Dear community members,
I need a piece of advice... I am, now for quite some time, an HTC TyTn [a.k.a Hermes] owner/user.
I am seriously considering buying an HTC Touch Pro [a.k.a Raphael]. But I need some advice…
I will try to ask my questions/concerns in an outline style… Please bare with me and try to help…
¤ Is Raphael’s performance superior or inferior to Hermes?
¤ How does the GPS behave? Is it satisfactory?
¤ Is the ROM development community becoming more active? Will it ever be like the Hermes one?
Thank you.
Cheers.
As a Hermes user who has just upgraded to a Raphael, i can tell you this:
- Performance difference is huge. TF3D speed is acceptable out of the box, but with the tweaks offered here on the forum, very fast. But there are loads of other things that make the upgrade worth while: gps, much better sound quality playing music, FM radio, a superb VGA screen, more memory, better surfing experience, youtube client and much more...
- Haven't tested GPS yet
- That is one of the main reason why i upgraded to the Raphael instead of the SE Xperia, because a lot of the Hermes/Tilt cooks are coming over to this forum.
With a little luck the Raph should be the daddy, will be receiving mine some time over the next week.
WDawn said:
As a Hermes user who has just upgraded to a Raphael, i can tell you this:
- Performance difference is huge. TF3D speed is acceptable out of the box, but with the tweaks offered here on the forum, very fast. But there are loads of other things that make the upgrade worth while: gps, much better sound quality playing music, FM radio, a superb VGA screen, more memory, better surfing experience, youtube client and much more...
- Haven't tested GPS yet
- That is one of the main reason why i upgraded to the Raphael instead of the SE Xperia, because a lot of the Hermes/Tilt cooks are coming over to this forum.
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Thank you for your prompt answer
My greatest curiosity was about the overall performance and GPS...
A shame you haven't tried your GPS yet...
Neverhteless, thank you so much.
Cheers and good luck with your new device
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With a little luck the Raph should be the daddy, will be receiving mine some time over the next week.
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Yup! I will be getting mine [according to my plans and if no one decides to drop a piano over my head] on the 29th i.e 6 days form now
Can't wait... I look like a little kid waiting for christmas eve... LOL
Cheers and good luck for both of us and our brand new devices.
I've tried GPS and it finds satellites quickly way faster than my tytn II but not as fast as i would like. I used Garmin mobile xt and visualgpsce to test it.
I had the hermes and the tytn II and this is by far better than both in finger friendliness and in performance.
Bxsteez said:
I've tried GPS and it finds satellites quickly way faster than my tytn II but not as fast as i would like. I used Garmin mobile xt and visualgpsce to test it.
I had the hermes and the tytn II and this is by far better than both in finger friendliness and in performance.
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Remember getting a fix for the first session is generally the slowest time, with continued use Ive always noticed GPS fixes are quicker....this is using my Holux BT320 with my Hermes......the built in one in the Hermes naturally shows two satelites erroneously which is a shame
(yes i KNOW the GPS doesnt work in the Hermes but it gets a fix on 2 real quick hehehe).
I use TomTom 7 on my Raphael and the first fix was a bit long, but also because i didn´t update my QuickGPS tool.
Second time use was much quicker. Great reception even in bad weather conditions.
I also used to be a Hermes user but the Raphael rocks big time, especially when you run the Raphael Tweaks in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413562
I'm also curious about the GPS performance. I currently have a Holux GR-230 GPS receiver connected to my Hermes and I'm thinking of upgrading to the Raphael, as I'd like the GPS internal (and many other features, but GPS primarily).
I'm wondering whether the GPS performance is comparable to an external GPS receiver, or if I would have to weigh a better external GPS receiver against a more convenient internal GPS receiver.
On other threads I've seen many response that GPS is good and fine and all that, but I'm just wondering how it compares to an external one. Hope someone can shed light on this.
Hermes against Raphael
Hello,
also used Hermes for last 2 years and now upgraded to Raphael. There is no way how to say, how big difference this is... from style design to VGA, speed - everything is uncomparamble with Hermes. I think, there is other HTC killer machine
Have Raph for about week and half and tried to test everything.
