Every once in awhile, some chatter will be thrown around about possible HTC fixes (http://www.phonenews.com/htc-says-update-still-coming-nothing-else-3369/) and/or gutted ROMs (http://htcclassaction.org/#update_20080403_2).
So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?
i think at this point its realistic to say that if you want video acceleration, you need to buy another $500 device made by somebody else. I predict HTC puts this off until affected hardware is end-of-life. My rant is off topic now, but in that case, my next device wont be HTC.
Ummm, so how am I going to watch my pron..... lol
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So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?
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Beyond the *problem* of not using the MS Media Player and substituting video playback with TCPMP (or another) set with the the video driver to GDI/RAW, what is the great issue? Even with direct draw drivers, I will still use TCPMP and its video playback is already exceptionally smooth as it is.
Screen redraw on the Today screen and other similar levels isn't out of line from what I've experienced on non-HTC WM/CE devices.
Sorry, but I'm still stumped on what is truly owed to us by HTC and -- more on topic for this forum -- the critical flaws that are inherent in the Titan.
Hopefully, they include support in the Raphael/Diamond. Who knows, maybe it can even be back-ported to our Moguls.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387556
Supposedly, there will be a forthcoming update that will at least improve the video on our phones, but likely not drivers.
http://www.phonenews.com/htc-says-update-still-coming-nothing-else-3369/
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Beyond the *problem* of not using the MS Media Player and substituting video playback with TCPMP (or another) set with the the video driver to GDI/RAW, what is the great issue? Even with direct draw drivers, I will still use TCPMP and its video playback is already exceptionally smooth as it is.
Screen redraw on the Today screen and other similar levels isn't out of line from what I've experienced on non-HTC WM/CE devices.
Sorry, but I'm still stumped on what is truly owed to us by HTC and -- more on topic for this forum -- the critical flaws that are inherent in the Titan.
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Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit... The same thing happens with any "redrawing" of the screen which makes certain programs just run crappy. My *main* complaint that *actually* gets in my way, though, is the delay in rotating the screen. I typically don't use the hardware keyboard for exactly this reason. I would rather use the stylus and the on-screen keyboard than wait for 5-10 seconds while I wait for the screen to redraw.
It's more to the point to say that it underperforms (again... scroll up and down on that program screen) in comparison to *older* devices. There are some Youtube examples out there that are easy to see. It's just not the performance that matches the pricetag.
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Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit... The same thing happens with any "redrawing" of the screen which makes certain programs just run crappy. My *main* complaint that *actually* gets in my way, though, is the delay in rotating the screen. I typically don't use the hardware keyboard for exactly this reason. I would rather use the stylus and the on-screen keyboard than wait for 5-10 seconds while I wait for the screen to redraw.
It's more to the point to say that it underperforms (again... scroll up and down on that program screen) in comparison to *older* devices. There are some Youtube examples out there that are easy to see. It's just not the performance that matches the pricetag.
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem.
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem.
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I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"... scroll up AND down as fast as you can... it is anything but smooth scrolling... as far as switching from landscape to portrait faster than you can press a stopwatch button twice, I can only assume you are trying to use your feet. I have used the stock ROM, the kitchen, and DCDs custom ROM... it's slow. I count roughly 2-3 seconds. Granted, it may not seem like a "long" time in the grand scheme of things... for a phone, it's an eternity, and ultimately... it's not as fast as phones that are 3 years old. I'm ecstatic for you that you are happy with the performance of your phone. Why would you even bother to *read* this message thread if that's the case?
Additionally... in File Explorer... don't try scrolling down slowly... try up *and* down quickly. If you can *see* the screen refresh, then it's too damned slow. It's supposed to SCROLL... not BLINK.
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem.
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Backntyme,
I agree about the keyboard thing. When I switch to landscape and back it normally takes about 1-2 seconds. But sometimes much longer and it is quite annoying.
But for the scrolling thing, Foetus was talking about start>programs. You go there and scroll the page up icons up and down quickly. You will see the delayed screen refresh. Another one is when you use iGuidance or TomTom. The screen refresh is terrible and you get really jerky animation of turns etc. I haven't noticed especially bad scrolling in file explorer because the rendering is simple. But rendering of graphics is not great. But liveable.
But what the thread is upset about is not whether its liveable or not. It's about whether an expensive piece of equipment should be worse in some respects than its predecessor. And whether we are getting value for money. The device's hardware is capable of better performance, but HTC have chosen to supply a substandard set of software to go with it.
