Hi ...
I've been tinkering around with upgrading the radio stack on my JasJam ... i notice the latest (1.35.00.11) is said to have GPS Enabled ...
What are they talking about ? ... Navigational GPS ? ... and is it a hardware thing included or just a compatibility thing with GPS Hardware ?
Thanks
- Phixx
: Maybe a bit more time reading and less time playing and you'd have discovered this sticky
Sticky: RESOURCES: Upgrading & Flashing / Unlocking / Custom ROM Cooking / GPS
It should enlighten you
No, no and no.
Please read the GPS thread. GPS will never be fuctional with your JasJam unless you buy a bluetooth receiver, but the 1.35 radio stack works fine without it.
.VIBE said:
No, no and no.
Please read the GPS thread. GPS will never be fuctional with your JasJam unless you buy a bluetooth receiver, but the 1.35 radio stack works fine without it.
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you mean tomtom navigator is already working on hermes. the chipset inside the hermes is already activated and working fine with the latest radio rom?
No, i mean the the GPS chip in the hermes will NEVER work. but you can use Radio ROM 1.35 regardless. the GPS part just will never initialise. Buy a bluetooth GPS.
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No, i mean the the GPS chip in the hermes will NEVER work. but you can use Radio ROM 1.35 regardless. the GPS part just will never initialise. Buy a bluetooth GPS.
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great, but then what is "gps enabled" for ?
I've read the related thread but I really couldn't understand.
somewhere it says that the gps chip is working but lack of antenna is a problem.
now you say it will never work ?
mrmrmrmr said:
great, but then what is "gps enabled" for ?
I've read the related thread but I really couldn't understand.
somewhere it says that the gps chip is working but lack of antenna is a problem.
now you say it will never work ?
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I think .VIBE means it will never work in a stock Hermes - if u want to open your phone, fit a new antenna and then wait for developments then it MIGHT work in the future - but no guarantees
I'll go change the Wiki....
My Appologies ...
I am sorry if i came across so niave ... but i have read so many forum threads ... and didn't notice that ...
I do try looking quite hard before i go posting ... which is why i've only posted once
- Phixx
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[V speaking: This thread is for general GPS discussions. Please use this thread to report solid facts. Thanks!]
Today weve learned from the neighbours forum that GPS One is alive and very much kicking... Our Hermes seems to have the same Chipset and same Qualcomm 6275 chip, now the big question is - once our baby brother mastered its GPS, whataboutus (what about us..)..
Any thoughts..
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Saar
Very good question indeed, do you mean we could have a gps inside our hermes now?
This sounds interesting
This isn't new news, and so far there have been zero indications from HTC re: making GPS a live feature on the Hermes...
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This isn't new news, and so far there have been zero indications from HTC re: making GPS a live feature on the Hermes...
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Of course it ain't news.. it's just that at this exact moment I'm uploading the GPS enabled ROM on my Trinity... it is supossed to work in 10 mins.
And henceforce I'm calling all Hermes Gods here.. make it happen for our Hermeses as well... pleeeeeeaaaaaseeeee !!
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Post your result!
EUREKA
hknoener said:
Post your result!
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Guys IT WORKS... to all those unbelievers... I've upgraded the ROM in a chinch, installed IGO 2006 and with trembling hands activated the GPS:
1. Fix was almost immediate
2. Sat. discovery was beyond expectations - 7 Sats
3. Almanach saved (meaning next GPS off/on got me immediate fix)
4. GPS Accuracy (DOP) = 1.2
Now all unbelievers, eat your hats.
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Saar
SaarAvigour said:
Guys IT WORKS... to all those unbelievers... I've upgraded the ROM in a chinch, installed IGO 2006 and with trembling hands activated the GPS:
1. Fix was almost immediate
2. Sat. discovery was beyond expectations - 7 Sats
3. Almanach saved (meaning next GPS off/on got me immediate fix)
4. GPS Accuracy (DOP) = 1.2
Now all unbelievers, eat your hats.
All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Saar
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wow that is some great news! but one question that comes to my head is why on earth would HTC block this feature if the device could do it? shouldnt it be other way arround where they could have used it to make tytn more attractive??? anyhow if the gps thing work my tytn will be perfect!
i||uSi0n^
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All remaining is to adapt DOPOD ROM to our Hermeses. Let's see now what we can do here.
