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Has anyone checked the ROG phone "Battery health" on AccuBattery Pro? Mine is showing Estimated Capacity as 3,548 mAh, Design Capacity 4,000 mAh. I completely discharged then charged to 100% as calibration. Brand new phone.
Mine is showing 3,531mAh after around a week of usage.
Someone should report this on the Asus forums
mine also show 3500mah after 2.5 weeks of use
I have posted this issue on ASUS's Forum
https://www.asus.com/zentalk/thread-249329-1-1.html
Please feel free to add your battery capacity screenshots on their forum so we have a reference for the future
Mine's at 3462 after a little over a month. With a health of 87%
OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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OK, then. We shouldn't be concerned. The proper way to measure battery is more complicated than what AccuBattery does (the proper way involves measuring battery discharge at a controlled rate). Since many of us are getting similar readings on AccuBattery, it's probably that AccuBattery's method isn't accurate.
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Same here: 3536 mAh 88% health with Accubattery first charge out of the box after discharging to 15% following first power up.
Either Accubattery has a problem with our phone, or Asus is ripping us off.
If the batteries were bad, we'd all have different readings.
I am guessing the AI charging might affect the measurement from AccuBattery. However I also don't think the battery capacity is full 4000 mAh. My last phone from Motorola has a 3000 mAh battery on the spec chart, but the battery itself prints 2810 / 3000 mAh (min/typ). From the ROG phone tear down videos, this battery isn't marked though.
From the asus zen forum the only solution the person provided was to bring the device to a service center to get it tested
I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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I maybe wrong however with batteries these days it only ever uses a percentage so that there is redundancy for failure and to preserve the battery life.
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Samsung does that. Note 9 is 4000mah but Accubattery says 3800mah on new phones. Every one of them.
Power reserve to not kill the battery early.
Anyway, 3500 mAh seems like one heck of a left over reserve.
Our batteries should last 5 years at least
Same "problem" here, but maybe it is because program has small amount of gathered data about battery usage. I did full discharge and full recharge yesterday, and goz about 3567mAh, but ill try to calibrate battery and use measuring app for longer time to get more accurate results.
Ps: I am using only slow charger to avoid overheating to eliminate battery damaging when recharging
I have not checked my ROG Phone in any 3rd party apps as I have not had a reason to question the 4,000 MAH
It is not a problem, lithium ion battery deteriorate faster if kept fully charge all the time or when discharged to low. Since most people have the bad habit to plug their phone all the time and keep them full for a prolonged period of time, oem have to be creative to fight this. Some will show your battery is charged at 100% while in reality its only charged at 90% .That is what your program most likely reading.
lithium ion should only be charged at 100% before you leave the house, i tend to keep mine between 50 and 90 usually . With quick charge there is no reason to keep a phone plug overnight, 10-20 min before leaving the house is plenty.
I have turned on AI for battery charging and as soon as my Battery reaches 100 it stops charging which is good enough for me to have faith in the charging technology in the phone and battery capacity.
I do leave mine plugged in over night however with the right equipment to check its hard to get a good understanding of whats happening. Theres inbuilt battery health tools so i would always advise using these and going through the features of this over 3rd party jank applications and trust them. Its the only tools Asus are going to support in any diagnostic troubleshooting.
Hi guys, I am returning after some time of usage and charging. After some charging cycles I have to admit my battery capacity is "increasing" - well better say, it is getting used to be charged properly. Now I passed 7 full charging cycles, but after 3rd one every next charge had more mA. I started at 3479mAh with full battery, now I ended with 3711mAh - hope it gets even better (I'll be glad for at least 3800, but who knows?). Everytime I tried to charge only when I was below 3%.
I have to say I am using slow charger with 5V and 400mA current. Battery checker from mobile manager was not detecting any issue with this way of charging nor AccuBattery Pro. I also know, that batteries shall be charged only about 80% of its capacity, but I am still sceptical about that rest 20% so I am charging to max everytime.
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...another time passed and I am back with another results. After a lot chrging cycles I am stuck at between 3500-3700mAh of total capacity. I was searching around whole internet and found out, that phone manufacturers are "decreasing" battery capacity with SW at 90% of total capacity to prolong battery life and avoid battery wear, because everytime you charge the phone, you think you are charging to 100%, but in real you are charging to 90% only - rest of 10% is "hidden" to save your battery life - due to my calculations and testing it might be true. Anybody else had something different, so we can compare it?
