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Anyone figured out the patch,fix,mod to get the sound from the xda2 (gps prompts) to output thru the car kit speaker, or the radio output???
Anyone with the original xda2 car kit will know what I am talking about.
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When you say "original Xda2 carkit", do you mean an official one from O2?
If so, where did you get it from? I've been looking everywhere and can't find a single retailer (including O2 themselves) who are already selling it! Can it be ordered online?
(Sorry this didn't answer your question).
i got the official carkit
and the latest rom 1.66.00WWE
sound is perfect through the speakers
maybe you need to upgrade
I am in australia and it is the original kit from O2. The sound is perfect thru the speaker, but it is only when in a call....no other sounds come thru the car kit speaker, just the phone call. I would like to have all of the audio output thru the car kit speaker.
I cant believe that no one here has a solution for this problem???
Still no one has this same problem??
carkit, navigation and sound
dear shawnthecableguy, baught the expansys carkit pro, installed as requested and as i understand we share the same problem, only sounds of the telephone during calls are emitted throgh the carkit speakers, other sounds (navigation guideness, pda and even incoming call rings) are not, the problem as i understand is in the heandsfre_dll.dll file (in windows directory), we need to change it with a former rom version
Thanks for the reply... I will do some research and let you know what the outcome is. Let me know if you find a replacement dll that works.
Thanks
Have you any pics of this car kit.
What's in the box?
The car kit.
Connection for antenna, radio, power and fix for the kit?
Any luck with sound output?
Has anyone had any luck with this?? :?:
Shawn, what is your rom version?
Akira mentioned (when I look at it; DID he?) he has both gsm and pda sound thru the kit with rom 1.66.00WWE
Some feedback on my new XDA2 carkit I bought from www.telido.de for 137 euro. It indeed looks like the Expansys kit.
Works flawlessly.
Some remarks:
1. Ring-tone is via PDA speaker
2. Phone sounde (after call acceptance) is via carkit speaker
3. PDA sounce (like TomTom directions) is via PDA speaker
4. audio mute (to ground in a call) / acc-out (to 12v in a call) only functions AFTER call acceptance
Since the T-Mobile kit does have these function the correct way, It should be possible to fix this in s/w . . . .
Microfone is very good directive.
Speaker is clear an loud
All in all i am happy especially since I paid 137 euro . . . .
I am using the beta t- mobile rom, but have tried the asia rom as well and it didnt make any difference.
@shawnthecableguy:
WHAT beta?
The 1.72 T-Mobile?
Tried the 1.72 iMate (non-beta)?
I have the 1.60 T-Mobile (was on the device, but can be downloaden from T-Mobile NL)
The thing is that with the official T-Mobile MDAII casrkit, people claim to get all audio thru the carkit speaker.
SO: AFAIK both the T-Mobile MDAII carkit and my (Expansys like) XDAII carkit only use the cradle-like connector which only have few wires for putting thru audio.
In other words: IF this works with the T-Mobile MDA carkit, it should also work with the XDAII carkit. It HAS to be in software, ie. the ROM
Sound on external speaker (a solution)
I also came across the no-sound-on-external-speaker-problem bottom connector when using the bottom connector.
My configuration:
ROM 1.60.00GER, Radio 1.06.01
CAR_ON on ground or not connected at all
rings, sounds only on internal speaker, only phone calls on external speaker
I get all sounds (incl. ring, mp3, ...) through the bottom connector if there is something plugged into the headset connector!
All sound via bottom when headset is plugged is, sounds promising.
Gonna try that in some minutes as I drive home . . .
errrr...
No luck.
I tried the headphone connector of my carkit.
That obviously doesnt make any sense: This connector gets its signal from the flat connector too . . . .
Still looking for a good software version (I read that it maybe is in handsfre.dll)
solution in ROM ?
Hi all,
i've read all the posts 'bout this and still have a litle doubt in my mind. Has anyone tested if v.1.72 works around the "in-call only" sound problem ?
I just received my expansys car kit pro but still not installed, maybe tomorrow if i have the chance. As i'm using tom tom i am interested in a solution to this "flaw"....
btw my specs are:
ROM: 1.72.00WWE (from i-mate )
radio: 1.14.00
protocol: 1337.24
extRom:1.72.126
no luck....
