I tried hard to keep up with wm6, tried hard , all possible tweaks.So finally the other day, I thought of going back to WM5 and really it is much much stable, no soft resets, no hangups.Hard to get used to the wm5 interface as compared to the glossy wm6, but performance is what I desire, and now my apps open in seconds, memory leaks are minimal, audio in BT also goes well.
I really wonder, why WM is not fully compatible with Athena.All other devices it works like a charm, why not in Athena.
I think wm6 is quicker and more stable than wm5. I reset more often in the past.
Which wm6 ROM were you running? What applications were you using? It may be one or two applications giving you the problem.
Not much apps, I like to stick with the given apps.Use Windows Live, builtin Opera, sometimes may b NetFront, I do not play games, Skype, I use.That's it.
If u compare the speed of execution of these programms with other devices running wm6 such as Universal,Hermes, Kaiser, Blue Angel, and if we have the fastest processor 624 Mhz, it shd surpass the programe execution time.
WM6 I hv observed that, initially, it works well, but as the use goes on , it tends to slow down, and even it takes a lot of time to make a phone call, after I press "Talk".
I get 150 calls a day on an average fews Texts, few emails, 24 hrs connected to GPRS or Wi Fi whichever is available.
It is a suprise that Blue Angel reacts faster than athena to similar apps, and execution is very good and fast in devices like Hermes,Kaiser, Universal....all Running WM6, either official or cooked ones.
I really fail to understand, why such a thing with Athena.
Where do you install applications?
What does the sktools performance benchmark tells you about your card and MD.
How did you format your drives?
Do you regularly clear up the cache in opera?
How large is your contact database?
Sorry this seems like a so many questions, but there must be a cause of your problem which is not related to wm6. I say that because I've far far more applications than you, all running okay. I do avoid certain applications. Examples include the latest version of ilauncher.
No problems to me with your questions.Once I had decided to us a Virgin wm6..as it is, no apps, still the problem persists.You won't believe, but I wud have changed 5 Athenas so far..but the problem with the speed persists.
My contatcs data base is quite small, opera cache is by dafault is 2 mb, so it gets cleared whatever is more than 2 MB.
If same I use in the other devices as mentioned, I do not face any problems, so far BA and Univeresal has been the best performances, Hermes and Kaiser follow...and Athena is my primary phone, I do not use any other or second phone.
hdubli said:
No problems to me with your questions.Once I had decided to us a Virgin wm6..as it is, no apps, still the problem persists.You won't believe, but I wud have changed 5 Athenas so far..but the problem with the speed persists.
My contatcs data base is quite small, opera cache is by dafault is 2 mb, so it gets cleared whatever is more than 2 MB.
If same I use in the other devices as mentioned, I do not face any problems, so far BA and Univeresal has been the best performances, Hermes and Kaiser follow...and Athena is my primary phone, I do not use any other or second phone.
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Then I guess it must be a question of expectation.
I've just looked up. BA is using WM2003, isn't it? Well, that explains why it is so fast. I have a very old WM2003 device that feels like a speed demon too. That brings us back to the old debate of whether or not microsoft made the right move by going int persistent memory, which if I ask me now, I'd still prefer the old approach.
Your Universal has been soldered with additional memory, has'nt it? Do you think this is the reason why it is so fast?
If you've used so many units of Athena and found speed problem with every one of them, when nothing has been loaded yet, it probably means you're expecting WM2003 speed on a WM5/WM6 machine. I'm doubtful that going back to WM5 will solve your problem, because from my experience, WM6 does seem faster.
Not sure where this leaves you and not sure how else to help though.
Hi,
I know that and understand your motive and respect that.If u check carefully, BA can b updated to wm6 aku 7.7
Also I hv uni with 128 ram, but 64 also runs quite well.
Can u imagine I am replying to this thread from Opera Running WM 5
Crispy and fast enough..and I feel the differrence.