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
Hellindros said:
I've just started cycling with accubattery will post when I get some solid data but seems battery has lost some capacity already only had it since November 5
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Heres mine so far only a few cycle's in but I've lost quite a bit capacity
OK, first of all, we all know that the S6 has NEVER been known for being a battery life champion. BUT, here's the problem .....
Battery reports relatively consistent decline in charge over time, until it gets down to 1%. At that point, the device still has sufficient charge to run for about one hour with the display on and set at full brightness.
Same on Stock Nougat, L.O.S 14 and L.O.S. 16. Same after full factory re-sets on all three. Same on pull and re-connect battery, which is a factory-new Samsung replacement for the original (not the 7 edge mod)
OBVIOUSLY, there is something not quite right about battery capacity reporting here.
Suggestions?
nezlek said:
OBVIOUSLY, there is something not quite right about battery capacity reporting here.
Suggestions?
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Ion Lithium batteries do not like to be completely discharged, to my knowledge ideally they should always be operated between 20% and 80% of their capacity.
Some laptop's do shut-down them selves when battery reaches 5% to safe guard the battery health.
So, yes, 1% reported by the battery does not actually include the "reserve" charge to prevent damages and, unless you really have to, do not use you phone with battery below 10% and charge it !
Under normal circumstances
enryfox said:
Ion Lithium batteries do not like to be completely discharged, to my knowledge ideally they should always be operated between 20% and 80% of their capacity.
Some laptop's do shut-down them selves when battery reaches 5% to safe guard the battery health.
So, yes, 1% reported by the battery does not actually include the "reserve" charge to prevent damages and, unless you really have to, do not use you phone with battery below 10% and charge it !
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Under normal circumstances, yes, definitely, keeping it between 30% and 80% is ideal, but when the goal is to accurately calibrate the battery / charging monitor circuitry, more accurate results are to be obtained by running the device to the point of battery exhaustion, at which point the reserve capacity designed into all lithium batteries still remains. But this is NOT something to think about doing on a daily basis. An S6 or S6 edge first run to the point of shutdown will actually re-boot but shut down just about immediately thereafter - iterations are not advised. You want it to have just enough left to get it to re-boot and stay running while charging, at which point you can monitor the recharge . Check out the data from Battery University or the support pages for Accu Battery for more details. Trying to use up the built-in safety margin is a fool's errand, and if you've ever seen a mishandled lithium cell turn a vivid red while the device in question melts around it, it should give you a healthy respect (if for some reason you did not have it in the first place) for not messing with or even attempting to mess with the reserve. The problem here is that the "1%" remaining on the charge meter (which is above, beyond, and independent of the untouchable reserve) actually appears to represent about 15% of the rated capacity of the battery, or in this case, over an hour of screen-on run time, and by never running that out, a current-flow-based app like Accu Battery will invariably under-report capacity going forward as a result. Such apps measure how much current is drawn to get from 'x' percent to 'y' percent being reported, but when the amount of current draw to get from 1% to zero is a range of around 300 mAh, for a battery nominally rated at 2,550 (for an S6) or 2,600 (for a S6 edge) as the total capacity, the problem of how accurate the "1%" figure is should be kind of self-evident. I am not willing to see how low a "0%" capacity report can be pushed down. Sanity has to rear its ugly little head at some point, after all.
Many alternative kernels, etc.. claim to address this problem, but I have yet to find one that actually does the job. It is rumored that Samsung service facilities can do a complete reset of the capacity reporting capability, but who knows? Maybe the luck of the draw gave me a dud battery from Samsung as the replacement. :crying:
I keep reading that you should try and just charge your phone to 80% to help keep the battery healthy, as going to 100% can shotren the life span of the battery.
How ciritcal is this?
I know letting your phone run down to 0% is bad as it takes a fully clylce then to get back too 100% and this is not good for the battery long ter, but i must confess i usually let my battery get to around 50/60% ish then charge back up to 100%
I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I've always charged my phones fully and never noticed any issues. Maybe if you plan on keeping a device for 10 years, but for the usual lifetime of a phone it's just fine. My OP7 is 2 and a half years old now and still has 86% battery health. I've seen others in Telegram groups say that they never charge to 100% and when they post their battery health it's not much different from mine, sometimes even less.
I think modern batteries are fine being fully charged ... otherwise the OEMs or battery manufacturers would limit them to 80 or 90% by default.
