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My Hermes is Currently on 1.51.00.10 with rom version 3.54.255.3
Battery is getting absolutely caned and service seems to be very patchy.
Has anyone else flashed their T Mobile Hermes? I know T won't be upgrading to 6, which is kinda lame.
I've got WM6 Black Satin and radio rom 1.43.00.00
Battery seems to be taking a beating with Bluetooth on as well.
Other than that it's totally brilliant.
Doogs.
I am on 1.50 that comes with the T Mobile WM6 (not for sale) Rom.
Seems to be working lovely and battery life fine bu I do use the streaming alot so purchased a nice cheap second battery on Ebay.
I've got 1.50 and Black Satin and find thats pretty much okay, helps if you do things like turn down the screen brightness and turn of 3G/HSDPA unless you absolutely need high speed data transfers.
GPRS works pretty well for my e-mail and web browsing.
I do love web n walk
I'm on schap's 3.60a and radio 1.50...battery does seem to get drained but i have 3g/hsdpa on all the time and syncing with windows live and exchange server. Do need to recharge th ebattery everyday.
Im with TMobile as well, Im currently on:
ROM: Black Dymond
Radio: 1.41.00.10
Location: London
I tend to charge my phone every evening, so cant comment on the battery life.
My reception kinda sucks though, any suggestions as to what the best radio version is?
I've been using 1.50 since it came out, and it's definitely a good 'un! The 3G/HSDPA signal works perfectly (1.51 doesn't work on 3G for T-Mob UK) and download speeds are generally 900kbps+ when the network isn't playing silly beggars. Call quality seems OK, but I don't actually use my phone for calls much. Battery life is fine, but again I play with it so much that I always charge every night.
Plus, the version number is higher than all the 1.4x ones, and everyone knows a higher version number is more important than almost anything else!!!
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(1.51 doesn't work on 3G for T-Mob UK)
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Really? That can't be right, stuff loads lightning fast when it actually works.
Actually the little 3G icon on the phone sometimes changes to an 'H' also. That kinda weirded me out.
I might try going back to something earlier.
I get the H icon appear but only get like 120kbit/s or 190 max?
Isnt 900 like you mention the above the equivilent of nearly a 10mb line or have i got my bytes and bits mixed up or something lol?
I switched from the official WM5 that came with the Vario II to the unofficial W6 with radio 1.50. At the beginning it was working ok, however battery life was about 50% of what it used to be, so not too great but ok.
Recently the phone part freezes more and more, especially when I try to dial, ‘dialing’ just hangs on the screen, and after a while I get a 'operation failed' balloon. The phone also looses signal quite often and switches between GPRS and 3G, although my office normally has excellent T-Mobile reception. Only soft resetting brings back the signal, and sometimes I even have to repeat this several times.
So this morning I switched to 1.48, but still seem to have the same problem loosing the signal.
Maybe I should just try installing the whole ROM again, cause I can’t figure out if a particular software is causing the problems. and it seems I'm the only one who has these problems.
One thing though, I am definitely 100% sure that this unofficial T-Mobile Rom was not intended for the Vario II. Maybe for the new Kaiser, but TM was and is definitely not working on updating old Window Mobile 5 devices already sold.
I have a similar pattern of poor reliability and battery drain emerging after a very good start with Radio 1.50. I can't see why this would happen though, it was originally very good and I have only installed one new app since then (SPB Time, which I took off again).
Currently almost all calls drop within 2 minutes and Internet Sharing is intermittent over 3G/H.
Anyone recommend a stable Radio for Tmob UK?
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I have a similar pattern of poor reliability and battery drain emerging after a very good start with Radio 1.50. I can't see why this would happen though, it was originally very good and I have only installed one new app since then (SPB Time, which I took off again).
Currently almost all calls drop within 2 minutes and Internet Sharing is intermittent over 3G/H.
Anyone recommend a stable Radio for Tmob UK?
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I went back to 1.46 and internet sharing is rock solid and it seems better with regards to holding a signal.
It's not perfect but pretty close, still have the occasional missed call without the phone ringing but thats exagerated because I am on a borderline 3g 3g area, batt life is good too.
Karzi said:
I went back to 1.46 and internet sharing is rock solid and it seems better with regards to holding a signal.
It's not perfect but pretty close, still have the occasional missed call without the phone ringing but thats exagerated because I am on a borderline 3g 3g area, batt life is good too.
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OK, I'm sold, I will have a go with it and report back.
I'm still using 1.27 tried 1.40.30 and 1.50 and a few others but although data was fine on them i had loads of people who couldn't get through to me, straight to answer phone or would ring there end but not mine. never had a problem with 1.27 but will keep trying the new ones
I have been using 1.50 since it came out and have not had any problems with it at all. Battery life is very good. Phone rings after 1-2 rings on the other end. No dropped calls due to my end.
Will look out for the problems people seem to be having here though.
