I've been modifiying PDA phones for a while now but this is something I can't get over/should have expected from Sprint. GPS is present yet unusable on my Titan. I just now unlocked my titan and flashed to dcds 1.5.7/1.40.0 and I am hoping to be able to use the GPS with tomtom 6.
The thing that puzzles me is I read a post stating an indiviudal was using tomtom 6 on his mogul! how did he do it?
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I've been modifiying PDA phones for a while now but this is something I can't get over/should have expected from Sprint. GPS is present yet unusable on my Titan. I just now unlocked my titan and flashed to dcds 1.5.7/1.40.0 and I am hoping to be able to use the GPS with tomtom 6.
The thing that puzzles me is I read a post stating an indiviudal was using tomtom 6 on his mogul! how did he do it?
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he must be using a bluetooth gps device
so for now there is no way out? Is there any revision of this phone (Alltell, etc.) that has GPS enabled for application use?
av0, let's set the record straight here for a moment.
The mogul uses new hardware- chips that haven't been seen inside of Windows Mobile devices before. These chips allow services that haven't been available before either, such as EVDO rev. A and possibly assisted GPS.
Now, these chips may be capable, and HTC may be able to write drivers for it, but Microsoft never released the proper modules to control and take advantage of them. So, in the case of Rev A, we're waiting for MS to update some of their code so that HTC can release a new firmware, which will then be distributed to Sprint, Alltel, VZ, etc...
But for now, we have to play the waiting game. It doesn't exist on ANY carrier just yet!
Now, the GPS is the same thing... this particular GPSOne chip is new to the windows mobile scene. It supports some pretty nifty modes, including real stand alone GPS with an assisted mode- IE, uses the tower triangulation to get an even faster fix, then switch over to standalone mode (as opposed to the traditional way which is currently found in some PPCs, in which getting the initial fix can take up to 5-10min). Its in the chip specs to do this, but as far as I know MS's GPS modules only support standalone GPS information (no assisted faster fix), and its only been a rumor that Sprint/HTC would actually take advantage of this capability anyway. Either way, the phone was released before Windows Mobile was ready to use these higher-end features. We're waiting for them to catch up.
In the mean time, they removed GPS from the advertising, and Rev A has always been "coming soon".
Sit back. The rest of the phone finally works great now (thanks to 2.17 ROM, and a lot of great custom roms based on it), so one thing at a time. This great phone is going to get even better soon!
Concerning GPS...
Our Titans have the chipset for it and according to this FCC document, some of us (excluding Sprint Moguls) may have the antenna as well.
Someone in this thread extracted an Italian version of Kaiser's GPS files which I installed one morning and after playing around with it for about an hour, I couldn't get anything going. My Titan is cradled next to a large window all day and by early afternoon, I noticed a GPS icon in my top bar. When I picked up the phone, it went away and I was never able to reproduce it. I have no idea if it means I was receiving a GPS signal, but I'm hoping developments in activating the Touch Dual's GPS could lead to a working solution for Titan.
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Concerning GPS...
Our Titans have the chipset for it and according to this FCC document, some of us (excluding Sprint Moguls) may have the antenna as well.
Someone in this thread extracted an Italian version of Kaiser's GPS files which I installed one morning and after playing around with it for about an hour, I couldn't get anything going. My Titan is cradled next to a large window all day and by early afternoon, I noticed a GPS icon in my top bar. When I picked up the phone, it went away and I was never able to reproduce it. I have no idea if it means I was receiving a GPS signal, but I'm hoping developments in activating the Touch Dual's GPS could lead to a working solution for Titan.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Touch Dual have the same chipset as the Kaiser?
The Titan uses a slightly modified Qualcomm chip for CDMA, and as such it should not be any suprise that the drivers from the GSM chipset don't work.
I'm of the opinion that the GPS control part of the chips are not the same because of the way CDMA uses the Assisted part of AGPS. Trying to port drivers from another existing device is a fruitless effort as no one has yet written drivers for our particular chipset.
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME.
Just sit back and wait for Sprint or someone to release it first. Then we can start porting it to all the other devices with this chip.
good bit of info on this thread. thanks guys
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The Titan uses a slightly modified Qualcomm chip for CDMA, and as such it should not be any suprise that the drivers from the GSM chipset don't work.
I'm of the opinion that the GPS control part of the chips are not the same because of the way CDMA uses the Assisted part of AGPS.
