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Herewith an email I have just received from the HTC Europe.
"Hello
HTC Europe are releasing a ROM update for the HTC TyTN (expected release date end of January 2007).
The ROM will be posted in the support section of the HTC Europe website.
This ROM update resolves all known issues with the HTC TyTN."
Yours sincerely
Dan Mackie
[email protected]
http://www.htc.com
Man this is good news and we will at last know in which direction HTC is moving. Just patching problems with the existing software or patches and real development. It's the moment of truth!
Roll on end January.
I believe that the upgrade will be AKU 3.? and that "WM5 second edition" will form the nucleus of this upgrade.
It looks like Microsoft is comming to the party!
Cant wait for end-Jan now ...
This ROM update resolves all known issues with the HTC TyTN."
>"This ROM update resolves all known issues with the HTC TyTN."
thats fantastic news!
Awesome news! looking forward to it...... fix voicemail dismiss issue? please??
is this aku 3.0?? or just another aku 2.3??
edit: after test it is the same thant the latest rom htc, sorry
Sounds good, really looking forward ta having many of the bugs fixed on my Tytn.
does HTC Europe mean HTC the corporation is going to release the updates to all carriers or just European carriers?
Have to wait and see. I'm sceptical about HTC these days. My tytn doesn't work like it should be and like i want it.
Did send two mails to HTC and received one back. One mail was redirected to my local distributor and was also waiting and disappointed about HTC for ROM updates.
My other mail was send directly to HTC and nada responce. shame on you HTC.
Have my device for more then five months and now they are releasing out of the blue a ROM update, gonna be a update of disappointment. It doesn't gonna fix that much. ( !!! bluetooth > carkits!! and speed !!!).
Let's hope.
Dear [email protected] , you're fired!
In a company "promishing" is "fried air selling" as we say in Italy.
You will buy "fried air"? Yes, when it will be available, practically NEVER
In the management schools they suggest, when you want to talk about future, to say a deadline of your statement. If you want to make marketing campaign use "rumors", on-line "stolen" (not really) ROM test.
This is IMO another example of joung (and confused) company growing up too fast for his management.
So I suggest to believe to this "end of the month fix", with ALL KNOWN ISSUES FIXED when we will see it flashed in our phones; if you search in this forum we are full of "next month" upgrade.
Latins... are always valuable "spes, ultima Dea..." means "Hope is the last God remaining at our side". So the lesson learned from this HTC customer care could be... the TyTans are defeated but Spes (Hope) is still with us. Hey HTC, do you know that Hermes is the God of the robbers?
:Mode Happy new year ON:
Also Hermes tortured TyTan (owners?); Zeus (HTC) sends Hermes to confront the enchained Titan (Our phone)Prometheus about a prophecy of the Titan's (owners) that Zeus (HTC) would be overthrown (From Nokia? From Motorola?). Hermes scolds Prometheus for being unreasonable and willing to endure torture, but Prometheus refuses to give him details about the prophecy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermes )
I've understood at least wy they called HERMES the TyTn, it was a prophecy, we will be tortured!
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As I was in contact with them about issues on my TyTn, I believe this will be an update from HTC for their TyTn branded phone. I guess the other operators will follow with their own ROM updates, based on this one. ?????
We will have to wait and see what AKU version will be used but I predict it will be 2.6 - but hey maybe we get lucky! I doubt if the ROM will be much different to the one released in the RSA. Bootloader 1.9!
I still think their service is poor as HTC has taken more than 6 months to notify us of an update, knowing that their phone was buggy.
On service alone they should not have had the TyTN named "Phone of the year - 2006" ( Check htc.com website)
I think you're shooting too low with your AKU prediction. I'm going on record as predicting it'll be at least AKU 3.2... My rational is that to "fix all bugs" will require a massive BT stack improvement. M$ didnt' release these improvements until AKU 3.0
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As I was in contact with them about issues on my TyTn, I believe this will be an update from HTC for their TyTn branded phone. I guess the other operators will follow with their own ROM updates, based on this one. ?????