I have just changed my UK T-Mobile MDA Pro for a Vario 2, and one of the first things I did was to flash it with the unofficial T-Mobile WM6 upgrade. After about a day, I started to experience lockups on the phone and GPRS. So I went back to WM5 (found a T-Mobile WM5 on the Wiki, albeit Hungarian!). That cured the lockups. The weird thing is that the radio remained as the upgraded 1.50.
My conclusion is, WM6 is not yet compatible with T-Mobile UK.
Hissing Syd said:
I have just changed my UK T-Mobile MDA Pro for a Vario 2, and one of the first things I did was to flash it with the unofficial T-Mobile WM6 upgrade. After about a day, I started to experience lockups on the phone and GPRS. So I went back to WM5 (found a T-Mobile WM5 on the Wiki, albeit Hungarian!). That cured the lockups. The weird thing is that the radio remained as the upgraded 1.50.
My conclusion is, WM6 is not yet compatible with T-Mobile UK.
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Syd, don't give up so easily on WM6! I've been using it since the first test ROMs surfaced - the main reason being I wanted to get rid of the daily lock-ups I was experiencing on WM5. I haven't had a lockup for months now, and can go several days without resetting the phone (generally do it whenever the available RAM figure gets lower than I'd like). The T-Mobile WM6 ROM was just a test ROM and as such may well have bugs. I'd suggest trying some of the Chef cooked ROMs over on the WM6 forum, or trying Pandora if you know what you want.
T-Mobile and WM6 make a wonderful partnership, believe me!
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Syd, don't give up so easily on WM6! I've been using it since the first test ROMs surfaced - the main reason being I wanted to get rid of the daily lock-ups I was experiencing on WM5. I haven't had a lockup for months now, and can go several days without resetting the phone (generally do it whenever the available RAM figure gets lower than I'd like). The T-Mobile WM6 ROM was just a test ROM and as such may well have bugs. I'd suggest trying some of the Chef cooked ROMs over on the WM6 forum, or trying Pandora if you know what you want.
T-Mobile and WM6 make a wonderful partnership, believe me!
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Confused Stu, Thanks for those encouraging words. I will indeed take the plunge again, and go for a cooked WM6 ROM. At the moment, I am torn between TNT 2.0 and Schap's Pro 3.6.
Thanks again for the reassurance.
I got my Vario II at the weekend so I can't really comment on improvement from the defaults, but I upgraded straight away to Schap's Pro 3.6 and the 1.50 radio and everything is stable.
I am thinking of changing to Black Satin though, just to see the difference.
Yet to really put the device through a tough test though, will let you know if I manage to get a day's use out of it when I'm caning it hard.
I've had 1.50 for about a month. It took me a while to realise I was NEVER getting 3G (I put it down to TM's flakey coverage at first!).
Also noticed I kept failing to get to the phone in time to answer calls (2-3 rings max) - At first I though my voicemail setting were too aggressive, then I tested by calling myself and realised it was ringing 2-3 times before the Hermes even woke up I put this down to the usual windows bloat at first but after reading here I see other people associate this problem with the radio firmware.
Oh, and battery life is appalling. Have been caught out several times, and it's down to 20-40% by the evening if I don't use it for anything. Definitely DOESN'T make it through the night if I forget to charge.
Just gotta work out which version to switch too... !
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PS schaps 3.60a
It used to take me under 5 seconds to lock onto a satellite using 3.35 radio, now that I upgraded to the leaked 3.39 radio and DCD 3.1.2 rom it's taking exactly 13seconds to lock onto a satellite.
Does anyone have similar results or is it better for you? please post your times and comments thanks!
well it takes me around 10-12 seconds consistently with 3.39.10, whether indoors or outdoors, in any weather conditions. but, thats the best result i've ever had. 3.35 and 3.37 both took a minute or more to lock for me.
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It used to take me under 5 seconds to lock onto a satellite using 3.35 radio, now that I upgraded to the leaked 3.39 radio and DCD 3.1.2 rom it's taking exactly 13seconds to lock onto a satellite.
Does anyone have similar results or is it better for you? please post your times and comments thanks!
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Have you tried something like QuickGPS? I know DCD has a cab for it in the kitchen 3.1.2 thread. It speeds it up a lot.
10-13 SECONDS.... are you kiddin me.... My friend, sometimes I have to wait a minute, so if you have to wait 13 seconds, please consider yourself lucky that your hardware locks on that fast....
i agree, the time you use to open up quickgps or some other program would be longer than waiting the 13 seconds...im happy if i get a lock after a minute or two. sometimes takes closer to 5...
10-15 seconds, I would love that on a consistent basis.
Ok I've been meaning to say something about this ever since the leak from Sprint enabled GPS on our phones...just haven't gotten around to it.
I'm willing to bet a MILLION dollars that I don't have that the gpsone chip in our phones has some sort of built in cache memory that stores the last long and lat coordinates.