Desing is awesome. Yesterday I take my Hermes out for cottage (it is my wifi router now) and I was supprised, how ugly this device is against Raph.
Display - awesome, this is cool. Compared with qVGA this is cool. Great is also, that there is no display frame above display, so u can easily touch corners with your fingers. Also better touch support is great.
Speed is great, RAM helps very much.
Everything is great on this device. If Hermes was for you right device, as was for me, u will love Raph.
MaRaHoX said:
Hello,
also used Hermes for last 2 years and now upgraded to Raphael. There is no way how to say, how big difference this is... from style design to VGA, speed - everything is uncomparamble with Hermes. I think, there is other HTC killer machine
Have Raph for about week and half and tried to test everything.
Desing is awesome. Yesterday I take my Hermes out for cottage (it is my wifi router now) and I was supprised, how ugly this device is against Raph.
Display - awesome, this is cool. Compared with qVGA this is cool. Great is also, that there is no display frame above display, so u can easily touch corners with your fingers. Also better touch support is great.
Speed is great, RAM helps very much.
Everything is great on this device. If Hermes was for you right device, as was for me, u will love Raph.
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Dear MaRaHoX,
Will you start developing ROMs to Raphael as you did to Hermes?
Cheers.
Kevlar-Source said:
Dear MaRaHoX,
Will you start developing ROMs to Raphael as you did to Hermes?
Cheers.
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Yeah please do MaRaHoX because i´m a big fan of your ROM´s
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Just an FYI -
There is a NEW StarTrek coming soon. This, of course, will be available all over the world and Cingular will be caring it. There are some major upgrades to this device. (GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS850, UMTS1900, UMTS2100, WM6, 400Mhz CPU and a 2MP Camera) Not to shabby for a clamshell.
HTC S420
Here are the specs - http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=727&view=1
Enjoy -
as cartman would say, sweeeeeeeetttttt!
Where have you read anything that Cingular will carry this for sure? I'm hoping that they will but to date all I have seen is speculation.
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Where have you read anything that Cingular will carry this for sure? I'm hoping that they will but to date all I have seen is speculation.
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John - Here are some articles from the press. Also, this does have the GPS chip in it also. The downside is that the preliminary specs show a USB 1.1 speeds. Arghh!! Why have a phone this nice with USB 1.1 is crazy! Not all that bad though.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/03/more_htc_s420_details_emerge.html
http://www.uberphones.com/2007/03/htc/more_on_the_htc_s420/
http://www.instagps.com/entry/rumored-htc-s420-erato-has-gps-too/
Enjoy -
128mb rom and 64mb ram is useless in a device with these specs. You will have limited opportunity of putting it to use without running out of memory. And why such a meagre battery? I would have thought that cingular 3125 has set the way to go.
sales figures (the future of WM flipphones) ?
Does anyone have sales figures on the 3125 ?
Basically, I'd like to know if it appears that Smart flipphones like the 3125 are popular enough that we can expect strong future developments, even an increase in their prevalence.
There's a constant little battle, e.g. in Treo forums, WM forums, as to whether *everyone* wants a QWERTY, whether candybay-QWERTY phones are the "one true" form factor. I for one, prefer no QWERTY, and a flipphone. I have a feeling that I'm in the minority -- but that's ok. The real question is: Is it so small a minority that we can't expect much in the way of future offerings. The 3125 is really the only current example of this form factor (there were the Samsung i500, i600, and the Kyocera 7135 and the Moto MPX200 in the past). Is the future not terribly bright ?
I really want an 3125-like phone WITH a touch screen, running full PPC. No way ? Why not ?
Qwerty-haters unite
I really want an 3125-like phone WITH a touch screen, running full PPC. No way ? Why not ?
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We may be in the minority, but I'm totally with ya - that is my ideal converged device. The numeric keys are the important ones (especially in my case, where my employer enforces passcode lock if I choose to do Exchange sync, so I am punching in numbers all the time). But Qwerty tends to add a lot of bulk on a device that I want slim and pocketable - so if you want slim like I do, touchscreen and stylus should be good enough for text entry. I think most people haven't worked with stylus enough to see that it can be pretty fast.
