I know very little of BlueTooth, so this may be a very silly question, but I was wondering. I have some problems with the A2DP connection, it skips and pauzes, a problem I didn't have with my Touch HD. So I was wondering:
Is it possible to cook a custom rom which uses the MS BT-stack rather thant he Widcomm one?
I would like to know this as well.
Been looking around @ the Touch Pro2 forums (that uses the widcomm / broadcom stack too) and I think the answer's no... it's well known that the widcomm stack is ****e and doesn't implement all the stuff that the MS one has, hence the BT probs ppl have.
Although this topic belings elsewhere I really hope driver updates help fix the horrible A2DP quality, not great in HD2 even tweaked out the max.
aussiebum said:
Been looking around @ the Touch Pro2 forums (that uses the widcomm / broadcom stack too) and I think the answer's no... it's well known that the widcomm stack is ****e and doesn't implement all the stuff that the MS one has, hence the BT probs ppl have.
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actually it's the other way round (although I'm not sure about the current version of widcomm in HD2), I've had windows mobile phones for the last 4-5 years, and MS BT stacks has always been inferior compared to Widcomm.
zenkinz said:
actually it's the other way round (although I'm not sure about the current version of widcomm in HD2), I've had windows mobile phones for the last 4-5 years, and MS BT stacks has always been inferior compared to Widcomm.
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well, it's inferior for me because I can't use BlueInput with the widcomm stack
A quick search for the term "touch pro2 bluetooth stack" also brings up a bunch of links of people having issues with the widcomm stack (like this for example: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=10696).
I'm sure they've probably improved the stack since then, but seeing as some people still have problems I'd rather have the standard MS stack where possible instead.
It should be possible on custom ROMs, but as far as I know it's not possible to change the stock BT stack on HTC official ROMs.
I also know bluetooth very little, what makes BT stack differently, hardware or software??
I remember back in 2004, we all were dying to replace the Microsoft BT stack with Widcomm one
Well to keep it simple, the bluetooth stack can be considered a mix between the drivers required for bluetooth to work and a series of apps/services which allow the device to use and work with different BT profiles (like device discovery, bluetooth serial port, A2DP, etc)...
Sounds like drivers to me. I know that on my PC, if I use a bluetooth device I can use the manufacturers drivers/tools or I can just use the default M$ ones. I wonder if it can happen then when custom roms become available?
Please please please put the MS stack back in chefs! The rubbish Widcomm one won't play nice with a lot of devices and apps (like MSVC)
HTC HD2 bluetooth stack & BMW ULF
There is a worldwide demand for the HD2 to work with the later ULF's for BMW built in car kits. If a ROM can be cooked to replace the Widcomm with the MS Stack I am sure there will be many downloads and donations from gratefull end users. Jetware would probably then work allowing tweaking between car and phone.
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Hi fellas.
I'm no expert.. but I did realised that the Universal had updates on AKU3.2, and also the Phrophet. Also heard that some Dell PDAs has the Widcomm BT stack co-existing with WM5.
So I'm wondering.. why isn't the Atom/hp6828 ROM that hackable? I know alot of users are complaining about the lousy MS BT stack, that causes lotsa problems with the A2DP profile, etc. Only if someone can get AKU3.2 for these devices.. or perhaps the Widcomm stack..
Any leads to that?
hacking is bad...
what we do here is improvise and customizing our system to suit our needs mostly...
non..
MasK said:
Hi fellas.
I'm no expert.. but I did realised that the Universal had updates on AKU3.2, and also the Phrophet. Also heard that some Dell PDAs has the Widcomm BT stack co-existing with WM5.
So I'm wondering.. why isn't the Atom/hp6828 ROM that hackable? I know alot of users are complaining about the lousy MS BT stack, that causes lotsa problems with the A2DP profile, etc. Only if someone can get AKU3.2 for these devices.. or perhaps the Widcomm stack..
Any leads to that?
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It seems that HP has done something to its devices so that you are FORCED to use only their HP branded accessories.