It's so weird, EVERY time I flash to a new rom, or even flash the same rom over itself, when I load up Google Maps (brand new Google Maps with all the caches cleared obviously cuz of the flash), IMMEDIATELY the map shifts over to where I was last, THEN it tries to acquire satellites. Once the sats are locked, it updates to where I'm actually at.
I just wonder if there's any way to clear the cache LOL
I flashed the "Leaked" rom,DCD was right,it took about 10 seconds to find and locked for me,same as the 3.35 ROM.
I get a lock in 30 seconds using WiFiFoFum
takes about 10 seconds for me to get a lock...
i couldn't imagine getting a lock in under 5 seconds, and even if i did, getting one in 10 seconds, while being twice the time, isn't much of a real world difference.
i guess it would really matter if you were converting phones into missile guidance systems...
nevermind guys...i was testing it indoors and thats what gave me 13 seconds...im now in my car and googlemaps only takes 5 seconds to lock onto 8+ satellites. yay im happy again
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Ok I've been meaning to say something about this ever since the leak from Sprint enabled GPS on our phones...just haven't gotten around to it.
I'm willing to bet a MILLION dollars that I don't have that the gpsone chip in our phones has some sort of built in cache memory that stores the last long and lat coordinates.
It's so weird, EVERY time I flash to a new rom, or even flash the same rom over itself, when I load up Google Maps (brand new Google Maps with all the caches cleared obviously cuz of the flash), IMMEDIATELY the map shifts over to where I was last, THEN it tries to acquire satellites. Once the sats are locked, it updates to where I'm actually at.
I just wonder if there's any way to clear the cache LOL
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No, there's a GPS chip in there. It looks very quickly sometimes under 10 seconds for me when in a decent coverage area.
I recently used it in an area where I had ZERO Sprint, Alltel, or Verizon coverage. Not a wiff of CDMA for many miles. The GPS worked great and tracked us with no issues.
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No, there's a GPS chip in there. It looks very quickly sometimes under 10 seconds for me when in a decent coverage area.
I recently used it in an area where I had ZERO Sprint, Alltel, or Verizon coverage. Not a wiff of CDMA for many miles. The GPS worked great and tracked us with no issues.
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i think you are misinterpreting his question. he did word it weirdly, but he said, hed be willing to be a million dollars that he doesnt have....
that the chip in his phone, etc...
obviously we have a gps chip in the phone, thats how we get gps coverage....
but ive tried to lock gps with no service, and havent been able to.
is this just bad luck on my part, or is there a way to get a gps lock in airplane mode, or in another country where i wouldnt have service.
thanks
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Ok I've been meaning to say something about this ever since the leak from Sprint enabled GPS on our phones...just haven't gotten around to it.
I'm willing to bet a MILLION dollars that I don't have that the gpsone chip in our phones has some sort of built in cache memory that stores the last long and lat coordinates.
It's so weird, EVERY time I flash to a new rom, or even flash the same rom over itself, when I load up Google Maps (brand new Google Maps with all the caches cleared obviously cuz of the flash), IMMEDIATELY the map shifts over to where I was last, THEN it tries to acquire satellites. Once the sats are locked, it updates to where I'm actually at.
I just wonder if there's any way to clear the cache LOL
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Wow, I thought it was just me that noticed that. Glad someone else did too. I thought it had something to do with a small cache in the GPS chip as well.
BTW Speeds to lock:
3.27 - With DCD (Beta kitchen maybe, I forget) Hardly ever locked so I cant tell you. Got Locks maybe twice a day while trying 30 to 50 times a day.
Changed Moguls at this point due to my puppy eating it. Sorry didint think to grab pics as I had other things on my mind at that point.
3.27 - This was a band new hanset now and I flashed 3.27 and got the exact same results I did the with first handset.
3.35 - With DCD (3.0.1) - Not much better but more consistent locking. Times from 30 seconds (rare) to 5 minutes (average)
3.37 - (DCD 3.0.4) - Fast locks nearly every time, 30 to 60 seconds. First time ever reception indoors. Three sats in my basement office.
3.39 sprint upgrade with a DCD 3.0.4 - INSANELY Fast. After burning the sprint radio I swapped over to a DCD 3.0.4 ROM. You wont beleive this but I made my own OEM for GPS Today. It had 4 satellites even before the phone finished booting the first time! I am not joking! I was amped. Rebooted hard and soft, reloaded differnt roms, tried reverting back to old radio then testing then back again to 3.39. Same results I recieved the first time when I went back to 3.37. Then came back to 3.39 and it was just as fast as ever. This the most solid GPS radio I have ever seen, PERIOD. Faster than any mobile unit I have ever used.