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Dopod ROM with GPS enabled from Trinity won't boot on Hermes. The GPS is enabled by the RADIO (see trinity radio rom versions end in .11). Both devices have similar radio, but AFAIK no one tried to flash a trinity radio on hermes.
See this thread for more information on the GPS in hermes devices:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279151
pof said:
Both devices have similar radio, but AFAIK no one tried to flash a trinity radio on hermes.
See this thread for more information on the GPS in hermes devices:
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Hi Pof, that's exactly what I'm saying, and I don't expect it to be a 1-2-3 thing either.. It's only that about a month ago I published an article investigating the GPS enigma on the Trinity. The investigation has led me to the conclusion that Trinity does have a GPS, but also to the fact that Trinity and Hermes share similar radio and same Qualcom chip with GPS One on board.
So earlier today I get a phone call from a friend telling me of the Dopod ROM for the Trinity enabling GPS. I couldn't wait anymore, fetched me a Trinity, dlded the ROM (while still available..) and in ~10 Mins., Voila, I'm holding in my hands the proof for my investigation and article.
Then I thout to myself..hmm.. next case, now let's prove that this can work on the Hermes as well (a side assumption in my article). If it can, it's gonna make the Hermes the real king of the hill... HSDPA, All-Band, Video-Call, Qwerty, 2MP Macro Cam., Fast CPU...now add a GPS and one has THE best yet PPCPE ever available.
I'll drink for that, .
Saar
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Almost too good to be true
I am all ears let's try this happen...
correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
So will that Rom work on the Hermes? I have the Cingular 8525 and i had an option to download a software for GPS from Cingular for a monthly fee but i just use my BT-338 & iGo.
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correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
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well if its true what you say and that it is sure they will support trinity's gpsOne + given that tytn has exactly same gpsOne = shouldnt tytn be supported too automatically?
i||uSi0n^
Sleuth255 said:
correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe we need buy in from operators too. They support gpsOne by providing the system that crunches raw fixes into positional information. In this case, a hermes would send raw data to and endpoint on (say Cingular's) network and services there would convert to fix & return.
I may be all wrong here but that was how I interpreted gpsOne.
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From what i've understood that's not really the case. gpsOne can function as a normal standalone gps device, with the added feature that it can rely on assistance from the cellular network if it supports it. This results in a quicker fix and better accuracy. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS)
But standalone GPS should be possible!
The only question that remains is:
Is the GPS hardware of the hermes connected in a functional way?
The chips are there, but is there an antenna? And does GPS need a separate antenna? I can't see a lot of differences on internal photo's of Trinity and Hermes.
If all radios use the same antenna and if it's connected to the Qualcomm RFR6250 chip, the trinity radio rom just might enable GPS on Hermes. I certainly hope so.
And where is the antenna in the trinity?
I think we can compare the pictures of hermes and trinity that are in the FTP. If you see they are very similar.
I bet hermes has a gps, but htc didn't advertise maybe because battery problems, software problems or even hardware problems.
But first we need to find where is the antenna in trinity and then,see if we have a similar thing in hermes.
ok, if anyone has the balls to flash a trinity radio on hermes PM me... but this will most likely kill the device, I don't want to try with my hermes
@ionide: tks for the clarification! I just wasn't sure given what I was reading.
@pof: mine aren't big enough... too many unknowns.
We ultimately need a (goldcard?) solution that is guaranteed to bring back a hermes from brickdom...
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@ionide: tks for the clarification! I just wasn't sure given what I was reading.
@pof: mine aren't big enough... too many unknowns.
We ultimately need a (goldcard?) solution that is guaranteed to bring back a hermes from brickdom...
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or ask someone at HTC very nicely for the relevant pointers then let the community do the rest
Off-topic: What is this goldcard thing i keep reading about?
Helloooooo,
There is a new Radio-ROM available for the Trinity; 1.41.00.11.
Can someone tell me if this Radio-ROM is working on the TyTN?
And yeah yeah... I know we have 1.40.30.00 and that the last digit '1' means it is for 'GPS included'.
I know we can not use GPS NOW. But I'm still negociating about modifying my TyTN to add an antenna.
