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I think it's really amazing! A foldable phone that's a Pixel
What do you think?
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notnoelchannel said:
I think it's really amazing! A foldable phone that's a Pixel
What do you think?
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I'm stoked for it. Everything about it that was announced was expected due to the leaks... form factor, price, specs, etc. Dates were expected, although I'm not too happy with the Sony Xperia-esque delivery date (a bit of an exaggeration, but whatever). Will be worth it in the end though.
Hoping that Android 14 Beta will make it's way over to it sooner rather than later.
I think it's miles behind Samsung on the software front unfortunately. But the pixel fold has 2 big advantages, the form factor is much better than Samsung (too narrow) and it's going to be much easier to root/build custom ROMs. Peeves me off even after you unroot Samsung 1/2 your functions are still broken
andy242 said:
I think it's miles behind Samsung on the software front unfortunately. But the pixel fold has 2 big advantages, the form factor is much better than Samsung (too narrow) and it's going to be much easier to root/build custom ROMs. Peeves me off even after you unroot Samsung 1/2 your functions are still broken
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For example camera is going to be broken after root on the galaxy fold..
notnoelchannel said:
I think it's really amazing! A foldable phone that's a Pixel
What do you think?
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It would be an interesting device if it sold for ~$800. I don't know what they are charging an extra $1,000 for.
notnoelchannel said:
For example camera is going to be broken after root on the galaxy fold..
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Not anymore but Samsung pass Samsung health and Samsung pay will never work again even after unroot
TheMystic said:
It would be an interesting device if it sold for ~$800. I don't know what they are charging an extra $1,000 for.
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That's a good question. I think it's the accessories for the device?
It will have the same issues as all fold displays; material failure at the crease. It's simply beyond the physical capabilities of any transparent plastics/adhesives to repeatedly bend at that high a radius. You can take that to the bank.
What to expect...
High because of limited production and breakage, during and after production.
Limited storage because Gookill doesn't want you to have expandable storage; like MS they want to force you into the cloud.
If it's reality be as great as its hype... but it's not.
blackhawk said:
It will have the same issues as all fold displays; material failure at the crease. It's simply beyond the physical capabilities of any transparent plastics/adhesives to repeatedly bend at that high a radius. You can take that to the bank.
High because of limited production and breakage, during and after production.
Limited storage because Gookill doesn't want you to have expandable storage; like MS they want to force you into the cloud.
If it's reality be as great as its hype... but it's not.
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Tbh the inner screen failure has been quite low on Sammy devices, the issues have been with the inner screen protector. I do agree with you on the production yield though
No Ideas coz it will Not Release in India. But If Released It would be the Most Non Selled Device in India. Here only 2 Type of People One Type Goes to Chinese Phones as they were cheaper other type people only buys Samsung or Apple Because most of them are considering these brands are the best in market without checking others... This is Also the Reason for Google to stopped selling their flagships in India.
notnoelchannel said:
That's a good question. I think it's the accessories for the device?
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As far as I know, they don't even give a charger in the box.
There are a lot of reasons to price it there.
Product positioning: All rumors point to this becoming their flagship device. A part of what makes a flagship, a flagship, is exclusivity through pricing. It wouldn't be exclusive if everyone had it.
It's also more palatable to consumers to lower pricing that is too high versus raising prices that were below what the market would bear.
There is some speculation that they'd rather not move too many of these until the durability factor is quantified. That reduces the exposure to warranty claims in case there should be a significant percentage of failures in the wild.
Money, and lots of it, gives you a different perspective. While corporate goals have reportedly turned to making hardware profitable, it is not their cash cow. If you look at their earnings, you can see very clearly that hardware isn't keeping the lights on. Their not idiots: The purpose of being in the hardware game is controlling the narrative; the real machine is their ad business.
They would like hardware to recoup its cost, make a little money. If it goes their way, maybe even become a significant source of future profits. But for today they're swimming in money and investing billions in hardware that will help shape the android ecosystem is really investing billions in their ad business. The Pixel Fold doesn't need to sell in numbers because Google is not really in the hardware business. They have that luxury.
krabman said:
There are a lot of reasons to price it there.
Product positioning: All rumors point to this becoming their flagship device. A part of what makes a flagship, a flagship, is exclusivity through pricing. It wouldn't be exclusive if everyone had it.
It's also more palatable to consumers to lower pricing that is too high versus raising prices that were below what the market would bear.
There is some speculation that they'd rather not move too many of these until the durability factor is quantified. That reduces the exposure to warranty claims in case there should be a significant percentage of failures in the wild.
Money, and lots of it, gives you a different perspective. While corporate goals have reportedly turned to making hardware profitable, it is not their cash cow. If you look at their earnings, you can see very clearly that hardware isn't keeping the lights on. Their not idiots: The purpose of being in the hardware game is controlling the narrative; the real machine is their ad business.
They would like hardware to recoup its cost, make a little money. If it goes their way, maybe even become a significant source of future profits. But for today they're swimming in money and investing billions in hardware that will help shape the android ecosystem is really investing billions in their ad business. The Pixel Fold doesn't need to sell in numbers because Google is not really in the hardware business. They have that luxury.
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Well put. Meantime to failure of the inner protective screen and/or display, 6 months.
andy242 said:
Tbh the inner screen failure has been quite low on Sammy devices, the issues have been with the inner screen protector. I do agree with you on the production yield though
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I didn't even touch on the AMOLED display that's constantly bending at a very tight radius. Unlike ribbon cables in conventional hinges. With its hundreds of matrix pathways as well OLEDs . Much more stress than in a simple static curved display. Add to all that the torsional stresses of being on a hinge.
It's got fail written all over it.
Warranty doesn't reimburse inconvenient... the only hardware down time this N10+ suffered in almost 4 years (how many Folds have survived heavy usage with this kind of repair track record?) was half a day to have its battery replace. Worse Samsung failed to adequately design firmware/software that can take full advantage of all the real estate that's available.
Samsung has had many years to get the whole package from a beta project to a flagship level* of reliability and performance. It remains a more refined beta offering. It's a cool looking headache.
*meanwhile their other flagships are suffering as well. Too many lamps burning and not enough kerosene.
I'd like to see the citations for your data; I'm not aware of any source, public or private, that shows MTBF for the Pixel Fold screen. Or for that matter, any data you possess or can link to showing the MTBF for any foldable device coming from a reputable source would be useful to all of us. I would be grateful if you could share this information.
Just to give you an idea of the testing involved in the development of these phones the screens were tested to last at least 200,000 or more openings (open and close counts as 1) depending on the device. That's over 5 years even if you use your phone every ten minutes, for 16 hours, every single day.
krabman said:
I'd like to see the citations for your data; I'm not aware of any source, public or private, that shows MTBF for the Pixel Fold screen. Or for that matter, any data you possess or can link to showing the MTBF for any foldable device coming from a reputable source would be useful to all of us. I would be grateful if you could share this information.
Just to give you an idea of the testing involved in the development of these phones the screens were tested to last at least 200,000 or more openings (open and close counts as 1) depending on the device. That's over 5 years even if you use your phone every ten minutes, for 16 hours, every single day.
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Link is above; it didn't go so well for them. Maybe you'll get lucky. Are you feeling lucky?
Use some common sense. Do you know of any folding plastic with this acute of a radius bend and thickness that can survive 200k folds? Worse it's a laminate.
Even teflon is hard pressed to do that... and it's not transparent.
I've gone through 3 folders, none of them failed. I'm typing on one that's a year old right now, but much like the link you've posted, that's just one man's personal experience and in no way qualifies as data regarding MTBF for any particular device or part.
Do you have any actual MTBF data from a credible source that you can link?
krabman said:
I've gone through 3 folders, none of them failed. I'm typing on one that's a year old right now, but much like the link you've posted, that's just one man's personal experience and in no way qualifies as data regarding MTBF for any particular device or part.
Do you have any actual MTBF data from a credible source that you can link?
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That's a pretty good run especially for the earlier ones. The better get while gettings good philosophy has worked so far for you.
I still have the Note 10+ I purchased in October of 2019. It looks and runs like new. Only repair was one replacement battery. It has over 8k hours on it with zero detectable display defects/degradation.
MTBF? It's not mil spec... 200k cycles; sounds like it last 5 years easy. Yes, well... just like the Samsung VP's claim that most customers hold the Note in their right hand to justify putting the spen on the wrong side. Sammy's gotten pretty sleazy in the last 4 years. Zero confidence.
Trust me, the first Z fold was a little scary. By the time I traded it the hinge was a weakening, there were signs of screen delamination, etc. That was somewhat less than a year.
The only longevity question mark I have here is that the phone hasn't been in consumer hands. They talk about having iterated the hardware dozens of time over the (protracted) development period but that's no substitute for 1000s of hands finding ways to make something break.
For me, it's simple: Sometimes it goes bad when you want to play with the new shiny; I like new shiny and it usually it works out so I'll take my chances.
krabman said:
There are a lot of reasons to price it there.
Product positioning: All rumors point to this becoming their flagship device. A part of what makes a flagship, a flagship, is exclusivity through pricing. It wouldn't be exclusive if everyone had it.
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There is no rumour pointing to this becoming their flagship device. It is just a different form factor. The flagship device from Samsung is their S Ultra, not the Fold which is already in its 4th generation. The Pixel 7 Pro is still the better device than the Pixel fold.
As with exclusivity through pricing, it makes sense to buy one only if the product is indeed superior. If not, it is just a waste of money.
krabman said:
There is some speculation that they'd rather not move too many of these until the durability factor is quantified. That reduces the exposure to warranty claims in case there should be a significant percentage of failures in the wild.
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That is a strategy even Samsung used. But they were the pioneers, testing waters and creating a new product. Google using it almost 5 years later shows that the hardware is still not up to the mark for mass use.
MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION:
Your reasons explain the pricing from the company's perspective. Why is the customer paying so much for an inferior product? To help Google to improve their products?
It is well known that Samsung's software is best optimised for the fold experience today. It has a much better build and in its 4th generation. It is the better product and easily the better choice to make, if the customer has 'value' and 'reliability' considerations.
krabman said:
Just to give you an idea of the testing involved in the development of these phones the screens were tested to last at least 200,000 or more openings (open and close counts as 1) depending on the device. That's over 5 years even if you use your phone every ten minutes, for 16 hours, every single day.
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Real life use is way different from factory testing in controlled environments. These numbers are just like the fuel efficiency that the car makers claim.
blackhawk said:
just like the Samsung VP's claim that most customers hold the Note in their right hand to justify putting the spen on the wrong side.
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That is a very absurd argument. Most users are right handed, so would find it naturally more convenient if the S-Pen was housed on the right side of the device, because they would use the right hand to operate the pen.
I use my left hand more than the right hand when it comes to using the phone (I'm a right hander). Even for me, the S-Pen on the right side would be easily more convenient.
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For me, it's simple: Sometimes it goes bad when you want to play with the new shiny; I like new shiny and it usually it works out so I'll take my chances.
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I too like new and shiny, and willing to take some chances. But then it really has to be the best or superior product. The price should justify my spending it, and not why the company benefits from it.
Actually there are not only MANY rumors pointing to this becoming Googs flagship device; there is also talk of dropping the A model effective next year because of that. We'll see how it all plays out.
As to why I explained the pricing from the company's perspective... The question was asked why they were charging what they were charging. Whether you or I or anyone else should pay it is another question altogether.
The rest of that is largely subjective. I have had several Samsung folders, I do not see that as better than the software shown so far on the Pixel but the jury is still out, I have to use it before I can make a call. So do you for that matter.
Agree about the benefits of being in the 4th and soon 5th iteration. But then I had the Z fold when it was in its first generation too; heard the same arguments made then about it being a high school garage project which no sane person should buy. Except of course a lot of us enjoyed the crap out of that thing, shop project and all, and were never going back to a rectangle again.
True about the folding tests as compared to real life usage but then that's factual data that is repeatable, quantifiable, and has actual bearing on the subject at hand. A story about some random guy who had a problem isn't exactly a proof of anything other than there was some random guy that had a problem.
My suggestion, MrMystic: Move on; no sense in staying around here. Life is short, too short to hang on a forum for a device you don't want or like bellyaching over what you've already decided you don't want.