Now what I am about to tell is somewhat of an oddity to me. During my flashng and reflashing of the radio I tried differnt methods. First I flashed back to Sprint 3.35 so I could get the HTC boot screens I liked and then I figured I would flash only the radio via SD. Formmated the card, loaded the ROM, rebooted and the flash went perfect. But this is where it gets odd. With all of the same ROMS noted above I couldn't get a lock at all! I actually had to reflash using the sprint 3.39 leak. I then flashed with a PPC kitchen to get rid of the boot screens this time. Then flashed my best brew of DCD 3.0.4 and this thing is still solid. I even let it sleep overnight, turn it on frist thing in the morning and it gets a lock in under 45 seconds!
(And yes I am sure the flash via SD was succesful)
-Scott
ActiveSync sinking locks?
I've been using all of the DCD Rom's and have had various levels of locking success, but just ran into something odd - If ActiveSync is running - locks take much much longer, if ever, but if I completely close ActiveSync with task manager - I get locks in seconds. Has anyone else noticed this - and - is it possible to prevent ActiveSync from auto-starting?
I wonder if that is my problem. It takes my a painfully long time to get an initial GPS lock with 3.35 and DCD 3.04. Sometimes it is fairly quick, others it is over 1/2 hour.
However, I have Exchange email push running all the time so ActiveSync is constantly up and doing it's thing.
Quick question, Does QuickGPS need to be running in the background for it to help, or do I just run the update then close it down?
GPS works in Flight Mode!
I recently took a flight from Palm Beach to DC and decided to do a little test while on the plane. I turned on my phone and fired up my garmin mobile XT GPS. The first attempt it locked on to about 10 satelites in under 5 minutes and worked perfectly while in airplane/flight mode. Obviously you can't do this with Google Maps because the maps are downloaded via the data connection, which you don't have at 35000 feet! However it was pretty cool to see the speed of the plane (612 mph) and track my flight path. But to all who were wondering it does work!
gcincotta said:
Ok I've been meaning to say something about this ever since the leak from Sprint enabled GPS on our phones...just haven't gotten around to it.
I'm willing to bet a MILLION dollars that I don't have that the gpsone chip in our phones has some sort of built in cache memory that stores the last long and lat coordinates.
It's so weird, EVERY time I flash to a new rom, or even flash the same rom over itself, when I load up Google Maps (brand new Google Maps with all the caches cleared obviously cuz of the flash), IMMEDIATELY the map shifts over to where I was last, THEN it tries to acquire satellites. Once the sats are locked, it updates to where I'm actually at.
I just wonder if there's any way to clear the cache LOL
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I believe it jumps near your location because it knows the coordinates of the cell tower you're connected to.
I believe it jumps near your location because it knows the coordinates of the cell tower you're connected to.
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I don't think you read my post carefully...I said it jumps to where I was LAST...not close to where I am. For instance, say I was in Boston and use the GPS, then I turn it off and go home and reflash a rom. All system settings are erased and all system caches are gone and everything is new. I then go to New York and turn the GPS back on, and it jumps to where I was in Boston before it locks any satellites. I was saying that this leads me to believe there is some sort of cache on the gpsone chip that stores last location coordinates or something.
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I don't think you read my post carefully...I said it jumps to where I was LAST...not close to where I am. For instance, say I was in Boston and use the GPS, then I turn it off and go home and reflash a rom. All system settings are erased and all system caches are gone and everything is new. I then go to New York and turn the GPS back on, and it jumps to where I was in Boston before it locks any satellites. I was saying that this leads me to believe there is some sort of cache on the gpsone chip that stores last location coordinates or something.
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That's weird. For me whenever i flash and go to Google Maps it always goes either to California (I'm in Mass) or it goes to a blue screen with the flashing blue dot. It's not always reliable which one but it's always one of the 2. Once i get my first fix though then whenever i turn my GPS on it DOES jump to the last position i was in.
That's weird. For me whenever i flash and go to Google Maps it always goes either to California (I'm in Mass) or it goes to a blue screen with the flashing blue dot. It's not always reliable which one but it's always one of the 2. Once i get my first fix though then whenever i turn my GPS on it DOES jump to the last position i was in.
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No, when I FIRST load Google Maps, it starts up in California, but when I activate the GPS is when it goes to the cached position I was in last, until it locks on to the satellites, then it jumps to where I'm actually at.
There's gotta be a cache.
Of the three recent radios which one (3.42.40 or .50 or .30) is the best to use with a Sprint Mogul?
Does anyone know what primary differences or improvements that one radio has over another?
Do the different radios have different affects on battery life at all?
Do I get improved reception with one radio over another?
Can anyone say, without doubt, that one of the three radios is hands down better than the other two?
Again, I am mostly concerned about the affects on a Sprint Mogul.
I second that question
I was wondering the same thing.
Reception is a bigger deal for me as i live in a rural area.
Battery life is secondary.
madsuse said:
I was wondering the same thing.
Reception is a bigger deal for me as i live in a rural area.
Battery life is secondary.
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some people state that they have much better GPS locks starting with 3.42 and up I myself is running .50 and can lock gps sats in less then 10 seconds. Reception is the same, there is not difference in my area. I travel through rural areas and have had no issues with reception.