The 3125 is really the only current example of this form factor
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Well, if you are in the US, there is one other offering now. If you don't mind a CDMA network, Verizon recently came out with the Pantech PN-820 WM5 flip smartphone. Not significant worldwide, but maybe a hopeful sign for our favorite form factor...
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/02/03/verizon-gets-pn-820-smartphone-out-the-door/
Is the future not terribly bright ?
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Well I still agree we are in the minority, but a couple of manufacturers are about to give us our wildest dream and see if it flies. If you haven't already, you need to check out the upcoming i-Mate Ultimate 9150, supposed to be available in June this year. It's everything you've mentioned - flip-phone with WM6 Pro (full PPC with touchscreen) and a very nice spec sheet:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=720
The only thing it is missing that I really want in my ultimate converged device is built-in GPS. For that, I am keeping my eye on the upcoming HTC P5500 (aka "Nike"), supposed to be available in September. It is a numeric slider instead of flip, but similar idea so maybe close enough for me...
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=736
I agree, the 3125 form factor is the way to go. I can type much faster with T-9 than with the Qwerty anway. Unfortunately, everyone seems to be in love with either the bricks like the 8525 or the Treo.
Thanks for the pointers to coming promising smart flipphones. Perhaps there *is* a god ... We should throw the upcoming Samsung SGH-i770 into the same mix: with its innovative QWERTY, it might just solve the debate between dialpad and QWERTY:
http://www.handcellphone.com/archives/innovative-qwerty-full-keyboard-design-samsung-i770-cellular-phone#more-109
Is there any way we can ask/suggest to HTC to build a StarTrek with a touch screen and full PPC ?
still no wifi? WHY?!
I'd gladly forget 3G and include a WiFi chip... Because when I don't have a signal, I love to surf and find WiFi hotspots, and I have all my calls forwarded to a skype number when unavailable (sort of like UMA, tho uma isn't available yet).
I wanted the StarTrek so badly, but lack of WiFi breaks the deal for me! I was hoping they'd add it to this one... *sigh*, guess I'm stuck with my tornado for now, with wiFi.
new start trek
i have qtek 8500 and its a fantastic phone now with this new one i could replace it
pitty the new one hasnt got wifi otherwise what i heard about it is a very good phone much better and faster than qtek 8500
I agree, I would give up 3g for a Wifi chip if it would cost acouple bucks more. I access the internet at higher speeds with a Wireless internet at home and work! The internet via Cingular is SLOW, even at it's fastest. Its like comparing dialup with high bandwidth. Cingular can not come close to 15 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload speeds.
Hi, all...
I have read a new atom v from internet. Very nice lookly . Please check this
abusalza said:
Hi, all...
I have read a new atom v from internet. Very nice lookly . Please check this
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Yeah it does look nice. the only con I can see from the specs is the 64MB SDRAM. It should have been loaded with a 128MB and it will be the godzilla of all ATOMS hehehe
some little add-ons left by MWg that was not integrated with the atom v
* a standard 3.5mm jack would be nice as well
* where's the IR? no more novII remote hehehe
Very nice...love that it has gps!
Seems it will be released in feb...I'll be getting one then
and its quite cheap! AU$839. htc touch cruise will be $1159!
Looks like it is QVGA (320x240)
thinks the Zinc II is nicer...
It be great if CPU up to 624Mhz and 1GB ROM like Atom Life and plus 128MB Ram
Love that camera is 3M Pixel
Don't know why they put gprs onto it but not increase cpu speed/ storage for big gps apps/ RAM for fast cache
Is it 520Mhz cpu perform faster or better than Atom Life??
Although i like the look of Atom Exec than Life or V
In my though
It will perfectly for me if
- CPU Better than or Equal 624MHz
- RAM >= 128MB
- ROM >= 512MB
- OS >= WM6
- GPS built in
- Camera >= 3MP (Better if 4MP or 5 MP) with better Zoom function
- Better Speaker than current Atom
- Less power comsumption (Conflict with CPU Speed) or Greater Battery
- LCD more than 2.8"
- Better HeadSet and can use with 3rd Party stereo earphone with FM enable through it
- Better Bluetooth Stack for Better music via bluetooth stereo with FM enable through it
I'm greedy ..... he he he
hehe, I like your suggestions! Also needs:
- 640x480 resolution screen
- Infared (only so I can use novii remote)
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thinks the Zinc II is nicer...
