I was trying to use my X7500 for walking navigation and I am sure that the static navigation here is ON (during slow movement - less than 6 km/h is the change of location not detected or only in large steps). I was searching several forums than and tried several programs (SirfTech, GPSTweak, MMSirf, aplsirf, SirfDemo, BeeLineGPS) with no success. It seems like X7500 can not switch to Sirf mode. Do you have some experiences with this issue?
Thank you very much for your help.
erm....the GPOS chip in here is not a sirf chip, it's a qualcomm GPSone. I don't think it has static navigation.....
Qualcomm chipset? I am really confused - I was reading everywhere that it should be Sirfstar III. So, how is it?
I'm in the doubt too.
At the Dopod U1000 User Manual on Appendix A.3 Specifications at the second page of that section under GPS said "Chipset SirF StarIII with Ephemeris Extension support".
But on the Athena Service Manual (DOC-00026040) said nothing about what chipset is in the Athena. So I guess the GPS Chipset is one of the options the OEM has when asking to HTC for a Athena model (like HTC X7500, Dopod U1000, TMobile AMEO or others).
The Athena Service Manual is funny about this point since mention with deep detail the features of the GPS system like db levels for sample but doesn't mention the maker of the GPS chipset.
Related to the HTC X7500 Advantage I'm in the doubt of what GPS chipset contains. Even at www.europe.htc.com this point is no metioned neither in the web page nor the PDF you can download.
Best Regards,
mahjong
EDIT: Looking at Google many pages said X7500 has SirF StarIII GPS chipset but since that pages are not from HTC and HTC said nothing about it I'm still in the doubt.
Dear Mahjong, thank you for giving me just a bit hope. It would be a big dissapointment for me, if the chipset in x7500 is not Sirf.... does anybody have some more knowledge about this issue? Thank you for any news.
On page 233 of the Ameo manual and in the appendix section you'l read the following:
Chipset : SirF Star111 with Ephemeris Extension support.
Internal antenna : Yes.
GPS Receiver : 20 parallel channels.
OK, I am at home now and tried to open my manual also (at last) and there are the same data (SirF StarIII with ...etc.)
I hope, I can believe it. So the question is back here: how to turn off the static navigation of this GPS?
I tried also to ask directly at HTC support, but it seems to me that they even don't know what is it.... :-(
Any advice more than welcome....
My previous machine was an Mitac Mio a701 and since this was WM5 (like my X7500) got troubles with TT 5 and early versions of TT 6 that don't support properly the WM5 GPS virtual port option... which is linked with the ephemeris system.
The program I used to work in deep with the GPS was SirfTech. If SirfTech don't solve the problem... few more options you will have.
I was reading about the tests I did with my A701 and SirfTech and one thing I consider was improving the accuracy by using DGPS (WAAS). SirfTech helps me to activate the DGPS thing. Have you consider that.
SirfDemo is a great tool too. There is a tutorial in GpsPasSion related to SirfDemo and with a chapter dedicated to Static Navigation. Did you see it?
Is here: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25575
Well, by now this is what I can help.
Best Regards,
mahjong
EDIT: Have a look to this one: http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=39596 MMSirfSetup - MMSirf One click SN ON/OFF and on click WAAS ON/OFF
In the appendix.....
well bugger me....so it does! That surprises me. This thing is nowhere near as quick to pick up a signal as my old Artemis. I'm wondering if this is simply a case of whoever wrote the manual simply copy and pasted again, without double checking the facts. Lets face it, all the manuals in Dutch, Swedish, Danish etc all state that the device includes transcriber and letter recognizer and we all know that those languages dont! The only other GPS device that even mentions the GPS chip is the P3300 and it has the exact same info as at the back here.
Unfortunately, knowing what the device is like, and knowing what tends to happen when the manuals are written, i'm not so sure i believe it..
But in the meantime, until i can find out for definite, I stand (well, sit at a desk) corrected.