If I were you, I would run each one and see which one you like!!!!
I am running .50 and with TT7 I get locks in under 10 seconds. BTW TT7 is awesome!
any testing of the radio without monitoring the right measurements will be purely a waste of time.
Honestly, if it works fine, that should be good enough. Radio measurements fluctuate so rapidly and user testing is so subjective that any "opinion" would be meaningless.
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any testing of the radio without monitoring the right measurements will be purely a waste of time.
Honestly, if it works fine, that should be good enough. Radio measurements fluctuate so rapidly and user testing is so subjective that any "opinion" would be meaningless.
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Couldnt agree more. You can be standing in 1 spot and the radio strength fluctuates. They all work fine.
woah rajuabju it is time to update your rom
.50 is from a vogue and ported successfully to a titan.
.40 is newer than .30 if that matters or if you think it means anything.
I prefer .50 to .30 w/o scientific testing.
I've heard good stuff about .40 on the GPS front and may try it soon.
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.50 is from a vogue and ported successfully to a titan.
.40 is newer than .30 if that matters or if you think it means anything.
I prefer .50 to .30 w/o scientific testing.
I've heard good stuff about .40 on the GPS front and may try it soon.
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I get incredible GPS reception with .40 vs .50. It locks in 15 seconds and is much more consistent. I would recomend .40 over any radio and I have tried them all. No placebo affect. Am sure of it.
Running DCD 3.5.2
Pretty good info so far guys. But does carrier (mine is Sprint), or flavor of Titan factor in to which radio will function best?
In other words, does a radio released for a Vogue work just as well on a Mogul?
i have noticed absolutely no difference in reception or gps sync or battery life with the .40 vs. .50 vs. .30, but i did notice that .50 freezes my phone .. a lot, while the others don't.
I'd say its near impossible to really get an idea of GPS lock times in relation to radio versions. The lock is dependent on so many factors. Weather conditions, relative satellite position, distance from your last lock position, time interval from lock to lock, indoors / outdoors, the orientation of the antenna, how much of the horizon you are exposed to...
If you have a chance to use a dedicated GPS you will find that the lock times are variable even with a unit dedicated to finding the sats. Its the nature of the beast.
40 seems no better to me
I went from .50 to .40 for a day and I see no difference at all.
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Pretty good info so far guys. But does carrier (mine is Sprint), or flavor of Titan factor in to which radio will function best?
In other words, does a radio released for a Vogue work just as well on a Mogul?
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In most cases if ported properly: yes. But remember the vogue is a different device. The titan is the mogul is the xv6800 etc.
Once unlocked and flashed the only difference is the casing and settings. So you shouldn't see a difference. Though use whatever you feels is best.
I had good results with .50, but since switching to .40 a couple days ago locks seem to be a bit slower for me. Plan to go back to .50, but that's just my opinion. Never had freezing issues with any radios. I turn on the GPS once a day at the same time from the same location. I did this for 4 or 5 days with both .40 & .50. After 24 hours downtime, .50 seemed to lock quicker for me. About 30 sec with .50 vs. 60 sec with .40. Not really a huge difference.
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Has anyone noticed a difference in battery life with the different radios? I nstalled .50 a few days ago and found my battery drained super fast, so changed to .40 and find I am at my normal battery consumption. I only tested .50 for 2 days (requiring 2 full charges), but thought I would get feedback before trying it again.
where can i find the the bootloader and the 3.42.40 raidio for verizon xv6900
The talked about bootloader and radio are for the xv6800 not the xv6900. You need to look in the vogue section.
I got my O2 Serra last week, and was initially quite pleased with my battery life. Getting a GPS lock was a nightmare however, and so I upgraded the ROM - (PROven 1.09) and changed the radio to the 1.08.25.20 one as it had good reviews.
GPS was great, but damn did my battery life suffer. I thought I might have been in a dodgy reception area but was losing 10-12% per hour with no other usage! Switched 3G off and the power loss halved but was still too high. Tried the latest Xperia radio with the same results.
In the end I have dropped back to the stock radio 1.02.25.19 Took the phone off charge around 7 am, used the GPS for an hour and a half to get to work, have used the phone briefly and read emails (plus TOMTOM traffic data), and now six hours into the day the battery has dropped by 42% (This is all with 3G etc fully enabled). I consider this good as I am sure the GPS drains the power a lot.
My experience of thee radios seems to be at odds with most others in the radio thread, and many people do not specify country and carrier, making it hard to judge. Perhaps O2 have some specific network issues that mean that only certain radios will work well with it, and these are different to many other carriers.
Given that my experience on O2 (UK) seems rather different to the main thread and it is hard to isolate UK experiences there, I thought that anyone in UK could give a quick comment on the radio they are using, giving the radio, ROM and carrier they have.
Cheers.