Foetus, sorry for answering for you. I thought you were offline. But you beat me to the punch anyway..
This is way off topic, but you know what really pisses me off about the titan performance? The fact that you have to turn sounds off the dialpad or it can't even keep up with your dialing of a number. My ten year old nokia (that i still have) sh*ts all over the titan for speed. Granted it cant do everything that the titan can do, but at least it does what it was advertised to do - and do it properly.
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I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"... scroll up AND down as fast as you can... it is anything but smooth scrolling... as far as switching from landscape to portrait faster than you can press a stopwatch button twice, I can only assume you are trying to use your feet. I have used the stock ROM, the kitchen, and DCDs custom ROM... it's slow. I count roughly 2-3 seconds. Granted, it may not seem like a "long" time in the grand scheme of things... for a phone, it's an eternity, and ultimately... it's not as fast as phones that are 3 years old. I'm ecstatic for you that you are happy with the performance of your phone. Why would you even bother to *read* this message thread if that's the case?
Additionally... in File Explorer... don't try scrolling down slowly... try up *and* down quickly. If you can *see* the screen refresh, then it's too damned slow. It's supposed to SCROLL... not BLINK.
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First, I didn't realize that we were supposed to PM you for permission to *read* threads on this forum and that you would only permit users who agree with you to read those threads. Nor does the thread title "Video acceleration news?" imply that it is going to be really just another gripe thread. Second, when you said "Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit" that is not the same thing as "I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"; however, in that screen, either scrolling or paging up and down, my Mogul also draws the icons almost instantaneously. That means in a fraction of a second. The switch between portrait and landscape is also accomplished in a fraction of a second. Scrolling in File Explorer works as it should with no blinking.
If I were in your position, instead of assuming that someone who posts different experiences than yours must be a fool who cannot tell how much time elapses during screen redraws and then telling them that they should not be reading "your" thread, I would question why my own device could not do what other similar devices can do.
I am not saying that the device is perfect; for example, sometimes when activating the Task Manager icon at the top right of the Today screen, it takes a second or two to show the running programs. But I do not believe that is a screen response problem.
maccaberry: I also use iGuidance 3.0.1, and the screen response works properly either with an external Bluetooth GPS receiver, or with the internal GPS receiver and the intermediate port workarounds. That workaround requirement is more a limitation of iGuidance than of the Mogul.
edit: maccaberry, you say that HTC has supplied substandard software. But at least some of your experiences are with a bootloader, ROM, and radio that were either not supplied by HTC for your device, or not supplied for use on your carrier, or not supplied to be used together, or have been modified from the software as it was supplied by HTC. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package with all of the customizations as supplied by HTC. Maybe that has some effect?
@bakntyme
Sorry im going to have to agree with everyone else over you... (not just this thread mind you but a simple search and you should see what i mean) but please feel free to either use MyMobiler and record a video of your superb performance.... honistly... or find some other app to record... even using the most slimmed down ROM to the Stock i still get what he is describing.... and worse... i have changed things to make the transition faster like 128K for the Glyphcahe system ram all up to 90% Mem usage WITH NOTHING running and no Today crap and it still takes 1-2 seconds compared to 3-5 seconds with no optimizations.... really a PITA
its also tiring reading a book Landscape then having the thing switch to Portrat then having to go all the way back to settings and flip the screen again before i can continue reading...
EDIT1: I recently dug up my Sony CLIE UX50 and even though its a PALM platform with a low 124MHZ PROC (me thinks it was) STILL kicks the Mogul/ANY OTHER HTC's video performance.. and even game performance... anything performance... except compression... (DUH Mogul/Most other HTC's have bigger PROC)
New Tilt 2.0 alpha rom speeds up graphics? (!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=388728&page=4
Benchmarks posted here to illustrate the point. Some people think this is part of the promised optimizations from the manufacturer.
Other people are looking at drivers located in the new Imate 9502 that has a msm7200 chipset as well:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745&page=100
Maybe there will be some hardware acceleration in the new raphael and diamond that could be borrowed.
Hopefully these multiple approaches will synergistically gel to greatly increase performance for my mogul
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Sorry im going to have to agree with everyone else over you... (not just this thread mind you but a simple search and you should see what i mean) but please feel free to either use MyMobiler and record a video of your superb performance.... honistly... or find some other app to record... even using the most slimmed down ROM to the Stock i still get what he is describing.... and worse... i have changed things to make the transition faster like 128K for the Glyphcahe system ram all up to 90% Mem usage WITH NOTHING running and no Today crap and it still takes 1-2 seconds compared to 3-5 seconds with no optimizations.... really a PITA
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It really does not matter with whom you agree...you could actually open your mind and believe all of us; just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area does not mean that my Titan must also. Or does your need to believe that it is a systemic problem that affects all Titans make you so sure that I am lying that only a video will convince you that i am telling the truth?