We will have to wait and see what AKU version will be used but I predict it will be 2.6 - but hey maybe we get lucky! I doubt if the ROM will be much different to the one released in the RSA. Bootloader 1.9!
I still think their service is poor as HTC has taken more than 6 months to notify us of an update, knowing that their phone was buggy.
On service alone they should not have had the TyTN named "Phone of the year - 2006" ( Check htc.com website)
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I think they could made a bigger effort than a 2.6 AKU, and may be they will, having a look to the only frightening number for a CEO: revenue trends!
Look here: http://www.htc.com/investor_service/04-investor-1.htm
They have this year many different devices compared with 2005, they have a new strategy (HTC directly involved instead of I-Mate, QTEK) and november revenues, compared to last year revenues....
I hope today is happening what I was hoping: they will listen the stakeholders (we) only when the shareholders (they have Nokia phones ) will notice some warning from analysts.
At that time we will have our 3.2 AKU for TyTn, or may be we will have even Crossbow (not as a gift I'm afraid)
When was the last time anyone ever "fixed all bugs"? And whenever they do fix the bugs, when have they not create newer ones?
Don't you guys know the difference between "all" and "all known"? For instance, when I mailed them with hang after wake up issue, they answered, they are not aware of this problem, that all works good in their tests (="we still don't know about this problem")!
bogus or not
it's a hell of a news..after 6 months...
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Don't you guys know the difference between "all" and "all known"? For instance, when I mailed them with hang after wake up issue, they answered, they are not aware of this problem, that all works good in their tests (="we still don't know about this problem")!
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Sure I know the difference. But since when do software developers exaggerate their deliverables? If they say all, they mean all. LOL
I don't know what you're talking about perlmane, my software doesn't have bugs. It exhibits "undocumented features"
Think of them as little suprise gifts that push you over the edge one day causing you to upgrade!
Hey, may be we are the poor cousins having the hermes (no caps lock on h). In this forum there are guys having some other Hermes (with caps lock). I believe it should be another model, because they wrote messages informing us that they HAVEN'T any hangup or sofware "undocumented features"
I called the the Hermes customer service but there was an aswering machine
Here is the link... http://www.fugly.com/audio/504/1_Alzheimer_Answering_Machine.html
Hello all,
Spoke with a few people today from UTStarcom and Verizon and got quite a bit of information about this long awaited update. Figured I'd share with you.
Called UTStarcom and spoke with Orlando, an engineer with them. He forwarded an internal memo to me (I can't post it on here, don't bother asking). I can tell you what was in it though.
The update is complete and was received by Verizon mid June.
Rom version number is 3.36.605.0. I know a lot of you are going to say "but we already have 3.56 blah blah", but those are Sprint updates and just because the version number is different, doesn't mean it's not newer.
The update addresses the following (straight from the memo):
-Update to Windows Mobile 6.1
-Update to EVDO Rev. A
-Update location based services (GPS)
-Update bluetooth profiles
Update is complete on their end, waiting on Verizon to give the go ahead. He said he would speak to his superiors and find more info and for me to call back Thursday (he gave me his extension).
I called Verizon and spoke to Wes, a WDTS Tier 3 Tech.
He confirmed what Orlando told me. The completed update was received by Verizon and has been in final testing. The last update he had was July 3, been in testing for a while with no problems. Projected release set for end of the month/early August.
He also told me it's been so long due to the fact that they decided to add WM 6.1 (previously it was only expected to address EVDO Rev A / GPS)
Fugg yes!
Now, does this potentially include aGPS? Will we get the lock times of Sprint? Any other potential goodies that could be included? Lastly, what will DCD be looking to extract to improve in his ROMs?
Dude, you rule.
Can't wait...
Now I have to check the vzw or utstar sites every day!
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Can't wait...
Now I have to check the vzw or utstar sites every day!
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Where would you look on Utstarcom if it were there? I know it is not yet but I can't even find anything close except this and it is a dead link here.
Link please...
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Where would you look on Utstarcom if it were there? I know it is not yet but I can't even find anything close except this and it is a dead link here.
Link please...