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Unfortunately, knowing what the device is like, and knowing what tends to happen when the manuals are written, i'm not so sure i believe it..
But in the meantime, until i can find out for definite, I stand (well, sit at a desk) corrected.
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Yeah but... if you don't trusth on the HTC user guide and fetaures... what else? You should open the X7500 to have a look inside... but anyway the model number could be erased from the top of the chip which is something many companies do whatever the reason.
So? The images of system board at HTC Service Manual don't show any chip with the well-known Sirf logo... but I insist this is a feature that the OEM decide.
Hmmmm... using SirfTech on my X7500 I cannot get Sirf data...
One point for rhedgehog
EDIT: I changed to Sirf protocol using SirfTech and now I cannot access any GPS data. Recerting the change to NMEA using the same program doesn't solve the problem. What a mess!!! A warning: This doesn't looks a Sirf to me so don't mess around with Sirf programs by now.
I will keep everyone informed... let see if I manage to come my GPS back into live.
You see rhedgehog? I learned the hard way. :-DDD :-(((
Uffff Done....
I power off the HTC by pressing the power for 3 secs... then I take out the battery for 1 minute or so.... then reinsert the battery... power on... and...
My OziExplorer display again NMEA data coming form the GPS.
HTC X7500 doesn't look like having a Sirf chipset... and doesn't looks a good idea kidding with Sirf setup programs on it.
Best Regards,
mahjong
Athena (same as most of the current htc lineup?)is supposed to have the Qualcomm MSM6275 gpsOne chipset
http://www.cdmatech.com/technologies/gpsone.jsp
Ok I got it.
My X7500 has a Qualcomm MSM 6275 chipset. This information can be found on the Athena Service Manual. If you access the Qualcomm website and looks for this chipset you will eventually reach this page:
http://www.umtschips.com/products/msm6275_chipset_solution.jsp
This page said that the MSM6275 chipset contains not only the 3G capabilities but the GPS (an A-GPS solution based on GPSone).
In that web page there is information (and a PDF file too) showing that this MSM6275 chipset can manage the camrecorder, GPS, 3G telephony, video and a looooong list of features. I don't knwo how the video stuff link with the ATI Imageon video chipset inside our X7500 but... just access the webpage and read it by yourselves... For sample the MSM6275 contains an ARM core 926 itself so our machine is kind of dual proccesor:
624 MHz PXA270-series ("Bulverde") XScale applications processor
Qualcomm MSM6275 baseband processor
Anyway the combination of Qualcomm MSM6275 and ATI Imageon looks quite common since has been used by HTC in many machines like P3600 and P3300 and our X7500.
So...
1) Forget about Sirf StarIII on our X7500 (and Dopod U1000, Ameos... etc)
2) A big bow to rhedgehog... You were right we were wrong.
3) A question to the manual makers from Ameo, Dopod and HTC... why you mention there Sirf StarIII???? I don't understand that yet.
Offtopic: Another finding... The HTC Kaiser is not running with MSM6275 like ours Athenas... is running MSM7200 which is newer and add support to HSUPA (an evolution of HSDPA) that is suppoused to improve the upload traffic instead only the download (the U and the D on HSUPA and HSDPA).
Best regards,
mahjong
mahjong said:
Hmmmm... using SirfTech on my X7500 I cannot get Sirf data...
One point for rhedgehog
EDIT: I changed to Sirf protocol using SirfTech and now I cannot access any GPS data. Recerting the change to NMEA using the same program doesn't solve the problem. What a mess!!! A warning: This doesn't looks a Sirf to me so don't mess around with Sirf programs by now.
I will keep everyone informed... let see if I manage to come my GPS back into live.