Unfortunately, after a sleepless night installing the kit and half a day in toyota repair shop replacing the car battery, i had no luck. I got stuck with the same "in-call" only sound problem through the speakers....
@Omega77:
what do you mean all sound with something plugged in at headset ?? if a connect something to the xda headset connector i'll get sound through the car kit ?
PS
ups.....almost forgot...
does anyone know who is the manufacturer of the car kit pro sold by Expansys ?
Mine has a sticker and i presume its a company called E-Lead but i can't find them on the net....
maybe we could contact them in Thay and try to get some answers...
:roll:
Hi
Can anybody confirm if sound is wired into the main connector, I currently plug into the headphone / microphone jack plug to get TomTom sounds in the car, but it would be much more convenient to insert just one connector instead of two.
Has the connector wiring diagram been published anywhere?
Cheers
Justin
oops
I have just found it
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/Connectors
Justin
Good luck!
Hi
The wiring diagram from
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/Connectors is incorrect for the Himalya.
I only managed to get sound from one channel, and grounding pin 19 did not switch off the internal speaker.
Does anybody know of another source of the pinout for the connector.
I could buy a http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=108730 but that seems expensive.
Cheers
Justin
Justin,
More than one source confirmed the pinout of the connector is correct for the Himalaya.
Are you sure you did not get thing wrong?
Maybe some other threads (key word "carkit" or "car kit") are of interest for you.
YES sound is fed to the bottom connector
BUT dependent of who you speak with (ie which rom theyre using):
- all sound (both in-call phone and pda)
- in-call phone only
Unfortunately my carkit (O2 XDA II as sold by Expansys) only let me hear in-call phone sound. My rom is the T-Mobile 1.60.00 (1.60.36 ext rom).
Hi edsub
After posting I read about the problem with sound only comming out of the bottom connector when In a call, I didn't try this. Hopefully a later ROM will fix this issue. Until then I will use the headset jack plug.
Cheers
Justin
justinp said:
I only managed to get sound from one channel
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I have the same problem with the original CarKit of the XDA I.
So this could be a general problem....
Stefan
I used to have stereo from the bottomconnector from my XDA 1, but not from my MDA 2...
As far as imknow Edsub is correct, only in-call audio works for now with most ROM's...
Getting all-audio through the speakers seems to be a rare story...
@johan: It sure is a rare story. Especially from the stories that seem to imply that one it getting all sound thru the bottom connector, I only got feedback from one person that claimed this was the case for rom 1.60.00 in combination with the T-Mobile MDAII carkit.
Which makes it even stranger because that same rom is the one I am using (and only having in-call phone audio) . . .
:?:
edsub said:
@johan: It sure is a rare story. Especially from the stories that seem to imply that one it getting all sound thru the bottom connector, I only got feedback from one person that claimed this was the case for rom 1.60.00 in combination with the T-Mobile MDAII carkit.
Which makes it even stranger because that same rom is the one I am using (and only having in-call phone audio) . . .
:?:
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Rare (Eng.) = Zeldzaam (NL.) :roll:
I only read one story of a guy who said Tomtom work through the speaker, i'm afraid the was another mixup about waht speaker. The internal one or not....
According to Mocki on www.ppc-welt.info two pins are important:
pin19 should be grounded
pin9 should be UNconnected
This situation makes the T-Mobile carkit behave like wished:
When there is sound output (no matter what source):
1. radio is muted
2. sound goes via bottom connector to carkit-speakers (or car-audio line-in)
Does anyone know how pin 9 is connected inside the O2 XDAII carkit???
Help - can see any of it!
Hi
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/Connectors just gives me XML/XSL errors, and I cant speak German - really could do with a wiring diagram for the bottom connector.
I have Carcomm car cradles, Nokia Bluetooth car kits (kinda of works now) and a very neat bluetooth head set. I want the cradle to send audio to an aux input on the car stereo so I can play MP3's from the 512 SD card I just got!!
I can drill a hole in the bottom of the carcomm and attach a 3.5mm jack but it would be much better if I could use the connector
Ta!!