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if this new update from sprint/htc brings rev a and GPS, will that make it possible to enable the GPS on the verizon xv6800 (by flashing the rom or whatever it takes)
OMG the doors to the heavens above have opened.
I'm not even asking for that much! I just want the phone to not lockup and I want to hear my callers on bluetooth! This phone was so rushed out the door is shows bad.
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I know Sprint says "soon", but has anyone heard rumors when we can expect the EVDO Rev.A upgrade for our Moguls?
i would like to know as well
I heard November, but that's optimistic. Might not be until Q1 08
According to some SPCS RF engeineers I spoke with at my corporate office the other week, EVDO Rev. A was turned on in my area on August 15th however they said it takes atleast 30 days to optimize the towers. So I'd expect sometime after Sept. 15th.
evdo rev a in your area has nothing to do with a mogul ROM.
Thanks folks. I guess we just need to be patient
Fingers crossed they add some more goodies to the upgrade (enabling GPS would be nice).
No GPS for the Mogul until 08.
hey, where are you getting this info from? I think that the Rev. A update should come out when the HTC Vogue drops for sprint, but I am not sure about the GPS, because Telenav has started selling an external GPS reciever for it(6800).
TomTom doesn't work now?
I read where people use like tomtom and garmin xt with a reciever and works fine? Is it that mogul just doesn't have builtin receiver?
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I read where people use like tomtom and garmin xt with a reciever and works fine? Is it that mogul just doesn't have builtin receiver?
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It should have a built in receiver, it just isn't activated (or it may not have a GPS antenna). External receivers work just fine, but having it integrated would be much nicer of course.
i love how everyone seems to think they "know" when it's coming and what to expect. The fact is that there has been no official date or even an "official" estimate as to when we can expect it. Every person you ask has a different answer and everyone swears their source is legit. Well..... times ticking and no one's been correct yet.
On SprintUsers, one user is saying Oct 15th, for both Rev A and GPS to be added in the update.
--James
My Sprint contacts once told me that the RevA update would come via a PRL? I'm not sure how that could be done but from reading here, it sounds like a bunch of bunk.
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My Sprint contacts once told me that the RevA update would come via a PRL? I'm not sure how that could be done but from reading here, it sounds like a bunch of bunk.
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That is indeed BS.
It has to be through a radio rom upgrade, and those still can't be done OTA.
I suspect it'll be an an entire rom upgrade package that'll also take care of some bugs.
Rev A has been active in KC, Miami FL and a few other locations sense last years super bowl. 6800 is Rev A compatible and a PRL update will give you access to Rev A.
Well a new PRL came out at the end of last week, the version is in my sig, I don't think that's it though...
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Rev A has been active in KC, Miami FL and a few other locations sense last years super bowl. 6800 is Rev A compatible and a PRL update will give you access to Rev A.
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I simply don't believe that a PRL update is all it needs. It has to be enabled in the Radio, Rev.A has been in some cities for ages and it wouldn't make sense to not have it enabled in the PRL's of the mogul.
PRL is just a prefered roaming list... as an end user, you don't see any benefits. The Mogul (6800) already know which towers are Rev.A, it just doesn't take advantage of it... yet. The upcoming sw will update the radio to take advantage of Rev.A
I agree. I rom update is needed. I've heard from a Sprint rep they had planned on a Rev A. update for the Mogul 9/28 (but that might not be true, we all know how Sprint rep do)
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PRL is just a prefered roaming list... as an end user, you don't see any benefits. The Mogul (6800) already know which towers are Rev.A, it just doesn't take advantage of it... yet. The upcoming sw will update the radio to take advantage of Rev.A
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Wrong, how could the PRL not effect the user.
yea, im dumping the tilt and going for the mogul. plans seems to be a lot better and phone is cheaper. I would like to know if it's a good time to buy this phone. I was reading something about the Rev A. I could have sworn i read something saying it's out and available. I live in Jersey City, NJ btw, if that helps somebody determine if my area has it. Also, I also read it will have GPS. As far as I'm concern, it has that 911 chip inside that cops use to locate you or the satellite actually tracks where you are with it. Sprint uses that for their GPS service. So... should I buy the phone now or wait for an upgraded one, if there is an upgraded one?