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Yeah... was going to get a HTC cruise but the Orbit II, Atom V and Zinx II all tick the right boxes for my needs... Would agree the Zinc II look very sexy
Doh, specs have changed to 2MP camera...
Brendo said:
Seems it will be released in feb...I'll be getting one then
and its quite cheap! AU$839. htc touch cruise will be $1159!
Looks like it is QVGA (320x240)
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I have said I won't buy any other Atom, just look at the popularity of AtomExec and its supports that we are getting.
You sure want to go there again?
MWG stated, that the new devices are from Arima and Gigabyte and they don't longer have a partnership with Quanta and Asustek.
jychan28 said:
You sure want to go there again?
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had an 02 Atom for 20 months now and very happy with except the IR cover fell out... kept 02 ROM updates and has been stable with very little resets (could go many months with one). As with anything that becomes popular (aka iPod) there are going to be issues. Believe they really need to get their service game in order and hopefully MWg is more than a name change and fix that ... but they are coming out with some good looking/spec devices... Zinc II, Orbit II (HTC Touch Cruise) Atom V etc... because of my experience would consider but understand others may not .... we can only base on our own experience and mine is yes would go there again
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had an 02 Atom for 20 months now and very happy with except the IR cover fell out... kept 02 ROM updates and has been stable with very little resets (could go many months with one). As with anything that becomes popular (aka iPod) there are going to be issues. Believe they really need to get their service game in order and hopefully MWg is more than a name change and fix that ... but they are coming out with some good looking/spec devices... Zinc II, Orbit II (HTC Touch Cruise) Atom V etc... because of my experience would consider but understand others may not .... we can only base on our own experience and mine is yes would go there again
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Not going to argue with you. One of my friend is very happy running with his Windows 2000 and couldn't get him moved to XP even with a gun pointing at his head. Different strokes for different folks. But, being a Computer Junkie, I can guess what majority of the people like or dislike in gadgets and very seldom err.
AtomExec is very sexy, I paid HKD5,900 for it so you can estimate the time frame. Mind you that I already had an Dopod 818, an Treo650 and an O2 xda (818pro). The logic of wanting an AtomExec is like wanting a hole in my head. Tat tells you I am an early adapter and don't mind to pay for something I like. Its screen is smaller and darker screen than I would like. But the built quality and size is perfect for my taste. I also bought a custom high capacity battery and a nice leather case for it. However, AtomExec freezes quite bit, not fast enough even with 520Mhz because I have to hang another language platform in it to use in China. The company hardly put out any updates. If they had responded to any question, the answer was usually "No' or "We have not planned for it." or similar. I am fairly sure non-geek phone users will go for iPhone. Geeks will go for HTC's more advance phones. Of course there will be some left for Atom's family.
My Kaiser has 3 meg pixel camera which can take a picture of a business card and put the name, phone numbers .... , company name into the contact book directly. When I am lost, I turn on its GPS and walk 10 Meters and I know whether I am on the right track. I have the entire China map in it. It supports 8G microSD card and I put hours of MP3 in it. Its bluetooth support stereo.
Scrolling command dial, many hardware buttons, screen is bright, response is quick, good size storage memory. Qualcom 400Mhz CPU has dual-core, an ARM9 and ARM6 built-in. Plus, important for some folks, ton's of fans keep making it to have better and better features or looks.
Yes, there is something I don't like about it. It does not have an infrared port. Integrated mini plug does not allow charging and listening music at the same time while sitting at a desk (need to get a 3rd party adapter RMB25) and I don't need the sliding keyboard.
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There are only two guys, wonderful people in AtomExec circle who dedicated their time putting out two near-final WM6 ROM's but all other HTC phones have more ROM's than you want to count.
Again, if Atom V has the Kaiser hardware, I won't mind go for it immediately. But with its middle of the road hardware and past customers supporting records, unless its price are low enough, I would wait...
It is just my 2 cents, I respect your feeling toward your Atom!
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Not going to argue with you.
it is just my 2 cents, I respect your feeling toward your Atom!