You see rhedgehog? I learned the hard way. :-DDD :-(((
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Only just came across this thread - if I had seen it earlier I would have warned you - we found out the hard way some months ago that the GPS doesn't like being treated as a a SirfStar III. There is a thread about this from several months ago.
mahjong said:
My X7500 has a Qualcomm MSM 6275 chipset. This information can be found on the Athena Service Manual. If you access the Qualcomm website and looks for this chipset you will eventually reach this page:
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A good source for detailed specs is pdadb.net - see PDAdb - Athena
It has the correct GPS details for the GPS.
Didn't HTC find that Sirf III used to much power so the ditched it in favour of the Qualcom set?
Maybe but the question is still there... Why they delivered the user manuals with such an error??? They shouldn't. I mean if you said this is Sirf StarIII and the you mess around with software and got your Athena "brick" you can blame on HTC because of the misinformation (hmmm... is that properly written?)
Best Regards,
mahjong
apd said:
A good source for detailed specs is pdadb.net - see PDAdb - Athena
It has the correct GPS details for the GPS.
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Not sure... looks at this three lines taken from that page:
Interfaces
Expansion Slots: miniSD, miniSDHC, SDIO
Serial: RS-232 , 115200bit/s
USB: USB 2.0 client, 480Mbit/s , USB Series Mini-B (mini-USB) connector
3 features... 3 errors.... You don't have SDIO slot in Athena. You don't have RS-232 interface. And as far as I know is not USB 2.0 but I doubt in this one. At least the USB host is 1.1 I'm sure about that.
But the rest of information is more accurate than other web sites.
Regards,
mahjong
Related
I have been looking through the forum to determine the best combination of receiver + software as a gps solution. Is there a poll outlining the relative merits / demerits for the xda2s?
From reading threads, i feel alot of people use TT5 with a BT338 receiver. Would this be a reasonable solution?
Kind regards
I have BT-338. It work just fine with my tek 9090.
I use the BT-338 with CoPilot Live 5 and it works great on my SX66.
CoPilot Live 6 is too buggy, IMO.
I have not tried Tom Tom 5. But I could not install iGuidance 2.1.2 (I gave up after 3 attempts), TeleType World Navigator has huge breadth but not much depth in its features, and OnCourse Navigator 5 has user interface design problems, poor rerouting (it gets stuck on one path), and it requires manually starting the bluetooth connection each time.
Note: These recommendations might only apply in the USA.
tt5 & bt 77
Hi, my xda2s worked fine with TT5 and a BT77 bluetooth GPS, although the device configuration arrangement was a bit strange. However, that was on wm2003. I can't get any GSM functionality on wm2005 so can't comment on satnav and gps combinations with wm2005.
You will need to check with Tom Tom what support there is currently for Ireland. On the release of TTN5 there was limited support for the North & NO support for Eire. The latest downloadable maps suggest "major roads" of Eire are now supported but these maps are an additional purchase over & above TTN5.
I think i am the only BA user here with one, but i like my SD-501 (SDIO) GPS. its a great little unit, and gets great reception (not to mention better battery life compared to constant BT use!).
Still deciding on software though..
Hi,
Now that there is the TyTN II with GPS.
Isn't it possible to use the RadioRom of the TyTN II on the TyTN to get the GPS chip working?? (with some hardware modifications? wiring the GPS module to the antenna?)
Gr. Binky11
No - 2 different Chipsets.
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No - 2 different Chipsets.
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There is no connection. Hermes uses Samsung chipset while Tytn II i.e. Kaiser uses Qualcomm. Keep using BT GPS mate.
No, Hermes uses Qualcom chipset too (but the other version than TytN II.). CPU is Samsung, but radio chipset Qualcom with some other components.
SPSP said:
No, Hermes uses Qualcom chipset too (but the other version than TytN II.). CPU is Samsung, but radio chipset Qualcom with some other components.
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I though so to
Speaking as one of the participants in the original testing threads and from memory:
Could GPS be activated through radio? Yes.
Could GPS NMEA output be routed through the OS? Yes.
Could we get a decent enough signal to make it viable? No.