1. No GPS native. I use a BT receiver and it works great.
2. It should be available all over.
3. No Rev A until 2008 (based solely on rumors...no facts to its rollout have been officially released).
4. I think you are crazy for trading a Tilt for the Mogul. I walked into an AT&T store to see a Tilt and I am jealous...
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4. I think you are crazy for trading a Tilt for the Mogul. I walked into an AT&T store to see a Tilt and I am jealous...
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You can have the neatest phone in the world, but if you can't get a signal, it's useless!
I had some cool GSM phones on AT&T's network, but even with a 3g card on a 3g phone, barely ever got a usable signal, and oftentimes averaged less than 10kbs - yes, slower than dial up!
BTW, this was from pretty large suburbs outside Detroit...
I guess you are right...I was looking at it more from a purely phone perspective...
Ill trade you my mogul for your tilt! (used for a month, never activated, perfect condition, etc)... <3 128MB
Anyone having signal issues with Radio 3.42.30? I have the verizon xv6800, and i am dropping calls and having signal issues left and right where i never had issues before with any Verizon phone?
I dropped only one call, and that's when I was at home over the 4th. I have terrible service at home (usually no bars even show, 1 at the most), so I can't really say much. You want want to try the whole M.IP settings fix that everyone has been doing, it might help.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=406041
See if doing that stuff helps any (i know it seems slightly irrelevant, but it can't hurt to try)
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...i know it seems slightly irrelevant, but it can't hurt to try
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is it more irrelevant that 1 of the settings that supposedly needed to be changed was already correct by default? does that mean i shouldnt be having any issues and i just wished i had better service than i do? haha
How I did it:
Write down all the settings you currently have. WRITE THEM DOWN.
Change all M.IP settings to wrong values. Save, and if it dosen't tell you SR the phone.
Upon reboot, wait 15min and set the settings back to what they are supposed to be. SR if it doesn't tell you to.
Now, It took me like 10-15 of these cycles in order to get my phone to work... I don't know if it was my phone, the ROM, or VZW sucking. But now I get instant service, and plenty of bars.
I'm on Sprint and not having any issues at all - the only change I've noticed is faster GPS locking. I also have crappy service due to location, but when I'm not at that location, it's been working flawlessly. No dropped calls.
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Since switching over to the new Radio I'm having dropped calls, VERY poor reception, and almost no bars in areas where I usually have great signal... frustrating, I'm going to downgrade as soon as I have the chance
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Since switching over to the new Radio I'm having dropped calls, VERY poor reception, and almost no bars in areas where I usually have great signal... frustrating, I'm going to downgrade as soon as I have the chance
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I'm having the same probs (Sprint) I switched back to an older radio and it was fine again.
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I'm having the same probs (Sprint) I switched back to an older radio and it was fine again.
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Dont you have to worry about certain ROMS and older radio's
I've also noticed that when I try to use the internet at home my internet sometimes refuses to work because the signal is too low when it always worked great before.
Also, this may be the source of my text messaging issues (have to resend about 4 times sometimes before it goes through).
I live in the country and have never got great signal but I didn't have as many issues before. I'd rather not downgrade... is there a newer radio ROM out somewhere I could try?
If I were to downgrade, any suggestions on which version to use?
Over the past few months starting just before 3.37 was released my signal went to unusable phone at my house. I was using 3.39 with the same results but was happy with the radio all in all. I bought a touch using 3.37 by default. It still had crap signal at my house but better then my titan I could atleast stay on the internet. I put 3.42.30 on my titan and my signal went from 0-1x to 1-2EVDO instantly. Now my phone acts like it used to the day I got the thing. I can kinda use my phone again lol instead of useless.
lost signal
i have had 5 dropped calls where i usually get great signal. and GPS still takes time to fix but does seem to be quick. I DEF lost signal strength when upgrading.
How many that upgraded are on Sprint vs. VZW..?
As I read the posting, I've noted that it seems that (unless I'm wrong...) those reporting improvement are currently Verizon Wireless users, and those with more dropped calls, etc. are Sprint users. Am I reading between the lines here, or is that accurate? If so, then those of us that are VZW customers should do the upgrade to the 3.42.30 Radio...! (and those of us on Sprint - should not.)
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As I read the posting, I've noted that it seems that (unless I'm wrong...) those reporting improvement are currently Verizon Wireless users, and those with more dropped calls, etc. are Sprint users. Am I reading between the lines here, or is that accurate? If so, then those of us that are VZW customers should do the upgrade to the 3.42.30 Radio...! (and those of us on Sprint - should not.)