Given that my experience on O2 (UK) seems rather different to the main thread and it is hard to isolate UK experiences there, I thought that anyone in UK could give a quick comment on the radio they are using, giving the radio, ROM and carrier they have.
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il agree there, could do with more detail from ppl when posting about their UK radio performance....
I see you are using one of the radios I had problems with - how are you finding it?
Am currently on the O2 UK Network and heres my finding so far
Here are the best wo Radio ROMs I've used so far
Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25
Currently using this:
Battery: Has been very very good though I don't think its been the best I've had
GSM/UTMS Radio: Has been very good I really can't tell whether this or the Polaris Radio has been the best, but I get EDGE at home where I never got this before. Also get UTMS on the Motor way much earlier than I usually get it during my travels.
GPS: Very quick cold boot, usually about 20sec for me. I've never really had the lag problem so can't comment much.
BT/WiFI: All seems good wifi doesn't disconnect as much as it usually did.
Quartz Radio 1.09.25.13
Currently using this:
Battery: Has been very very good though I think its given best battery life
GSM/UTMS Radio: Definitely one of the best if not the best.
GPS: Quick but not as quick as a lot of others no biggy 30sec from cold start!?
BT/WiFI: All seems good wifi doesn't disconnect as much as it usually did.
Don't think call quality was as good as the other radios.
Just my thoughts on what I've used.
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Am currently on the O2 UK Network and heres my finding so far
Here are the best wo Radio ROMs I've used so far
Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25
Currently using this:
Battery: Has been very very good though I don't think its been the best I've had
GSM/UTMS Radio: Has been very good I really can't tell whether this or the Polaris Radio has been the best, but I get EDGE at home where I never got this before. Also get UTMS on the Motor way much earlier than I usually get it during my travels.
GPS: Very quick cold boot, usually about 20sec for me. I've never really had the lag problem so can't comment much.
BT/WiFI: All seems good wifi doesn't disconnect as much as it usually did.
Quartz Radio 1.09.25.13
Currently using this:
Battery: Has been very very good though I think its given best battery life
GSM/UTMS Radio: Definitely one of the best if not the best.
GPS: Quick but not as quick as a lot of others no biggy 30sec from cold start!?
BT/WiFI: All seems good wifi doesn't disconnect as much as it usually did.
Don't think call quality was as good as the other radios.
Just my thoughts on what I've used.
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Hi,
How did you upgrade to the Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25?
This is what i have at the moment:
ROM.....: PROven ROM 1.11
Radio...: 1.02.25.28
SPL.....: 1.90 OliNex
I have the xda serra but i cant seem to get a lock onto any satalites.
It worked once - but thats all.
I want to try the blackstone radio to see if it helps.
I've downloaded the BS_Radio_1.10.25.25.nbh file but i dont know what to do with it.
I tried copying the file into a another file with RaphaelWrapper.exe but i get upgrade error when i gets to 100% - i then have to load the old radio back.
1. - are you security unlocked (different to CID or SIM unlocked)
If you don't know, then you aren't.
You must be to use non Raphael radios
If you are, then
2. Use the mirror site - I think it is properly packaged there.
crazyC said:
1. - are you security unlocked (different to CID or SIM unlocked)
If you don't know, then you aren't.
You must be to use non Raphael radios
If you are, then
2. Use the mirror site - I think it is properly packaged there.
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I dont think i'm security unlocked - (havent done anything for it)
I did use the wiki site to get the radio.
How is your O2 XDA Serra - PROven 1.09 ROM, Radio 1.02.25.19 working with GPS? - does it lock onto any satalites? if it does i'll try out your settings first.
Works OK - havent had it long.
Best way for me - not always necessary tho is:
First make sure QuickGPS is fully up to date
then run Visual GPS wait for a few mionutes and see if it gets a lock
Then run TomTom
I stick the phone by the window five mins before leaving work and then hot start it in the car. Should be OK and will try again tonight.
Seriously though - you MUST be security unlocked to try Blackstone/Diamond radios etc.
Am gonna try out this mighty Blackstone radio everyone is going on about ... will report back tomorrow hopefully.
Hi all,
can i consider you´re experiences also working for me ?
i live in the Netherlands and my provider is Telfort ? O2?
GPS Lock
sallygreen100 said:
I dont think i'm security unlocked - (havent done anything for it)
I did use the wiki site to get the radio.
How is your O2 XDA Serra - PROven 1.09 ROM, Radio 1.02.25.19 working with GPS? - does it lock onto any satalites? if it does i'll try out your settings first.
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Hi,
If you are having big problems getting a GPS fix, ensure that you have disabled the AGPS function in Start/Settings/System or use Advanced Config to disable it.
It should improve things a lot for getting an intial fix.
Cheers,
Beasty
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Am currently on the O2 UK Network and heres my finding so far
Here are the best wo Radio ROMs I've used so far
Blackstone Radio 1.10.25.25
Currently using this:
Battery: Has been very very good though I don't think its been the best I've had
GSM/UTMS Radio: Has been very good I really can't tell whether this or the Polaris Radio has been the best, but I get EDGE at home where I never got this before. Also get UTMS on the Motor way much earlier than I usually get it during my travels.