Personally I loved the folding action itself of the Z Folds, hate the rest of the phone. I didn't use the cover screen for anything but reading notifications and IMO they're all fatally flawed from the start due to the form factor alone. I moved on to the X Fold for that reason and despite its' wonky software liked it better. The PIxel Fold is going to finally bring the form factor folding phones have needed all along and I'll take it every day of the week over Samsung. If Google had not released this phone I would have bought another folder again, I'm completely sold on them, but it would not be Samsung.
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Hi, I am the proud owner of the Z mobile also the z tablet. I do ponder though if even I as a complete technophile would find use for the Ultra?
I used to own the Samsung galaxy S111 also the Note. I was very pleased with the S3 but soon sold the Note as every time I sat in the car the phone would dig into my groin! Its most appealing strength was its large size yet the large size was also its most challenging aspect to live with.
I am used to just picking up my mobile and putting it in my pocket and living an average sort of life. To that end I just cant see how I would live with the Ultra. lets face it, its truly massive and does come very close to the 7" tablet range?
Worries are. Flex. This is so thin it just has to flex and being so thin that glass on BOTH sides must be paper thin? I have not read yet of screen breakages on the Ultra but ponder how this is going to enjoy life in a pocket? All that screen real estate it does sort of ask for trouble? Buying some sort of cover would make the device even larger.
I am not worried about being seen holding this to my ear as I already have the SBH52 on order so would be able to use that as the phone device when paired with the Ultra. My main concern is where the heck to keep it while on the move and just how strong are those sheets of glass?
What are your thoughts? I want one but an hedging my bets on this so far.
Many thanks and kind regards.
If you were annoyed by a note inside your pocket, you'll be mad with zu inside your pocket.
Zu is reallythin, but no flex at all. Hard, rock solid structure.
How hard is the glass? I don't know since I haven't cracked it yet.
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Ryland Johnson said:
Hi, I am the proud owner of the Z mobile also the z tablet. I do ponder though if even I as a complete technophile would find use for the Ultra?
I used to own the Samsung galaxy S111 also the Note. I was very pleased with the S3 but soon sold the Note as every time I sat in the car the phone would dig into my groin! Its most appealing strength was its large size yet the large size was also its most challenging aspect to live with.
I am used to just picking up my mobile and putting it in my pocket and living an average sort of life. To that end I just cant see how I would live with the Ultra. lets face it, its truly massive and does come very close to the 7" tablet range?
Worries are. Flex. This is so thin it just has to flex and being so thin that glass on BOTH sides must be paper thin? I have not read yet of screen breakages on the Ultra but ponder how this is going to enjoy life in a pocket? All that screen real estate it does sort of ask for trouble? Buying some sort of cover would make the device even larger.
I am not worried about being seen holding this to my ear as I already have the SBH52 on order so would be able to use that as the phone device when paired with the Ultra. My main concern is where the heck to keep it while on the move and just how strong are those sheets of glass?
What are your thoughts? I want one but an hedging my bets on this so far.
Many thanks and kind regards.
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I will also add that my Z Ultra is rock solid. One of the most sturdy pieces of tech I have owned. Despite it being a thin, it is built like a tank it feels.
As for size, it would probably drive you mad. This is not simply a phone one puts in there pocket and lives an average life with
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The body of the phone has an aluminum frame. So, those thin sheets of glass are mounted on a metal skeleton. Don't worry about flexing.
I feel compelled to point out that though the sides are aluminum, the skeleton itself (which is invisible from outside, of course) is glass-fiber polyamide, which is basically a reinforced nylon, and it is very strong. It's even used in cars to replace parts previously made of metal. Very impressive engineering in the 2013 Xperias, if you ask me.
I've noticed a bit of flex.. I wouldn't sit on it with it in my back pocket..
Many thanks to all those who kindly replied. If I may ask though? How do you carry the Ultra around with you? Common sense says back pockets are out due to sitting on it or even worse, being stolen. Front pockets would need to be very large indeed.
I ALWAYS use a screen protector and purchase a case for my mobile devices. The case is going to add even more size to the Ultra. My SXZ just goes with me in my front pockets without any concerns at all. I do understand this is not the same size phone though.:fingers-crossed:
I am puzzled. I want the Ultra, I don't want the new Note 3, not because the Note 3 is a poor device its just the looks, aesthetics again. Samsung, to me, look and feel cheap even though they are brilliant devices. The new Sony range look and feel like a device at this price should.
I am also very concerned that being this thin the strength in the Ultra, will in no small part, come from the glass itself regardless of the sandwich interior materials?
BTW Aluminium at that grade and thickness is used on the Ultra to make it look premium, as another poster mentioned the body is made from a hybrid mixture of carbonates. Again though with the tiny dimensions we are debating here even that fact may not be sufficient to ensure overall strength? I really don't know and its could be a very expensive learning curve
Its a dilemma for me?
Again, many thanks.
Well, if you REALLY want the Ultra, but you also want extremely good battery life, then look no further. I present to you - a 15000 mAh external battery
It's actually not that stupid. You told us that you need battery when you're out flying and stuff, but you're seated when you fly, so why not just plug this beast of a thing into the Ultra when the battery drops? And when you're done with it, put in back in your bag It's only $50 on Amazon (original price is $140)
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Ryland Johnson said:
Many thanks to all those who kindly replied. If I may ask though? How do you carry the Ultra around with you? Common sense says back pockets are out due to sitting on it or even worse, being stolen. Front pockets would need to be very large indeed.
I ALWAYS use a screen protector and purchase a case for my mobile devices. The case is going to add even more size to the Ultra. My SXZ just goes with me in my front pockets without any concerns at all. I do understand this is not the same size phone though.:fingers-crossed:
I am puzzled. I want the Ultra, I don't want the new Note 3, not because the Note 3 is a poor device its just the looks, aesthetics again. Samsung, to me, look and feel cheap even though they are brilliant devices. The new Sony range look and feel like a device at this price should.
I am also very concerned that being this thin the strength in the Ultra, will in no small part, come from the glass itself regardless of the sandwich interior materials?
BTW Aluminium at that grade and thickness is used on the Ultra to make it look premium, as another poster mentioned the body is made from a hybrid mixture of carbonates. Again though with the tiny dimensions we are debating here even that fact may not be sufficient to ensure overall strength? I really don't know and its could be a very expensive learning curve
Its a dilemma for me?
Again, many thanks.
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Last time I put my phone in back pocket was ages ago. An old siemens, monochrome, shockproof. So I sat on it and duh the lcd broke. Do remember that lcd panels back in those days has a large gap with the outer screen. So don't put your phone in back pocket, no matter how thick they are.
Back on track, I carry my zu in my front pocket with a flip case. Fits because it's thin, but the length of the phone needs deep pocket indeed.
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Hi,
Spent hours and hours researching the Ultra and the Note 3. Though I truly love the design of the Z range Not even I can find an excuse for purchasing what is in effect a tablet with a phone? I like my Z phone and the Z 10.1 tablet. for me though the Ultra is just that tad OTT regarding size for an every day user friendly mobile phone.
I am rather shocked and surprised to write that I have the Samsung galaxy Note 3 on order complete in a package with that awful gear watch. I write awful gear watch BUT I have not even set eyes on one yet. From what I have seen of it on Youtube it looks bloomin awful and may well end up gathering dust in a draw? Package deal though and a very good price.
Reasons I went with the Note 3 and not the ultra. Size, The specification of the Note does appear to leave the Ultra wanting in fact the only two positives I managed to write on the numerous lists I wrote where the Ultra has a bigger screen and is water and dust resistant. IN all other areas the Note, on paper, leaves the Ultra behind. I am shocked by this but compare both specifications side by side and the Ultra is basically a tablet spec with a phone.
Just like to thank you again for your input and say I am still very proud to own the Sony Xperia Z tablet and have found my time with the Xperia Z phone a great experience. Cant really believe I am returning the Samsung path, I hatted all that plastic. At least with the Note there are going to be a myriad of changeable back plates and some of them made by third party brands will be in metal.
I think the thing that made the choice was the phone. The Ultra doesn't even come with a flash and the picture capabilities are very poor according to reports. The Note comes with Android 4.3 out of the box, has 3GB RAM and 32GB memory not to mention the pen functions, and myriad of other built in technology such as Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature, humidity, gesture, even a larger battery! Add to that the Note has 4k video and an IR port.......The Ultra does appear rather dull? I would still have bought the Ultra though had it not been so near a 7" tablet. Pleased I shall be using a new device but sad its not a Sony.
Kindest regards.
While I do hope you enjoy your Note 3 and hope you don't experience buyer's remorse, I have to disagree about the Note 3's spec advantage re: the Z Ultra. The only advantages it has are an additional GB of RAM and and extra 16 GB storage. I do concede that these are advantages, and have no interest in trying to spin the facts to argue against you, but let's be honest: 2 GB of RAM is PLENTY for Android at this point in time. I run a custom ROM on my Nexus 4 that shows the RAM bar in the recent apps screen and I routinely have 15+ apps open at once, usually with 200 MB or more of RAM left. So, an extra gigabyte of RAM is better, but when you still have headroom with 2 GB of RAM, it's not a difference you're going to feel. Like, at all. So this is an advantage in terms of future-proofing but will not result in any better performance at this point in time.
The extra 16 GB of storage is nice as well, but in my opinion, this would not have been a decisive advantage even a year or two ago, let alone now that cloud storage has evolved so much. I am not one of these people who advocates storing everything in the cloud (at least not yet), and do appreciate lots of local storage, but since the Xperia ZU has 16 + 64 GB, the question of storage is one of second or third-tier importance. I guess if I were an economist, I would say that the Note 3 does have an advantage in terms of RAM and storage, but given the amount of RAM and storage the ZU already has, the marginal utility of more is very low. It's just not really going to result in a significantly better experience. The Z Ultra, however, has very tangible advantages over the Note 3, including a much larger display, total waterproofing up to 1.5 meters + dust resistance, thinner, and it's much better-looking and probably better-built.
This is all my opinion, of course, and YMMV. But subjectively, today was my first day out in the real world with the Z Ultra (I took it with me to university) and OH MAN, it was awesome. It slides right in my pocket, no problem, and once I lit up that huge, beautiful display (between classes, of course!), I just smiled and knew that I'd made the right choice buying this phone.
Ryland Johnson said:
Hi,
Spent hours and hours researching the Ultra and the Note 3. Though I truly love the design of the Z range Not even I can find an excuse for purchasing what is in effect a tablet with a phone? I like my Z phone and the Z 10.1 tablet. for me though the Ultra is just that tad OTT regarding size for an every day user friendly mobile phone.
I am rather shocked and surprised to write that I have the Samsung galaxy Note 3 on order complete in a package with that awful gear watch. I write awful gear watch BUT I have not even set eyes on one yet. From what I have seen of it on Youtube it looks bloomin awful and may well end up gathering dust in a draw? Package deal though and a very good price.
Reasons I went with the Note 3 and not the ultra. Size, The specification of the Note does appear to leave the Ultra wanting in fact the only two positives I managed to write on the numerous lists I wrote where the Ultra has a bigger screen and is water and dust resistant. IN all other areas the Note, on paper, leaves the Ultra behind. I am shocked by this but compare both specifications side by side and the Ultra is basically a tablet spec with a phone.
Just like to thank you again for your input and say I am still very proud to own the Sony Xperia Z tablet and have found my time with the Xperia Z phone a great experience. Cant really believe I am returning the Samsung path, I hatted all that plastic. At least with the Note there are going to be a myriad of changeable back plates and some of them made by third party brands will be in metal.
I think the thing that made the choice was the phone. The Ultra doesn't even come with a flash and the picture capabilities are very poor according to reports. The Note comes with Android 4.3 out of the box, has 3GB RAM and 32GB memory not to mention the pen functions, and myriad of other built in technology such as Accelerometer, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, temperature, humidity, gesture, even a larger battery! Add to that the Note has 4k video and an IR port.......The Ultra does appear rather dull? I would still have bought the Ultra though had it not been so near a 7" tablet. Pleased I shall be using a new device but sad its not a Sony.
Kindest regards.
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Welcome to Samsung's world...