Re: Help - can see any of it!
JONTYB said:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/Connectors just gives me XML/XSL errors, and I cant speak German - really could do with a wiring diagram for the bottom connector.
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If you use an other browser than the Internet Explorer (e g. Mozilla) you ´ll be able to see the page....
I made 2 Screenshots of the important part. Hope it helps you....
HTH
Stefan
Wiring for bottom connector
Hii
Thanks for that - something to do this weekend now!!
:lol:
JB
Hi
If that works it will be great, I'm not going to try it until someone else confirms it works as I need to get a hardware guy to do the soldering for me.
So if any of you are going to try it, please remember to post back here.
Cheers
JustinP
For those of you who have grounded pin 19 to get sound out via bottom connector, have you seen this site which sells proper car kits for the blueangel
http://www.thb.de/index.html?lang=en
Note the bit at the bottom of the MDAIII car kit about wavedev.dll, could this be the solution to all sound out via bottom connector?
could someone who has already got pin 19 wired up test this before i bastadise my cradle with wiring of XDA II
Audio out at bottom connector
Hi,
I have just finished my work.
I have grounded pin 19 via 10K resistor and then installed wavedev.dll from the site http://www.thb.de
Now it works well. Internal mic and audio are switched to pins 1 (mic) and 3,4 (audio). I have connected the MDA III via bottom connector to my motorcycle intercom and now I can hear all instructions of my navigate software as well I can telefone with my helmet on.
I had tried it before without THBs wavedev.dll and it was only possible to use the telefone function. MP3s and navigate instructions couldn't been heard.
greetings bombur
So are the pin outs the same as the XDAII? if not could you please provide the full pin out, including power and ground
Hi,
yes, the pin layout seems to be the same as XDAII, MDAII (himalaya).
I have been fooling around with this for months now... to what did you ground pin19?
Thanks,
Dutch
I groudeed it via 10 resitor to pins 16,17,18.
But without the wavedev.dll from http://www.thb-service.de/download/MDAIII/Wavedev.dll there is no chance to get audio output from mediaplayer ond so on.
regards
Cheers! I've downloaded the .dll as well. Nice finding!
Did you do anything with PIN5 (ANALOG GND)?
Thanks,
Dutch
I connected it with audio-
Pins 3 and 4 are audi+
regards
I've tryed using this wavedev.dll to see if i've got any luck sending audio (mediaplayer. tom tom etc) to my bluetooth headset but doesn't work... Just tought it could be something with routing the audio...
I've tryed using this wavedev.dll to see if i've got any luck sending audio (mediaplayer. tom tom etc) to my bluetooth headset but doesn't work... Just tought it could be something with routing the audio...
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I have come across a thread which described a registry hack to output tomtom GPS Sounds etc to a bluetooth headset, but i cannot find it again, but this thread in another forum backs my thinking up http://www.mtekk.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=24624 you should root around the google, it is only on one of three sites, this one, MoDaCo or Mtekk but i know its possible at least
Can you make me one?
I have a PPC6600 (PDA2k, XDAIIs, etc.) and I have a couple questions...
When you unhook the bottom connector from your phone, does the audio go back to the internal speaker and microphone?
Also, when the bottom connector is plugged in, what takes precedence, your bluetooth headset or the bottom connector's audio?
Last, if I paid you could you make me a cable that would have the connector that would feed to :
3.5mm Microphone Plug
3.5mm Stereo Audio Plug
Radio Mute Plug (pin 12 supposedly?)
Power?
My vehicle's radio supports RCA feeds and Radio Mutes, and I would LOVE to get this hooked up...
Lastly, is it possible to pipe out video through the connector? (Just thinking about the XDAII backpack...)
Thanks,
Ryan
[email protected]
Hi rleestma,
>When you unhook the bottom connector from your phone, does the audio go back to the internal speaker and microphone? <
Yes internal speeker and mic are turned on when the connector is unhooked.
>Also, when the bottom connector is plugged in, what takes precedence, your bluetooth headset or the bottom connector's audio? <
Bluetooth headset is preferred, the external speeker works but microfone is only used from bluetooth headset.