GPS: Very quick cold boot, usually about 20sec for me. I've never really had the lag problem so can't comment much.
BT/WiFI: All seems good wifi doesn't disconnect as much as it usually did.
Quartz Radio 1.09.25.13
Currently using this:
Battery: Has been very very good though I think its given best battery life
GSM/UTMS Radio: Definitely one of the best if not the best.
GPS: Quick but not as quick as a lot of others no biggy 30sec from cold start!?
BT/WiFI: All seems good wifi doesn't disconnect as much as it usually did.
Don't think call quality was as good as the other radios.
Just my thoughts on what I've used.
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Hi WizP,
Great to see you over here in the Raphael forum.
I think we all suffer slightly from radio issues on the Raph..........
How does your compare with your signal on your Uni out of interest.
I have tried several radio stacks, but none as yet give me anywhere close to the signal strength and call clarity that I get from the Uni.
Cheers,
Beasty
I live in London, I am on O2 and use the 1.02.25.28. Having previously tried the .19 this one by far better with regards to signal strength and WiFi. I get one bar more than before. I have been using the GPS and it seems a little bit faster but nothing mind blowing and havent used it on a clear blue sky yet to see if this makes any difference. Will report back again and will compare this one to the blackstone over the weekend.
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I live in London, I am on O2 and use the 1.02.25.28. Having previously tried the .19 this one by far better with regards to signal strength and WiFi. I get one bar more than before. I have been using the GPS and it seems a little bit faster but nothing mind blowing and havent used it on a clear blue sky yet to see if this makes any difference. Will report back again and will compare this one to the blackstone over the weekend.
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Battery life? The only real issue I have seen with any of the radios is battery life.
Tried the Blackstone radio last night - no particular issues- not sure 3g reception is as good but no other problems .
Will try the .28 radio next.
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Battery life? The only real issue I have seen with any of the radios is battery life.
Tried the Blackstone radio last night - no particular issues- not sure 3g reception is as good but no other problems .
Will try the .28 radio next.
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It is better than the .19.
crazyC said:
Battery life? The only real issue I have seen with any of the radios is battery life.
Tried the Blackstone radio last night - no particular issues- not sure 3g reception is as good but no other problems .
Will try the .28 radio next.
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How is the GPS on the blackstone rom?
regards,
OK when outside or in car. No great change from the .19 radio I was using.
I have no problems navigating using TomTom apart from a bit of lag, but it is manageable and I am watching the other GPS thread for a solution - I have yet to try the GPSFix cab etc.
I've been meaning to start a thread like this for a while, as I think it's more helpful to discuss radio rom performance for individual locations. I'm using an XDA Serra on O2 UK, so far not very impressed with radio performance.
I've got the stock O2 UK ROM, and I've tried radio roms 1.02.25.19 (stock), 1.02.25.28, 1.08.25.20M1, and now on 1.09.25.14 (Blackstone). My main criteria is GSM (voice) performance, which is paramount to me, and I live in a poor signal area, so where I am talking about radio performance I am specifically referring to 2g GSM1800 voice.
Compared to all my other (much older) phones - Vox, tornado, Nokia 6100, the Raphael has much lower signal strengh - permanently shows 1-2 bars less on the display, and always much lower in 'Field Test' & GSMTestMode tools. I believe that the signal strength indicator on the vox and Raphael (both WM6) operate on the same scale, but I could be wrong, that's why I also check the RSSI figures.
All of the four radio's above have been very similar in low signal performance, regularly dropping calls and hunting for signal where my other phones hold 2 bars all day long and rarely drop calls.
This leads me to the conclusion that weak radio performance is a hardware flaw of the Raphael, rather than rough software - I'm sure HTC have got the radio drivers 99.5% perfect pretty much from the off - they have afterall managed it with past devices.
I am also using a GSM repeater in my house - let me explain this a little further. Without the repeater I can get usable signal in one upstairs room in my house. The repeater has a panel antenna pointing out of this window towards the nearest base station. I then have the amplifier h/w and repeater aerial (rubber duck antenna) in roughly in the centre of the building. This works very well with all my other phones - I can make & receive voice calls anywhere inside the building with at least 2 bars of signal using my vox. The Raph struggles with calls almost everywhere in the building, other than right next to the repeater antenna (where I get 3 bars on the Raph, and 4 on the vox).
The GSM repeater gives me a good tool to assess signal strength ability of the handsets relative to each other. What I have found it that when placed right up against the repeater antenna, the Raph shows a slightly higher RSSI than the vox (although the vox appears to limit the gain more intelligently, perhaps to counter too high a signal?). As the devices are moved away from the repeater, RSSI falls off far more rapidly on the Raph than the other devices, which is part of what leads me to believe the radio hardware is the problem.