Im using all HP iPAQ accessories and its working flawlessly (BT ST Headphones, BT Headset, BT Foldable Keyboard)
ok guy so since the new ROM is out I just have to ask...... is the Widdcom stack better than the MS in terms of A2DP sound quality.
Personally i am not happy with the sound quality of the MS stack but then I have never used the Widdcom one.
let us know some pros and cons if u have used both.
rumy said:
ok guy so since the new ROM is out I just have to ask...... is the Widdcom stack better than the MS in terms of A2DP sound quality.
Personally i am not happy with the sound quality of the MS stack but then I have never used the Widdcom one.
let us know some pros and cons if u have used both.
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Tried both
The AKU 3.3 stack is better than the AKU 2.3 stack.
But the Widdcomm stack sounds still mutch better then the one from AKU 3.3
Only thing is, when my phone is one for a few hours, I have to softreset first before it want to connect to my headset.
Ive read the widdcom thread but could not find how to install it. nor did i see the file. im thinking its buried in there. can u gimme a link or instructions on how to get it on my phone.
thanks
I found it no better but this is a test version of the AKU 3.3. Some features of the AKU seem not to be implemented in the test version. I emailed HTC with regards to poor sound quality with the iTech R35 (re-branded as the HTC S100) and they said they hope to resolve the bad sound quality with the official release. Not too keen on that word hope.
If you have a headset that accepts MP3 streams like the iTechs's or MSI's have a look at the following, best sound quality I have found yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285227
rumy; all the instructions and the download are in the thread, take some time to read through it. There is a cab file which you copy to your phone and run from there.
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poor sound quality with the iTech R35 test the AKU 3.3.
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thanks daedalia. Ill check it out in a bit....
Just to resurrect this thread from back in the day, has anyone seen THIS??
Im wanting a wireless bluetooth A2DSP thing with the AVRCP buttons on it. Also I want to be able to use my own earphones and this looks the ticket!
Has anyone used this or something similar on the Hermes yet?? And if so does the A2DP fix work?!?!
I've tried a number of headsets on the Hermes, including the 320s.
In terms of connection and stability the HTC is by a far distance the most stable. The 320s did not have a good connection when I tried it.
Unfortunatly all headsets had lots of hissing when used with WM6. I did not try all of them with WM5, but the results seems to be much better.
Some people have good results using reg. hacks or the Widcomm stack. For me that doesn't work.
The AVRCP buttons worked fine on all headsets I've tried (with the media player. Not all players support AVRCP).
All in all the quality of all headsets is much worse than the supplied wired headset. Still the headset makes sense to me, but not for high quality listening.
mrvanx said:
Just to resurrect this thread from back in the day, has anyone seen THIS??
Im wanting a wireless bluetooth A2DSP thing with the AVRCP buttons on it. Also I want to be able to use my own earphones and this looks the ticket!
Has anyone used this or something similar on the Hermes yet?? And if so does the A2DP fix work?!?!
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Webhmaster said:
I've tried a number of headsets on the Hermes, including the 320s.
In terms of connection and stability the HTC is by a far distance the most stable. The 320s did not have a good connection when I tried it.
Unfortunatly all headsets had lots of hissing when used with WM6. I did not try all of them with WM5, but the results seems to be much better.
Some people have good results using reg. hacks or the Widcomm stack. For me that doesn't work.
The AVRCP buttons worked fine on all headsets I've tried (with the media player. Not all players support AVRCP).
All in all the quality of all headsets is much worse than the supplied wired headset. Still the headset makes sense to me, but not for high quality listening.
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Gutted!!
Im thinking is there a way i can test A2DP using my PC as the headset?! Il get back to you if i find a solution.
mrvanx: I am currently using my Jabra BT620s (http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/9783.htm) with all AVRCP functions working properly on my Orange SPV M3100 loaded with Black's latest WM6 ROM.
Jabra BT8010 has a great sound and is very flexible...
I would recommend it
BT 320 has software upgrade from Jabra website. Also, it has a very good function - to collect other music player using a wire at the same time collect to your phone using BT. This can perfect solve the music sound quality problem about your PDA.
leochan2005 said:
BT 320 has software upgrade from Jabra website. Also, it has a very good function - to collect other music player using a wire at the same time collect to your phone using BT. This can perfect solve the music sound quality problem about your PDA.