I am a current Samsung Galaxy Note 1 owner and I'm happy to say that it has served me well.. I was happy with it.. I would agree to you that Note3 is better on paper.. specswise... a dash of flash here...a sprinkle of RAM there.. a spoon of 32gb memory there.. and add 4k recording on top..
To be honest, I was disappointed with Samsung's market strategy.. I bought the Note not just for practicality and purpose but also for bragging rights.. "big screen! muwaha!" And then a few months later, they released the Mega.. then the S4... With even bigger screens..
I'm like "wtf Samsung? I thought the Note was your phablet line??" And then the Note became just some other big phone and not Samsung's star of the show.. At least with Sony, they released another star of the show without stepping over the ZU.. take note of the Z1.. We have the Z1 but it specialized on another field (photography). They did not release *and hopefully WILL NOT release* another phablet which is not from the Ultra family and would end up stepping over the ZU..
Simply with this, I am moving to Sony.. For sure by Q1 of 2014, you guys will see a Samsung Mega 2, Galaxy S5 etc... etc.. which will leave the Note in the backstage yet again...
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Ryland Johnson said:
Hi, I am the proud owner of the Z mobile also the z tablet. I do ponder though if even I as a complete technophile would find use for the Ultra?
I used to own the Samsung galaxy S111 also the Note. I was very pleased with the S3 but soon sold the Note as every time I sat in the car the phone would dig into my groin! Its most appealing strength was its large size yet the large size was also its most challenging aspect to live with.
I am used to just picking up my mobile and putting it in my pocket and living an average sort of life. To that end I just cant see how I would live with the Ultra. lets face it, its truly massive and does come very close to the 7" tablet range?
Worries are. Flex. This is so thin it just has to flex and being so thin that glass on BOTH sides must be paper thin? I have not read yet of screen breakages on the Ultra but ponder how this is going to enjoy life in a pocket? All that screen real estate it does sort of ask for trouble? Buying some sort of cover would make the device even larger.
I am not worried about being seen holding this to my ear as I already have the SBH52 on order so would be able to use that as the phone device when paired with the Ultra. My main concern is where the heck to keep it while on the move and just how strong are those sheets of glass?
What are your thoughts? I want one but an hedging my bets on this so far.
Many thanks and kind regards.
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Hi Mr Ryland..This is DR Sudeep here..i did find some of our tastes being in common and thought of sharing some of them ..i m a proud owner of the z ,z tablet as you do and the new awesome z ultra..infact i really enjoyed some of your comments and debate with one of those reviewers of the website i dont remember about the xperia z and think exactly the way and hold opinions exactly the way you do..funny many things in common..infact before i bought the z ultra i exactly had the same things and queries in mind as you do now and now being the proud owner of z ultra ..thought of sharing some things..as your reservations stand here u are spot on in many of ur fears i guess if u wanna leap to ultra as i did feel the same way when i first laid my hands on this awesome device..its huge for sure ..make no mistake about that..but its own of those devices u really forgive even being such huge coz the design is so freakingly awesome the device is so thin yet feels so sturdy and strong with that alluminium framed finish ..not once did i feel that i was holding a glass sandwiched phone coz it feels so strong in hand no creaking noise what so ever ..its huge yet its pocketable..and did i mention the awesome water resistance..its in a league of very few masterpieces in the world that try to balance opposite things and yet do it with a plomb and authority..what i mean is ..its huge but pocketable and pleasant to hold in hand the screen which is out of this world can be the reason alone to buy this jewel and carry this burden in pocket infact i no more feel it a burden in pocket ..i sttarted enjoying the glares and the attention i was getting in public places,,,touch response is frealkingly silky smooth ..i have never seen a faster device in my life than this..i thot z was fierce fast bfre i got this in hand and boy it flies it literally flies yet to notice a single hang or stutter..i will end up by saying this...all your reservations are true ...but it is one of those few devices out there which you will be joyful and proud of and will be willing to compromise for all the great things it does and its a guarantee,,,hope ieven though i sounded a little fan boy i was helpful to you and i can afford doing that holding this awesome device,,..regards..please come up with any queries or opinions of yours as i would be glad if im being helpful to you in anyway..thanks..cheers mate
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Hi Mr Ryland..This is DR Sudeep here..i did find some of our tastes being in common and thought of sharing some of them ..i m a proud owner of the z ,z tablet as you do and the new awesome z ultra..infact i really enjoyed some of your comments and debate with one of those reviewers of the website i dont remember about the xperia z and think exactly the way and hold opinions exactly the way you do..funny many things in common..infact before i bought the z ultra i exactly had the same things and queries in mind as you do now and now being the proud owner of z ultra ..thought of sharing some things..as your reservations stand here u are spot on in many of ur fears i guess if u wanna leap to ultra as i did feel the same way when i first laid my hands on this awesome device..its huge for sure ..make no mistake about that..but its own of those devices u really forgive even being such huge coz the design is so freakingly awesome the device is so thin yet feels so sturdy and strong with that alluminium framed finish ..not once did i feel that i was holding a glass sandwiched phone coz it feels so strong in hand no creaking noise what so ever ..its huge yet its pocketable..and did i mention the awesome water resistance..its in a league of very few masterpieces in the world that try to balance opposite things and yet do it with a plomb and authority..what i mean is ..its huge but pocketable and pleasant to hold in hand the screen which is out of this world can be the reason alone to buy this jewel and carry this burden in pocket infact i no more feel it a burden in pocket ..i sttarted enjoying the glares and the attention i was getting in public places,,,touch response is frealkingly silky smooth ..i have never seen a faster device in my life than this..i thot z was fierce fast bfre i got this in hand and boy it flies it literally flies yet to notice a single hang or stutter..i will end up by saying this...all your reservations are true ...but it is one of those few devices out there which you will be joyful and proud of and will be willing to compromise for all the great things it does and its a guarantee,,,hope ieven though i sounded a little fan boy i was helpful to you and i can afford doing that holding this awesome device,,..regards..please come up with any queries or opinions of yours as i would be glad if im being helpful to you in anyway..thanks..cheers mate
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Hi Mr Sudeep, Thanks for the reply.
Yes I have been banned from "Trusted reviews" as I clearly upset the editor who was and still is anti Sony. I have zero idea how that sight can be called 'Trusted reviews', they are any thing but 'trusted'. The best the editor could do when I defended the Xperia Z against his puerile (and technically incorrect) attacks on the device was to accuse me of "Working for Sony". Odd that I do no such thing and came from owning HTC and Samsung and am again going to purchase Samsung with the note 3 rather than the Sony Xperia Z Ultra. If I had not been banned by him I would delight in informing him that its rather odd for a supposed Sony employer to purchase Samsung! A 'professional reviewer' must be objective and let the customer decide. The editor of Trusted reviews is anything but professional and certainly not objective thus cannot be trusted.
Regarding brands. I purchase what fits my needs and uses at the time of purchase. I have owned Apple, HTC, Nokia, Samsung, Sony, Siemens, Motorola, Ericson, Philips and my first mobile going back to 1988 was an NEC the size of a house brick with a full size hand set and separate battery pack. If I had to carry a fan boy label it would have been for Nokia until they went Windows! They are still, in my opinion, the best maker of MOBILE PHONES. The signal strength they pull has been second to non
I have every confidence the Ultra is a superb piece of kit. To be honest if they keep dropping in price I may well buy one of those to. At present though and being a technophile I want to try the Note 3 with the Gear watch. Again at present I find the spec sheet of the Note more in line with what I want. One of my big concerns regarding mobiles that one cannot replace the battery oneself is what exactly do we do when the battery goes bump with our Xperia Z mobiles? I do not know the cost of a replacement battery via Sony but it is not going to be the same as the purchase price of a battery bought for a phone with a customer removable battery at about 15-20.00€
I understand to enjoy the freedom of the Sony range with regard to water resistance the body has to be sealed and accept that, non the less there will come a day when a heavy bill will come to replace that battery.
THE big problem for me is the size of the Ultra. its screen size is both its strongest point also its weakest. It is so near a tablet it is not really as portable as a lesser size 'mobile' phone. I love the design of the Sony range plus that quality feel...Samsung...well there Samsung and though produce some brilliant kit they have never felt a premium brand and cannot until they stop with the plastics. I mean the Note 3 with that awful attempt to make the back look like leather, even plastic false stitching, dear Lord where on earth did they come up with that and why?
I will say this, if the Note 3 didn't come with the massive selection of replacement covers made by Samsung and other brands, I would not have bought the Note 3. Don't set me of about the Note 3's plastic 'metal' sides. who do they think they are kidding?
I have gone with the Note though as regardless of what the previous poster has kindly written the spec sheet is far superior than the Ultra.
I cant say they are apples and oranges more like peaches and pears:laugh:
I do know one thing, providing you can find a way to carry the Ultra around with you it will be a magic piece of kit to own. Superbly made and designed. Its flaws though such as the camera and lack of flash etc just make it more like a very decent tablet. I want one!:crying:
Kind regards.
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Welcome to Samsung's world...
I am a current Samsung Galaxy Note 1 owner and I'm happy to say that it has served me well.. I was happy with it.. I would agree to you that Note3 is better on paper.. specswise... a dash of flash here...a sprinkle of RAM there.. a spoon of 32gb memory there.. and add 4k recording on top..
To be honest, I was disappointed with Samsung's market strategy.. I bought the Note not just for practicality and purpose but also for bragging rights.. "big screen! muwaha!" And then a few months later, they released the Mega.. then the S4... With even bigger screens..
I'm like "wtf Samsung? I thought the Note was your phablet line??" And then the Note became just some other big phone and not Samsung's star of the show.. At least with Sony, they released another star of the show without stepping over the ZU.. take note of the Z1.. We have the Z1 but it specialized on another field (photography). They did not release *and hopefully WILL NOT release* another phablet which is not from the Ultra family and would end up stepping over the ZU..
Simply with this, I am moving to Sony.. For sure by Q1 of 2014, you guys will see a Samsung Mega 2, Galaxy S5 etc... etc.. which will leave the Note in the backstage yet again...
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Hi, thanks for the reply, I appreciate your thoughts and time.
If you log into GSMArena.com you can view side by side both the Ultra and the Note3 and the specs are more than a tad different. I must make it clear I am a great fan of these Xperia devices, I own two of them already and enjoy them both with zero regrets.
I must confess I am a little confused by your comment "To be honest, I was disappointed with Samsung's market strategy.. I bought the Note not just for practicality and purpose but also for bragging rights.. "big screen! muwaha!" And then a few months later, they released the Mega.. then the S4... With even bigger screens.. " To the best of my knowledge I purchased my Note 1 in 2011. The Galaxy S4 only came out this year same as the Mega? If I understand you correctly I don't think Samsung can be accused of introducing new models soon after their latest effort.
NOW, if I HAD to pick a fight it could be with Sony...Only bought my Z in April at launch yet less than six months latter the Zi is taking the crown with reviewers already saying the new Z1 is what the 'old' Z should have been
I support progress and am pleased this field of technology keeps pushing the boundaries. The one major criticism I have is that battery technology is lagging way behind to the point that tis new tech we are seeing today is more or less academic in many ways as the devices don't have the battery power to run said device for longer than a few hours in some cases.
I agree with you that a new Samsung Note 4 will soon appear but then so will the stunning new Ultra 2 with flash and 32-64Gb plus 4Gb RAM, maybe even a larger screen and thinner body etc. Its called progress and all brands thankfully work this way.
Regards.
Oh sorry forgot to say that I did not buy the Note the time it went out.. I bought the note last June 2012 wherein the Note 2 was due to be released..
I dont feel bad that the Note 2 went out a few months after I bought the Note 1. I just feel bad that they released an entirely different line of phablet which is the Galaxy Mega.. So what's the specialty of the Note now? Just the stylus? Not the big screen anymore? Samsung shouldve stuck with the idea wherein the Note is their only phablet product...
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I may have missed something, but I'm not sure the Mega series is going to be a continuing line of devices going forward. I think Samsung just uses their manufacturing advantages to spit out devices in every conceivable size and shape to see what people like and what they don't. Not many manufacturers have the capital to do this, but if you do, it's probably not a bad strategy.
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I may have missed something, but I'm not sure the Mega series is going to be a continuing line of devices going forward. I think Samsung just uses their manufacturing advantages to spit out devices in every conceivable size and shape to see what people like and what they don't. Not many manufacturers have the capital to do this, but if you do, it's probably not a bad strategy.