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Perhaps... here???
http://handsets.utstar.com/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=XV6800
Idk though, they didn't update the sprint one yet
Excellent news GC - hopefully it might add some more functionality to the GPS, although with your fix, it seems to work really well now!
Thanks for the info!
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Perhaps... here???
http://handsets.utstar.com/view_phone_details.aspx?mcode=XV6800
Idk though, they didn't update the sprint one yet
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Thanks, this is great. I am sure GC or DCD will have this dissected well before it hits Slorizon's website (or the UTStarcom one you posted), but it is exciting none the less.
I'll be sure NOT to hold my breath waiting on their release
So...did you happen to ask him about what it would take for an "Accidental" leak of the beta? Because I am sure a few of us would drop some money into an unknown Paypal account if such a thing were to happon.
OK... so I'm not trying to be a bad news guy, but I pretty much got the exact same story from UTStarcom back in April, but the release date was May.
When I called in May they said it was release to VZW and was up to them to do something with it. I never was able to get anyone at VZW to admit they had the update (in fact some really bad Help guy yesterday told me that a) any updates would come from the mantufacturer and not VZW, and b) anything, and I mean ANY application you add to the PPC is bad for it and will cause it to slow down. (He was a real piece of work, and when I asked what about things like Microsoft's Live Search which was MADE by MS for this type of phone, he said ANYTHING would basically bog it down and if it stopped VZW would not replace it... schmuck).
Anyway... the UTSarcom site is a good one... but where might we search for Verizon updates???
I am surprised anyone told you anything except "let me check another system....no, I don't see anything here....you may want to keep checking the website if they ever have updates for the phone," schmucks for real. Speaking to higher tier techs is probably more realistic information as they will be seeing memos that other people will not.
Anyways, here is the XV6800 page on vzw:
http://support.vzw.com/phones/index.html?p=3411
OK... so I'm not trying to be a bad news guy, but I pretty much got the exact same story from UTStarcom back in April, but the release date was May.
When I called in May they said it was release to VZW and was up to them to do something with it. I never was able to get anyone at VZW to admit they had the update (in fact some really bad Help guy yesterday told me that a) any updates would come from the mantufacturer and not VZW, and b) anything, and I mean ANY application you add to the PPC is bad for it and will cause it to slow down. (He was a real piece of work, and when I asked what about things like Microsoft's Live Search which was MADE by MS for this type of phone, he said ANYTHING would basically bog it down and if it stopped VZW would not replace it... schmuck).
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If you read my post you'd see that I asked about what you're referring to. The "release date" for May was for EVDO Rev A & GPS. They decided to add WM 6.1 at the last minute, which prolonged it. The difference is, you never got anyone from Verizon to admit to it, while I have spoken to several people since May who all have confirmed it.
You guys have to trust that I know what I'm doing....this hasn't been my first time calling and I know what to ask. They pretty much know me by name now when I call lol. In fact, I don't hang up until I speak with someone who knows what they're talking about.
As far as the update itself goes, it will be on HTC's site when it's available, not UTStarcom's or Verizon's.
OK thanks... I had been to that page many times before, but didn't know that they might post anything like a ROM update there.
We'll see....
And yes, senior techs are probably better... just didn't have the time to wait yesterday.
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As far as the update itself goes, it will be on HTC's site when it's available, not UTStarcom's or Verizon's.
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Do you have a link for where you would look for this upgrade on HTC.com? I know you and DCD will be releasing ROMs before I find it but curiosity reigns supreme.
This is what I found but I don't think this is anything more than a marketing page:
http://tytnseries.htc.com/htctytn.html
http://www.htcamerica.net/support/support-product.html
It will be posted on this site under the appropriate phone. Since there have not been any updates for VZW you won't find the xv6800. Correct me if I am wrong GC.
Do you have a link for where you would look for this upgrade on HTC.com? I know you and DCD will be releasing ROMs before I find it but curiosity reigns supreme.
This is what I found but I don't think this is anything more than a marketing page:
http://tytnseries.htc.com/htctytn.html
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First, that link is for the TyTN, not the Titan. 2 Different phones. The TyTN is actually the HTC Hermes, as the TyTN II is the HTC Kaiser.