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You mean the BT230 can be connected to a different MP3 player using a cable too? (rather than Bluetooth)
Yes, the model number is BT 325s, check this out. But I cannot find any in HK
Mrvanx
I got a BT320s for my super.fi 5 Pro. The sound is excellent.
Volume adjustment is good
I got the latest FW from the Jabra Singapore site (no way to know what version is on the device and what version is on the upgrade)...
The US site shows it as coming soon???
When getting a call while listening thru A2DP you can take the call but then the phone hangs and need to be reset.
The BT8010 works better from this stand point (not much but at least no need to reset the XDA)
One of the main issue with BT320s is that it switch on by itself easily through a slight push on the central button... and the call management...
This may be due to my WM6 ROM (4/23 from LVSW)...
Anyone know if you can put the motherboard and guts of a hero in a G1 housing giving you the ability to use the physical keyboard of the g1 with the better memory ect of the hero?
it would get messy, the screens are a different size, ahah and if you kept the g1's screen it would take alot of programming i think to get it to work
i wouldnt say its impossible, but arnt there ways of using bluetooth keyboards?
id suggest figuring that out!
Bluetooth keyboards are certainly an option. There are two commercial apps in the market which support them. One for SPP & one for HID (the two BT profiles, serial port profile & human interface device, which BT keyboards can use), so most keyboards should work with one or the other. As it happens, I'm waiting for delivery of a Freedom Pro, from Handtec, atm.
It's probably not actually impossible, but if you had to ask then it's not something you could do.
I'd say it's practically impossible in that no one would ever do it.
OT: The poster above mentioned 2 apps for using a BT keyboard.. what are they and do either support the original old freedom BT kb?
It's possible, but as far as I'm aware you'd need to write new drivers for communicating with the physical keyboard, and the older screen/buttons, etc.
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OT: The poster above mentioned 2 apps for using a BT keyboard.. what are they and do either support the original old freedom BT kb?
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BlueInput & KeyPro. Can't get either to work with the Freedom Pro on a 1.5 gsm Hero (they support many phones running 1.5). Hero seems to be lacking something under 1.5 that most other devices have.
i need a replacement for my jaybird x2 but dont want to get the X3 now that bluetooth 5.0 is available. Or does anyone know of a good headset that will be release soon with bluetooth 5.0?
is it because your x2 doesn't work with the S8 ? because it doesn't work with mine either .
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is it because your x2 doesn't work with the S8 ? because it doesn't work with mine either .
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it works fine just the battery is getting old. and itll be nice to have more range with 5.0
I am also wondering if there are any Bluetooth 5.0 headphones anywhere yet. I can't find anything.
Also looking for BT 5.0. Still using the original Bluebuds x ! Battery only lasts me about 4 hours.
This is driving me nuts--there are some pretty legit reasons for wanting BT 5.0 headphones, and I don't really want to buy a replacement pair that DOESN'T have BT 5.0 because that'd be silly now that my phone supports it . . . blech. There has to be someone out there making them, right?
I searched pretty hard online this weekend and found NOTHING, not even articles/teasers of soon to be released 5.0 headsets.
I'm turning up similar amounts of nothing at all. One wonders why Samsung wouldn't be more interested in playing this up as a feature and thus driving stories about it. Maybe they're too focused on the AKG earbuds they're bundling with the phone, and the fact that the s8 has a headphone jack and the iPhone doesn't? That's my best guess . . .
BT 5.0 is pretty new. The S8 is pretty much the first phone to have it, and I believe it will take a few months until we see some better quality BT5.0 headphones on the market.
But no one's announced plans at all??? Finding the same nothing others are finding - and the silence is deafening.
FYI, X2 and X3 work just fine with the S8 and S8+.
I guess I will continue to wait. I actually really like my BT headphones, sound/battery wise, but they tend to cut out when my phone is in my pocket and I turn my head, which is just annoying.