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I guess I have some buffer
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I guess I have some buffer
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Hehe yea, I guess they all show 102% then because I have that as well
I like the adaptive charging, set up your bedtime and alarm for getting up (or turning over) After bedtime, phone gets trickle charged to achieve 100% at morning alarm. No excess heat etc. Phone then lasts me all day till bedtime when put on airplane mode, switch off Wi-Fi, & sleep. Works for me.
I'm showing 106%
I always charge to full, using adapting charging over night. Charging slowly and keeping temperature down is more important than keeping it to 80% from my understanding.
I just lay my phone on a slow charge Qi pad every night and when I get up it is at 100%. Nexus 6, Pixel 3, now Pixel 6. Perhaps my battery life went down a bit on my Pixel 3 after 3 years, but not enough to notice. I think 100% charge (at least slow charging) is safe for 3 to 5 years of battery life.
Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it can extend the lifespan hundreds even thousands more full charge cycles.
Voltage and temperature are the Li's biggest stress factors. Low or high temperature charging can cause Li plating.
The higher the cell voltage, the faster it degrades.
The same is true with temperature.
Personally I just replace them every year or so as a failed Li can severely damage a phone. They tend to swell during a failure which can easily damage the display.
My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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My Samsung S10+ is 27 months old now. I'm charging it to 80% mainly daily. Had maybe max 20 full charges and only once or twice to zero. I'm at 86% battery health (according to 146 sessions). Was 92% six months after buying brand new.
I think it helps. Also since the battery is OK (4100mah), dont need that extra 20%.
EDIT: 15W Samsung "fast" charging. As fast as that is ...
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A Li is considered degraded when it reaches 80% of it's initial capacity. This signals the end of its useful service life.
Degraded Li's are more likely to fail.
Trust me it's better to replace it before it fails...
I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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I think Better Battery Stats made that reco back in the day.
Charge to 80% and plug in at 10%.
Not so sure that really matters anymore though.
Both my 2 XL and Pixel 5 were plugged in before bed, unplugged when I got up, plugged back in when I hit 10-15% or when I went to bed.
If you plan on keeping your device for a long time (like 3-4 years) doing the unplug at 80% and plug in at 10% might make a diff.
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10% is too low. It causes a lot of stress on the battery as it drops below 20% to charge from that starting point or lower.
Worse there's little usable energy after 20% because of the lower voltage. The phone uses the same wattage which is determined by V×A=W, so as the voltage drops it needs more milliamperes to make the same wattage. The discharge rate increases as the cell voltage drops.
A better low cut off is 30-40% or even higher and a high cutoff of 80% although 62% is optimum.
The Li likes frequent midrange power cycling. Charging beyond those parameters is for your convenience at the cost of battery lifespan.
Batteries are cheap and most are easy to replace... so I don't sweat it.
I expect a service life of 1-2 years on a heavily used N10+ battery.
However charging in the 40-72% range yields the most rapid fast charge in the shortest time so it makes sense to use this whenever convenient.
Well, I know things have been updated within Googles code itself.
"Adaptive Charging" / "Adatptive Connectivity" additions.
This was a real big problem for me with my HTC 10, (2016)
Battery degradation threads starting popping up.
I installed Accubattery after 1.5/2 years of owning the device and the battery was degraded to about 77% capacity at that time, IIRC. I was charging to 100% at that time, also.
So, I began charging stricly to 80%.
Compared to my HTC One M8 that to this day still has 90% capacity, and I used that device from the day Verizon released (3/2014) it until the day Verizon released the HTC 10 (5/2016).
I somehow managed to use the HTC 10 up until I bought the Pixel 5 on release day (10/2020).
I was charging the HTC 10 like 3 times a day just get through, and even went back to the HTC One M8 at one point because I had enough, but was waiting for the P5 to drop.
So to answer the question, I do believe it helps.
I do think that Adaptive charging/connectivity help, as well.
I take the view that if I don't need all the capacity on a particular day I charge no higher than 70%, which lands me around 30% end of day. Otherwise I'll guestimate what I need. Off to take some photo's tonight, so will probably charge it to 90% or so.