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It really does not matter with whom you agree...you could actually open your mind and believe all of us; just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area does not mean that my Titan must also. Or does your need to believe that it is a systemic problem that affects all Titans make you so sure that I am lying that only a video will convince you that i am telling the truth?
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no i am merely saying that you seem to have an uncanny tone in both your first post and your follow up post that begs the question why reply in a thread asking of others PROBLEMS if you have none? if you have none congratz.. but this thread is not about who doesn't have but rather who has AND if any news has been heard about fixing it... as any search you will do on "HTC Video Performance"... your "non-existant" problem is one in... well... almost the entire production of any newer (at least) HTC Device!
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I don't know what you have done to your Mogul, but mine switches from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) faster than I could press a stopwatch button twice. The scrolling in File Explorer, dragging the stylus down the scroll bar, is instantaneous. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package. The only time I see terribly slow response is when the Mogul is connected to my PC and syncing...then it is glacial. But I do not usually use it when it is syncing so that has not been a problem."
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So again, as you don't seem to have a problem, CONGRATZ however I am a firm believer of a "post when important or relevant" policy and well.. your post is HIGHLY IRRELEVANT as this thread (as i said above) is about the problem as well as possible news of its being resolved...
Sorry thats just the way i feel...
Now as for the RELEVENT part of this post... I read a notice on PhoneNews and while they say they are working on some fixes.. its nearly 99.99% that their will be no advancements for HWL control of the GFX part of the phone due to "fees and software development time" HOWEVER i have high hope that the Raphael will have said drivers and since it seems not TOO much is different hopefully someone will be able to REVENG them for our oh so broken HTC devices...
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I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs"... scroll up AND down as fast as you can... it is anything but smooth scrolling... as far as switching from landscape to portrait faster than you can press a stopwatch button twice, I can only assume you are trying to use your feet. I have used the stock ROM, the kitchen, and DCDs custom ROM... it's slow. I count roughly 2-3 seconds. Granted, it may not seem like a "long" time in the grand scheme of things... for a phone, it's an eternity, and ultimately... it's not as fast as phones that are 3 years old. I'm ecstatic for you that you are happy with the performance of your phone. Why would you even bother to *read* this message thread if that's the case?
Additionally... in File Explorer... don't try scrolling down slowly... try up *and* down quickly. If you can *see* the screen refresh, then it's too damned slow. It's supposed to SCROLL... not BLINK.
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Holy crap. LMAO
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no i am merely saying that you seem to have an uncanny tone in both your first post and your follow up post that begs the question why reply in a thread asking of others PROBLEMS if you have none? if you have none congratz.. but this thread is not about who doesn't have but rather who has AND if any news has been heard about fixing it... as any search you will do on "HTC Video Performance"... your "non-existant" problem is one in... well... almost the entire production of any newer (at least) HTC Device!
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So again, as you don't seem to have a problem, CONGRATZ however I am a firm believer of a "post when important or relevant" policy and well.. your post is HIGHLY IRRELEVANT as this thread (as i said above) is about the problem as well as possible news of its being resolved...
Sorry thats just the way i feel...
Now as for the RELEVENT part of this post... I read a notice on PhoneNews and while they say they are working on some fixes.. its nearly 99.99% that their will be no advancements for HWL control of the GFX part of the phone due to "fees and software development time" HOWEVER i have high hope that the Raphael will have said drivers and since it seems not TOO much is different hopefully someone will be able to REVENG them for our oh so broken HTC devices...
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I thought it was relevant to point out that since my Mogul does not exhibit the delays, the problems you are experiencing may not be caused by what you think is causing them. And if you read this thread, you will discover a post by another user who doesn't see the problem. The original post posed the question, "So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?" A post indicating that the problems are not experienced by all users is responsive to that question. But since you all insist that your problems are systemic to the device, only new drivers will fix it, and any users not experiencing the problems should not be allowed to discuss it, I will let you keep that belief.