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For a confessed tecno person a liitle bit upset you are trading in old currency and such a low denomination like your opinon should be worth at least a 1930's penny's value also like new technology...
if the atom v comes in at $835 (as have seen) it is cheap with the specs as i paid $1200 AUD for the original atom ... but will upgrade after seeing the short list of Atom V, the zinc II & touch cruise but from there who knows... might be happy like your mate in 5 years saying .. nah, why upgrade it does all i want it to do ... then you can roll your eyes at our buying for needs mentality and say get with the program ...
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Not going to argue with you. One of my friend is very happy running with his Windows 2000 and couldn't get him moved to XP even with a gun pointing at his head. Different strokes for different folks. But, being a Computer Junkie, I can guess what majority of the people like or dislike in gadgets and very seldom err.
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palah, everyone has his own opinion, but most of what jychan28 said is right. I am an O2 Atom user since Atom. However, O2 has a lousy after sales service. I am stuck up with Atom Exec at the moment (cause I spent my last cent on it ) and now waiting for good times to change this to an HTC device most probably Tytn-II or Touch Cruise and good riddance from O2.
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palah, everyone has his own opinion,
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Agree 100%... like yours my williness to buy again was based on own experience so after two good (not perfect) 02 products so will consider another... if i had your experience would more than likely feel similar... but also be aware HTC, 02, MWg, Nokia etc etc all produce dogs every now and then...
although the aotmV so beautiful ,i do not change the exec until it die~hehe
I would say yes, it is a downgrade in terms of speed and rom size on the Atrom V, but what about the hi-price paid for HTC devices. Also you can always expand it using sd cards, and personally i never like choking up the internal memory.
There are reviews on the Atom V already. And a video review on the 3D/Video performance.
If you ask me after watching the video, I'd rather trust the Atom V over the Touch Cruise.
Video Comparo Intel Xscale Vs Qualcomm
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1T4UY-8kG_w&feature=related
Reviews
http://www.tatsdiy.com/atomv/
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?cid=18&id=2497
http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/handhelds/0,3...2514760p,00.htm
battery still a prob?
would it be safe to assume that the battery life/performance has not improve, compared to its predecessors?
atom V can not use video call.. only 1 camera
I am here from the future to announce the Anti-Anti-AP ROM. It supports features not even imagined yet by HTC engineers, will destroy the Anti-AP ROM (even the german edition) and restore AP4 to its rightful place in the Universe as the ROM that changed the world.
Let me put it this way, if AP4 is not released, the world becomes a very dark and different place within 10 years. It all starts with the launch of a spy satellite running Windows Mobile and the Anti-AP ROM. A bug in a hacked up vueflo causes the thing to veer off course, utlimately resulting in a giant asteroid heading right for HTC headquarters in Taiwan... I'll spare you the details, suffice to say the Anti-AP rom will spell the end of our freedom, living in the shadows, hunted for sport by cyborgs designed by rogue scientists using the iPhone SDK 9.0. Ever try too outrun something with neutron lasers, nuclear hoverjets and Google Maps? You won't get far.
Immediately all must install:
Commander Olipro Athena Hard SPL variant 9 brainwave unlock thought pattern mechanism (alpha release)
PK AP ver 1.E+47 ROM
which includes support for:
Bluetooth 8.1
Playstation 9
VueFlo Quantum Edition
Slide2Unlock .99 (some things never change)
It can even run a ripped DVD of 'Big Mamas House' at close to an acceptable frame rate using CorePlayer 12 by BetaGeezer on the Imageon holochip (with acceleration turned off of course)
I leave you with this thumb drive based on the USB9 specification. Do it before it's too late...
lol. u guys come up with the best stuff. this is probably the best community i have been a part of. after giving the rom some testing with the bt while in work today i believe it is stable in 19202. this is very good news for everyone. i will need to send this rom to nikhil and ltxda to make sure. overall the rom seems to be even better than the 19181 build. i need to get the new build to everyone asap. the rom should be not too far off....
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lol. u guys come up with the best stuff. this is probably the best community i have been a part of. after giving the rom some testing with the bt while in work today i believe it is stable in 19202. this is very good news for everyone. i will need to send this rom to nikhil and ltxda to make sure. overall the rom seems to be even better than the 19181 build. i need to get the new build to everyone asap. the rom should be not too far off....