Second, when it's available you'll be able to find it here:
http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=82&act=faq&cat=268
except when it's released, there'll be an icon next to "Tips & Tricks" called "Software Download" similar to the Sprint Mogul page located here http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=75&act=faq&cat=268
gc14 said:
First, that link is for the TyTN, not the Titan. 2 Different phones. The TyTN is actually the HTC Hermes, as the TyTN II is the HTC Kaiser.
Second, when it's available you'll be able to find it here:
http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=82&act=faq&cat=268
except when it's released, there'll be an icon next to "Tips & Tricks" called "Software Download" similar to the Sprint Mogul page located here http://www.htc.com/us/FAQ_Detail.aspx?p_id=75&act=faq&cat=268
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Thanks, thats the link I was looking for. You are one resourceful dude GC.
Do you work in the phone industry?
Do you work in the phone industry?
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Nope. Computer Engineer specialized in Embedded Systems Design
Sweet
Maybe this seems a bit off subject, but why would a company with proprietary information share there potential release dates and internal memos with a guy that calls in a lot for tech support?
Hope that doesnt sound rude, its more me just being inquisitive. Essentially, how do you manage to be seen as someone worth sharing that information with?
Hi,
I was wondering if wifi calling is done with software or hardware? If it's done with software would there be a way or perhaps a rom that would enable wifi calling to work on the HTC HD2? I don't know much about the inner workings of things so don't bash me too bad, I looked into it and there wasn't many answers if it can be done or not and or if it's trying to be done now. I just didn't know so I was hoping one of you experts, or chefs, could tell me if it's possible or what the story is. when I had my blackberry it had wifi calling and it was great just for the main fact that I live at the bottom of a hill and I get awful reception nomatter what phone or carrier, but with wifi calling, WOW I really liked that but when I weighed my options I really wanted an HD2 rather than a blackberry, (I guess it's the geek in me). Well thanks for reading for those who read.
[email protected],
~kn0t~
its called skype/fring for winmo/android
oh ok,, thank you!!
souljaboy said:
its called skype/fring for winmo/android
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I think OP was looking more at a UMA feature than at Skype or Fring. Some Blackberries support calling over a wifi network - so the same T-Mobile number is used for inbound/outbound calls, even without a cell signal.
I don't think the HD2 supports UMA; but LetsTalk has it listed as a supported feature for the HD2. I'm looking into this myself to help with poor signal quality in the lower level of my home.
Yes I was and I just got confirmation the other day on Twitter from T-mobile USA that the new Mytouch 4G will have wifi calling and will be coming to other devices in the coming months. In app form I believe but still very cool. My mouth is really watering over this Mytouch 4G but I really can't afford it right now. Gosh I only had this HD2 about 6 or 7 months. I gotta wait until I'm AT-LEAST eligible for a one year handset upgrade, and if these android HD2 Roms Keep coming out working so nicely and perhaps I can use wifi calling on my HD2 I'll wait for my 2 year upgrade.. I'm sure by then They'll have a f**k ton of new good phones and the prices should drop on some of the others...
knotrkr said:
Hi,
I was wondering if wifi calling is done with software or hardware? If it's done with software would there be a way or perhaps a rom that would enable wifi calling to work on the HTC HD2? I don't know much about the inner workings of things so don't bash me too bad, I looked into it and there wasn't many answers if it can be done or not and or if it's trying to be done now. I just didn't know so I was hoping one of you experts, or chefs, could tell me if it's possible or what the story is. when I had my blackberry it had wifi calling and it was great just for the main fact that I live at the bottom of a hill and I get awful reception nomatter what phone or carrier, but with wifi calling, WOW I really liked that but when I weighed my options I really wanted an HD2 rather than a blackberry, (I guess it's the geek in me). Well thanks for reading for those who read.
[email protected],
~kn0t~
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It's officially out for G2 and I posted the update that made it possible here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=827855
Just have to see if any of the developers can make it work for HD2, at least on the android side.