Anyway I will try oncemore and report back
I still havent found a WM6 device that can surpass the BA in raw speed (also with WM6)
uni gets quite close tho!
Midget_1990 said:
I still havent found a WM6 device that can surpass the BA in raw speed (also with WM6)
uni gets quite close tho!
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In your expert opinion, why is this so? What is special about BA that makes it fly? Does the faster speed also apply to internet surfing too?
3rd day with WM5
-Only one soft reset
-Memory lowers to 70 Mb from 81 MB,use SK tools and rever it again.
-pmsn works great and fster.Skype is also more responsive.
-I think we all here shd give it a try and also research why this is so.Really WM5 wins as far as Athena is concerned.
Guru Try Dopod
hi GURU try dopod wm6
or try aptouch dual Virgin
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Hi
Have a profhet G4, but i have now tried EVO8, Transfomer 1.0/1.1, Touch IX and Crystal V4.
They all run to slow even with xcpuscalar, and battery time is not good enough for my daily use. (Not using Wi-FI)
So should i try to go back on a WM5 rom ?, or has anyone good experiences with a WM6 rom? Maybe i should try with a clean WM6 rom? (link?)
thanks.
BR. Flemming
If Crystal V4 (Personal Edition) is not fast enough for you, I think you should cook your own ROM, 'cause that's all that left. If you do find a Faster ROM, I'd love to hear about it.
all now available wm6 rom is slower than wm5
digifan said:
all now available wm6 rom is slower than wm5
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Is it? All this while I thought WM6 (pure ones without TouchFlo and other fancy add-on) should run faster. I don't know cause used WM5 (think it was a very old release) for like 1 day plus then upgraded already.
Just open the Windows folder or settings in an WM5 Rom after you used WM6 and you will see which one runs faster.....you should also compare booting times! oO
In fact: Nearly any WM6 rom is faster than the WM5 ones...try it and you will see!
Greetz
digifan, if you say that WM6 is slower than WM5... then you have no experience in WM6...
BioniX said:
digifan, if you say that WM6 is slower than WM5... then you have no experience in WM6...
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I agree with you. If more speed is needed , there is always battery plugin
Finally, at some point you're facing the hardware limit...
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digifan, if you say that WM6 is slower than WM5... then you have no experience in WM6...
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well spoken indeed.
@digifan
BTW, if you feel that WM5 is faster than WM& why the hell are you interested to upgrade. Stay as it is, man
Stuclint said:
If Crystal V4 (Personal Edition) is not fast enough for you, I think you should cook your own ROM, 'cause that's all that left. If you do find a Faster ROM, I'd love to hear about it.
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I think too.
Well I'm happy that you found Crystal V4 fast. Recently there has been some development in ROM cooking world and consequently the crystal V5 will be even more stable and fast ! Crystal V5 will be a clean ROM with VOIP. The free storage memory will be somewhere around : 46 Mg .
This rom will be released in two to three weeks
good
waiting
Shark_XXL said:
Just open the Windows folder or settings in an WM5 Rom after you used WM6 and you will see which one runs faster.....you should also compare booting times! oO
In fact: Nearly any WM6 rom is faster than the WM5 ones...try it and you will see!
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I totally agree with you. I was almost abandon my Pocket pC before WM6 make my day again.
In era WM5 I totally refused to reboot due to slow booting time. WM6 safe a day.
Good luck!
i think you can enjoy htc photo album gestures and cube and other gr8 interfaces which wm6 has offered rather than think of speed ,you see there is a difference between a vintage glider(wm5) and a boeing 747 (wm6)and a f-16 fighter aircraft and a chopper , all have their own specific usage advantages and disadvantages ,no one of them will provide you everything at one place. you cant take a ferrari on country rally and if a country rally car comes to ferrari race it won't win .they have their own routes to go into.