>Last, if I paid you could you make me a cable that would have the connector that would feed to :
3.5mm Microphone Plug
3.5mm Stereo Audio Plug
Radio Mute Plug (pin 12 supposedly?)
Power? <
The answer is no. I'm glad, that my connector works. But until this I had disturbed 3 connectors because of my very small experiences in soldering.
I think that every TV or radio store could help you when you tell them the pin layout and how to groud the pin 19.
>Lastly, is it possible to pipe out video through the connector? (Just thinking about the XDA II backpack...)<
I don't have any idea how video can be piped out through the connector.
regards
Hans-Dieter
Thank you... Maybe a few more quesitons?
Thanks for the info!
Perhaps a few more questions then?
Where did you find these parts?
1. XDAIII connector
2. Wire to solder in connector
Secondly, do you have some type of diagram layout and parts list for resistors, power, etc.?
I also have very little experience doing this type of thing, but this is EXACTLY what I need for my little project...
Thank you for your help in advance!
Ryan
Questions on Schematic
Hey there...
when grounding the Car_ON (pin 19) through a 10k resistor, which pin did you ground it to? Was it 15, 16, or 17? The reason I ask is that it seems that incoming power ground needs to be on 15, 17, and 18, so does that mean that the CAR_ON needs to be sent to pin 16?
See what I mean here...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Connectors
Thanks,
Ryan
Hi,
I bought this connector http://www.haid-services.de/pi-680482093.htm?categoryId=49 .
The Cable and the resistor I got in a tv shop.
One pole of the resitor you have to solder to pin 19 and the other pole must be soldered to pin 16, 17 and 18.
Don't use pin 15 for ground from the car charger. It's only used for USB cable.
regards
Yes, I saw that you soldered pin 19 to pins 16, 17, and 18, but the problem is that the positive lead ties into 19, 21, and 22...
So, with that being said, i have two questions... Did you tie power into your setup? If so, then...
1. Do I tie in the positive lead from the car charger into pin 19 at all because it's going to be grounded out?
2. Do I tie in the negative lead from the car charger into all the pins, or only the ones that aren't being tied back into 19?
If you have an example that you used the worked that would be STUPENDOUS... I feel like I just need to have this quesiton answered and I'll be good to go...
Ryan
Can I use this connector, or do I need to use the other one from you?
http://store.yahoo.com/gomadic-new/ipconplug38s.html
Again, if you used power, can you let me know what pins you tied into the positive and negative? maybe a diagram?
Ry
Hi rleestma,
have a look at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/wiki/Connectors
There you can see that pins 20,21,22 are power+ and pins 16,17,18 are ground. Now connect now solder a 10k resitor between pin 19 and (16,17,18) and it should work.
But only if you download the wavedev.dll from www.thb.de
regards
wiring question
last question...
when you were wiring yours up, did you jump 19 right at the connector or did you run everything back to the opposite end of the cable and then run the 10k resistor?
Also, did you tie in the car charger's negative and all the negative pins together at the other end of the cable, or did you run one negative wire to the connector and then split it there? same for the positive...
thanks!
ryan
Hi,
the resistant fits in the connector, so there is no need to use an extra wire to connect it outside to the ground.
I connected the the pins together with solder in the connector.
regards
Hi,
yesterady I recieved my XDA IIs and a THB handsfree cradle for it.
As I noticed that the THB device is only Mono ( the TEl-In at my car stereo is mono too :-() I decided to do a littele modification today. I added a wire for the CAR_AUDIO_R to the connector and added a stereo-out to the THB cradle that now goes into the AUX of my car stereo.
I also added a switch to switch from "normal handsfree" mode to "just AUX" mode. The switch disconnects the IN_CALL, Analog GND and the CAR_AUDIO_L from the THB handsfreeset and connects it to the stereo-out (that is already connected to the CAR_AUDIO_R) I added.
I installed the special wavedev.dll that THB offers so every sound is redirected to the 22 pin connector if the XDA is in the THB cradle.
So far it works as I expected:
If I switch the switch, the radio is not muted anymore when the XDA produces a sound and I can here MP3s in stereo via my aux-in on the car stereo.