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I'm on Telus in Canada and have worse signal as far as I can tell.
I'm on Sprint and everything works great, GPS is better!
As I read the posting, I've noted that it seems that (unless I'm wrong...) those reporting improvement are currently Verizon Wireless users, and those with more dropped calls, etc. are Sprint users. Am I reading between the lines here, or is that accurate? If so, then those of us that are VZW customers should do the upgrade to the 3.42.30 Radio...! (and those of us on Sprint - should not.)
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If what you're saying is true, it's a coincidence.
Okay... let me be more direct...
Sandy Korda said:
As I read the posting, I've noted that it seems that (unless I'm wrong...) those reporting improvement are currently Verizon Wireless users, and those with more dropped calls, etc. are Sprint users. Am I reading between the lines here, or is that accurate? If so, then those of us that are VZW customers should do the upgrade to the 3.42.30 Radio...! (and those of us on Sprint - should not.)
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Those of you who've upgraded to the new 3.42.30 Radio...
1. What carrier are you with?
2. Did you notice any improvement, and if so - what? Please describe.
Thanks from all of us.
I am on Verizon. Switched back to .02. .30 was not working well for me. .02 works much better, GPS and service wise.
Sandy,
I'm on Verizon and use 3.42.30. There are noticeable improvements in both GPS lock time and overall signal strength.
My coworker is on Sprint, uses 3.43.30 and also notices an improvement in signal strength (GPS lock time is moot for him as Sprint uses aGPS and his lock times are near instant).
XV6800 with 3.42.30 and it seems no better/worse than it was before. GPS does work now, it didn't previously when 3.42.02 was loaded (It did with 3.35 too).
VZW
im on Verizon, and 2 different units verified the poor signal and dropped calls. i used to get great signal with old drivers maybe could be something else...
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Hey there,
I have had this issue since I got my hands on my Atrix but it still bugs me that the issue has never been fixed. Others also still have these issues, but I hope that with our talented devs, a fix can be found.
When connected to my home WiFi network, Internet works fine.
When I disable WiFi on my phone, Data won't reconnect and the H icon won't reappear.
When I walk away from my WiFi range, Data again doesn't reconnect like it should.
When using data, after a minute or two the Icon will start to show repeated attempts of uploading data when I click something, but will never download anything, causing my website or app to hang and eventually time out. This is oddly fixed by me going to my APN settings, editing Vodafone Australia (my internet apn) but not changing anything and then going settings > save. Causing data to disconnect and reconnect correctly. (most of the time)
This is very annoying. I can stay connected to data for a max of 5 minutes, and I know it's not the network as my friend with a GT540 Optimus can stay connected for hours at a time at the same place in the same conditions.
If any dev can help then it would be greatly appreciated (or if anyone knows of a fix), I am willing to help test anything created and also provide any logs that may help narrow down the issue (although I made need assistance in retrieving those logs as I've never tried) in addition, the mods used on my phone can be found below in my signature except the radio info which is 1.77.30P
You can contact me on this thread, PM or rarely in the freenode chat
Thanks for your time.
- DarkRyoushii
is there really nothing I can do to help? This issue alone is making me consider selling up and buying a SGS2 or Sensation, since I rely heavily on a constant data connection.
I guess my only option is to wait for CM7 and hope that fixes the issues I'm seeing..
Wifi connection at my house is a pain. It won't connect to it at all unless I go into the wifi settings menu and turn it on from there. I also have problems with it losing data connection when going into the Market or Navigation...which was pretty bad on my trip to Arkansas. I just thought it was my Atrix.
Personally, every Android phone I have owned has had glaring hardware/software issues EXCEPT my Inspire. I'm switching to Apple. *prepares to be flamed*
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Wifi connection at my house is a pain. It won't connect to it at all unless I go into the wifi settings menu and turn it on from there. I also have problems with it losing data connection when going into the Market or Navigation...which was pretty bad on my trip to Arkansas. I just thought it was my Atrix.
Personally, every Android phone I have owned has had glaring hardware/software issues EXCEPT my Inspire. I'm switching to Apple. *prepares to be flamed*
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LOL, i won't flame you. Android vs iOS is the same argument as Windows vs MacOS.
It's a "Features" vs "Stability" trade off. Apple maintains better stability by cutting down features, locking things down and limiting usability <- not that hard to accomplish. Try to work in Windows 7 under non-admin account and without installing useless crap. You will be surprised as to how smooth and nice everything functions.