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I think the thing we technophiles need to accept and understand is exactly what you wrote. Not all customers are looking at the top of the market with the latest and newest devices. To that end the Mega, to me, is very odd BUT it is selling well to those who desire a large device without the latest technology.
Part of the deciding factors for me with the Ultra was its poor camera, zero flash, identity crisis, lol and for a device this size it should have had a much larger battery and 3Gb RAM not 2GB. I do love the Ultra, its massive and stylish with real character and quality but I cant justify purchasing the Ultra on looks alone. When we explore what this new Note 3 does it really is a technophiles dream on steroids! The other clincher for me was the awful looking, probably useless gear watch that is coming with my Note 3 for only 120.00€ Now that deal was just to good to pass.
If the Ultra continues to drop in price I may well in future months go completely bonkers and treat myself, pennies permitting. I am still happy with my Xperia Z phone and absolutely love the Xperia 10.1 tablet, that is the king of tablets at present for me, its choice and subjective of course.
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Now hold on just a minute, lol. I don't agree with the notion that the ZU has a bad camera. I think one thing we techies are often guilty of, since we keep up with all the bleeding-edge developments in the industry, is assuming that a particular piece of technology or feature is more widespread and standard than it really is. The ZU 's camera, in my opinion, is fairly decent. Since smartphone cameras are the latest big hole everyone is rushing to plug, we assume that if it isn't 120 megapixels with oversampling, or using some kind of unique sensor technology, or some such thing, that it must "suck," but in reality it's a fairly good sensor when placed in proper context. I like to think of it as an "honest" smartphone camera, one that knows it is a smartphone camera and is happy with its role. Such cameras are meant for convenience, and not high-end imaging. Even Apple is "only" using 8 megapixels on their flagship.
As for RAM, no offense, but you're being totally unrealistic and unfair by saying that the ZU "should have" had 3 GB of RAM. Why? You can barely fill 2 right now. The Note 3 is the ONLY phone with 3 GB of RAM. If Samsung had released it with 2 GB, you wouldn't have written that part of your post. Saying that a device "should have" had more RAM than anything else on the market to be usable is just unfair. It's exactly like saying the Note 3 should have had a 64 bit CPU because the new iPhone has one. As I've already pointed out, that 3 GB will not improve your experience AT ALL. Plus, the battery is actually pretty good. In my opinion, the NOTE 3's screen is just too small, and Samsung's AMOLED displays are not up to the quality of Sony's Triluminos panels, but it wouldn't be fair for me to insinuate that the NOTE 3 is less advanced, even though it really does fall short from a certain point of view.
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Now hold on just a minute, lol. I don't agree with the notion that the ZU has a bad camera. I think one thing we techies are often guilty of, since we keep up with all the bleeding-edge developments in the industry, is assuming that a particular piece of technology or feature is more widespread and standard than it really is. The ZU 's camera, in my opinion, is fairly decent. Since smartphone cameras are the latest big hole everyone is rushing to plug, we assume that if it isn't 120 megapixels with oversampling, or using some kind of unique sensor technology, or some such thing, that it must "suck," but in reality it's a fairly good sensor when placed in proper context. I like to think of it as an "honest" smartphone camera, one that knows it is a smartphone camera and is happy with its role. Such cameras are meant for convenience, and not high-end imaging. Even Apple is "only" using 8 megapixels on their flagship.
As for RAM, no offense, but you're being totally unrealistic and unfair by saying that the ZU "should have" had 3 GB of RAM. Why? You can barely fill 2 right now. The Note 3 is the ONLY phone with 3 GB of RAM. If Samsung had released it with 2 GB, you wouldn't have written that part of your post. Saying that a device "should have" had more RAM than anything else on the market to be usable is just unfair. It's exactly like saying the Note 3 should have had a 64 bit CPU because the new iPhone has one. As I've already pointed out, that 3 GB will not improve your experience AT ALL. Plus, the battery is actually pretty good. In my opinion, the NOTE 3's screen is just too small, and Samsung's AMOLED displays are not up to the quality of Sony's Triluminos panels, but it wouldn't be fair for me to insinuate that the NOTE 3 is less advanced, even though it really does fall short from a certain point of view.
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Hi, thanks for the reply. from the benchmark tests I have seen so far that 3Gb of RAM does add to the performance. The extra RAM is also needed, so I am told, to ensure the new Pen system works at optimum level? I am writing in the dark here as I have not yet received the Note 3.
ALL of what I write is second hand information taken from the web etc.
With regard to the camera. Can you explain why on earth Sony did not use a flash?
I changed from Samsung to Sony because of the screen and to be honest I like the screen on My Sony Xperia Z. I had the Samsung galaxy S3 and the screen on that distorted the colours. I do agree with several reports that the Z screen does look at tad washed out so we have the two extremes. Sony has soon rectified that with the introduction of the Z1.
I don't want to keep listing the advantages of the Note 3 over the Ultra as I truly love the Ultra. Did you know the Note 3 is the first mobile phone to make use of USB 3? Its incredible what Samsung have placed in the note 3.
Size. I have said it before and will say it again, this is choice. You say the note 3 screen is too small and I say the Ultra screen is too large. Thank heavens we have the choice.
I am now going to give you a real laugh. Way back in 2011 I was one of the first people in this country to own the Note 1. I sold it very quickly as it was just too big to be travel friendly. Here I am now 3 years later with the Note 3 on order? I have now come to accept large screen mobiles and no doubt in a few years there may be many mobiles the size of the Ultra? At 5.7" I don't think we can refer to the Note 3 as a small screen?
Lets see how sales go on both devices.
Oh, another point that's a shame is the value of my Sony Z just after 6 months of ownership. I cant give it away. Samsung appear to do better in the used market despite them being so common. I think a Sony body with Samsung technology would be a winner. We could call it a Sonsung!:laugh:
I hope I don't regret purchasing the Note 3. On paper it even makes your morning coffee. If only Samsung could be banned from using plastics! That 'plastic leather' back is hideous and will have to go!
Thanks for the reply,
Kind regards.
Gonna admit I'm some what of a Samsung fanboy have only owned Samsung android phones except a nexus 7 tablet as it's the only android phone I find appealing with the hardware and software features and more so I love the note phones because of the S-pen. Note 7 is such a great device and still one of the best android phones to date and obviously better than iphone 7 though any android phone is but it's a shame that it's reputation has been somewhat ruined by the exploding issue and I'm getting frustrated with the stupidity I see from people commenting on the matter.
First of people say that Samsung should have done better quality testing instead of rushing to get the phone out before the competition yet the batteries were supplied by a 3rd party and surely therefore the 3rd party supplier should have safety checked the batteries and issued Samsung a certificate? If say BMW sells a car to a dealer and you buy the car from the dealer, have a crash but the air bags don't deploy are people going to blame the dealer for not safety checking the car? No, because BMW should have safety checked the car, issued a certificate proving it's been tested therefore there is no reason for the dealer to further safety check the car same with Samsung has no reason to further safety check the batteries. Not to mention no one has said that with like apple and the bend gate thing no one has made a big deal about apple not quality checking it and while it's not a safety concern as such, if the battery gets bent too it can explode and therefore is somewhat of a safety concern and some iphones have exploded because of this.
Then there's the people who reckon this whole thing will help apple out. No it won't I for one still want the note 7 back when it gets sorted but If I was to ditch the note 7 I wouldn't go to apple I'll get another android phone. I know I'm having a hissy fit over peoples comments on various videos and articles but it is seriously annoying when people take things out of proportion and don't think logically about stuff. Sure it's stupid that this has happened but for one it's a small amount of devices affected and secondly I applaud Samsung for dealing with the situation as best as possible but they shouldn't take the wrap for it if it was a battery from a 3rd party supplier, if the charging brick was a problem (assuming Samsung makes there own charging bricks) then fair enough Samsung is at fault they should have done better quality checks.
Agree. The supplier whether a component of Samsung direct or indirect should be responsible for qc but ultimately the damage is done to Samsung brand and they have outright responsibility to ensure samples are inspected.
I will wait for the note 7 to be exchanged as it's an awesome device.
I think people are being impatient. A recall of this size takes time to find the fault, find the supplier at fault, put steps in place to fix the issue, recall a shed load of devices from across the globe, make more more quickly than they have to date whilst ensuring quality isn't compromised by all their suppliers, whilst getting distribution and exchange processes in place. This is huge. People should not underestimate how big, complex and time consuming this will take.
My device was made 4 weeks before launch. Id expect at least that delay folks! If it comes sooner and Samsung manage to get a perfect replacement to me I will be impressed and grateful that Samsung didn't do an apple and blame it on the user!
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I too can't wait for the note 7 loved the 3 days I had with it lol shame this exploding this has somewhat ruined it's reputation just hope Samsung fix the issue and it'll be the last of exploding note 7's lol else if they continue to explode it will be an issue. And yep will take quite a while for replacements to be made just hope they figure out what supplier supplied the faulty batteries and that they're made to pay for the expenses not fair that Samsung should pay for it all especially if it's not really there fault nor should they take the blame they've done the best they can in sorting the problem and ensuring there customers are safe by recalling all note 7's and not taking any chances.
Well now... I'm also a Note user (Note 4) and Nexus 7 tablet... because so far there is nothing on the market to beat this combo... 2 years later....Note 7 is not available yet.
Now onto the subject.... people will buy iPhones even though they are outdated, poorly designed, expensive, unreliable and overall bad... because it's an image issue for most... they're being vain... they need to match their status (whatever that would be). If Apple sells tomorrow an iPhone with no phone function (because.. well... its 100 years old technology... right??) people will still buy... people are stupid and vain. Because majority of people are stupid it's easier to boast buy spending than to boast with tech knowledge... so it doesn't matter what Samsung will sell, it will be always outselled by Apple. Worse thing is Samsung will copy all idiotic future.. as they will see its a well know recipe (like unibody... taking away the possibility of removing battery... one of the worst ever move from Androdi phones manufacturers). People did make a fuss about antenagate, batterygate, bendgate, chipgate, touch disease, camera issue (lately)... there are thousands of security vulnerabilities on ios... people know... but who cares... they mostly buy iphone so they prefer to stick their heads into the ground... you dont expect them to admit they were stupid... and than people forget. Samsung will not be so lucky... I just hope this will not break the company for good... this is going to be bad. And the worse thing for us... ia that there is no real alternative for us. On a scale of 1 to 10...we have iphone on 2, tens of Android phones manufacturers on 6...and Samsung on 9 (users through rooting make it a 10). In one word.. we're f'd
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Totally agree with people being stupid it is just all a image with iphone users plus most celebs use iphones so must be good right? I would laugh if iphone 7 turns out to have a defect in it especially exploding batteries would love to see isheep defend it after saying stuff about note 7's yet people will still buy the iphone non the less and wonder if apple would deal with such a situation as Samsung has done. I have only owned Samsung android phones since switching from iphone 4s first I had S4 then note 4 and now note 7 though currently got S7 edge as a temporary replacement phone but I won't even go back to an S range galaxy phone because I love the S-pen it's not something I use all the time but the odd times you need to jot something down or just want to doodle because you're bored it's great to have at hand even better if you like taking notes a lot or if you have to take notes for work etc.
I too hope this doesn't hurt Samsung they make good phones as for the lack of removable battery this is another thing I get annoyed with, people for years complained about Samsung's plastic build quality and now they make good quality phones people don't like that the battery isn't removable. Isn't many ways that manufactures can implement a removable battery with premium materials as well as be IP68 water resistant but it's annoying for us who like the removable battery and I personally didn't mind the plastic build quality especially the note 4 as the frame is metal it still feels premium despite having a plastic back and also the people who wanted premium materials put plastic cases on there phones anyway so whats the point?