The downside:
The audio quality !!! - the signal that comes from the 22 pin connector seems to be pretty poor. I already installed the BASSBOOST plugin (which did improve the bass) but compared to my brothers pretty cheap PNA the sound still is pretty poor.
So my questions:
Any hints to improve the sound?
Are there any software issues (I am not sure what ROM i use ATM because I first wanted to get the HW part running _ is is some unmodified O2 UK ROM).
Are there any hardware improvments I can make here ( I saw that the homebrew Car kit in the wiki part does not just connect the audio pins but adds some electronics there- can that help or delivers the CAR_AUDIO_L/R bad quality in general ?!
Thank you for your help.
Let me know if what additional information can be usefull here and sorry for my english.
Best regards
P.S.: I am looking for the quality because my initial plan was to add also an ASUS WL-HDD with all my music on to get rid of burning CDs and be able to copy the music I want to hear from my desk direct into my car via WLAN.
Hi
The bad audio quality problem was talked about many times in past.
Still, there's no solution. Simply, the bottom connector audio out is designed for GSM Voice only. THB modified wavedev.dll to route all audio to bottom connector.
That's useful for eg. sat-nav, but not for high quality music.
Another problem that ocurred in my BlueAngel during DIY car-kit research, was the IN_CALL signal.
My BA doesn't provide +5V on IN_CALL ever ! Regardless of phone state, CAR_ON state etc...
Unfortunately, I don't have an original THB carkit to test my BA on.
I'm not sure if my BA's IN_CALL signal is dead or something else's wrong :/
Can You at least tell me what ROM version do you use in your BA ?
Hi all,
I've not got my Hermes variant yet, but would like to ask if anyone plans on using this device in the car for example; with the need to charge AND have audio out going to the car speakers.
Since there is only one connector for both charging and audio, is there some sort of 'Y' cable that 'separates' the two connections?
Thanks.
Brodit has an adapter with just charging feature:
http://www.brodit.com/productinformation.jsp?anr=971690
I have just written an email to them if they could put an audio out cable as well. I will update if I get any information.
esackbauer said:
Brodit has an adapter with just charging feature:
http://www.brodit.com/productinformation.jsp?anr=971690
I have just written an email to them if they could put an audio out cable as well. I will update if I get any information.
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Yes, I remember seeing that one...
I would have thought more people may have wanted such an adapter- but obviously not. This is something I would use in my car all the time.
Hi Guys,
Have you considered the 'parrot' car phone kit options? They come in a variety of options, basically each is a Bluetooth car kit, that bonds with your device,transfers the contacts, mutes your cars radio, and pumps telephone calls through the car speakers also, it is in every way a fully working car kit for the Xda range.
I am biased as I retail and install them, but every customer i do installs for, they absoultey love them, as they also bond with upto 5 devices so other phones can be used as well, ie a works phone,
http://www.parrot.biz/united_kingdom/products/index.php?id=advanced
Drop me a line if you need any help ok,
Thanks
Bryson
bryson said:
Hi Guys,
To view and buy all Xda Brodit cradles and proclips, visit my site www.dsldevelopments.com
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You should really fix your site to work with Firefox. It gives the error
Code:
Windows Media Player Plug-in Dynamic Library
The plug-in performed an illegal operation. You are strongly advised to restart Firefox
with Firefox 1.5.0.6 with Noscript 1.1.4.1
Well I think it may be your fault because I've never seen the error before and it is reproduceable.
bryson said:
Hi Guys,
Have you considered the 'parrot' car phone kit options? They come in a variety of options, basically each is a Bluetooth car kit, that bonds with your device,transfers the contacts, mutes your cars radio, and pumps telephone calls through the car speakers also, it is in every way a fully working car kit for the Xda range.
I am biased as I retail and install them, but every customer i do installs for, they absoultey love them, as they also bond with upto 5 devices so other phones can be used as well, ie a works phone,
http://www.parrot.biz/united_kingdom/products/index.php?id=advanced
Drop me a line if you need any help ok,
Thanks
Bryson
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Would these parrot kits route the [musical] audio from my device to the car speakers then? I dont really need a BT carkit since I always have my personal BT handsfree on. My main requirements are those as listed in my original post.