But for me, Android / Windows feature list wins by a large margin. I've only had one frustratingly buggy Android phone and it was a Droid 2 Global. Again, not Android's fault but Motorola's for releasing crappy software.
Anyway, if stability is your main goal, then iPhone is the phone for you
You might want to also try a Nexus phone (perhaps Nexus 3?). I've heard they are supremely stable. (never actually owned one )
p.s. I've seen a quote by someone on here, that half the fun from owning an Android phone is modding it. And for me that's 100% true.
DarkRyoushii said:
is there really nothing I can do to help? This issue alone is making me consider selling up and buying a SGS2 or Sensation, since I rely heavily on a constant data connection.
I guess my only option is to wait for CM7 and hope that fixes the issues I'm seeing..
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Is that the right radio for your phone?
I thought the 30p was for AT&T only? Could this be your problem? You may need an international radio.
I know you have an unlocked AT&T, but I thought the radio was carrier specific, and not phone specific.
I could be wrong though. My wife tells me I am always wrong!
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Is that the right radio for your phone?
I thought the 30p was for AT&T only? Could this be your problem? You may need an international radio.
I know you have an unlocked AT&T, but I thought the radio was carrier specific, and not phone specific.
I could be wrong though. My wife tells me I am always wrong!
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hmm that seems like a good idea, but can I even flash an international radio on an AT&T handset? Also Vodafone Australia uses the exact same frequencies that AT&T use except AT&T 4G is considered Vodafone 850.
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hmm that seems like a good idea, but can I even flash an international radio on an AT&T handset? Also Vodafone Australia uses the exact same frequencies that AT&T use except AT&T 4G is considered Vodafone 850.
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Someone more technically minded with the Atrix will have to answer this. I thought the hardware was the same, so in theory flashing the wrong radio shouldn't do anything but give you data loss if it doesn't work. Then again, I am frequently wrong.
<edit> This might help: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1652182
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Someone more technically minded with the Atrix will have to answer this. I thought the hardware was the same, so in theory flashing the wrong radio shouldn't do anything but give you data loss if it doesn't work. Then again, I am frequently wrong.
<edit> This might help: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1652182
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epic find. that's my post on an old user handle which I haven't bothered to change yes, I won this phone but so far it's been quite bugged. I originally thought that I was given a prototype/dev model since they shipped it before it was released but now I know that's not the case.
If you chose other reason, please let us know why
Product page: http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/it-mobile/mp3-player/smartplayer/YP-GP1EW
Guys, let me tell you this: Samsung announced the devices that are gonna be on JB and they dont gonna update this neither. They did this with our players and they are gonna do it again with this. Buy something else. A galaxy nexus Or a nexus 7 are betters options
If you dont believe me read this: http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...more-devices-soon-including-the-galaxy-music/
The galaxy music is a cellphone not this device
If the price is right, i will get it, but i doubt Samsung will release it for International market.
I'm waiting to see what they finally release. I've been thinking about getting a Galaxy Nexus and just using that.
tbh, I was gonna wait to purchase it instead of my 4.0, but I thought about the price + the chance it probably wouldn't fit in my pocket.
It's probably gonna be around $300 on launch (although I'm not sure) and I only had $200 at the time of purchasing my 4.0.
There was a company called Yepp in Korea and it's Samsung's.
It's a MP3P company and that's why our devices are like "YP"-G70 or else.
And Yepp company takes care of our device and firmware kind of stuff.
This means that Samsung is not really fond of MP3P as they are toward its phone, Galaxy S series.
I wouldn't recommend people to buy MP3P from Samsung. Cellphones I will recommend, but...... MP3P?
I'll have to ponder about it.
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There was a company called Yepp in Korea and it's Samsung's.
It's a MP3P company and that's why our devices are like "YP"-G70 or else.
And Yepp company takes care of our device and firmware kind of stuff.
This means that Samsung is not really fond of MP3P as they are toward its phone, Galaxy S series.
I wouldn't recommend people to buy MP3P from Samsung. Cellphones I will recommend, but...... MP3P?
I'll have to ponder about it.
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Actually, YEPP is not a separate company. That's the name they've given to their PMP (Portable Media Player) line. YEPP is an acronym for something, but I forget what it means.