So, can I or not That's the question
tembares said:
Helloooooo,
There is a new Radio-ROM available for the Trinity; 1.41.00.11.
Can someone tell me if this Radio-ROM is working on the TyTN?
And yeah yeah... I know we have 1.40.30.00 and that the last digit '1' means it is for 'GPS included'.
I know we can not use GPS NOW. But I'm still negociating about modifying my TyTN to add an antenna.
So, can I or not That's the question
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There is a newer Radio then 140, you can find at this thread
v1.41.00.10
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303378
I wouldn't use the Radio ROM from another machine, new radio rom's are a popular event, if it was possible to use with a hermes you would have seen Threads to that affect.
You will notice he is talking about 1.41.00.11 which is the gps enabled alternative to the radio you talked about....same radio....just no point in flashing it to the hermes.
Thanks
That's clear. Thanks for the answer.
Hi, today i got my htc hermes. it comes with a samsung cpu.
now i want gps functionality but right now i am a noob on this terrain.
is it possible to geht gps working?
is it possible to get gps working without hardware mods?
is it tricky to get gps to work?
thanks for your help
There is no internal GPS support in the Hermes.
What if we were up for h/w modding?
Possible then?
Marksman said:
What if we were up for h/w modding?
Possible then?
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This has been long discussed in the past. It looks like the chipset has an integrated GPS but it is not connected. Yes, you might be able to open your device, find the right place, iron on a clean enviroment an antenna, find a room for it in the device box and then close it all together and hope to get anything. However, it is much safer and easier to use a BT GPS receiver.
i have heard...
i have heard that the TyTN has an gps module inside but only the antenna is shortened.
instinctless said:
i have heard that the TyTN has an gps module inside but only the antenna is shortened.
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It has but it is far more disabled than just the antenna, there is no power supply and the board is multi-layered which prevents regular hardware mods anyway. Even if you could do it, it would not be worth it IMHO.
There is a long existing thread on this if you want more info.
It's not even close to being a practicable possibility. As suggested above a small BT receiver works very well anyway and you just keep the BT in your pocket so no real inconveniance.
Mike
ok thank you
I want to activate the FM radio, is it possible to install X7501 ROM on X7500 device ?
It will work ?
yes you can
but you must unlock your phone first!!!!!!!
use olipro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=315831&highlight=x7500+unlocker
be sure to follow all instructions
good luck
Anyone have the X7501 ROM?
I will try this to see if the FM hardware is actually in there.
They took the front cam off the x7501, maybe the x7500 does not have FM.
Wonder if it has RDS?
G
GuardianZX9 said:
Anyone have the X7501 ROM?
I will try this to see if the FM hardware is actually in there.
They took the front cam off the x7501, maybe the x7500 does not have FM.
Wonder if it has RDS?
G
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The X7500 has radio chip inside.
yea the rom part is easy. just use oli unlock and flash....
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The X7500 has radio chip inside.
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Which kind of soft can use/play FM radio on X7500 converted to X7501? Could you attach a screen picture catched on Athena playing FM station?
FM Radio
hi, I have an HTC X7501 and reading this post made me wonder if it has a radio chip or if it can play fm radio?
X7501...FM radio??????
O my god....I must find saleman...
he had given me the wrong one
If there really was an FM radio (audio on FM frequency) on the x7501, don't you think we would already have seen some screnshots of it here? An I'm sure it would be one of the hot topics on this forum, like issues, bugs, 3rd-party apps, etc.
Oh well, I myself wish I could listen FM music on my x7501.
Sigh.
-jet
Anything ever happen with this, has anyone ever verified that the FM tuner is in the X7500 and the X7501?
I have a Touch Cruise, can I dunp the rom and extract the FM Tuner software and add it to the X7500 to use the tuner?
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i am actually working on this after checking the service manual and seeing a pic of what looked like a very early athena rom with it. no gaurantees yet as it isnt working yet.
I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.
ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..
Excellent
How did you manage to get GPS to get a fix on this?
thanks
HI Hdubli!
VERY VERY excellent!
...so let me understand: Are you trying to switch on the GPS system inside the Dual?
How can i see the same pics of your?
Thk
hdubli said:
I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.But the Comm Port is very much differrent and now need to b checked further so that the other apps such as Tom Tom, etc can use the port.To my Surprise the Protocol is Qualcomm and Comm Port is SMD 7.Here are the pics attached.