If you like fiddling around you can use something like Tasker to switch a smart plug that your charger's plugged into on and off at what you consider appropriate battery levels. Makes it all painless once set up. Or you can buy some extra hardware too. I use this in my car to limit the phone's max charge and temperature as, for me, I think most and fastest damage is done in a hot car float charging the phone at 100%.... https://chargie.org/ Not cheap but ok in my mind to hopefully extend the service life of the phone's battery. Less than the cost and hassle of replacing a battery anyway! (I'm not associated with Chargie other than as a customer)
OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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OK, admittedly off-topic, but, this kind of sounds like a variation of the guidance I use for charging my electric car. Don't charge it unless it drops below 80% (so don't keep topping it up), but don't let it go below 20% regularly either. I mostly plug it in at around 60% and let it fully charge. Given the cost of a replacement battery would be more than the total value of the car, I hope this gives me 10 year of life.
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EV metering is set up differently. What shows as 100% is likely a conservative 80% charge. Research for that variant.
A 35-40% low cut off is probably better as going lower generates more heat causing needless stress... unless you need that capacity.
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
Andyzurbs said:
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Turn it off then.
Andyzurbs said:
Just downloaded the accubattery app and then fully charged but it’s estimating 6,401mah. Must be wrong and needs to calibrate over a few days.
I’ve never had any problems charging to 100% before so I’m not stopping now. I’ll be deleting this app if it keeps warning me like it has done.
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Accubattery just provides a guide. See here:
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Hello, I'm using a pixel 6 with two cards sim. When I go to sleep the phone is fully charged and internet/wifi is turned off. When i wake up i have 88% battery (I lose 1,5% per hour). In battery use i see Ims Service. I did a test and in...
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I used to cycle from full to empty on my Pixel 2 before recharging, at about 3 years the battery couldnt last until lunch anymore. This meant more cycling, and I could fully discharge/recharge it 3 or 4 times a day. Within 6 months the battery only lasted 5 minutes, it was stuffed. Phone always hot and needed to stay on a charger 24/7, would turn off if I opened the camera without usb power connected.
Held out about 6 months on a permanent usb battery bank, was such a slog to wait until the Pixel 6 was released.
Hi
Just bought a GT Neo 2 but didn't get the Realme 65W charger. I do have a Samsung EP-'T4510 USB-C Quick Charger 45W + USB-C Cable.
It's obviously not going to charge the phone as fast as an original 65W charger does but it's not charging as fast as I'd expect. Plugged it in earlier at 49% and it was at 91% 40 minutes later.
So what affects charging time?
Charging set up as follows:
1) Using extension lead
2) Using adapter to convert 2 pin EU charger to UK 3 pin
3) Samsung T4510 (45W) and the cable that came with the T4510
Do the extension lead or adapter affect charging time? Also does the cable affect it? Do fast chargers have to be used with a specific type of cable?
The charger/cable has to support the charging protocol of the phone or it will only slow charge.
Best to use a OEM brick/cable no longer than 3 feet.
Battery temperature needs to be high enough at beginning of the charging cycle for fast charging to engage. Minimum 72F, but 82-90F is best.
Fast charging may engage below 72F but Li plating becomes likely. Below about 55F fast charging will likely be disabled.
Above about 103F or about 80% capacity fast charging with be ramped down or disabled.
If screen is on, fast charging is disabled.
A battery fault will also disable it or cause erratic fast charging ie a battery failure.
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The charger/cable has to support the charging protocol of the phone or it will only slow charge.
Best to use a OEM brick/cable no longer than 3 feet.
Battery temperature needs to be high enough at beginning of the charging cycle for fast charging to engage. Minimum 72F, but 82-90F is best.
Fast charging may engage below 72F but Li plating becomes likely. Below about 55F fast charging will likely be disabled.
Above about 103F or about 80% capacity fast charging with be ramped down or disabled.
If screen is on, fast charging is disabled.
A battery fault will also disable it or cause erratic fast charging ie a battery failure.
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Thanks for that.
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Thanks for that.
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Sorry @blackhawk
One more question if you don't mind. Will charging the GT Neo 2 with the Samsung charger damage or reduce the lifespan of the Realme battery?
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Sorry @blackhawk
One more question if you don't mind. Will charging the GT Neo 2 with the Samsung charger damage or reduce the lifespan of the Realme battery?
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Fast charging produces more heat therefore will reduce the lifespan somewhat.
On my heavily used Note 10+ I now replace the battery every year or so to help prevent a battery failure, routine maintenance.
The charging curve is controlled by the phone not the charger. The charging curve should be near identical if both bricks supple the required peak voltage/amps and the phone power controller can communicate with the brick.