As for the Player 5.8, I speculate that it will be at least six months for it to release in international markets, because that's how long it took between the release of the original Galaxy Player in Korea and the West.
I am definitely going for the Galaxy Note 2. I am very reluctant to buy another Galaxy Player from Samsung again, as they charge full price for obsolete hardware and leave their customers in the dark with upgrades
I'm probably getting an ipod touch then, even though I don't really like is and the small screen.
The thing is it's too expensive, I would've bought the $200 16 gb if Apple released it.
Still waiting to see how are they gonna price the ipad mini lol
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I would have gotten an ipod touch this go around but they keep on neglecting GPS. Which is the one thing that would make me switch. Maybe next time apple.
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I would have gotten an ipod touch this go around but they keep on neglecting GPS. Which is the one thing that would make me switch. Maybe next time apple.
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Lol I don't even know what gps is.
What is it? How is it different from location service? How is it useful?
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Lol I don't even know what gps is.
What is it? How is it different from location service? How is it useful?
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GPS stands for "Global Positioning Satellites" and these satellites are the key to identifying your location on the earth. Devices with GPS have an additional part within them that allows your device to communicate with the satellites, and as a result the GPS satellites are able to pinpoint your coordinates on earth. Without a GPS receiver your device cannot communicate with said satellites, so no GPS positioning is possible outside any facilities. And, I say that because without a GPS receiver, the only other way to track your location is via your Wi-Fi connection. So, the location services you mentioned…I just explained them for you.
P.S. - Most technologies that exist as commodities now were first invented by the U.S. military. GPS is one of those technologies, as well as the Internet.
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GPS stands for "Global Positioning Satellites" and these satellites are the key to identifying your location on the earth. Devices with GPS have an additional part within them that allows your device to communicate with the satellites, and as a result the GPS satellites are able to pinpoint your coordinates on earth. Without a GPS receiver your device cannot communicate with said satellites, so no GPS positioning is possible outside any facilities. And, I say that because without a GPS receiver, the only other way to track your location is via your Wi-Fi connection. So, the location services you mentioned…I just explained them for you.
P.S. - Most technologies that exist as commodities now were first invented by the U.S. military. GPS is one of those technologies, as well as the Internet.
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So with gps you can use mapping/location app offline (no Internet access needed)? That would be great for turn by turn direction
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So with gps you can use mapping/location app offline (no Internet access needed)? That would be great for turn by turn direction
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Yes. I remember back in the day, when I still had my HP iPAQ, I was using TOMTOM maps for navigation. At that time, no handheld devices came equipped with internal GPS receivers, so I had to buy a Bluetooth GPS receiver to use with TOMTOM.
Nowadays, most devices (but, I guess not iPod Touches) come with internal GPS receivers, allowing for offline navigation if you have the available maps cached on your device.
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So with gps you can use mapping/location app offline (no Internet access needed)? That would be great for turn by turn direction
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There are basically three ways to identify you location on the face of the planet - when you are connected to a wi-fi hot spot, its position can be identified (not yours, so it's appriximate), if your device has a gsm radio, so it can connect to a cellular network, then it can identify your location by your proximity to the nearest towers on this network, it's called agps and many devices nowadays use this to identify your approximate position on the globe, because it's quick, and once they know your approximate position, they use gps to get your precise location. Well, and the last one is gps, which was already explained, a gps chip inside your device talks to satellites in the space to calculate precisely where you are. The advantages of this method is that you don't need to be connected to the internet via wi-fi or 3g, it uses less energy, so lasts longer and gives you more freedom. You need to have some kind of mapping software to be installed on your device for this method to work (like abovementioned excellent TomTom or Garmin or iGo, there's a whole bunch of them), but once you have one of these, you have a full featured car/personal navigation kit, with voice guided turn by turn navigation anywhere in the world where you have map coverage.
BTW, SGP 5.0 makes and excellent gps!
baladev said:
There are basically three ways to identify you location on the face of the planet - when you are connected to a wi-fi hot spot, its position can be identified (not yours, so it's appriximate), if your device has a gsm radio, so it can connect to a cellular network, then it can identify your location by your proximity to the nearest towers on this network, it's called agps and many devices nowadays use this to identify your approximate position on the globe, because it's quick, and once they know your approximate position, they use gps to get your precise location. Well, and the last one is gps, which was already explained, a gps chip inside your device talks to satellites in the space to calculate precisely where you are. The advantages of this method is that you don't need to be connected to the internet via wi-fi or 3g, it uses less energy, so lasts longer and gives you more freedom. You need to have some kind of mapping software to be installed on your device for this method to work (like abovementioned excellent TomTom or Garmin or iGo, there's a whole bunch of them), but once you have one of these, you have a full featured car/personal navigation kit, with voice guided turn by turn navigation anywhere in the world where you have map coverage.