The biggest issue with making devices that are BT 5.0 is that there is no backwards compatibility. So a set of headphones with 5.0 would not work on a device(Phone, tablet, computer,etc) that didn't come Bluetooth 5.0 capable. Sure they could add BT 4.2 to it, but that would require an additional bt radio. Increasing price and size
My Plantronics edge batteries are about shot. I'd love to buy another Plantronics edge like headset but I'll try to wait BT 5.0. Even if I weren't waiting for BT 5.0 I wouldn't buy another on the chance I'd buy a new headset that has been sitting around for 3 years.
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The biggest issue with making devices that are BT 5.0 is that there is no backwards compatibility. So a set of headphones with 5.0 would not work on a device(Phone, tablet, computer,etc) that didn't come Bluetooth 5.0 capable. Sure they could add BT 4.2 to it, but that would require an additional bt radio. Increasing price and size
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Do you have source on this? I havent seen any articles that says it's not backward compatible. If this is true then it could be a while until any manufactures will release new headsets with 5.0 if the only device currently that can use it is the S8.
I'm not sure why you'd think they weren't backwards compatible. I've gone through every previous generation of BT and to the best of my recollection if you use a newer gen with older gen the only issue is you don't get all the benefits of the new gen but they certainly communicated with each other.
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Do you have source on this? I havent seen any articles that says it's not backward compatible. If this is true then it could be a while until any manufactures will release new headsets with 5.0 if the only device currently that can use it is the S8.
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Look at the Bluetooth website. Or any other website talking about the technical specs. After I did research I tried looking up any devices that are 5.0, besides just headphones and sadly couldn't find any. 5.0 will be phenomenal, just gonna be a bit before it's implemented widespread sadly
Acoustichayes said:
Look at the Bluetooth website. Or any other website talking about the technical specs. After I did research I tried looking up any devices that are 5.0, besides just headphones and sadly couldn't find any. 5.0 will be phenomenal, just gonna be a bit before it's implemented widespread sadly
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Will Bluetooth 5.0 devices be
backward compatible with
current Bluetooth devices in
the marketplace?
Devices implementing only the
low energy feature of Bluetooth
5 will be backward compatible
with Bluetooth 4.2, 4.1 and 4.0
devices that also implement the
low energy feature.
Devices implementing the Basic
Rate/Enhanced Data Rate (BR/
EDR) Core Configuration will
be backward compatible with
all adopted Bluetooth Core
Specification versions beginning
with 1.1 that also implement
Bluetooth BR/EDR.
From the Bluetooth FAQ.
I can connect three S5 to my Bluetooth speaker that isn't 5 just fine. As well as transfer files fine.
russ18uk said:
Will Bluetooth 5.0 devices be
backward compatible with
current Bluetooth devices in
the marketplace?
Devices implementing only the
low energy feature of Bluetooth
5 will be backward compatible
with Bluetooth 4.2, 4.1 and 4.0
devices that also implement the
low energy feature.
Devices implementing the Basic
Rate/Enhanced Data Rate (BR/
EDR) Core Configuration will
be backward compatible with
all adopted Bluetooth Core
Specification versions beginning
with 1.1 that also implement
Bluetooth BR/EDR.
From the Bluetooth FAQ.
I can connect three S5 to my Bluetooth speaker that isn't 5 just fine. As well as transfer files fine.
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I think you're mixing up what I'm saying. The s5 doesn't have bt5. But receiving devices that have bt5 are not backwards compatible with transmitting devices that aren't bt5. Majority of devices that transmit (phones, tablets, etc) will have bt5 and down installed in them, such as the S8, because doing that is simple. As a receiver has to implement all the things that come with higher BT qualifications and standards. Broadcasting BT is much more simple and convenient than having to receive everything connected to that signal.
I'm just relaying information from the bt5 specs though. I have not tested any of this in real world applications
That was a typo, I meant S8. Swype keeps using my old dictionary.
Here is the link I'm referring to as the FAQ:
https://www.bluetooth.com/~/media/files/specification/bluetooth-5-faq.ashx?la=en