Iphone flopped.. alot... 7 will have a "gate" on its own... I'm sure on that... but people will still buy. Second, People didn't complain about poor quality of plastic... that's where most are wrong...you know complained... lets count them: all media (wtf.. they don't buy Samsung), all iphone sheeps (because it was a reason, on their sheepy brains, to laugh) and finally people not realizing what hight Samsung tech means and an awesome system Android is... those are people who owned both Samsung and Iphones... and today they still don't realize how many years ahead is Samsung. On the other hand, the vast majority of (true) Android owners (not necessarily Samsung... but mostly) they would rather have a removable battery in an instant with a plastic back.. than an all cra.py aluminum or glass that scratches or breaks or shatters. There may be still another category... hard core... but with the desire that their phone would look cooler so they wouldn't feel outshined by IPhone owners.... to them I'm saying this "Guys, you have the best tech on the world, your phone looks and is 10x better than iPhone... f.ck the plastic back.. we all put covers or something on it anyways.. nobody will see it"
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that's about the amount of phones that would suffer a catastrophic failure within 1 month of testing/use.
to get any reliable results they'd have to spend at least 1 month, testing 100.000 final version phones in real world conditions.
yes it would've been nice if they'd have found the issue before release, but the failure is such a rare occurrence that they simply couldn't have properly tested for it.
Samsung recalled 2.5 Million units. Currently, there has been a total of 35 units that have exploded. That means that you have a 99.99860000000001% chance of your handset exploding or catching fire while charging. As not all devices will be faulty. Of course, the more units that explode increase that percentage, however as it stands, thats not too shabby.
Op, the supplier at fault is Samsung SDI. However there have been rumors here in Korea that Samsung was sort of pushing Samsung SDI into a corner by demanding that the cost of batteries become cheaper, therefore corners had to be cut.
Again this is just rumors amongst the locals here.
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Then there's the people who reckon this whole thing will help apple out. No it won't I for one still want the note 7 back when it gets sorted but If I was to ditch the note 7 I wouldn't go to apple I'll get another android phone. I know I'm having a hissy fit over peoples comments on various videos and articles but it is seriously annoying when people take things out of proportion and don't think logically about stuff. Sure it's stupid that this has happened but for one it's a small amount of devices affected and secondly I applaud Samsung for dealing with the situation as best as possible but they shouldn't take the wrap for it if it was a battery from a 3rd party supplier, if the charging brick was a problem (assuming Samsung makes there own charging bricks) then fair enough Samsung is at fault they should have done better quality checks.
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It does help Apple unfortunately. Diehard android fans will not go over, but there are many more who can accept both systems and you can see a lot of them replacing their Note with iPhone 7 in various forums.
Worse are those who had jumped over from iPhone to Note 7 for the first time. It shattered their confidence for Android devices and will make them an even more loyal fan to Apple next time.
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Op, the supplier at fault is Samsung SDI. However there have been rumors here in Korea that Samsung was sort of pushing Samsung SDI into a corner by demanding that the cost of batteries become cheaper, therefore corners had to be cut.
Again this is just rumors amongst the locals here.
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Exactly. People worshipping the corporate name, the company, the brand.
I for one love my Note's, but because they're a quality device, but as for "I hope this doesn't hurt 'Samsung'", 'Apple sucks', dude! They're all multi-billion dollar corps, where at the top of the ladder they're all buddy buddy.
Just give me my phone, be a Samsung, Apple, or Huwai, I don't care for the name, I just want the device that is quality proven
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Samsung recalled 2.5 Million units. Currently, there has been a total of 35 units that have exploded. That means that you have a 99.99860000000001% chance of your handset exploding or catching fire while charging. As not all devices will be faulty. Of course, the more units that explode increase that percentage, however as it stands, thats not too shabby.
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I love samsung and all, but I'm not gonna take a chance with a device that has a 99.9986% probability of exploding. That's a good number for a grenade, pretty reliable number.
I think what you meant was - 99.99860000000001% chance of your handset NOT exploding or catching fire while charging...
Hold on. From what I understand online, Samsung had outsourced the battery manufacturing to a Chinese outfit called ATL. They've been making batteries for most of the Galaxy devices over the years.
It's only recently Samsung decided to manufacture batteries themselves. And the exploding battery cases all point to Samsung SDI batteries.
I'm not going to comment what happened behind the scenes. But it's extremely disappointing to see a Giant falls before it could make its mark.
The Note 7 was such a well made phone. Samsung did so many things right and it is the most exciting phone this year and for the first time ever, I actually pre-ordered a phone. I've never done that before.
Recalling the phone was necessary, and I'll do my part to exchange for a new unit. Samsung's priority now is really to replace all units. How they'll try to pick themselves up will have to come later.
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My concern now is this.
My Note 7 just got bricked from a boot loop issue. I brought it to Samsung and it's irrecoverable. They suggested I wait for the recall and exchange instead.
But I have my doubts whether the replaced Note 7 is brick free. This whole episode has been exhausting to say the least.
I hope that it does NOT come back in its current form. If the battery WAS made removable as suggested we would not have this conversation. This whole Apple vs Samsung vs LG vs HTC thing is a joke. We should just call the company "SHLApple". The companies work together and all the phones are looking more alike with the same none removable battery "so called" premium nonsense. If the phone had a removable battery we would have a chance. Toss the battery out and move onto the next one with phone in hand. It is time for the cellphone business to feel what the rest of the global economy has felt. I will not upgrade until all the companies awaken.
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now the thing is some still live in a cave , most consumer dont know about the recall , its come with fast charging , hmmm fast charge + heat + small batch of faulty battery + heavy usage = fire hazard
212meet561 said:
I hope that it does NOT come back in its current form. If the battery WAS made removable as suggested we would not have this conversation. This whole Apple vs Samsung vs LG vs HTC thing is a joke. We should just call the company "SHLApple". The companies work together and all the phones are looking more alike with the same none removable battery "so called" premium nonsense. If the phone had a removable battery we would have a chance. Toss the battery out and move onto the next one with phone in hand. It is time for the cellphone business to feel what the rest of the global economy has felt. I will not upgrade until all the companies awaken.
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Sigh. You're so right. If only the battery was removable, Samsung will not need to recall the whole unit. Just exchange the batteries. And the damage would've been much less devastating. I could really do without features like wireless charging and water resistance in exchange for safer battery management.
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Aimara said:
now the thing is some still live in a cave , most consumer dont know about the recall , its come with fast charging , hmmm fast charge + heat + small batch of faulty battery + heavy usage = fire hazard
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How dare you mock our fellow cavemen? Don't you know they depend on our Note 7s to start a fire? It's an invaluable tool!
212meet561 said:
I hope that it does NOT come back in its current form. If the battery WAS made removable as suggested we would not have this conversation. This whole Apple vs Samsung vs LG vs HTC thing is a joke. We should just call the company "SHLApple". The companies work together and all the phones are looking more alike with the same none removable battery "so called" premium nonsense. If the phone had a removable battery we would have a chance. Toss the battery out and move onto the next one with phone in hand. It is time for the cellphone business to feel what the rest of the global economy has felt. I will not upgrade until all the companies awaken.
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Unfortunately, people buy Apple. Even more unfortunate is most of those are idiots. Apple, due to lack of tech and will, driven by profit, wanted a non removable battery (so you'd need to exchange phone yearly); now, them being idiots, customers of Apple gladly accepted this nonsense. Samsung wants to succeed and make a profit. It tried its own way and failed (number wise). So they look at Apple and said "how the f* do they sell those crap phones? Are their customers such idiots?" The simple answer is YES. They said OK, we must do the same to survive, maybe our customers are idiots as well, and if not...scre.w them...we need a profit, they will have no choice but to buy what we sell them...because Apple's recipe works. This is the sad truth....I'm hoping that a drama like this one with the Note 7 will give them a waking call and start to think...really think
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To be fair with the non-removable battery approach, some manufacturers have reasons for adopting a non-user-serviceable battery packs. One is to prevent users from using cheap 3rd party packs which could create an put users to an even more hazardous situation. When I say "cheap", I refer to those that are produced from low-quality materials, poor quality control or even reduced protection circuit. Here's something that may help us understand more about Lithium-based batteries and the issue that surrounds the Note 7 - http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/archive/lithium_ion_safety_concerns
My cent worth of opinion on this is that, media is so quick in jumping into the issue and allow unfounded, unverified reports to spread like wildfire. For so many "exploding" Note 7 incidents spreading around, not one came with forensic report. None that I know of should I say. At least, the case of that 6 year old boy had already been clarified (according to the interview video) and yet, I can still see other media reporting and claiming that the unit is a Note 7.
From my end, I have two Note 7 that keeps me curious everyday. One is defective (boot loop issue) and the other one perfectly working like one normal Note 7. Each day that I do testings on the defective and normal unit and having some experiences on how lithium batteries are produced, I can say that the "exploding" is more on media than on the unit itself. From that link I shared, if you control these three factors which can trigger fire or explosion:
heat
rapid/excessive charge
storage environment
Then you are left with the last factor which is battery workmanship or quality. This last factor is what Samsung wants to remove from the earlier batch of Note 7. Right now, I control the first three factors in both of my Note 7. No external heat source. Fast charging disabled with maximum charge alarm set to 90%. Both units sleep on the floor every night away from possible combustible material. Every now and then I check for any sign of visible bulging/gap from the back of the unit. Do note that the mechanical stack of Note 7 from the back is glass back cover, NFC/wireless charger coil, then battery pack.
Media will exaggerate this because is non Apple. Media cannot help herself but to be biased. When they write they'd rather appeal to the majority...that means Apple fans. It's sad but that's the reality. I just watched a video with LG V20...and I'm so mad I almost broke my Note 4. Lg has removable back...metal (well...aluminum...but still)...so metal removable back with same design as unibody crap. So it can be done...Samsung has no excuse now! If only LG would use AMOLED on their phones! For the love of God..why don't they use it? I would become instant customer.
I refused to be an iSheep because of limitations and lack of features marketed as innovation. Now Samsung is going same path (no swapable battery, no IR blaster, no multitasking )...the path of Apple. Samsung has come to sell IPhones with Samsung logo...I'm so disappointed ?
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Diaconescu_Tiberiu said:
Media will exaggerate this because is non Apple. Media cannot help herself but to be biased. When they write they'd rather appeal to the majority...that means Apple fans. It's sad but that's the reality.
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I’ve been in love with electronic gadgets for years. I had the first Palm Pilot and the HTC Blue Angel, a great windows mobile phone with a keyboard. Many of you are probably too young to be familiar with these devices. Each year, and sometimes twice a year, I would get so excited to see the new devices come out sporting new tech. I would buy two new phones a year, usually from Samsung as the new Galaxy S and Note models came out. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS AS I AM TODAY. Let me explain why.
Apple is one of the most successful cell phone manufacturers. The I-Phone (the I stands for Idiot) has not been successful because of its great design or software; but because so many people were already hooked on the I-Pad and I-Tunes for their music and media. Another feature that has kept Apple high on the sales charts is I-Message. Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak. My primary disgust with current phones is that all the Android manufactures are chasing Apple and removing features that made their cell phones great.
Let’s look at some of these features.
Removable Battery.
A phone is no good if the battery is dead. HTC and Samsung started out right with a replaceable battery. The idiot Apple loving pundits in this industry have reported gleefully that the removeable battery is gone forever. I hope not. No matter how fast a cell phone charges, there’s always times when you just don’t have time to charge. There are so many times when you realize your battery is almost dead and you need to be somewhere else NOW. I’m currently using the last of the great phones with a replaceable batter – the LG V20. I am an extremely heavy cell phone user. I have four batteries (one came with the phone) and three chargers. I keep a charged battery in my pocket and two in the chargers. I never have to plug in my phone. For each of my three sets of battery and charger I paid $22. So for $66, I never run out charge.
I laugh when I see others tell me – “Wait, I cannot go yet, my phone’s dead.” The most idiotic thing is Samsung making a phone that can share a charge with others. Who the heck is going to do that? What Samsung and other manufactures should do is sell a charger and battery set direct for $29 or less. They charge $29 for their wireless chargers and you end up needing two or three so you can have one at the office and a couple at home anyways.
One of the most important things about the removeable battery is the ability to extend the life of the phone. The life of batteries decreases after a short period. It’s ridiculous and costly to have to send in your phone to have the battery replaced.
Build Quality/Cellular Connectivity
On any given day, you can find a reviewer of a cellular device touting “build quality.” Are they just stupid or Apple lovers? Samsung’s build quality was berated by reviewers because they had cheap plastic frames and plastic backs on their phones. This cheap plastic was great. The plastic back allowed easy access to the battery, SIM card, and SD card. Furthermore, plastic frames have better cellular connectivity than aluminum frames do. They are also much cheaper to make and are lighter. Most use a phone case to protect their phones anyway.