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I thought it was relevant to point out that since my Mogul does not exhibit the delays, the problems you are experiencing may not be caused by what you think is causing them. And if you read this thread, you will discover a post by another user who doesn't see the problem. The original post posed the question, "So... does anyone have *any* information about the HTC video acceleration problems?" A post indicating that the problems are not experienced by all users is responsive to that question. But since you all insist that your problems are systemic to the device, only new drivers will fix it, and any users not experiencing the problems should not be allowed to discuss it, I will let you keep that belief.
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The fact of the matter is, hardware acceleration within the video drivers would considerably speed up all of the devices regardless of if you do or do not see a problem with your own device.
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First, I didn't realize that we were supposed to PM you for permission to *read* threads on this forum and that you would only permit users who agree with you to read those threads.
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I can be polite exactly once per thread per idiot. Typically, it's a misunderstanding that is cleared up with a more in-depth explanation. As for permission to read the thread... re-read my question, except this time, pretend you're not a flame-baiting schmuck that didn't get hugged by his mother enough as a child. I asked you a question... WHY would you read a thread about a problem you don't have, nor have a solution for? I'm hoping you can play the piano brialliantly, thus adding the term "savant" to your title.
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Nor does the thread title "Video acceleration news?" imply that it is going to be really just another gripe thread. Second, when you said "Go into the "Programs" folder, and scroll up and down a bit" that is not the same thing as "I hate to repeat myself, but go click "Start" and then "Programs";
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Actually... the question mark implies that I am asking a *question*. While it doesn't explicitly ask the question "Does anyone have some video acceleration news?", it does in fact do more than subtly *hint*. In fact... one would go as far as to say that it is IMPLIED. Your illilteracy is not my problem (Oh... and illiteracy is the inability to read... I am not saying your parents weren't married). Furthermore, rephrasing my example actually DOES count as repeating myself... it doesn't have to be exact; that's what the word "verbatim" would be used for. Isn't English FUN!??!
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second. The switch between portrait and landscape is also accomplished in a fraction of a second. Scrolling in File Explorer works as it should with no blinking.
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Before (as I said), I was polite about this. YOU ARE A LIAR. I believe that your pants may be ablaze. I have heard it suggested to hang pants in such a condition on a telephone wire. HTC has stated that they know about the issue and their solution is to buy a new phone when they come out with video acceleration. Either you are OK with the delay (which is what I assumed originally), have *zero* concept of time, or option C: you are a dirty, filthy, weird liar. I'm betting it's option C, I'm betting you look for fights behind the anonymity of the internet constantly, and I bet you die alone and unloved.
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If I were in your position, instead of assuming that someone who posts different experiences than yours must be a fool who cannot tell how much time elapses during screen redraws and then telling them that they should not be reading "your" thread, I would question why my own device could not do what other similar devices can do.
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If I were in *your* position, I wouldn't assume that even though HTC has admitted the problem, and just about everyone complains about this problem, your ARGUMENT about the device would advance this thread in any kind of positive way whatsoever. Again... you will die alone. I am clairvoyant.
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maccaberry: I also use iGuidance 3.0.1, and the screen response works properly either with an external Bluetooth GPS receiver, or with the internal GPS receiver and the intermediate port workarounds. That workaround requirement is more a limitation of iGuidance than of the Mogul.
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...all alone.
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edit: maccaberry, you say that HTC has supplied substandard software. But at least some of your experiences are with a bootloader, ROM, and radio that were either not supplied by HTC for your device, or not supplied for use on your carrier, or not supplied to be used together, or have been modified from the software as it was supplied by HTC. I am running the stock Sprint 3.35 package with all of the customizations as supplied by HTC. Maybe that has some effect?
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On this, I agree a little bit... the latest ROMs fixed the delay a little bit, if I recall. Certainly, he lists an older DCD rom in his sig.
Oh... PS: All alone, by yourself, with no one to cry at your funeral.
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It really does not matter with whom you agree...you could actually open your mind and believe all of us; just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area does not mean that my Titan must also. Or does your need to believe that it is a systemic problem that affects all Titans make you so sure that I am lying that only a video will convince you that i am telling the truth?
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Actually, having the exact same hardware and the exact same hardware *does* mean that "just because other Titans exhibit poor performance in this area", yours does as well. Unless somehow, you have a defect in your equipment that somehow makes your phone FASTER. It's not an issue of having an open mind... it's an issue about having the same equipment. Again, though, if you have no issues with the performance of the phone, that's excellent. I honestly *am* happy that you are satisfied with your purchase... but you can't tell other people that their dissatisfaction with a product is baseless. Everyone has their own opinion... this thread, however, wasn't created for posting your *opinion*. I was looking for updates. HTC has said they're working on something (but have stated it's not acceleration, but more along the lines of "tweaks" and optimization)...