Don't understand why this won't work
Ok I don't understand why this won't work on the HD2 windows mobile pro 6.5, HTC had it working on the shadow which runs WM 6.1, can someone please explain it to me? Is it just no one interested in developing it cause hardware wise if it can do it in android I am unclear why it can't do it in windows
technically hardware supports it but software side has not been implemented fully for HD2
A few sip efforts been made that implement with stock dialler & some more stand alone but think most have some issues when in use ...
One example being >
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=667000
I have been following the forum since I got this beast.
Personally I have had a very pleasant Windows Phone experience using Titan. However in last few days the negative feedback threads have increased in number. Presuming that number of end users is increasing, the amount of threads/feedback would have increased anyway. But then does it mean that majority of users are regretting buying this beast? - I am not.
However after looking at few threads, I've noticed that majority of issues with Titan are to those owners who are on AT&T. Could it be carrier modifications in the USA? Is Titan available on any other network in the US? Anyone have feedback?
Most Europe based users have not give much input in those problem threads, so am assuming it's just AT&T handsets that go weird.
But it will help if we guessed a rough number of Titans and their providers/sellers.
Not sure what a poll of owners will show you without correlating it to how happy they are. I am on AT&T and am quite happy - other than WIFI being a little over sensative. If I did not turn off the sound enhancements, I think I would be very unhappy.
I am on at&t with the titan and have no issue with it. Its been an amazing phone, best i have ever had.
AT&T here, other than my disappointment at "4G", everything is fine. Most notably, I don't have any signal issues while holding the phone, I ran several tests with the app Bandwidth
Astute observation. As another poster said on another thread, we drooled over the Titan so much that there had to be a little bit of let down.
I tried to balance my likes and dislikes in another thread, but my bottom line is that the good still outweighs the bad, and much of the bad is software, not hardware, so might be fixed in the future.
I would agree that, yes, the Titan is the best phone I've ever owned, period.
All that said, I just picked up my wife's Focus not ten minutes ago, and I really miss its form factor, weight and saturation.
Thanks for voting guys!
The only reason I din't correlate it to happy or not happy was because it will be too relative an idea of happiness. e.g. I might be happy even with those wifi issues, purely because I am with a network provider that gives me unlimited internet and never use wifi!
However, it is definitely a good idea to have a poll correlating experiences with geographical purchases.
By the looks of just initial 9 votes it looks like either way the views are from AT&T users majorly - happy or unhappy ones. I am just a little inclined to believe AT&T modifications could be at the root of all these(?)
Can someone let us know if on WP AT&T puts it's own bloatware like on Android? Or is bloatware additions just restricted to manufacturers and not network providers?
I know here in the UK Orange is nasty and very notorious in terms of modifying any OS to an extent by their useless bloatware. But am not very sure about AT&T, however would be good to add to my knowledge
drupad2drupad said:
Thanks for voting guys!
The only reason I din't correlate it to happy or not happy was because it will be too relative an idea of happiness. e.g. I might be happy even with those wifi issues, purely because I am with a network provider that gives me unlimited internet and never use wifi!
However, it is definitely a good idea to have a poll correlating experiences with geographical purchases.
By the looks of just initial 9 votes it looks like either way the views are from AT&T users majorly - happy or unhappy ones. I am just a little inclined to believe AT&T modifications could be at the root of all these(?)
Can someone let us know if on WP AT&T puts it's own bloatware like on Android? Or is bloatware additions just restricted to manufacturers and not network providers?
I know here in the UK Orange is nasty and very notorious in terms of modifying any OS to an extent by their useless bloatware. But am not very sure about AT&T, however would be good to add to my knowledge
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They install a couple AT&T specific apps, but you can uninstall them. Other than that, it is as stock of a rom as you can get. No bloatware.
I had all the att stuff off ,except for the Myatt app, within an hour of getting and activating my Titan. Love it, only hiccups so far are getting my old word,excel docs off my old Fuze- not all of them are docx format. Hope the next update includes the ability to mms with gif and audio files. I have fun just turning it on and flipping screens smooth and bright.
Edit to the office docs: had to reset the office hub on the phone, no problems now reading earlier versions of office and can edit newer versions.