Thank you kindly. Much appreciated.
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Thank you kindly. Much appreciated.
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You're welcome. Play with it to see how it works.
Start the charge at about the same temperature then time how long it takes to gain 1 or 2% without turning on the main display. Watch when it ramps down during the charge cycle. It will vary but I see 2%@minute sometimes a little faster at the peak fast charging rate on the N10+.
To extent battery life limit discharge to 30% and top charge to 80%. Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it extents their totals full charge cycles many fold. A 40-67% usage range is near ideal. Limit the current draw; higher current usage stresses the battery more as does back to back discharge/recharge etc cycles with no rest period.
That's one reason it's just easier to replace the battery. When an Li reaches 80% of its original capacity it's considered degraded and has reached the end of its useful service life. It should be replaced. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can seriously damage the device.
Any battery swelling is a failure, replace immediately.
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You're welcome. Play with it to see how it works.
Start the charge at about the same temperature then time how long it takes to gain 1 or 2% without turning on the main display. Watch when it ramps down during the charge cycle. It will vary but I see 2%@minute sometimes a little faster at the peak fast charging rate on the N10+.
To extent battery life limit discharge to 30% and top charge to 80%. Li's like frequent midrange power cycling; it extents their totals full charge cycles many fold. A 40-67% usage range is near ideal. Limit the current draw; higher current usage stresses the battery more as does back to back discharge/recharge etc cycles with no rest period.
That's one reason it's just easier to replace the battery. When an Li reaches 80% of its original capacity it's considered degraded and has reached the end of its useful service life. It should be replaced. Degraded Li's are more likely to fail which can seriously damage the device.
Any battery swelling is a failure, replace immediately.
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That's all very interesting. I have often read about the 30 - 80 range. I used to own a Huawei P9 and always charged to 100 and that battery didn't last more than 2 years. Last phone was an A70 and that'll be 3 years old in June. Started getting random reboots recently and a quick Google said that's most likely down to the beginning of a battery failure. So just got this GT Neo "as new". It was obviously sent back to the online store by original purchaser minus the charger (replaced with a 5V 2.1A charger. Store had no OEM charger listed on site for sale so I agreed to take a the EP-T4510 charger. While it's not ideal that I won't be getting the fast charge of the OEM charger, it's far from a major issue for me, as long as I'm not going to damage the battery with it and I doubt I will. Even less of an issue if all I really need to do is keep it between 30 and 80.
I've read also that a complete discharge every once in a while is recommended but not sure how accurate that advice is.
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That's all very interesting. I have often read about the 30 - 80 range. I used to own a Huawei P9 and always charged to 100 and that battery didn't last more than 2 years. Last phone was an A70 and that'll be 3 years old in June. Started getting random reboots recently and a quick Google said that's most likely down to the beginning of a battery failure. So just got this GT Neo "as new". It was obviously sent back to the online store by original purchaser minus the charger (replaced with a 5V 2.1A charger. Store had no OEM charger listed on site for sale so I agreed to take a the EP-T4510 charger. While it's not ideal that I won't be getting the fast charge of the OEM charger, it's far from a major issue for me, as long as I'm not going to damage the battery with it and I doubt I will. Even less of an issue if all I really need to do is keep it between 30 and 80.
I've read also that a complete discharge every once in a while is recommended but not sure how accurate that advice is.
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Li's are born to die; they start degrading the moment they're assembled. Don't go too nuts, just replace them as needed.
Until I watched someone replace my N10+ battery I was very concerned. However I realized it's relatively easy with the right skillset and tools.
Mind you they say the N10+ is one of the more difficult ones to replace... meh.
Now I don't really think much about it.
hello, so recently I was at my local flea market and I found a somewhat good condition AT&T V30, it was $25 so I thought "why not" and bought it. it seems to work just fine, but the battery dies in 8 hours with battery saver, and it takes AGES to charge, I've had times where I left it charging for 2 days and it only got to 70%, other times it only took 4 hours. I can't tell what's wrong with this phone, can someone tell me how to fix it, because it's actually a fast phone.
Replace the battery. Maybe a charging port pcb issue. Less likely a firmware or mobo failure.
Average Li battery lifespan is 2-3 years. When they reach 80% of their original capacity they are considered degraded and should be replaced before they fail which can damage the device.
Erratic fast charging is one sign of a Li failure.
Any swelling is a failure.