My findings so far:
Stock O2 Radio .25.19 did seem slightly worse than the others,
.25.14 seems slightly better than .28 and .20M1, but we are talking very small differences and could be just placebo effect.
.25.14 might appear to be better as it doesn't look like it's 'searching' as much, but when I come to make a call, the two bars of signal strength mysteriously vanish, viewing RSSI in fieldtest seems validate that .25.14 continues to show two bars when in fact the signal has dropped substantially.
With all radios, I seem to find that I get better signal strength with the phone horizontal rather than vertical - this is unusual as the handset antenna is usually tuned to work better vertically, because thats generally the position it's in when you put it to your ear.
I've never, ever seen a 3g signal with my Raph, and I travelled all over the country with it at Christmas. Maybe I was never in a 3g area the whole time. I don't think telcos are putting up many more 3g masts, so it looks like we will be relying on 2g coverage for the foreseeable future.
Turning off HSDPA on the Raph certainly saves battery, and it appears to help the 2g GSM signal performance as well. As I live in Cornwall, the chances of me ever getting any advantage from a 3g signal are very slim!
I've never managed to get any GPS signal at all from the built in GPS. Not with any of the above radios, or even fiddling with Advanced Config, GPS Test, GPSID settings, HTC GPS Tool. I can't even find the built in GPS device on any com port. Works fine with my external B/T GPS box. Either my GPS h/w is faulty or the O2 Rom disables it. Frustrating, as everyone else seems to get it to work to some degree at least.
1.10.25.25 will probably be the next radio I try, although from what others have said it's not a huge leap forward in GSM performance.
Has anyone compared GSM radio performance to the Diamond, Touch HD, or Rose devices? As much as I love the features of the Raph, I use my phone for my business, and the most important feature is phone performance for me, everything else is secondary. At this rate I am going to have to go back to the vox for phone, and use the raph for everything else. But that means I will have to carry 2 devices where one should cope.
Sorry for the hideosuly long post, but I've got quite a lot to say about raph radio performance.
mike-b, I don't think your post was hideously long it was very informative, so thank you from a noob ; ) Just in case you haven't tried it, go to an area you know to have lots of satellites above you (if you see what I mean), run GPS Tool to see how many sats your pro is picking up and then just sit still and wait...and wait..... It took me two weeks of messing around to get my first lock. The out of the box settings work the best for me, plus patience followed by regular downloads of Quick GPS data.
To the original poster, I run an unbranded Touch Pro on O2 pay and go, on the standard ROM. I've tried the original .19 radio and .28 and I honestly can't tell the difference between the two with regard GSM/3G/HSDPA performance, and there was certainly no improvement in the AWFUL gps. (Does the radio even affect GPS? I've read so many conficting opinions on that front, LOL)
With regard to battery life, for me the biggest problem is that I live on the edge (no pun intended) of a GSM/Edge/HSDPA area, and for me switching between them that is what seems to kill my battery.
When I had the original O2 rom, getting a lock was a problem but possible, and once I had a lock it was fine.
Definately switch off AGPS.
There is some lag on the GPS with TomTom but its is easily usable - and hopefully the guys looking into it will completely solve it soon.
I only kept the original ROM on the phone for about a day.
At the start of the day, I run QGPS (if I remember this is not in the O2 ROM), get into my car, put the phone in the holder, start the engine, wait a minute or two at most, I get a lock and off I go.
The only odd thing I had was this morning where part way through my journey the GPS froze. not TomTom, just the GPS. it was very odd. it did not lose signal, just froze. closed TT, ran QGPS, restarted TomTom and away I went all fine though.
Am now running the .28 radio and will see how that goes over the next few days as I will be out of the office.
Just for the record, I get 3G/H most of the time, but live and work in SE London and NW Kent.
Have just started VisualGPS and put my phone by the window - so lets see what happens.
EDIT - and a lock within 60 seconds.
I had the stock alltel radio I don't even remeber the version. I have switched to the verizon radio 1.03.09V. This has completely fixed the gps issue and even call quality is much louder and clearer. However, my battery life now only lasts about 5 hours on normal use and about 7 on light use. Use to get about 14 on light and 8-9 under normal. Now have flashed the new dragon rom, latest release, at the same time as the radio (so I don't know which it is). I am wondering what other people are experiencing.
I recently flashed the new stock Alltel rom (2.01.671.1) with radio 1.12.20F and really like it. Good clear calls and reception. I think my battery life has gone up a little bit from the previous one. FWIW
ccrdr said:
I recently flashed the new stock Alltel rom (2.01.671.1) with radio 1.12.20F and really like it. Good clear calls and reception. I think my battery life has gone up a little bit from the previous one. FWIW
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What about gps performance (lock time and lag).
Haven't had a chance for extensive gps testing but so far seems pretty good. A few seconds to lock, haven't noticed much lag either.