ALso some pics of Wi Fi.
I hope someone here can make it work..
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...you know u become the master of touch when getting this to work...Best luck and keep us informed...
Thank you for your kind investigation
Oh baby!! GPS, wifi and unlock would be the best combination ever
Let us know about your progress at the GPS area...
Good work!
Regards,
LoGiKZ
I used HTC GPS tool and some gps related DLLs.I will post the files and procedure once I get the GPS apps to use that port.
Perfect Hdubli....
You are right about GPS... I've already seen a device with GPS turned ON in Dual....as i wrote in my last post.
Good Luck and keep us in contact!
Bye
Typical, I ordered my HTC Touch on Friday (Arrived today), Then someone posts something like this.
Well thanks to good 'ol Orange My HTC Touch Dual will be here wednesday
I just hope now that this can be acheived, as I didn't really want to loose Wi-Fi, but having GPS builtin will be worth it.
And if I can help by dumping files from either device I'll gladly do it.
the chipset is definetly supporting GPS, but without a build-in antenna, I believe you won't have a good signal
PseudoReal said:
the chipset is definetly supporting GPS, but without a build-in antenna, I believe you won't have a good signal
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Yeah..thats what i thought....hopefully theres an antenna in there.
So hdubli...have you actually managed to get satellite lock?
PseudoReal how can you say it?
Do you think that there is not a built-in antenna in this device?
Anyway... we all are interested in this new stuff!
come on guys... i now you can find the way to un-lock them!!
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So hdubli...have you actually managed to get satellite lock?
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He says right in the very first post that he managed to get a lock using the internal HTC app:
hdubli said:
I did some investigation and made GPS work to get the satellite Fix.
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hdubli, keep up the great work!
You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc
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You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc
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Oh yes!! He will be a hero for sure
By the way, i know that this isn't the right thread, but anyone here knows how can i SIM unlock my dual? and by the way, is there any WWE rom around the corner?
Thanks in advance,
LoGiKZ
IceHack said:
PseudoReal how can you say it?
Do you think that there is not a built-in antenna in this device?
Anyway... we all are interested in this new stuff!
come on guys... i now you can find the way to un-lock them!!
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There is no built-in antenna because of space limitations. I have heard this from a person working for a company selling the DUAL.
Funny how people think.
The qualcomm chip can undoubtedly handle the wifi & the gps.
But the chipset only won't do much good without an *antenna*, for wifi or gps.
You know, the thing that actually gets the signal, just like the one you need to have to watch TV.
An antenna costs money. There is absolutely no way HTC would build a phone with antennas for gps & wifi, without putting support for it in it just for licensing reasons.
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He says right in the very first post that he managed to get a lock using the internal HTC app:
hdubli, keep up the great work!
You will be a hero to many people on this board if you can get GPS working with TomTom, etc
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Oh yeah...sorry missed that.
zeflash said:
Funny how people think.
The qualcomm chip can undoubtedly handle the wifi & the gps.
But the chipset only won't do much good without an *antenna*, for wifi or gps.
You know, the thing that actually gets the signal, just like the one you need to have to watch TV.
An antenna costs money. There is absolutely no way HTC would build a phone with antennas for gps & wifi, without putting support for it in it just for licensing reasons.
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fully agree!
Hasn't IceHack mentioned though that he's seen a dual with Wifi and GPS working with tomtom....which must mean it has the antenna.
Also wasn't it the same with the p3600 at release the GPS didnt work and it wasn't in the specs but later rom updates unlocked the GPS......... and the same with the s730 smartphone,not in the actual specs but present in the hardware.
So im hoping this is the case with the Dual ....all the hardware's there including antenna just needs unlocking with future rom updates or hacks.
Hopefully thats the case anyway..gps and wifi in the dual would be perfect and a great replacment for my kaiser.
keep up the good work.
Yes guys, as I told you I saw a Dual with this functions active!
i'm sure that was not a MicroSd - Wifi or and GPS BT near to the device!
As happened with my P3300 I saw excatly the same ways of connects....
Now, I really don't know how to do that... even if I don't think that HTC's has decided to unmount the antenna but leaving these settings in it!
Don't you think it doesn't make so much sense?!