality, but it is frustrating that you need to use 3rd party app to make a camera for a such expensive device (which is by the way advertised as a camera-oriented one with exceptional quality) usable. And would be nice to make better use of that high-resolution sensor that we have. I know, that it is not possible to heave real 200Mpix or even 50Mpix pictures, but with good algorithms that would be more than 12Mpix that we have in the GCAM.
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Yes, I'm using GCAM as well and I'm quite happy with the picture quality, but it is frustrating that you need to use 3rd party app to make a camera for a such expensive device (which is by the way advertised as a camera-oriented one with exceptional quality) usable. And would be nice to make better use of that high-resolution sensor that we have. I know, that it is not possible to heave real 200Mpix or even 50Mpix pictures, but with good algorithms that would be more than 12Mpix that we have in the GCAM.
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Agree, is so annoying
I hope this update will fix the photos and especially - the video stabilization bug that is unacceptable in a phone of such class.
In march I once had a pretty important event of which I took a couple of videos. All of them are shaky as hell - there is literally zero video stabilization on them. Pretty annoying given that the stabilization on S23 series is great and WAS great with january security patch, but they destroyed it in February or March patch.
Photos are also an oversharpened disaster. Can't wait for the update.
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I hope this update will fix the photos and especially - the video stabilization bug that is unacceptable in a phone of such class.
In march I once had a pretty important event of which I took a couple of videos. All of them are shaky as hell - there is literally zero video stabilization on them. Pretty annoying given that the stabilization on S23 series is great and WAS great with january security patch, but they destroyed it in February or March patch.
Photos are also an oversharpened disaster. Can't wait for the update.
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If you were shooting fhd 60 fps then yes, that issue has been addressed. As for the rest, nope. Check first post for release notes.
chetszot said:
I hope this update will fix the photos and especially - the video stabilization bug that is unacceptable in a phone of such class.
In march I once had a pretty important event of which I took a couple of videos. All of them are shaky as hell - there is literally zero video stabilization on them. Pretty annoying given that the stabilization on S23 series is great and WAS great with january security patch, but they destroyed it in February or March patch.
Photos are also an oversharpened disaster. Can't wait for the update.
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Enable auto FPS until this update is released. This fixes stabilization issue on [email protected]
Probably in preparation of camera update, received an update of Camera Assistant (CA) app. New feature is reported:
"-Prioritize focus over speed
Wait for the camera to finish focusing before triggering the shutter. This may delay the shutter slightly."
The feature is actually not (yet) visible in the CA-app...
What's a gcam profile for the 23u?
I'm hoping it will stop the over saturation and balance photos better. Sometimes the colors it shows defy reality!
ekerbuddyeker said:
I'm hoping it will stop the over saturation and balance photos better. Sometimes the colors it shows defy reality!
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You have high hopes. There is nothing about that is the changelog.
I'll wait for the update to be released before offering an opinion on how good or bad it is.
Seems like minor update that's tweaking AF on stills and bunch of video mode fixes. Unless they don't list other tweaks
In The Netherlands the update is not there yet.
hill67 said:
In The Netherlands the update is not there yet.
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Don't worry, it's released only in S. Korea so far and nowhere else in this milky way galaxy. All are waiting.
Installing firm from 918N into 918B is an option ?
I mean ... is it just a CSC question or the phones are different in terms of hardware ?
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Installing firm from 918N into 918B is an option ?
I mean ... is it just a CSC question or the phones are different in terms of hardware ?
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Different hardware unfortunately
Fl1nt91 said:
As predicted, no serious change. stock camera picture will continue to suck.
Luckily we have gcam on this device (the reason I went back to Samsung after 10 years)
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Suck? Do you have parkinson's?
The camera while not perfect performs brilliantly .
Return yours
Mine is the best S Series Camera to date.
Must be a batch difference.
I took over 300 pics and vids comparing s22U to S23U and my results coincided with most every experienced YouTube reviewer.....overall: damned good with improvements expected