WOW!!! hma4, 46MB wud b a treat!! I simply luv the freedom a clean ROM gives
46 MB.. It is really good... As I said before, you are one of the greatest....
serious speed issue
Guys,
I do have a Prophet as well as a Tornado. They seem to be identical in terms of hardware, but the even with the default WM5 roms the Tornado is way faster (windows folder opens in 2-3 seconds while the Prophet takes a well 6-7 seconds).
If you add special features to the Prophet, such as HTC Home, and a couple of other gimmicks, then it can be painfully slow (even with my cpu o/c at 273MHz). I did a hard reset to mine a couple of weeks ago and now I need over 20 seconds to open windows folder. I don't know if it is the rom to blame (I am currently using a PDAViet ver 4.0.0.0WWE) but we have to do something about it! Even the phone features are getting slow
Does everybody confirm that Crystal V4 is the fastest rom around? I have also in mind a TNT Greek rom (since I am Greek). Is that any good in terms of speed?
hma4 said:
Well I'm happy that you found Crystal V4 fast. Recently there has been some development in ROM cooking world and consequently the crystal V5 will be even more stable and fast ! Crystal V5 will be a clean ROM with VOIP. The free storage memory will be somewhere around : 46 Mg .
This rom will be released in two to three weeks
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ooo,yes.the best news for my weekend.
agha hamed ma az tarafdaraye paro pa ghorse shomaiim
baese eftekhare maiid.
thanx
hma4 said:
Crystal V5 will be a clean ROM with VOIP. The free storage memory will be somewhere around : 46 Mg .
This rom will be released in two to three weeks
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I'm waiting for it
It would be the perfect WM6 rom for prophet
hma4 said:
Well I'm happy that you found Crystal V4 fast. Recently there has been some development in ROM cooking world and consequently the crystal V5 will be even more stable and fast ! Crystal V5 will be a clean ROM with VOIP. The free storage memory will be somewhere around : 46 Mg .
This rom will be released in two to three weeks
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that is good news
Hello everyone.
I´m new on this forum, and just purchased a Touch Dual and of course upgrade it with al your wonderful mods here (HardSPL, Niki's project, etc all the nice cooking ).
I´m using SKTools and when benchmarking the device came with some strange values, a bit desappointing even:
Integer: 233.2211
Floating Point: 5.477
RAM Acesss: 751
Draw bitmaps: 740
Main Storage: Write: 1765.52
Main Storage: Read: 3616.24
The RAM Access benchmark in particular seems very low
Any thoughts? Is it only my machine?
No, it's not just your machine. I don't have SKTools to try it myself, but I'm pretty sure we'll get the same score. The Niki isn't really a fast device.. older WM2003 devices even feels a lot faster due to the different RAM. And even some WM5 devices also feels faster (mostly because of the video driver issue. More info at www.htcclassaction.org). But don't be affected by benchmarks too much. They don't really reflect real world performance (that's what I keep telling myself... lol )
Even my Qtek S200 seems smoother at times... But its uglier. (That´s what I keep telling myself too ) Hope the new drivers, when they come out, if they come out, will resolve the issue...
I don't know if all of you are facing the same problem. I am using a Dopod 818 PRO upgraded to WM 6.1 (Green Edition 15.4.08 Update) currently but I have tried almost every other WM 6.1 ROM out there, all seem to be giving me the same problem.
When I start typing a message, it stores commonly used sentences, words etc fast and with ease but I notice once the T9 dictionary becomes larger in size(more words in it), the response starts becoming slower and does not take in input as fast as its initial one.
This problem can be overcomed once I enter the Input properties and "Clear Stored Entries" but then it starts from scratch without any user defined words in it.
Any suggestions other than disabling the suggested words option? It's really handy and I like it very much but the only annoyance is that I type fast and the lag is kinda irritating. Thanks!
Actually that is the same case for me.. And since i type pretty fast with PhonePad, the slow speed has forced me to go back to WM6.. And i have also tried almost every wm6.1 rom out there!