Thanks Ill pass on the notes to the web guy, i use firefox and IE and works fine, is it the How it Works video?
No, it wont route music through your car, not that I have found yet,
You'd need it to support A2DP to play music too. As far as I know there's no headphone support only headset. At least it's only headset on mine.
The Parrot kits and the TyTn
To Bryson:
I have a CK 3000 that has worked fine with all of my phones. However, according to a different thread there seems unfortunately to be a problem with the Tytn and some (all?) of the Parrot kits.
Hi,
Ive yet to test parrot gear with a tytn / hermes etc - nhave you been over to the parrot forums to see if anyone has posted regarding this issue there?
Sorry i cant be of more help,
Bryson!
My parrot works sweelty with my Tytn and my Strtrk. I have the CK3000 unit too.
Y cable wanted!
I want a Y cable too!
Split into audio out, mic in, charge.
Preferably in a brodit carholder!
I'm sure someone can make this, now the phone is sold in Japan, lot's of japanese will want to use their own headsets, so I hope they will invent some nice cables
Im also looking for this same adaptor, so I can charge the device in the car while the adioo output can be used for satnav.
Anyone know of such an adaptor ? (Y cable)
I posted on the Wiki that a Y cable is soon to be available from Expansys. http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=140425.
grayhaze said:
I posted on the Wiki that a Y cable is soon to be available from Expansys. http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=140425.
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Ah nice one, I knew this would be something people would want. But why HTC couldn't integrate this on the device in the first place still baffles me!
This is only my humble opinion.
When I first knew that the TyTn, followed by the next coming other HTC's PPCs (Trinity. Artemis), would not have the regular audio port anymore (Regardless the size, 2.5 mm or 3.5 mm), I was thinking they must be really stupid by taking that away. Since my first PPC, I have been always plug the audio/sound to my car stereo for MP3 and phone calls.
Then I tried to think about the logic, why would they take it away, they must have reasons, being such a high tech company. The most logical reason I can think of, they might want to design a good car kit /desktop cradle for it. Thus, by combining the audio port and the USB sync/charging port, they can create a cradle/car kit that would only have one connector to the PPC, instead of two connections/jacks: the USB and the audio pin. That might be a good idea, same idea like the earlier versions of the PPC, like Wallaby that had the serial connector that can be used for synching, charging, GPS, and audio input/output as well, all in the same connector.
But looking at the connector they made, the one posted above in the expansys, I'm kind of LOL really. 2 USB output, one for power, one for audio? Ha ha ha..
They /any third party, should have design a car cradle and a desktop cradle that not only have a regular USB for sync/power, but also just map out also the audio output to a regular 3.5 mm normal audio connection. And that cradle will be really useful and I would think many ppl will buy it. And for a plus side, just add a GPS module in the same car cradle unit, than its perfect solution.
Just my humble opinion...
Yes, I agree with the above post, what we now need is for someone to design both a desktop and car cradle, where it would have the 11pin, to which one would dock the device and the 5 & 6 pin on the underside.
This adapter is helpful, but it would be more helpful if accepted the standard 2.5/3.5mm plugs and power. I mean, come on, who's going to be listening in their car with headphones?
goestoeleven said:
This adapter is helpful, but it would be more helpful if accepted the standard 2.5/3.5mm plugs and power. I mean, come on, who's going to be listening in their car with headphones?
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Yes good point. As it is, it would mean having to use this adapter to split the audio/charging and then use yet another adapter to convert the mini usb to 2.5/3.5 (if there is such as thing, seeing as the connection now would be the standard USB and not the 'square ended' one).
sh500 said:
goestoeleven said:
This adapter is helpful, but it would be more helpful if accepted the standard 2.5/3.5mm plugs and power. I mean, come on, who's going to be listening in their car with headphones?
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Yes good point. As it is, it would mean having to use this adapter to split the audio/charging and then use yet another adapter to convert the mini usb to 2.5/3.5 (if there is such as thing, seeing as the connection now would be the standard USB and not the 'square ended' one).
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That means we'll also need an USB A<->B adaptor.... Hmmmmmm.......