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I'm using my Ameo for work, so when its out it will get a good test from me. our PDA's get used a lot! will report back on performance.
responderman said:
I'm using my Ameo for work, so when its out it will get a good test from me. our PDA's get used a lot! will report back on performance.
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Is that your real job or your job in your shed?
eagle 1 said:
Is that your real job or your job in your shed?
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shed. me though im sitting in front of a laptop btw. something interesting i find is everytime i go to the polaris and come bac to the athena i love it even more. nothing beats the athena.
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shed. me though im sitting in front of a laptop btw. something interesting i find is everytime i go to the polaris and come bac to the athena i love it even more. nothing beats the athena.
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Believe me, EXCALIBUR (T-Mobile DASH, HTC S620) with the new Kavana's WM 6.1 ROM, opera MINI 4, External BT GPS and few tweaks is a STRONG competitor
I know, it seems foolish, but full kb, one hand use, landscape screen with the new sliding panel media interface... small. It is a young, sexy, lady compared with a famous porn actress: hard to chose every evening....
I choose BOTH !!!!!
Pawel062 said:
i need to get the new build to everyone asap.
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Okay, my Email Address is ...
eagle 1 said:
Is that your real job or your job in your shed?
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Can you explain this question, please?
sergiopi said:
Believe me, EXCALIBUR (T-Mobile DASH, HTC S620) with the new Kavana's WM 6.1 ROM, opera MINI 4, External BT GPS and few tweaks is a STRONG competitor
I know, it seems foolish, but full kb, one hand use, landscape screen with the new sliding panel media interface... small. It is a young, sexy, lady compared with a famous porn actress: hard to chose every evening....
I choose BOTH !!!!!
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lol. tell u the truth though. i like the new version of the excalibur but everytime i touch a non touch screen phone.... my fingers goes for the screen anyway. its too weard. i might stray soon from htc and get the LG Vu from AT&T because of the mediaflo tv service coming soon. thats unless i get word of a htc phone that does the tv service too
no worries. i'll probably find the service overrated, will have the phone, and return it the next day if i do keep it then it'll be just for the tv service and will use athena and polaris for rest. i do highly doubt i'll keep it though. im too used to htc phones
I have and love a Kaiser. Right now I have a Dutty Rom on it and love it as I commute, on a train, about 3 hours a day.
Anyway, I made a bet (6 pack of beer) that I can use an Athena for a week instead of the Kaiser. [We have one that sits unused in our office]. I have the Black Rom on it and wasn't overly excited when I made the change.
What should I install to ease my life and win my bet?
Use TCMP for videos, the Athena has a nice big screen. Both the NetFront pre release and Opera leaked alphas are good for browsing the internet. I would recommend using RealVGA if you would like to really utilize the large screen, 96 DPI is awesome. Compared to the Kaiser the Athena has a bigger screen, more storage and at least on paper a faster processor. I personally use a software keyboard and ditch the magnetic one to reduce to size of the Athena.
does the RealVGA thing work on the kaiser also?
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does the RealVGA thing work on the kaiser also?
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No, Kaiser isn't a VGA device and if it were, the 400MHz Qualcom would struggle. It would probably be dog slow.
what a stupid bet
Well ok, I no longer have an Athena and I got rid of my TyTn 2 after a week so perhaps it's not my place to comment..
BUT WHAT THE HELL KIND OF BET IS THIS????
Fine, the Athena is a bit big, but what the hell is your problem with applications? IT'S THE SAME OPERATING SYSTEM so it shouldn't be much of a hardship unless you're an absolute doink.
Perhaps a better challenge might have been to live with a Motorola StarTAC for a week....or even a Nokia 6210.
Tsk.
leoni1980 said:
Well ok, I no longer have an Athena and I got rid of my TyTn 2 after a week so perhaps it's not my place to comment..
BUT WHAT THE HELL KIND OF BET IS THIS????
Fine, the Athena is a bit big, but what the hell is your problem with applications? IT'S THE SAME OPERATING SYSTEM so it shouldn't be much of a hardship unless you're an absolute doink.