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I had all the att stuff off ,except for the Myatt app, within an hour of getting and activating my Titan. Love it, only hiccups so far are getting my old word,excel docs off my old Fuze- not all of them are docx format. Hope the next update includes the ability to mms with gif and audio files. I have fun just turning it on and flipping screens smooth and bright.
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Haha exactly my feeling! turning on and flipping screens gives me so much of satisfaction!
Now that we know ATT bloatware is nearly zero, I am struggling to figure out how come so many ATT users have dodgy titans that need to be replaced within one week. Again not 'so many' probably 5-6 that might be reported out here in the forum.
My Titan after 7740 update has worked so much flawlessly and everyday I keep discovering new apps that never imagined to exist on my old Android phone! This WP Titan is a treat to my eyes!
Thank you for your replies, they have defiantly given me something to think about.
I think your correct, a Android to Titan? thread might be useful, especially with these great answers. Will sort it now.
Thanks again for your responses.
Edit, its sorted. Thread created titled Android to Titan? I have moved the responses there. Hope its useful
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Thank you for your replies, they have defiantly given me something to think about.
I think your correct, a Android to Titan? thread might be useful, especially with these great answers. Will sort it now.
Thanks again for your responses.
Edit, its sorted. Thread created titled Android to Titan? I have moved the responses there. Hope its useful
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That was quick! Thanks
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That was quick! Thanks
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Only a BUMP!
my 2 cents worth,unbranded sim free europe with zero issues from day one. love this phone
stevov said:
my 2 cents worth,unbranded sim free europe with zero issues from day one. love this phone
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me too,the phone is just great.No problem so far.
Well for one thing us AT&T users are running older software on our Titans than the rest of the world because AT&T sucks.
Unbranded Titan UK, No issues, Perfectly happy and hope it stays that way.
UK
Unbranded UK on orange no problems so far, battery lasting much better than i hoped slight issues with the radio and wifi , not had any screen lack of response as metioned in other forums, last phone was HD2 running 'everything'.
This phone is the only upgrade i could go for after the HD2. Sadly just lurking in hope of the 'custom ROM' i know the geniuses here will eventualy produce
After putting WP7 on my HD2 I decided to get myself a Titan until something better comes along here is Australia.
So I got myself a AT&T branded unit off ebay, SIM unlocked it using htcimeiunlock.com (which took all of a couple of minutes) after AT&T customer serice told me I couldn't unluock it and I'm now a happy camper on the Telstra NextG network here in Oz wiht my Titan.
I am seeing 3G/WiFi issues like others but other than that the unit is going well.
Oh I also got the Mugen Power 1950mAh battery, which I can run my Titan for almost 2 days, with bluetooth and often WiFi on as well.
Now if only we can get a custom unlocked ROM the world would be perfect
Hello to all! :fingers-crossed:
As you know, HTC has decided not to pursue certain MAJ who were scheduled yet on our beloved models. I invite you to sign the petition on line for validate your displeasure by HTC company policy to its customers. Click "sign" [/ b]...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/petitions-recovery-update-htc-flyer/
Here is another link to a petition for SHD posted...
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/give-us-ics/
Here is the text of the petition posted for the flyer:
Distinguished leaders marketing HTC,
We call out to date show you our dissatisfaction your decision not to propose to the SHIFT ICS (where possibly another) Obviously your ad had the effect of a Treason in the world to the owners of Tablet Flyer famous who have seen this act deliberate killing programmed from HTC.
Indeed, the Flyer is your only so far shelf and it will not be entitled to benefit from last improvements in google.
We do not understand your approach knowing that this product has one year old! From a customer relations standpoint, it is totally outrageous.
There may be a technical problem because the Developers are most certainly the height to solve some technical problems. If it turns out that this is a business decision, we think this is a huge mistake and that it wrong in the sense of logic, why private that a better enchant owners.
Other products have also seen a change radical from you.
We ask you to please rethink your decision on the judgment of the SHIFT shelf Flyer because it is your duty as provider mobile phone to offer the best services and follow-up to these clients to be missed manner most who follow you from the beginning.