So because the industry has chased Apple, we Android users have no replaceable battery, no easy access to SIM and SD cards, heavier phones, and a much higher cost – now over $1,000. My Samsung Note 9 is so heavy that I get fatigued just holding it up in bed. The Note 2 made years ago was a masterpiece in terms of manufacture and feel. It was light and had nice curved corners. It felt great in the hand.
Screen & Screen Dimensions.
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
My next screen grip is the narrow screen. We cannot blame this trend on Apple. As I’ve aged, I need to use reading glasses. When the screens were wider (3 inches and above), I could read almost everything without my reading glasses. With my Note 9, I must use my glasses all the time. I have a LG Stylo 3 too. It has a wide screen that is easy for me to read. Also viewing videos on the wider screen is much better for everyone.
I get it that some people have small hands and need a slimmer phone. But there’s lots of people out there with big hands. You’d think that with all the Android phone models designed each year, someone could make a phone for us men. LG, you’ve got a ThinQ line. How about a FatQ line?
Camera.
Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
3.5mm Jack.
Samsung, don’t you get it? People want the 3.5mm jack. Yes, they all have Bluetooth headsets. But sometimes you forget to charge them or need to use a wired headset for other purposes. I bought the Note 9 but will NOT be buying the Note 10 primarily due to the lack of a headphone jack.
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
The FM radio may seem outdated to some. However, us older guys listen to talk radio and a bunch of other stuff that makes us smarter not dumber like the music you listen to on Spotify, etc. Furthermore, FM radio doesn’t suck the life out of the battery like I-Heart radio. What’s really nice about the FM radio is that you can get reception even where you don’t have cell service. This could be important in an emergency where cell service is down. I use the FM radio at our cabin where the cell signal is weak.
FM radio is available on almost all chips my by Qualcomm and Samsung. Yet, many manufacturers, including Google, make their phones so the FM radio is not functional. Shame on them.
Conclusion.
Android phone manufacturers are giving us phones that have less features, are less useful, are heavier and cost more. What’s the advantage of buying a new phone? Is it any wonder that the sales of flagship cell phones are decreasing? Quit chasing Apple and start adding back in real features that add value.
NeutronBomb said:
Nobody gives a **** that you miss the removable battery or that you don't like the phone. Save it for your diary.
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I give a **** that he misses the removable battery!
Neo3D said:
I give a **** that he misses the removable battery!
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As do I. It should never of been removed as an option.
Form over function. Design over usability.
These are the priorities that Apple promoted and all other manufacturers followed, sadly.
Bollocks!
"a phone is no good if the battery is dead" = A car is no good if its gastank is empty. Do you carry additional gastanks with you to extend the mileage, or do you have the discipline to stop for gas when it is needed?
You are complaining about the lack of removable battery because you like to extend the phone's life by buying additional batteries. But you are buying two new phones every year? In my opinion that doesn't make any sense unless you're collecting them for a personal museum-like use.
If I could use to choose between removable battery or waterproof housing back in the days (let's say around the Note 2 era) I would have chosen waterproof housing. These days I cannot imagine why someone is not been able to charge there phones on a regular (daily) basis. So carrying extra batteries all day sounds stupid to me, and is the main reason powerbanks exist.
- 3,5mm jack?...Old technology....forget about it en move on.
- Rounded glass, metal frame not good? Millions of devices are bought by customers who are drooling about their shiny metal and rounded devices. Why in the hell would a manufacturer not jump in that gap and keep using ugly plastic screens and bodies? People are willing to pay the high prices for it...it is just a simple matter of demand.
- IR blaster? Seriously? In an era where we could controle devices with wifi/BT, even with voice commands etc.
- FM radio? There are dozens of apps out there where you could listen to thousands (if not more) radiostations, in the most cases in digital quality.
Your post, I mean rant, is nothing but a whining post about features that have had their time. Technology is moving on, I suggest you do too. Maybe you get a revelation and see that (not all ) I-Phone users aren't idiots. Those who keeps complaining about "it was way better back then" are...
jabberwock said:
Bollocks!
"a phone is no good if the battery is dead" = A car is no good if its gastank is empty. Do you carry additional gastanks with you to extend the mileage, or do you have the discipline to stop for gas when it is needed?
You are complaining about the lack of removable battery because you like to extend the phone's life by buying additional batteries. But you are buying two new phones every year? In my opinion that doesn't make any sense unless you're collecting them for a personal museum-like use.
If I could use to choose between removable battery or waterproof housing back in the days (let's say around the Note 2 era) I would have chosen waterproof housing. These days I cannot imagine why someone is not been able to charge there phones on a regular (daily) basis. So carrying extra batteries all day sounds stupid to me, and is the main reason powerbanks exist.
- 3,5mm jack?...Old technology....forget about it en move on.
- Rounded glass, metal frame not good? Millions of devices are bought by customers who are drooling about their shiny metal and rounded devices. Why in the hell would a manufacturer not jump in that gap and keep using ugly plastic screens and bodies? People are willing to pay the high prices for it...it is just a simple matter of demand.
- IR blaster? Seriously? In an era where we could controle devices with wifi/BT, even with voice commands etc.
- FM radio? There are dozens of apps out there where you could listen to thousands (if not more) radiostations, in the most cases in digital quality.
Your post, I mean rant, is nothing but a whining post about features that have had their time. Technology is moving on, I suggest you do too. Maybe you get a revelation and see that (not all ) I-Phone users aren't idiots. Those who keeps complaining about "it was way better back then" are...
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OMG! Chill, guys. He was only expressing an opinion, not attacking your mother.
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OMG! Chill, guys. He was only expressing an opinion, not attacking your mother.
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Agreed! One thing I really don't understand...why manufacturer's follow apple? Unless apple pays other manufacturers To me it is the same thing if someone jumps from the bridge, then I would be doing it as well. Why not to do the opposite...Apple removed headphone jack, we(android people) keep it. When manufacturers follow apple, it shows users that apple is smart and go ahead buy their products. There are so many manufacturers around the worlds and once a notch on the phone became a thing, many started to copy. Small camera cutout is fine, but not the big notch!
rambo6 said:
Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak.
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Apple actually has great hardware. Their SOC is something that Qualcomm just can't match. As for their software, it's not "for idiots". It's for average users that only care about the standard smartphone experience. It's not for enthusiasts. Calling every IPhone user an idiot just shows how dumb YOU are.
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Removable Battery.
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Get a powerbank. They're cheap enough and occupy basically the same space a spare battery would.
rambo6 said:
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
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There are still plenty of phones with flat screens. I personally like the curve. It's a subjective matter. Just buy a different phone that suits your taste.
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Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
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Sure thing. Would you like a giant, thick, ugly as all hell sensor to go with that?
rambo6 said:
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
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Apple never had it in the first place (at least the IR blaster) so your reasoning why it was removed is pretty silly. You can buy a universal remote for 3$. As for FM radio, again, a ton of devices still have it. Just buy something that suits you.
Good grief.
Guys, calm down, man expresses his opinion here, it's not illegal
What worries me about Samsung, Samsung should work on a larger battery.
Flagships have smaller batteries, and are mid-priced have larger batteries, the battery on the N10 needed to be bigger (e.g. 4000mAh).
IMO IR-blaster is worthless on a touch device. I want physical buttons I can find and press without having to look at the remote, so good riddance to this feature.
"Cell phone"...that's a word I haven't heard in a while
LMFAO. The list of grievances here is just stupid. I don't give two ****s about removable battery, the goddamn 3.5mm jack is DEAD so get over it, and the rest are really not a problem. You act like features have ONLY been removed all while features like improved cameras, fingerprint reader on-screen, active wake word support for voice assistants, incredible screen improvements, better battery life, and inking support have all been added. You'll clearly never be happy with technology so just stop using it.
I returned my note 10 plus and got a huawei mate 20 x. It's a beast no pen. Better in other regards. 1080p is good enough for me on a phone. Older 4g version.
rambo6 said:
I’ve been in love with electronic gadgets for years. I had the first Palm Pilot and the HTC Blue Angel, a great windows mobile phone with a keyboard. Many of you are probably too young to be familiar with these devices. Each year, and sometimes twice a year, I would get so excited to see the new devices come out sporting new tech. I would buy two new phones a year, usually from Samsung as the new Galaxy S and Note models came out. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS AS I AM TODAY. Let me explain why.
Apple is one of the most successful cell phone manufacturers. The I-Phone (the I stands for Idiot) has not been successful because of its great design or software; but because so many people were already hooked on the I-Pad and I-Tunes for their music and media. Another feature that has kept Apple high on the sales charts is I-Message. Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak. My primary disgust with current phones is that all the Android manufactures are chasing Apple and removing features that made their cell phones great.
Let’s look at some of these features.
Removable Battery.
A phone is no good if the battery is dead. HTC and Samsung started out right with a replaceable battery. The idiot Apple loving pundits in this industry have reported gleefully that the removeable battery is gone forever. I hope not. No matter how fast a cell phone charges, there’s always times when you just don’t have time to charge. There are so many times when you realize your battery is almost dead and you need to be somewhere else NOW. I’m currently using the last of the great phones with a replaceable batter – the LG V20. I am an extremely heavy cell phone user. I have four batteries (one came with the phone) and three chargers. I keep a charged battery in my pocket and two in the chargers. I never have to plug in my phone. For each of my three sets of battery and charger I paid $22. So for $66, I never run out charge.
I laugh when I see others tell me – “Wait, I cannot go yet, my phone’s dead.” The most idiotic thing is Samsung making a phone that can share a charge with others. Who the heck is going to do that? What Samsung and other manufactures should do is sell a charger and battery set direct for $29 or less. They charge $29 for their wireless chargers and you end up needing two or three so you can have one at the office and a couple at home anyways.
One of the most important things about the removeable battery is the ability to extend the life of the phone. The life of batteries decreases after a short period. It’s ridiculous and costly to have to send in your phone to have the battery replaced.
Build Quality/Cellular Connectivity
On any given day, you can find a reviewer of a cellular device touting “build quality.” Are they just stupid or Apple lovers? Samsung’s build quality was berated by reviewers because they had cheap plastic frames and plastic backs on their phones. This cheap plastic was great. The plastic back allowed easy access to the battery, SIM card, and SD card. Furthermore, plastic frames have better cellular connectivity than aluminum frames do. They are also much cheaper to make and are lighter. Most use a phone case to protect their phones anyway.
So because the industry has chased Apple, we Android users have no replaceable battery, no easy access to SIM and SD cards, heavier phones, and a much higher cost – now over $1,000. My Samsung Note 9 is so heavy that I get fatigued just holding it up in bed. The Note 2 made years ago was a masterpiece in terms of manufacture and feel. It was light and had nice curved corners. It felt great in the hand.
Screen & Screen Dimensions.
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
My next screen grip is the narrow screen. We cannot blame this trend on Apple. As I’ve aged, I need to use reading glasses. When the screens were wider (3 inches and above), I could read almost everything without my reading glasses. With my Note 9, I must use my glasses all the time. I have a LG Stylo 3 too. It has a wide screen that is easy for me to read. Also viewing videos on the wider screen is much better for everyone.
I get it that some people have small hands and need a slimmer phone. But there’s lots of people out there with big hands. You’d think that with all the Android phone models designed each year, someone could make a phone for us men. LG, you’ve got a ThinQ line. How about a FatQ line?
Camera.
Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
3.5mm Jack.
Samsung, don’t you get it? People want the 3.5mm jack. Yes, they all have Bluetooth headsets. But sometimes you forget to charge them or need to use a wired headset for other purposes. I bought the Note 9 but will NOT be buying the Note 10 primarily due to the lack of a headphone jack.
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
The FM radio may seem outdated to some. However, us older guys listen to talk radio and a bunch of other stuff that makes us smarter not dumber like the music you listen to on Spotify, etc. Furthermore, FM radio doesn’t suck the life out of the battery like I-Heart radio. What’s really nice about the FM radio is that you can get reception even where you don’t have cell service. This could be important in an emergency where cell service is down. I use the FM radio at our cabin where the cell signal is weak.