Perhaps a better challenge might have been to live with a Motorola StarTAC for a week....or even a Nokia 6210.
Tsk.
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I was thinking the same thing as you, but in less words. Anyway Leoni when are you going to come back on the "wm" side of the world, i'm sure you miss the touch screen. Symbian...tsktsk! lol
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I was thinking the same thing as you, but in less words. Anyway Leoni when are you going to come back on the "wm" side of the world, i'm sure you miss the touch screen. Symbian...tsktsk! lol
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Hmmmm not so sure. Maligned as it might be I can't help but love the old N95 classic. I've got an 8gb card for it and it's the most satisfying phone I've ever used....still. it even has embedded flash support and an accelerometer so the screen rotates automatically when i turn the phone.
Unfortunately there's nothing in the Windows Mobile world to touch it yet - I'm very much a multimedia guy and there's nothing comes close to the carl zeiss optics of the N95, the 30fps video, the flash support, the hardware acceleration, the huge array of multimedia applications and (finally) proper GPS support with Garmin XT or Route66.
The nearest phone to the N95 in the windows mobile world is probably the TyTn 2 and i'll never go back to that again:it's an inferior toy in comparison.
I'd wager a bet you can't list five things i'd do on a Kaser that I can't do on an N95 (aside from the obvious outlook calender issue which is not an issue for someone like me who doesn't use outlook)
one day i'll be back though no doubt.
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. . . I made a bet (6 pack of beer) that I can use an Athena for a week instead of the Kaiser . . .I have the Black Rom on it and wasn't overly excited . . . What should I install to ease my life and win my bet?
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leoni1980 maybe you could be more specific. What do you do with your Kaiser and why do you like it? Why weren't you happy with the black rom on the Athena? Why is there an expectation of hardship/w Athena?
You said that there was a train commute. So . . .your thinking entertainment? To "ease your life,"; since we know nothing about you or your life that's a hard one. Don't you think?
In general: Windows mobile devices are all-in-one mobile devices that do alot of things ok/good. In my opinion, they rarely do anything specificly the best. Read e-books--likely the kindle does it better. Listen to music--buy an ipod. Surf the net--desktop or laptops are more powerful. And so on.
So you need to figure what it is you like to do. Then evaluate whether windows mobile fits your needs. Then tweak the Athena in that direction with hardware and/or software.
Seems alot of work for one week.
If I had a three hour commute, I'd surf the one-day deal sites, & winmobile/news sites. I'd read e-books, listen to music and do writing. Maybe listen to sleepy music/set my alarm and take a nap. I don't even use the phone side, rarely watch movies,have no use for a pim.
Another guy would want to chat on the phone, and watch tv. Still another guy would want to sms, play games . . .
Keep track of your time, finances, diet, movie collection, appointments . . . Facebook, chatrooms, twitter, look at porn, read the Bible . . .
I mean . . . you can do all kinds of things.
UPDATE:
I was convinced that my new Touch Pro felt slower and laggier than my good'ol Kaiser, so I decided to test them toe-to-toe.
The Kaiser is running HyperDragon's OPAL ROM and the Touch Pro is running ROMeOS 1.22.
I somehow can't believe that the TP Is so much slower than the Kaiser, or is there a logical explanation that I have not heard about yet? - Is my new device defective?
HELP!
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Hi,
I just traded my good ol' Kaiser for a (German T-mobile) Raphael.
After spending a week getting tired of the white t-mobile branded software I decided to flash a custom rom.
After Trying DCS's v15 and later ROMeOS v1.13, I can't say I was happy with either of the performances of any of them.
Please, I understand the hard work Chefs put into their ROM's and I do not mean to bash on their work. This thread is mainly to figure out what I'm doing wrong, or maybe even if I have a defective device.
After trying out the DCS ROM, performance was pretty damn good... Though my phone kept tossing me errors (Mainly shell32.dll and other .dll and .exe errors). Along with random freezes and reboots.
The ROMeOS seems to be more stable, but it's missing alot of little things I liked about the DCS ROM.
But overall, the snappy speed of the original T-Mobile ROM is gone.