The angry customers! ...
thank @+ Kacaouet
People...HTC is not obligated to provide us anything besides basic hardware/software support. They are not required to give us a upgrade, heck they aren't even required to give us bugfixes. When you buy a tablet or phone you are buying it with the current software load, meaning you need to make sure you are happy with what it runs and how it runs. Can we PLEASE stop beating this horse?
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People...HTC is not obligated to provide us anything besides basic hardware/software support. They are not required to give us a upgrade, heck they aren't even required to give us bugfixes. When you buy a tablet or phone you are buying it with the current software load, meaning you need to make sure you are happy with what it runs and how it runs. Can we PLEASE stop beating this horse?
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Hello,
It's your perspective and you've made, it is!
This is not the generality of people who think that, already after just seven months of existence, it simply removes purtement and the evolution of the tablet, this is not normal.
They are not obliged to provide it to us for free, okay, at least that we are proposing an alternative to évolution.
Knowing that the products were sold frozen and for the typical person, not necessarily easy to change OS as two shirts!
If you can afford to buy every two weeks, good for you and too bad for us ...
CDLT
@ + Kacaouet...
@thewadegeek:
As far as I recall, there is some kind of agreement between Google and the main manufacturers to give proper support/updates for products for at least 18 months after its initial release.
Now, as the HTC Flyer has been released < the mentioned 18 months I expect HTC to honor that agreement.
And please do not forget that the HC update was rubish and should not be called an update but a downgrade (as some features do not work (as well) as they did before).
If you would own a car, and for some reason they upgraded some kind of software @ the garage which resulted in non functioning blinkers/signal lights and you had to put your hand out of the the window everytime you are about to switch lanes or make a turn in order to warn the other drivers about your actions, would you accept that? I WANT MY HARDWARE BUTTONS BACK!!!
Everyone is free to make his voice heard and if you don't like topics like this one, than please .. by all means .. stay out.
Yucko said:
@thewadegeek:
As far as I recall, there is some kind of agreement between Google and the main manufacturers to give proper support/updates for products for at least 18 months after its initial release.
Now, as the HTC Flyer has been released < the mentioned 18 months I expect HTC to honor that agreement.
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It's SUPPORT not upgrade, and in no way does SUPPORT entail a UPGRADE.
And please do not forget that the HC update was rubish and should not be called an update but a downgrade (as some features do not work (as well) as they did before).
If you would own a car, and for some reason they upgraded some kind of software @ the garage which resulted in non functioning blinkers/signal lights and you had to put your hand out of the the window everytime you are about to switch lanes or make a turn in order to warn the other drivers about your actions, would you accept that? I WANT MY HARDWARE BUTTONS BACK!!!
Everyone is free to make his voice heard and if you don't like topics like this one, than please .. by all means .. stay out.
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First off I LIKED the upgrade, so you can't make a blanket statement calling it rubbish. The pen support with Honeycomb is pretty slick and I enjoy it. Second that's not a valid comparison, in that case they removed REQUIRED functionality, in this case they just replaced it with something else. And if you want your hardware buttons back then downgrade, or install Lee's Honeycomb. Viola. Your last statement is TOTALLY contradictory friend, first you says we can all make our voice heard, and then you tell me to stay out. Also the purpose of a forum is for discussion, you all seem to just want people to agree with you. I'm just getting tired with everyone starting a new petition or "HTC sucks" thread. If you feel betrayed then deal with it, HTC has done nothing legally wrong so everyone is stuck.
What are we talking about? What in the world is a SHIFT Flyer Ics? Is this a petition to ship Flyers with Need for Speed SHIFT on them? I'm confused
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Cor-master said:
What are we talking about? What in the world is a SHIFT Flyer Ics? Is this a petition to ship Flyers with Need for Speed SHIFT on them? I'm confused
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Lol. ( its just Google translate)
To all:
Something is not happening right. We are arguing on wrong issues. Some points I noticed and I would like to emphasise upon are:
1. Yeah they gave us honeycomb. But its not perfect. Chiefly the internet browsing experience. Internet is the soul of computers, tablets, smart phones, ipads etc. and we need a solid browser to experience it, which is not there. It leaves a lot to be desired considering:
a. Flyer has 1gb ram, a powerful processor, 1 GB system ROM, Enough Internal Memory
b. Initially it was sold for exorbitant price (700$+, though mine 32 gb, 3g cost $390)
c. It was told by Google about an year back that all devices should be supported till 18 months.