FM radio is available on almost all chips my by Qualcomm and Samsung. Yet, many manufacturers, including Google, make their phones so the FM radio is not functional. Shame on them.
Conclusion.
Android phone manufacturers are giving us phones that have less features, are less useful, are heavier and cost more. What’s the advantage of buying a new phone? Is it any wonder that the sales of flagship cell phones are decreasing? Quit chasing Apple and start adding back in real features that add value.
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rambo6 said:
I’ve been in love with electronic gadgets for years. I had the first Palm Pilot and the HTC Blue Angel, a great windows mobile phone with a keyboard. Many of you are probably too young to be familiar with these devices. Each year, and sometimes twice a year, I would get so excited to see the new devices come out sporting new tech. I would buy two new phones a year, usually from Samsung as the new Galaxy S and Note models came out. I HAVE NEVER BEEN AS DISAPPOINTED WITH THE CELL PHONE MANUFACTURERS AS I AM TODAY. Let me explain why.
Apple is one of the most successful cell phone manufacturers. The I-Phone (the I stands for Idiot) has not been successful because of its great design or software; but because so many people were already hooked on the I-Pad and I-Tunes for their music and media. Another feature that has kept Apple high on the sales charts is I-Message. Though the Apple has good (not great) hardware, its software is for idiots (this is good because there are so many of them) and its feature set is very weak. My primary disgust with current phones is that all the Android manufactures are chasing Apple and removing features that made their cell phones great.
Let’s look at some of these features.
Removable Battery.
A phone is no good if the battery is dead. HTC and Samsung started out right with a replaceable battery. The idiot Apple loving pundits in this industry have reported gleefully that the removeable battery is gone forever. I hope not. No matter how fast a cell phone charges, there’s always times when you just don’t have time to charge. There are so many times when you realize your battery is almost dead and you need to be somewhere else NOW. I’m currently using the last of the great phones with a replaceable batter – the LG V20. I am an extremely heavy cell phone user. I have four batteries (one came with the phone) and three chargers. I keep a charged battery in my pocket and two in the chargers. I never have to plug in my phone. For each of my three sets of battery and charger I paid $22. So for $66, I never run out charge.
I laugh when I see others tell me – “Wait, I cannot go yet, my phone’s dead.” The most idiotic thing is Samsung making a phone that can share a charge with others. Who the heck is going to do that? What Samsung and other manufactures should do is sell a charger and battery set direct for $29 or less. They charge $29 for their wireless chargers and you end up needing two or three so you can have one at the office and a couple at home anyways.
One of the most important things about the removeable battery is the ability to extend the life of the phone. The life of batteries decreases after a short period. It’s ridiculous and costly to have to send in your phone to have the battery replaced.
Build Quality/Cellular Connectivity
On any given day, you can find a reviewer of a cellular device touting “build quality.” Are they just stupid or Apple lovers? Samsung’s build quality was berated by reviewers because they had cheap plastic frames and plastic backs on their phones. This cheap plastic was great. The plastic back allowed easy access to the battery, SIM card, and SD card. Furthermore, plastic frames have better cellular connectivity than aluminum frames do. They are also much cheaper to make and are lighter. Most use a phone case to protect their phones anyway.
So because the industry has chased Apple, we Android users have no replaceable battery, no easy access to SIM and SD cards, heavier phones, and a much higher cost – now over $1,000. My Samsung Note 9 is so heavy that I get fatigued just holding it up in bed. The Note 2 made years ago was a masterpiece in terms of manufacture and feel. It was light and had nice curved corners. It felt great in the hand.
Screen & Screen Dimensions.
Most cell phone manufactures have a great screen. However, somewhere along the way, Samsung decided that a curved screen was a good idea. It’s just a stupid and useless sales gimmick. A flat screen can be easily protected with a case the edges of which extend above the screen. Such a case not only protects the screen but allows one to grip the device without touching the screen.
My next screen grip is the narrow screen. We cannot blame this trend on Apple. As I’ve aged, I need to use reading glasses. When the screens were wider (3 inches and above), I could read almost everything without my reading glasses. With my Note 9, I must use my glasses all the time. I have a LG Stylo 3 too. It has a wide screen that is easy for me to read. Also viewing videos on the wider screen is much better for everyone.
I get it that some people have small hands and need a slimmer phone. But there’s lots of people out there with big hands. You’d think that with all the Android phone models designed each year, someone could make a phone for us men. LG, you’ve got a ThinQ line. How about a FatQ line?
Camera.
Most of the cameras on today’s higher end phones are great and they need to be. I’d like to see more optical magnification.
3.5mm Jack.
Samsung, don’t you get it? People want the 3.5mm jack. Yes, they all have Bluetooth headsets. But sometimes you forget to charge them or need to use a wired headset for other purposes. I bought the Note 9 but will NOT be buying the Note 10 primarily due to the lack of a headphone jack.
IR Blaster/FM Radio.
These are two features I really miss on phones. I love not having to search for my TV’s remote control. This was a great feature now missing on almost all phones. I guess if Apple doesn’t have it, then no one needs it.
The FM radio may seem outdated to some. However, us older guys listen to talk radio and a bunch of other stuff that makes us smarter not dumber like the music you listen to on Spotify, etc. Furthermore, FM radio doesn’t suck the life out of the battery like I-Heart radio. What’s really nice about the FM radio is that you can get reception even where you don’t have cell service. This could be important in an emergency where cell service is down. I use the FM radio at our cabin where the cell signal is weak.
FM radio is available on almost all chips my by Qualcomm and Samsung. Yet, many manufacturers, including Google, make their phones so the FM radio is not functional. Shame on them.
Conclusion.
Android phone manufacturers are giving us phones that have less features, are less useful, are heavier and cost more. What’s the advantage of buying a new phone? Is it any wonder that the sales of flagship cell phones are decreasing? Quit chasing Apple and start adding back in real features that add value.
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A mid spec device will have more of the features you want than the current flagship devices, which are advancing in areas that you don't understand.
How I miss the removable batteries, sd card support, 3.5mm jacks. I hate my iPhone (and newer Android's) but love it too
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A mid spec device will have more of the features you want than the current flagship devices, which are advancing in areas that you don't understand.
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I do realize that there's more and more tech added to the new flagships, but is it really that useful? Take for instance the new bluetooth stylus or the in screen fingerprint scanner. I do use the stylus of my Note 9 as a remote for the camera, but it's really not as useful as the removable battery or head phone jack. The same goes for the in screen fingerprint scanner. It's cool, but is it necessary. Part of my job is to design products with useful features. The gimmicks the phone designers may be cool and high tech. I hope they keep it up, but they need to develop some high end phones with REALLY USEFUL features. The mid-range phones don't cut it in speed though some come close.
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I give a **** that he misses the removable battery!
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You must work for Samsung or one of the other phone manufacturers.
rambo6 said:
You must work for Samsung or one of the other phone manufacturers.
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That statement has 0 logic
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That statement has 0 logic
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You want logic, try this: The reason the new cell phone sales are tanking is because they are too high priced for the features offered.
rambo6 said:
You want logic, try this: The reason the new cell phone sales are tanking is because they are too high priced for the features offered.
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This statement is a straw man's fallacy
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LMFAO. The list of grievances here is just stupid. I don't give two ****s about removable battery, the goddamn 3.5mm jack is DEAD so get over it, and the rest are really not a problem. You act like features have ONLY been removed all while features like improved cameras, fingerprint reader on-screen, active wake word support for voice assistants, incredible screen improvements, better battery life, and inking support have all been added. You'll clearly never be happy with technology so just stop using it.
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I do give 10 ****s about not having a removable battery.
This phone has a fast SOC, 12GB RAM, 256GB storage, and 256GB micro SD... You think it will be outdated in 2 years? Of course not and Samsung f?kcing knows that!!!
That is exactly why they sealed in the battery, so when the battery is shot to hell in 2 years, then you'll be forced to upgrade.
As SOCs get even more powerful every year and phones get more and more RAM and storage, this PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE STRATEGY becomes more and more true.
Customers never had to replace their laptops every 2 years. Yet, Samsung and Apple are getting away with forcing people to do this with their $1000-$1500 phones which ironically cost as much as a laptop!
I honestly feel this device has been grossly misrepresented by several youtube reviewers. I don't think Google is to be blamed for the hype. I think the youtube reviewers got this wrong from the get-go. Everybody thought the Tensor chip, updated camera specs, android 12, lower-than-typical price point etc is simply going to route the competition. All that is public generated and not google. But then when the units started to come out, people were going ga ga over it over and over. But then I've had the device for a while now and sadly, i don't share their enthusiasm. I am almost scratching my head and wondering what the hell are these reviewers smoking? Trust me, there is no "issue" with my particular unit. My unit is just fine. However, my complaints are..
1. Camera is not that great. it's good. but not distinctly better than a Samsung or iphone. And what's with it taking a few seconds to "process" all the time?
2. The front camera is laughably bad. Maybe not for still pictures.. but when using it for video calling on duo or Whatsapp it is so freaking grainy like as if it's coming from a 2012 smartphone.
3. The build quality - The phone is a bit too dense for it's size. I have the S21 ultra and even though that is a bigger phone, it feels lighter and thinner in the hand. The Pixel 6 feels like a heavy rock.
4. The auto brightness is wonky. We all know this already. How could google get the autobrightness so badly wrong is mind boggling.
5. The software is good, but honestly I think Samsung has done a great job with one ui 4. I HATE that I have to click things twice to turn off the internet.
6. Why is there no facial unlock? Ridiculous!!! especially considering the fingerprint scanner is a POS. Plus one can't expand notifications from the lockscreen without a facial unlock. Fingerprint scanner unlock will bring you to the home screen.
7. Did I mention the phone is too dense for it's size? Extremely slippery without a case and with a case too bulky than it already is.
8. I always find it interesting that no other phone on the market has as good a network connectivity as Samsung. Samsung phones simply latch on and have good network connectivity. The Pixel 6 is OK.. .. nothing to ride home about.
9. The phone was so hard to find stocked anywhere.. Google completely botched it.
Do any of you guys have any more to contribute to the list? I
You might get the answers you are looking for on Whatsapp or Facebook.
Buying a $600 vs a $1000 phone is some of the real answer.
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You might get the answers you are looking for on Whatsapp or Facebook.
Buying a $600 vs a $1000 phone is some of the real answer.
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Your comment is implying that Google took some really cheap shortcuts to make the phone deliberately this bad and you are saying "you get what you pay for.. don't expect anything more for $600".
I don't think that is the case here. The two back camera lenses are exactly the same from the 6 pro. The chip is the same. The software is the same. I am sure google making this device more dense than a rock has nothing to do with cutting cost. Overall, I think it's just really bad and sloppy design choices and QAQC on google's part.
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Your comment is implying that Google took some really cheap shortcuts to make the phone deliberately this bad and you are saying "you get what you pay for.. don't expect anything more for $600".
I don't think that is the case here. The two back camera lenses are exactly the same from the 6 pro. The chip is the same. The software is the same. I am sure google making this device more dense than a rock has nothing to do with cutting cost. Overall, I think it's just really bad and sloppy design choices and QAQC on google's part.
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Samsungs $1000 phone has the better camera.
Pixel 6 pro has the 4x zoom.
I do not use a cell phone for photography, the Camara on a cell phone is for taking quick pictures of a convenient moment.
LIke I said you will get more people to agree with you on social media. They are a hell of lot smarter people than here on XDA.
Here is a link for basing the P6 Camara.
The pixel 6 camera sucks
This is probably going to be am unpopular opinion but does anyone else think that the Pixel 6 camera sucks? Pics straight out of device are a) over sharpened and b) flat. The canned filters are poor too. Enhance does nearly nothing, dynamic is a...
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Depends what you are coming from and what one compares against. Is comparing with an S21 really fair?
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Depends what you are coming from and what one compares against. Is comparing with an S21 really fair?
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No I am not really comparing with S21 Ultra. I mentioned that phone to say it feels lighter and thinner than the immensely dense design of the pixel 6. Another recent issue I've been noticing is how Google assistant a> does not give a audible feedback when invoked from the lockscreen or elsewhere and b> it gets randomly activated with noises from the TV (which are not saying the keywords).
I am going to wait until Google pushes the next update and see if that hopefully fixes most if not all of these issues. Google is really screwing the pooch on this one.