Scrolling the Menu Icons at the bottom was blazing fast, opening files, programs, folders, etc worked just as intended. Though the biggest loss in performance is clearly noticeable by using the album and doing the "circle" gesture to zoom in a picture. With both the DCS and the ROMeOS ROM's the zoom "Stutters in" instead of gently zooming into the picture (Hell, even my old Kaiser is WAY faster and smoother in comparison).
So... is this normal? - am I missing any important upgrades or cabs? Any tips or hints to speed it up a notch?
Thanks!
Weird indeed,i tryed dcs and rome Os,they are both stunning/amazing faster then the original one.
I always do a hard reset before and after flashing a new rom,maybey that will work?
I am coming to the TP from a US T-Mobile Wing. With me upgrading from 64Mb of RAM, this thing is smoking fast. I haven't had the luxury to enjoy some of the amazing devices available in the European/Asain markets, but compared to every US WM device, this thing is a hell of an upgrade.
I can't sympathize at all, simply due to where I've been with previous devices.
Good luck
I've had pretty much every HTC device that has came out since the Wizard, and I've always noticed a big increase in performance after flashing pretty much any custom ROM.
Not so on the Touch PRO.
Even my Kaiser is able to play fullscreen stutter-free video, and I can zoom in and out of pictures without 'lagging into a zoom'. So I'm wondering if my TP is defective.
@Tinuz, yes, I've tried hard-resets (lots of them, before and after flashing a new rom) with the same results.
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TF2D vs TF3d?
How can you compare phones using different programs.... that would be like benchmarking 2 PCs using different benchmarking programs and then trying to compare the results... youre comparing 2d vs 3d.... put TF3D on your Kaiser and then compare them, you might think differently.
yeah exactly, your running tf2d on kaiser and tf3d on diamond, put 2d in diamond and it will go like a rocket!
Plus no addons? why s2u2?
I think the difference is the VGA resolution. AFAIK the high resolution display and the much higher amount of pixels compared to TyTN2 requires a lot more CPU power. So I wouldn't doubt that TyTN2 could be faster than TP. But I imagine living without the VGA resolution anymore.
Yes, I agree with the 2D/3D thing. And again, I'm not trying to say "This is better, or this is faster" I am merely trying to figure out WHY.
Yes, I also believe the VGA resolution requires some more processing power...
But then again... zooming on a JPG picture?
It's not just the 2D/3D manila, it's the overall performance of the device that has me worried, playing videos, opening programs, running programs, etc. The Kaiser seems to beat the Raphael in pretty much everything.
If the main reason is the 3D manila... how come nobody has came up with the idea of making a 2D manila ROM for the TP? The visible differences are minimal and the performance increase is ... well ... a lot. =)
Thanks for your feedback!
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how come nobody has came up with the idea of making a 2D manila ROM for the TP? The visible differences are minimal and the performance increase is ... well ... a lot. =)
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I've been wondering this for some time. I think it might have to do with the whole VGA/QVGA stuff.
tf3d hasn't been completely ironed out yet...so putting it on kaiser still wouldn't represent true performance.
I have an ELFin and am in the process of getting a Raph, and I can tell you guys now that my ELFin with Onyx Ultimate 3.2.1 ROM is lightning fast in most respects, oh and WITH Manila 2D. Let's not forget that ELFin has a 200Mhz processor and no 3D or 2D acceleration. You guys taht are worried should de-activate M3D for a minute and watch your phone come to life. Oh and M2D seems to have been ported to VGA so you guys should give it a shot. Let's wait for a ROM as well though.
Though I do wish M2D had a tad bit more anim. Just adds to visual appeal...
I'm totally happy with my TP speed, maybe probably because Ive never seen a tytn2
Im just unhappy about GPS and signal str
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I was convinced that my new Touch Pro felt slower and laggier than my good'ol Kaiser, so I decided to test them toe-to-toe.
The Kaiser is running HyperDragon's OPAL ROM and the Touch Pro is running ROMeOS 1.22.
I somehow can't believe that the TP Is so much slower than the Kaiser, or is there a logical explanation that I have not heard about yet? - Is my new device defective?
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It looks to me like you're comparing a Touch Pro's TF3D interface speed against a Kaisers M2D interface speed. Of course, there's a huge difference. Install M2D on your Touch Pro and disable your TF3D and you will see how it flies.