Its not much slower in WM6.1 than WM6, but its noticeable especially if you type fast..
yeah.. oh well =( we'd just have to wait for some genius here to figure something out.
Cheers
blame your prophet's weak 200mhz TI-OMAP processor..
thats the problem..
thats why i prefer using keyboard than phonepad
blame your prophet's weak 200mhz TI-OMAP processor..
thats the problem..
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Two points: one, it's clocked at 195 in the Prophet; two, the same software works fine on newer HTC Devices (the HTC Touch uses the same OMAP 850 but clocked at 201MHz).
Which leads me to believe it is to do with the specific exes/dlls, and where they have been ported from.
registry error?
i think this caused it
So only option now is to downgrade to WM6?
But I have no heart to do so! 6.1 is wayyy better in almost every way
had the same problem what i did and helped a lot was disabling the key sounds
then it came fast again.... hope this help
thanks.. will try it =)
I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
Thanks for the info. I love DCD roms, but I'm really wondering about this new WM6.5 rom. It would be nice to hear some more comments from others about each. Thanks!
Not so much an opinion as an educated comment...
I think that you are going to find that WM6.5 (and IE8) are just plain designed for devices with more RAM than the Titan's 64MB. It's a hardware limitation that is just going to be difficult to get past. Compare it to running Vista on an older desktop box with only 512MB of RAM... it will work, and look pretty, but it will be very limited. Vista (and WM6.5) were designed around hardware that is unfortunately higher horsepower than older machines like the desktop I used as an example above (in the case of Vista) and the Titan (in the case of WM6.5) have.
It'll be fun to play with (I haven't tried it yet) but expecting it to be a reliable daily driver on the Titan is probably asking a bit much. I found the same thing with Opera 9.5... it is beautiful, and the best mobile browser I have ever seen, but the Titan just can't run it effectively (without the low memory errors).
were getting pretty close on the memory but your right the 6800 got the shaft on the ram dept.
don't know why you have memory issues.. when I build WM6.5 without M2D
I get 25.6MB FREE ram .. without Hibernate..
and even with M2D loaded and 18.8MB free at bootup, I am still able to run
google map, sms\mms and IE plus Activesync running .. with no issues..
also runs my TomTom without any issues.. plus 6.5 runs faster as well overall..
granted as you keep loading more apps if you go to task mng, just by opening
task mng. it close some apps .. if you flip to and from your apps you'll see they
are still running .. well my experience anyways...
I use my phone just like if its a PC .. hell this post if from my phone.. the new IE is damm sweet...
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I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
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It might be better to compare WM 6.5 to Windows 7 instead of Vista.
Running Windows Vista on an old/slow computer is a horribly bad idea. However in beta testing Windows 7 I installed it on a Celeron M laptop with only 1gb of ram and it ran like a dream (without Aero). My boot up and loading times were equal to XP. So if WM 6.5 is designed correctly, it could work just fine on our devices.
The only thing that has me hesitating on 6.5 is that from reading the threads where this was first posted, this a very early release. Since it seems there will be a production version from MSFT floating around within another few weeks, maybe these memory issues will be more manageable, with perhaps some additional features? And no doubt there will be a DCD 6.5 eventually as well, either with this version or a later one.
Serious Props to those that are working hard to get it going now, but I have a feeling there will be better to work with in the near future.
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don't know why you have memory issues.. when I build WM6.5 without M2D I get 25.6MB FREE ram .. without Hibernate..
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What do you mean without hibernate? I guess that might be a noob question sorry. 25.6 would be even better than DCD roms. Wow.
hibernate refers to oxios hibernate which releases memory to help make your phone run faster
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I loaded DCD 4.1.2 and liked it. I was REALLY excited about the new 6.5 ROM. While I haven't built my own ROMs, My little mogul has been cooked more times than I can think of.
Here are my thoughts on these two ROMs
DCD
Pros:
GREAT memory and management: 26 mgs available at boot:
I can run Audio Manager, Live Search, Netfront browser, and send and receive text....with neither of them closing.