Yeah, flyer has beautiful features like pen, hd cams, srs, mhl out, brilliant screen, top battery. But it lacks a solid browsing experience. In my view what the majority of us want is a solid browsing experience. Now that comes with a HC update or ICS update will not matter to me.
Many people are talking of broken GPS. If its really broken, then its HTC's duty to repair it, not the developers'. If its not broken, we should forget about this issue. Now if someone says it requires just a change in config file to repair it, I agree to it but this small repair forces you to root and risk bricking.
On another note of doctorlirio campaign: he should not have raised the issue of GSM calls with HTC. HTC didn't give us calling functionality, xda did.
So, why we are always wanting better? Because it has become our need and habit to stay ahead and overcome the weaknesses of our devices. We can't stand any weakness in our devices. And for me, a solid browsing experience is my primary need where my flyer doesn't satisfy me fully. Whether its HTC or developers, we always want better for our devices.
( though opera mobile works a little better in browsing, but sometimes ( may be often) it also fails to function perfectly on high load web pages.)
Lastly, I feel that, its a little too late now for us to keep chasing HTC. ( though HTC is to blame for a weak internet browsing experience and those who paid exorbitant sums for buying this are even more right in blaming htc)
lekhwani said:
Lol. ( its just Google translate)
To all:
Something is not happening right. We are arguing on wrong issues. Some points I noticed and I would like to emphasise upon are:
1. Yeah they gave us honeycomb. But its not perfect. Chiefly the internet browsing experience. Internet is the soul of computers, tablets, smart phones, ipads etc. and we need a solid browser to experience it, which is not there. It leaves a lot to be desired considering:
a. Flyer has 1gb ram, a powerful processor, 1 GB system ROM, Enough Internal Memory
b. Initially it was sold for exorbitant price (700$+, though mine 32 gb, 3g cost $390)
c. It was told by Google about an year back that all devices should be supported till 18 months.
Yeah, flyer has beautiful features like pen, hd cams, srs, mhl out, brilliant screen, top battery. But it lacks a solid browsing experience. In my view what the majority of us want is a solid browsing experience. Now that comes with a HC update or ICS update will not matter to me.
Many people are talking of broken GPS. If its really broken, then its HTC's duty to repair it, not the developers'. If its not broken, we should forget about this issue. Now if someone says it requires just a change in config file to repair it, I agree to it but this small repair forces you to root and risk bricking.
On another note of doctorlirio campaign: he should not have raised the issue of GSM calls with HTC. HTC didn't give us calling functionality, xda did.
So, why we are always wanting better? Because it has become our need and habit to stay ahead and overcome the weaknesses of our devices. We can't stand any weakness in our devices. And for me, a solid browsing experience is my primary need where my flyer doesn't satisfy me fully. Whether its HTC or developers, we always want better for our devices.
( though opera mobile works a little better in browsing, but sometimes ( may be often) it also fails to function perfectly on high load web pages.)
Lastly, I feel that, its a little too late now for us to keep chasing HTC. ( though HTC is to blame for a weak internet browsing experience and those who paid exorbitant sums for buying this are even more right in blaming htc)
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I came to that conclusion today about Web browsing actually. I wanted something that would be as useful as a laptop and Web browsing has never been stellar on it. And the best Android Web browser isn't available on it!
Senseless helps with browsing big time but unfortunately I still find myself grabbing the laptop and getting frustrated with the browser when I need to get something done.
As for everything else its perfect but the one thing I bought it for is its greatest weakness. I didn't buy it expecting any update, but I was hoping we'd get ics to fix the Web browsing. Web browsing is fully gpu accelerated in ics and my phone whether I'm running chrome or the stock htc browser is pc quality. The flyer is more akin to my old captivate.
Firefox might be the answer if they ever optimize it for tablets
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