Final bit seemingly because of the layout of the hermes it became highly impractical to get a working mod which attached the aerial to the chip.
After all this I got myself a Navicore Slim (Holux in disguise) and went the BT route. It's the only decent way to go with the Hermes, and it's pretty good.
Theres a thread where they went to the level of taking the phone apart.
Correct me if I am wrong here but they found that it had been purposely disabled by means of not attaching an aerial and because its a surface mounted chip its nigh on impossible for anyone to make the hardware modification required without breaking the legs on the chip.
So for all intents and purposes GPS is not possible on the Hermes without an external GPS receiver
Guys,
I have found another settings
Go to Program File -> DopodScv, you can find the "GPSRecorder.exe" file
The program runs under Traditional Chinese character, you may try it out
surely this only works if you have a dopod touch dual?
as your going into dopod scv
Yeah, have it but can't use . Is this another sign that HTC dual has GPS?
It seems like HTC has disabled Wifi, GPS & FM Radio on Touch Dual
Anyway, i'm selling my Touch Dual within these few days... Good luck to everyone
I wish that my finding helps you guys in investigating the Touch Dual, especially the Wifi & GPS
GPS: Why do we need it IN the dual - I much prefer the battery life dividends that my Bluenext GPS receiver brings me. 25+ hrs (quoted) continuous... if it was in the Touch surely it'd be a real battery drain?
WiFi is different though. I respect it's also a battery drain, but I wouldn't have minded that for the occasional use. There's no bluetooth wifi adaptors out there?
Just my take
Lord of the Badgers said:
WiFi is different though. I respect it's also a battery drain, but I wouldn't have minded that for the occasional use. There's no bluetooth wifi adaptors out there?
Just my take
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*cough* Spectec MicroSD WiFi Adapter any use when it comes out??
Perfect, finally the MicroSD version. Problem is that there is no extra space left. I now use a 2Gb card for music and TomTom maps...
Interesting, but wonder how well that would work without an antenna...
As any way Itis not important!!?
NO GPS ANTENNA!!! We know how to Activate and Test GPS in a Qualcomm Chipset!!! NO ANTENNA!!!!
Well done, you've irritated him...
NetrunnerAT said:
NO GPS ANTENNA!!! We know how to Activate and Test GPS in a Qualcomm Chipset!!! NO ANTENNA!!!!
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and also no tranceiver chip
Hi there Guys i know you have all stressed that there is no antenna for the GPS in the touch dual but i would just like to bring to attention one note, in the uk T-mobile happen to offer the touch dual , with a preinstalled navigation software called Copilot live7 which usess the intetrnal GPS, i have also visited the copilot website and they have confirmed compatability with HTC touch dual. so so so anyone got anything to that?
It's true, sort of
Built-in sat nav
With the CoPilot® version of the T-Mobile Touch Plus, you get live satellite navigation with on-screen and audible turn-by-turn directions. CoPilot� is powerful satellite navigation software for your mobile which performs just as well as a dedicated or in-dash navigation system. When your mobile has sat nav you save on two counts - you won't have to pay for a separate device plus you'll save yourself from ever getting lost again.
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I recon they will ship it with a GPS module, just like they did with the Wizard.
Full details: http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobi...monthly/t-mobile/touch-plus-copilot/overview/
it was mentioned in another post somewhere, the guy got a bluetooth receiver with his touch dual
How to activate internal GPS on HTC Touch dual NEON400
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3914337#post3914337
OK I made a quick search in the forum and didn't find anything which is quite a surprise...
I came along with this...
http://www.linpus.com/xampp/webmaster/Products/Linux9.4Lite.htm
Its inside the hardware limitations of Athena and could be running from the miniSD or the microDRIVE.
3G/EDGE, WIFI, Bluetooth, GPS all supported
For all of us using the Athena as laptop/replacement or just have another cellphone for actual phone calls maybe is the best news out there...
It might also support phone calls I don't know!