I have to give great credit to No2Chem over at PPCGeeks for putting together a solution to the issue with our CDMA landscape keyboard backlights shutting down after 5 seconds.
I diligently worked on CAB file that keeps the keyboard on all the time when the keyboard is open, and shuts off when you close it.
Here is the link to the Thread.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=44773
Donate if it works for you, and you like it.
Didn't work for me...
OUTSTANDING!
It requires a soft reset before it will work.
That explains it... I lost all my stylus so cant reset anymore
shutting off the phone is like doing a soft reset... hold the power button in for 4 seconds then it will confirm shutoff, then power on you just did a soft reset.
aaron580 said:
That explains it... I lost all my stylus so cant reset anymore
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you can use a paperclip, or ballpoint pen, or just download the softreset CAB installer and that will give you a button under programs to do a software soft-reset, no need to press the button
-C
Thank you for posting this. Never thought I'd actually see it work!
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That explains it... I lost all my stylus so cant reset anymore
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stylii? lol
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stylii? lol
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At first I was gona correct you for correcting him, but then I remember the TP comes with two styli. haha
Finally, I can use my keyboard in the dark with fear of hitting the wrong key! By the way, is there a way to stop the keyboard from coming up on the screen every time I have to type something?!
Anybody else get the issue of the front keys staying on when the keyboard is in?
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At first I was gona correct you for correcting him, but then I remember the TP comes with two styli. haha
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Yeah i wasn't necessarily correcting him, I just knew it sounded funny, but so does styli. was just wondering what you call those!
if you need a stylus just go in and ask, I bet they give you one. I get so much free stuff from a friend bc they can take what people return. I get battery covers and batteries. I have 3 sitting on my dresser now.
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Finally, I can use my keyboard in the dark with fear of hitting the wrong key! By the way, is there a way to stop the keyboard from coming up on the screen every time I have to type something?!
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It seems I remember a setting in advanced config for "SIP Auto Deploy" that did the trick for me. I know I got it fixed (except in Opera), I just don't remember exactly how. So there's an answer out there if you look hard enough.
Can anyone explain why this interferes with the keyboard sliding sounds? Right now, if I use this, the sliding sounds won't work, but if I remove this, they work just fine.
i second that.....
on screen keyboard ? by rdar369,but then remembered the setting philipdhall mentioned and he's right ,want to try this cab file but read some where as well about the keys staying lit after closed and dont have an extended battery to spare the juice ,if i do try i will repost my findings
Hi, I made a video of the problem here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRXcBcpSD1w
It's minor, but I'd still like it fixed.
I heard about this as well... does look annoying. What application did you use to test that?
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Hi, I made a video of the problem here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRXcBcpSD1w
It's minor, but I'd still like it fixed.
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I think "Yet Another Multitouch Tester" or something. There are loads of them in the market.
Yea I was just curious. I use multitouch visible test which shows coordinates as well and I tried to replicate this on my Nexus S... doesn't have that threshold though, it's similar to the Nexus One. Wonder why samsung would add that...
BTW could you tell me how many simultaneous touch inputs the screen can register? The original SGS and Nexus S can register 5 according to multitouch visible test. Nexus One as you know can do 2 but when you cross each axis they flip.
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I think "Yet Another Multitouch Tester" or something. There are loads of them in the market.
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I got up to 10 and then ran out of fingers...
There's no axis flipping problem.
Ok so the physical touchscreen technology is very good... it's just samsung has written in this threshold movement delay, that's a bummer lol.
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I got up to 10 and then ran out of fingers...
There's no axis flipping problem.
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I think the touchscreen is so extremely sensitive they decided to fool-proof the phone.
without this "sticking" there would be no way for an average person with shaky fingers to register a TAP not a micro-SWIPE.
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I think the touchscreen is so extremely sensitive they decided to fool-proof the phone.
without this "sticking" there would be no way for an average person with shaky fingers to register a TAP not a micro-SWIPE.
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I doubt it. It's virtually impossible to perfectly tap on other phones and it's not a problem. I'm pretty sure 'micro-swipes' are detected by the software layer as taps.
Well does it affect the phone usage otherwise?
I just checked on 3Gs (havent got the S2 yet, damn these late release dates ) and sure enough it has the exact same delay and skip when I slowly try to scroll say web pages. Its always been good enough for me though.