I am not sure if density is the issue, to me the issue is more about balance. I feel the huge camera bar makes it top-heavy and therefore a bit awkward to hold.
I am satisfied with the Pixel 6. I did my research before buying it, so no surprise on my side. However, I can imagine that some folks found the articles about the best phone of the year and thought that it is altogether better than the flagships, like S21 Ultra. It is not at all about beating everyone. What I got is a reasonable phone for a reasonable price. That's it from my side.
The parity of information is there, you can find all information on the Internet. Actually, we have too many options, so most of the buyers would be less and less happier buying something because of their FOMO.
I saw that earlier this morning .. I thought it was funny. I also like that they are starting to promote the Fold. That's usually a good sign.
It's interesting that they haven't been pushing it much at all; I was expecting more for their inaugural outing.
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It's interesting that they haven't been pushing it much at all; I was expecting more for their inaugural outing.
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Rather weak. So you can flip it open... is that all you got? Your target market is the woke happy-happy, joy-joy California zombies? wtf?
Like all folds it's biggest claim to fame is also it's greatest liability. From normal physical wear to firmware/software that doesn't properly integrate with the large odd shaped display. Google doesn't even attempt to allay these real concerns.
I would wait 6 months to see how it pans out before buying. Then see what the users not the reviewers are saying.
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It's interesting that they haven't been pushing it much at all; I was expecting more for their inaugural outing.
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My guess is that they were waiting till closer to the actual physical release to push it. They probably wanted to see what the pre-order sales from I/O and word-of-mouth would get them before they start pushing it
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Rather weak. So you can flip it open... is that all you got? Your target market is the woke happy-happy, joy-joy California zombies? wtf?
Like all folds it's biggest claim to fame is also it's greatest liability. From normal physical wear to firmware/software that doesn't properly integrate with the large odd shaped display. Google doesn't even attempt to allay these real concerns.
I would wait 6 months to see how it pans out before buying. Then see what the users not the reviewers are saying.
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Google worked closely with Samsung on android 12L (for larger screens) and then started to incorporate it in to android 13 and now 14. I think although it won't be as polished as oneui5 it will have most of the software as the z fold(apart from Samsung exclusive). With Google now working with developers hopefully more 3rd party apps will work better on a big screen. Still can't believe Instagram won't scale properly on a folding screen
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Google worked closely with Samsung on android 12L (for larger screens) and then started to incorporate it in to android 13 and now 14. I think although it won't be as polished as oneui5 it will have most of the software as the z fold(apart from Samsung exclusive). With Google now working with developers hopefully more 3rd party apps will work better on a big screen. Still can't believe Instagram won't scale properly on a folding screen
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Both Google and Samsung since the release of the folds have failed to deliver firmware/software innovations for that format. This lackluster behavior continues. Samsung is a mess right now, the result of 4 plus years of poor leadership.
I don't think Google's doing any better; they've made a mess of Android in my opinion. Both got more than they bargained for with the fold project. It's been a heavy, constant money and resource drain from its inception. No end in sight just promises as their beta product slowly evolves
The whole "it folds" is the same old story, again.
No expandable storage, sky high price points and you know right where it folds is where the trouble will start, sooner rather then latter. They can warranty it but you still lose time screwing with the claim, not having it, then reloading the bloody thing. Repair downtime is not why you buy an expensive flagship phone.
This N10+ has had in its over 8k hours of operation; with one replacement battery done in 1 day, it's only repair (routine maintenance as Li's don't last forever) in almost 4 years. It's last reload was over 3 years ago, no firmware upgrades or updates in all that time.
Minimal maintenance and no malware. Personally I'm sick of Google's constantly changing platform. I don't want to be constantly chasing down gremlins and optimizing new firmware on a stock device.
I've seen a lot of hyperbole in the last 3 years from both Google and Samsung. Sorry fact is they both haven't improved SOT; just slammed bigger, heavier batteries in. 4 year old hardware/firmware shouldn't get better SOT (with a smaller capacity battery) and be nearly as fast in actual usage as a new flagship. Google's insistence on cloud storage vs expandable has became a wretched handicap that reduces reliability, redundancy and eats power needlessly.
Scoped storage is another mess they added.
So yeah, another fold offering. Same old cake with different icing on it with a few new enticing trinkets sprinkled on top. Where it folds will remain it's Achilles heel and continue to cause user issues.
TLDR: This will be my 4th folder, love em. I'd suggest they aren't for you, which is fine; takes all kinds.
As for longevity, I've broken a whole lot of rectangles. I've also had many with firmware issues.
My fold 1 was sketchy, no question about it. The 2 however is still going strong and is currently in the hands of one of my grandkids at almost 3 years old. I wanted a better form factor and switched to the X Fold which is also still going strong at 1 year and change. All of them were dropped, slept on, etc. No kid gloves.
I like the folding form factor. It makes it much easier to format emails and that sort of thing. Enough so that I no longer carry a laptop or tablet with me. It also works well with desktop sites which is my preferred browsing mode. They're great for consuming media. I imagine gaming is problably better but i don't game on the phone so I can't comment on it.
Bottom line with all that is that It isn't just a gimmick. You don't fold it open a few times, the novelty wears off, and you use the front screen after that. It literally makes my portable phone usage better every day, all day. That's what you're missing. The fold out into tablet mode is the game altering paradigm. It needs to do that and nothing more and you already have a win. Software better utilizing it is just the gravy that makes it all taste better.
In many respects you're not wrong though, this phone is one I'd recommend to few people. Right off the bat you need to be an enthusiast or have plenty of discretionary income to swallow the buy-in. It's also early days and better products are coming. Possibly not even a folder, it could be rollables rule the roost in the future. Whatever it is I'll be there because I'm both: I love my gadgets and I'm old and have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life.
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My fold 1 was sketchy, no question about it. The 2 however is still going strong and is currently in the hands of one of my grandkids at almost 3 years old. I wanted a better form factor and switched to the X Fold which is also still going strong at 1 year and change. All of them were dropped, slept on, etc. No kid gloves.
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Was that a test of durability to see exactly how long the Fold 2 will last under the supervision of an 'almost 3 year old'?
At, not an, the subject is the phone, not the granddaughter. Lol. That one came out in the later summer and will be hitting its 3 year mark soon. That granddaughter came out 9 years ago, so past the (more) destructive ages.
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TLDR: This will be my 4th folder, love em. I'd suggest they aren't for you, which is fine; takes all kinds.
As for longevity, I've broken a whole lot of rectangles. I've also had many with firmware issues.
My fold 1 was sketchy, no question about it. The 2 however is still going strong and is currently in the hands of one of my grandkids at almost 3 years old. I wanted a better form factor and switched to the X Fold which is also still going strong at 1 year and change. All of them were dropped, slept on, etc. No kid gloves.
I like the folding form factor. It makes it much easier to format emails and that sort of thing. Enough so that I no longer carry a laptop or tablet with me. It also works well with desktop sites which is my preferred browsing mode. They're great for consuming media. I imagine gaming is problably better but i don't game on the phone so I can't comment on it.
Bottom line with all that is that It isn't just a gimmick. You don't fold it open a few times, the novelty wears off, and you use the front screen after that. It literally makes my portable phone usage better every day, all day. That's what you're missing. The fold out into tablet mode is the game altering paradigm. It needs to do that and nothing more and you already have a win. Software better utilizing it is just the gravy that makes it all taste better.
In many respects you're not wrong though, this phone is one I'd recommend to few people. Right off the bat you need to be an enthusiast or have plenty of discretionary income to swallow the buy-in. It's also early days and better products are coming. Possibly not even a folder, it could be rollables rule the roost in the future. Whatever it is I'll be there because I'm both: I love my gadgets and I'm old and have all the coffee tables a man needs in one life.
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Apart from both Google and Samsung still not injecting true innovation and functionality that would make full use of the real estate in both firmware and software... there's one nagging little detail.
That being no known plastics or adhesive systems are up to being bent and repeatedly full cycled 0-180° flexed at that acute of an angle. Torsional loading only exacerbates the issue as invariably the display elements bear some of this. The display is not fully isolated like on a laptop.
Flexing both the display's active matrix and some of the pixels means a higher display failure rate over it's lifespan. The fact that there's multiple laminations introduces new stress and wear factors and more complex assembly processes.
A lot more things to go wrong especially if QC is not exceptional.
The design is inherently flawed because on this.
Cool. Sounds like it's not a buy for you; nothing wrong with voting with your wallet.
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Cool. Sounds like it's not a buy for you; nothing wrong with voting with your wallet.
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I refuse to part with having a dual drive device with up to 1.5tb of storage* and a integrated spen. Not getting anything that gets worse SOT per mAh. I want less downtime and more play time.
*if used right it adds redundancy and flexibility. Every device I own is dual drive. Invariably any that were not caused issues.
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Apart from both Google and Samsung still not injecting true innovation and functionality that would make full use of the real estate in both firmware and software... there's one nagging little detail.
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Even though Google has been the leader in the field of artificial intelligence. Its AI research has led to the development of many new and groundbreaking technologies, such as self-driving cars, machine translation, and image recognition. Google's AI research is helping to shape the future of technology, but it's too bad that they haven't been able to apply that same type of energy towards the OS.
I suppose that Project Butter, Material Design and Project Treble just doesn't seem to compensate for the lusterless of said device.
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Even though Google has been the leader in the field of artificial intelligence. Its AI research has led to the development of many new and groundbreaking technologies, such as self-driving cars, machine translation, and image recognition. Google's AI research is helping to shape the future of technology, but it's too bad that they haven't been able to apply that same type of energy towards the OS.
I suppose that Project Butter, Material Design and Project Treble just doesn't seem to compensate for the lusterless of said device.
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Well that's a cheap shot.
We're not talking about all their vast corporate endeavors, just what applies to this form factor.
So let me help bring it in focus instead of all over the place like the Titan crew...
Google is well known to abandon technologies, products... and leaving the end users boned. Remember that.
Here's a not so glowing review by a user that wanted to see the fold as a viable everyday phone. That didn't go so well.
Aspect ratio continues to be an issue after multiple generations of firmware. Do you buy square computer monitors? Extra display area doesn't mean usable display area. Can't fix that; it is a problem of the actual display dimensions.
Apps that display on one or both displays continue to not fully utilize the real estate available to them. How many developers are going to want to make special apps for this niche market when even Google and Samsung have trouble doing it?
It's been a bottomless money sinkhole for Samsung that's diverted huge amounts of revenue from their other flagship lines for years.
Current sales still don't justify it. I think it's no coincidence that the N10+ was their zenith point.
After that project Samsung became increasingly fragmented and the fold project exacerbated this exponentially. Consequences.
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Well that's a cheap shot.
We're not talking about all their vast corporate endeavors, just what applies to this form factor.
So let me help bring it in focus instead of all over the place like the Titan crew...
Google is well known to abandon technologies, products... and leaving the end users boned. Remember that.
Here's a not so glowing review by a user that wanted to see the fold as a viable everyday phone. That didn't go so well.
Aspect ratio continues to be an issue after multiple generations of firmware. Do you buy square computer monitors? Extra display area doesn't mean usable display area. Can't fix that; it is a problem of the actual display dimensions.
Apps that display on one or both displays continue to not fully utilize the real estate available to them. How many developers are going to want to make special apps for this niche market when even Google and Samsung have trouble doing it?
It's been a bottomless money sinkhole for Samsung that's diverted huge amounts of revenue from their other flagship lines for years.
Current sales still don't justify it. I think it's no coincidence that the N10+ was their zenith point.
After that project Samsung became increasingly fragmented and the fold project exacerbated this exponentially. Consequences.
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I suppose that at the end of the day, the foldable market will find a small group of admirers and/or enthusiasts who might find such devices feasible in the world of daily driving.
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I suppose that at the end of the day, the foldable market will find a small group of admirers and/or enthusiasts who might find such devices feasible in the world of daily driving.
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I don't have high expectations. Samsung blew the roll out years ago. Most of the same issues persist although they fixed the hinge. I expect a flagship to last, be usable for years and to stay in excellent condition if properly cared for. If so the only repair should be the Li every 1-3 years.
Because of it's square unfolded form factor some format issues can't be resolved.