Also optimized for 4~7 inches screens... WTF???
I don't have the nerves to tested right now as I'm on a trip
Anyone knows more about this???!!!???
Hm...listen nice.
But i will wait, untill you will finish your trip. Then you can test it.
Thx for the informations.
wow that is cool. i would love to do this. but i would have to go back to using my kaiser ) i might give ti a try.
ummm... guys - a quick check reveals that it needs an Intel CPU and 128MB RAM - two things that the Athena doesn't have...
If you take a look at the wiki it looks like we do have the neccesary hardware.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
It shows us having an Intel processor and 128 mb of ram.
MWillis561 said:
If you take a look at the wiki it looks like we do have the neccesary hardware.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Athena
It shows us having an Intel processor and 128 mb of ram.
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I got all hot and excited by this thread but the above statment was correct you will find that the Athena doesn't have the required cpu
although you are correct it's an Intel Xscale, the Xscale cpu is based on ARM instruction sets not x86
Quote from website:
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
CPU
Intel x86 compatible
Intel, AMD and VIA at 366MHz and up
this alone bombs the thought of this linux flavor on the athena.
I agree it's possible to a limited degree i've seen other threads about this idea and the such as qtopia, Opie and similar will run their basic functions on the athena, it wouldnt' support the gsm radio or many other chips already in the athena due to a lack of development specs that haven't been worked out.
I'll never profess to be an expert in linux even though i consider my self as an average user. But i don't know how to develop or program applications in full but i know enough from my old tinkering days that the instruction set of the cpu rules alot
good thinking though =)
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It shows us having an Intel processor and 128 mb of ram.
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The athena hardware is documented here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch
This may sound stupid,but....
Is it possible to boot Athena form any USB pheriperal such as a stick or a cd-rom ?
safak said:
Is it possible to boot Athena form any USB pheriperal such as a stick or a cd-rom ?
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Yes. I'm running qtopia compiled for Universal off the USB stick, and the touchscreen is supported too.
It's also possible to attach the USB keyboard and mouse at the same time,
but then you'd use the external USB hub.
I've bought the USB host adapter exactly for that purpose.
The complete code can be dowloaded from the handhelds.org CVS
(including the ATI SD test driver, which does not work yet)
What about the new Athena that is going to come out?
Would it be able to support this linux platform ? or is the new Athena will be ARM based too?
Thanks
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What about the new Athena that is going to come out?
Would it be able to support this linux platform ? or is the new Athena will be ARM based too?
Thanks
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The new Athena is practically the same aside from its cosmetic changes, software developments and the 16gb drive
Hi chaps,
I'm just wondering which GPS chipset the device uses, and therefore what the spec sheet numbers are for cold start, etc.
jimcpl kindly posted the device's dmesg output in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20531460
but there's no sign of the GPS. Would someone mind posting the dmesg output (or just the tail end) with the GPS up and running so I can see if there's anything in there?
On the Tab 7 the GPS is integrated with the modem, but presumably the Player lacks a modem so it will have the GPS connected somewhere else perhaps more easily accessible from Linux (though one never knows - it might be cheaper to use an existing package even if it's not fully activated)
Thanks
Hi,
I just checked and did another dmesg with the GPS enabled, and also running Navfree, but I don't see anything in the dmesg re. GPS. Do you know what to look for?
Jim
No not really.
I suppose the GPS chip may be directly connected to one of the GPIOs and the firmware and setup is all handled by a userspace library talking to it through a sysfs/dev entry (which are automatically setup by the kernel, without necessarily any indication of what's attached).
Looking at the sysfs might give some clues, but really don't worry too much, I'll do some digging once mine turns up.
Ah, I see that the GPS comms are handled by a library called libgps*.so (can have different suffixes depending on the hw manufacturer), so doing some reverse engineering of this file is probably the next step in order to work out where the chip is attached and what it is.
Interestingly the GPS comms pass through libril as is the case on devices with a modem.