I would be more interested in an accuracy test to see if there are any major issues with the hardware itself. Last test I saw showed everyone but the iPhone digitizer having abysmal performance, I remember the Droid loosing the finger signal all the time.
Any links to the touchscreen performance test you mention?
As for the "deadzone" for touch input, CyanogenMod7 for the SGS has this aswell. Furthermore, it also has a "feature" where if you move your finger slower than a certain speed across the screen, homescreens/browser pages etc will just ignore the touch input. So if you want to minimally correct the framing of a webpage, if maybe the text is just cut off on the side, you need to quickly swipe a very short swipe to get any movement on the screen. Trying to slowly change framing is not possible.
Hardware is fine though, multitouch tests has no filtering like deadzones or speed thresholds.
I have this problem to, Its definitely software I think.
I wonder if its easy to mod to get rid of this deadzone/minimum threshold for scrolling. Anyone able to take a look. Its quite annoying in some things and my old android phone didnt do this.
Angry birds doesn't bypass the problem. It's quite hard to see underneath your finger but the problem is definitely there in "Angry Birds Rio".
Scrolling in some views don't show the problem so badly, presumably because they use the relative movement of each move event, rather than the absolute distance from the down event.
Yeah problem is still there in angry birds my mistake.
Its quite annoying in nova hd when you want to move the crosshair a tiny amount. You can't because of this problem
Anyone know what file in the source could be edited to maybe stop this ?
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Yeah problem is still there in angry birds my mistake.
Its quite annoying in nova hd when you want to move the crosshair a tiny amount. You can't because of this problem
Anyone know what file in the source could be edited to maybe stop this ?
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my hunch is this source is not available, and somewhere in samsung's closed framework or similar.
i know on cyanogen rom, you can go look at the source code for ADW launcher, and you can locate the touch input source code. and you can find all the algorithms like dX, dY, that are used to register swipes, motion, scrolls, etc. its all pretty complicated and impressive code actually.
i'm sure samsung has equivalent code somewhere.
So if we got rid of touchwiz and used ADW launcher would the problem still be there?
sorrowuk said:
So if we got rid of touchwiz and used ADW launcher would the problem still be there?
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Good question. I'm curious.
Still same problem with adw launcher
This looks more like a kernel thing to me in the touchscreen driver...
Are we able to edit/mod/patch the touchscreen driver in the kernel or is this only something samsung can do ?
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Are we able to edit/mod/patch the touchscreen driver in the kernel or is this only something samsung can do ?
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We have the sources. I'm checking out the frameworks first though in case it's obvious.
I'm coming from an iPhone and even though i love my new SGS2 the only negative i find is typing. I loved the iPhone keyboard and I'm trying to get a similar experience. So far I'm using Smart Keyboard pro with iPhone skin but even though it's pretty close i cant get the same feeling because the screen is not as sensitive. i have to press the space bar twice sometimes to register.
is there a way i can make the screen more sensitive?
Or if not is there another keyboard that will make my typing experience more similar to the iPhone one?
Thank you.
http://www.appbrain.com/app/iphone-keyboard-emulator-free/com.sixgreen.android.softkeyboard
jje
JJEgan said:
http://www.appbrain.com/app/iphone-keyboard-emulator-free/com.sixgreen.android.softkeyboard
jje
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Very interesting but unfortunately it only supports English language. I also need Greek support.
thanks for the answer though.
Bump:-(
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Can anyone tell me at least if its possible or point me to the right direction?
If you're genuinely having to hit keys twice sometimes just to get them to register then I'd actually question whether there's an issue with your handset because I've never heard of that happening before on this phone or any of the previous Android handsets I've used.
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If you're genuinely having to hit keys twice sometimes just to get them to register then I'd actually question whether there's an issue with your handset because I've never heard of that happening before on this phone or any of the previous Android handsets I've used.
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There's nothing wrong with my handset. Just coming from an iPhone you hardly even have to touch the screen for the keystroke to register. If you had used an iPhone you would know what I'm talking about. Ive reed somewhere that the SGS2 has the same capabilities and that with the right settings it can register a keystroke from 1mm away from the screen. But i don't know where to find this settings.
No one can at least tell me if its possible or not so i can stop looking?
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No one can at least tell me if its possible or not so i can stop looking?
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as far as im aware there is no way of adjusting the capacative sensitivity, IMO though (coming from iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4 and Desire HD) the SGS2 screen is just as good if not better. slightest touches register instantly and think its an amazing screen !
if your problem really is as you suggest, i think there is a problem with the capacative screen and may need to get it repaired