Cons:
See Pros below
Windows 6.5
Pros:
Integrated Touchflow.
IE8 with Flash
It really does seem faster for some things.
Cons:
Terrible memory and management. Even with Manilla NOT loaded, I only have about 19.5 megs at boot up (even with Hibernate). I can only run one program at once (basically).
Conclusion:
I would rather have the memory than IE8.
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WM6.5 beta 4 has great memory management. I have been testing it for 17hrs now and am just blown away by its speed. IE8 is awesome. No more WM6.1, I have moved on, you will too, trust me.
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The only thing that has me hesitating on 6.5 is that from reading the threads where this was first posted, this a very early release. Since it seems there will be a production version from MSFT floating around within another few weeks, maybe these memory issues will be more manageable, with perhaps some additional features? And no doubt there will be a DCD 6.5 eventually as well, either with this version or a later one.
Serious Props to those that are working hard to get it going now, but I have a feeling there will be better to work with in the near future.
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the main part of 6.5 is done .. whats left is the interface, the build number
will may go up once the interface is added however there is no memory issues
I know of .. other than the first few beta 1-3 release that has the nueKernel
(a 3rd party programs that cause memory issues .. not the 6.5 kernel !!)
that add was removed from beta-4 and no more issues ..
Also note, after the new interface is added to WM6.5 I believe it will be strip out anyways
at it will be built for VGA or higher PDA's and even if there is a QVGA version
its going to require a ton of memory anyways!! what you will be left with is
whats out now anyways!! thus DCD 6.5 may end up being on this same built!!
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WM6.5 beta 4 has great memory management. I have been testing it for 17hrs now and am just blown away by its speed. IE8 is awesome. No more WM6.1, I have moved on, you will too, trust me.
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x2 ..
check this thead http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477525
I was following monytoo's suggestions (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Windows_Mobile_6_Standard) in the hope to reduce the amount of processes being loaded at startup.
However, no success; nothing changes. Is there anything else that can be done?
Thx in advance
MH
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HTC S740
WM 6.1
Rose has 100 MB+ free RAM, there is no need to perform these dangerous tweaks to save few kB.
Not what my system shows (I have - yet - no SD)
In any case - what could be dangerous? The machine runs as well with or without these services taken off. It actually seems to ignore the registry in this case ...
Free RAM has nothing to do with store memory. There is 150+ MB of RAM and 100+ MB for storage.
Be careful, there is one tweak that disables receiving SMS so I recommend you restoring the original settings.
Point well taken; I indeed mixed up the 2 for a moment (the system shows 130MB of free memory)
As to SMS - no problem there. It works perfectly.
Now that we agree on the availability of RAM - any thoughts on speed (e.g.: the device takes about 35 sec to boot - is this alright?). In my desktop configuration (W2K) I reduced boot time by almost 30% when I cut down on the launch of services. Here, the deletion of services according to your earlier post brings no effect whatever.
W2K Pro for a PC and Windows mobile 6.1 Standard for smarthone just cannot be compared. The Rose is a great device and provided you haven't totally screwed it up by installin a lot of junk (in which was perform a factory reset) leave it alone - trust me it's performance is good. 35s boot is normal (you should not compare this to your Nokia phone from 8 years ago - not a good comparaison
Just enjoy - this is one WM device that doesn't need much tinkering.
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<snip> this is one WM device that doesn't need much tinkering.
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its still a lot of fun tho
nealed said:
W2K Pro for a PC and Windows mobile 6.1 Standard for smarthone just cannot be compared.
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That may well be true. Yet - it still is Microsoft. And if I know one thing about them - having had the singular misfortune of being exposed to their "misdeeds" for more than 20 years - it is that Mr Gates has not come to this world to make things easier for the rest of us. Therefore, tinkering, as you like to call it, almost always is a necessity