Also vaguely interesting is the fact that "Cell Standby" has used 67% of my battery use (which is ~20% of the battery) overnight. Does anyone know where the UI gets this info from? If it's just summing the CPU time used by some process attached to libril*.so (which would normally handle modem comms, as well as the GPS) that would be fair enough, otherwise it's a conundrum (I guess we don'[t really have a modem in the device which we just can't access....)?
Re chipset, I didn't spot anything in the strings of the various libraries, but I only had a quick look. It is, however, a Broadcom chipset as I can see the function entry points to the static library that Broadcom supply built into libgps*.so.
I must see whether Broadcom supply source (very unlikely) or binaries to the general public and not just large companies....
lardman said:
Interestingly the GPS comms pass through libril as is the case on devices with a modem.
Also vaguely interesting is the fact that "Cell Standby" has used 67% of my battery use (which is ~20% of the battery) overnight. Does anyone know where the UI gets this info from? If it's just summing the CPU time used by some process attached to libril*.so (which would normally handle modem comms, as well as the GPS) that would be fair enough, otherwise it's a conundrum (I guess we don'[t really have a modem in the device which we just can't access....)?
Re chipset, I didn't spot anything in the strings of the various libraries, but I only had a quick look. It is, however, a Broadcom chipset as I can see the function entry points to the static library that Broadcom supply built into libgps*.so.
I must see whether Broadcom supply source (very unlikely) or binaries to the general public and not just large companies....
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No. Broacom is one of the least open-source friendly companies on the planet.
I was considering the Galaxy Player, but if the GPS is from Broadcom I'm not touching it with a ten foot pole.
Assuming it uses the same version of the GPS as the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab (no way I can see to recognise it from the strings in the binary, but if anyone has any ideas I'm all ears), then this is also the same chipset as the Nokia N950 uses, and the N950 runs Maemo/Meego which makes things nicer.
Namely there's a kernel driver for the chipset, but this is just a gateway and one requires the firmware and userspace binary to talk to the GPS chip. On the N950 this is in a binary-only daemon.
So not ideal, but at least a kernel driver possibly exists (I've not checked whether it works on the Tab or Player), so it's a step in the right direction; just some reverse engineering to do now (or for my usecase, which is porting Meego to the device, just see if the binary will run)
lardman said:
Assuming it uses the same version of the GPS as the Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab (no way I can see to recognise it from the strings in the binary, but if anyone has any ideas I'm all ears), then this is also the same chipset as the Nokia N950 uses, and the N950 runs Maemo/Meego which makes things nicer.
Namely there's a kernel driver for the chipset, but this is just a gateway and one requires the firmware and userspace binary to talk to the GPS chip. On the N950 this is in a binary-only daemon.
So not ideal, but at least a kernel driver possibly exists (I've not checked whether it works on the Tab or Player), so it's a step in the right direction; just some reverse engineering to do now (or for my usecase, which is porting Meego to the device, just see if the binary will run)
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It's pretty rare for there to be a kernel driver for anything but reset/power management GPIOs - most of these devices use a serial interface that the GPS libs or userspace daemon talk to.
I can't find any YP-G70 teardowns for more details... Got kinda tempted at BBY today... If it's Broadcom I'm staying away, if it's something else I might go for it.
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It's pretty rare for there to be a kernel driver for anything but reset/power management GPIOs - most of these devices use a serial interface that the GPS libs or userspace daemon talk to.
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Yep, certainly there's still work to do, but knowing how to power the device up is a nice freebie, rather than needing to reverse engineer that too.
Entropy512 said:
I can't find any YP-G70 teardowns for more details... Got kinda tempted at BBY today... If it's Broadcom I'm staying away, if it's something else I might go for it.
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It's definitely Broadcom I'm afraid, the libgps.so strings contains a load of functions that appear to come from Broadcom (I can't list any right now, it's on a different computer, but can do so this evening if you're interested)