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You are correct, in a sense, to say that there are three methods of location detection. However, I respectfully disagree that location via tower belongs in the same boat as GPS and Wi-Fi detection.
Location detection via wifi is exact down to a few feet, which is based on an IP address. GPS tends to be very accurate, and depending on certain variables can be off by a few hundred feet.
Towers, as you mentioned, are more or less a means to an end. It offers a very, very general idea of location, but can off by up to miles. Again, as you mentioned this rough idea of your location is then more precisely pinpointed by GPS satellites.
Lol there is somebody who does not what is gps..i use GPS in my player 5.0 a lot with "my track" application ..and off course you can install some offline navigation for car ..i use IGo because it has best maps for my country ..(in apple maps in my country my town of 200 000 people does not even exist ..there is no on the map ) but for car i use tablet for navigation..bigger better hh.
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Higgs_Boson said:
You are correct, in a sense, to say that there are three methods of location detection. However, I respectfully disagree that location via tower belongs in the same boat as GPS and Wi-Fi detection.
Location detection via wifi is exact down to a few feet, which is based on an IP address. GPS tends to be very accurate, and depending on certain variables can be off by a few hundred feet.
Towers, as you mentioned, are more or less a means to an end. It offers a very, very general idea of location, but can off by up to miles. Again, as you mentioned this rough idea of your location is then more precisely pinpointed by GPS satellites.
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Location via 3G gives me very accurate position in town to 10m but you can do any navigation
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Higgs_Boson said:
You are correct, in a sense, to say that there are three methods of location detection. However, I respectfully disagree that location via tower belongs in the same boat as GPS and Wi-Fi detection.
Location detection via wifi is exact down to a few feet, which is based on an IP address. GPS tends to be very accurate, and depending on certain variables can be off by a few hundred feet.
Towers, as you mentioned, are more or less a means to an end. It offers a very, very general idea of location, but can off by up to miles. Again, as you mentioned this rough idea of your location is then more precisely pinpointed by GPS satellites.
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Well, i wasn't categorising different ways of identifying your position, so you really have nothing to respectuffy disagree with. I just explained them all.
Location detection via wi-fi gives you the position of the wi-fi hot spot, so if you are close to it, your position is precise, if you are 100m away from it, your position will be 100m off. It is also stationary, it doesn't move with you, so it's useless for turn by turn navigation.
Location detection via towers can be quite precise (comparable to precision of gps location detection), depending on where you are. If you are in a densely populated area, like a city (with many towers around you), your location will be very/quite accurate, on the other hand if you are in a rural area, with weak signal you may not even get a fix.
My preferable way of location detection is through a gps chip in my device. This way i'm not dependant on any external factors (apart from satellites in the space and the charge of my device) and free to go wherever i want.
nooktablet said:
Lol I don't even know what gps is.
What is it? How is it different from location service? How is it useful?
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"The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based satellite navigation system that provides location and time information in all weather, anywhere on or near the Earth, where there is an unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites. It is maintained by the United States government and is freely accessible to anyone with a GPS receiver." Taken from Wikipedia.
It's used mainly for Turn by Turn direction and can be used to track travel distance. For instance I use the GPS with Runkeeper to track my runs/walks/jogs.
Location Service on the iPod uses Wifi Networks to triangulate your position. Which is good if your in a city with a lot of wifi access however if your not your boned.
I think the old Galaxy Players (4 and 5 inch) were made with spare parts from the entire Galaxy S (Vibrant,Captivate, etc) and Nexus S series which was quickly going obsolete. I seriously think that Samsung would support the new Galaxy Player series with legitimate updates. There's a pretty big gap in performance specs between devices that came out with Gingerbread and ICS and with the old Galaxy music player series coming out with Gingerbread, the performance before the ICS "spec bump."
I'm probably gonna pick up a 5.8 and develop ROMs for it if anybody was wondering. The specs should be enough for a few more years or Android releases
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If it is under $300 dollars maybe... $200 yes.