Regarding your enquiry, kindly be informed that we are working on an Eclair update (2.0) for the HTC Hero. Because Eclair is a significantly enhanced release, it will require some time to update Sense for this new version of the Android OS. Please be patient while we work to provide you with a tightly integrated experience like the one you are already enjoying on your Hero.
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Regarding your request, unfortunately this is the only information we have at the moment regarding that matter, regrettably there is no information regarding Android 2.1 operating system neither a confirmation that it will be available nor a denial, kindly check on the HTC website on the support page to keep track of any newly released upgrades.
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We have waited for a long time so far and the day we get 2.0, it will be an old version already.
MCR 3.1 > Android 2.x
It clearly sux but sense adds a lot to android, so the difference between 2.0 and 2.1 is way smaller than the difference between 2.1 and 2.0 + sense.
We just have to hope that 2.0 won't be the last update for the Hero...
It takes time to develop these things.
As for the quotes from HTC, those are your standard "I'm just a CSR and I'm not allowed to say anything whether I actually know it or not" response. And we really haven't waited that long. A couple months? For HTC to overhaul their UI to a completely new API? Be patient, it's coming. I'd be willing to bet that the update is 2.1, since we already have a ROM based on an HTC leak. Why would there be a leaked 2.1 ROM if they weren't going to put one out?
@kouray: The phone's been out for less than a year. This won't be the last update.
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We have waited for a long time so far and the day we get 2.0, it will be an old version already.
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HTC have already tweeted last month that the Sprint Hero will be getting 2.1 instead of 2.0. There's no reason to believe that this isn't also true of the GSM Hero!
Regards,
Dave
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HTC have already tweeted last month that the Sprint Hero will be getting 2.1 instead of 2.0. There's no reason to believe that this isn't also true of the GSM Hero!
Regards,
Dave
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I also would like to believe in that we will get 2.1 instead of 2.0. But I pasted the response from HTC Support without touching a comma.
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I also would like to believe in that we will get 2.1 instead of 2.0. But I pasted the response from HTC Support without touching a comma.
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HTC CSRs are notoriously ill-informed most of the time.
2.1 is still Eclair - it's just got some bug fixes in it. Lox-Dev and Benhaams ROM is based on a leaked HTC build of 2.1, so it is clear that HTC are working on 2.1 for the Hero.
Regards,
Dave
I hope you are right.
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HTC CSRs are notoriously ill-informed most of the time.
2.1 is still Eclair - it's just got some bug fixes in it. Lox-Dev and Benhaams ROM is based on a leaked HTC build of 2.1, so it is clear that HTC are working on 2.1 for the Hero.
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Dave
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even if they don't release it, i am optimistic that the great devs here & on xda will make the advantages of 2.1 available for a hero rom... whatever they are exactly, somebody has a changelog of android at hand?
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@kouray: The phone's been out for less than a year. This won't be the last update.
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Hope so, I used to be on samsung phones so I don't know anything about updates
But I still think HTC will stop updates on hero someday soon to sell their 2nd generation android phones..
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Hope so, I used to be on samsung phones so I don't know anything about updates
But I still think HTC will stop updates on hero someday soon to sell their 2nd generation android phones..
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You're probably right... but hopefully that won't happen till Android out-grows the Hero hardware.
I sent a support request asking about the release of 2.x. They answered me that it was coming "in the middle of the year".
In the mean time I am really enjoing LoxDev's KaguDroid. I like it so much that I don't think I will ever go back to Sense. KaguDroid is the only Custom ROM that has stayed on my Hero for more than two days.
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Fools - I, very kindly, addressed this entire issue for you - I even made some suggestions as to how to live in the 'real' ****ing world - you ****s will never learn - as for the grandiose bombastic solipsist who labells himself craig0r (i'm pressuming the use othe zero in the 'handle' is some kind of 'in' nerd gag - hilarious) this true **** will never learn and merely infects all around him with his funny as cancer 'laughs' and incredible insights
Poor Poor Poor boys - ah well !!
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I have enjoyed my world tour to bypass 'security' - mainly visited the states but also a good troll through Europe with an emphasis on the Netherlands - as for what has gone on here the two fools labelled craig0r (see previous post for sentiment on the label) and Liamhere - also know as cowardly oberfuhrercnut no 1 - what can I say that I already haven't ? How's about an example to illustrate what I'm crapping on about:
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy - Be it book, Series or Film nothing changes - what doesn't change I hear you ask - well, the gobsmackingly consistent way it is as funny as a 3 year old having been run over - yet some people, for reasons unknown - see it as hilarious. This sums up these two fools - in the 'real ' world - nazi overzealous small men that keep interfering are detested (Liamhere) and self-congratulatory, pedantic humourless solipsists who have a vastly overinflated sense of their own self-worth / self importance and merely cling at straws (crai0r) - ****s like these are detested. I don't get it - I see plenty of people here who are good lads and lasses with some intellect and wit - yet ****s like these are defended - boo hoo - Someone illuminate me - note to craig0r - not you you **** - as I've made pretty ****ing clear I'm not remotely interested in either you, the **** labelled Liamhere or the 'Phantom' admin that keeps booting me - only for me to re-emerge - I'm not going away so ****in face up to it
Denounce these fools and allow free speech, intellect and Humour reign supreme on what is, IMHO (for the nerds that last acronym) and excellent site (note the cloying sycophancy of the last statement) - Au revoir for now, your humble servant
Simon xx
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calm down bro. nothing to get personal in internet forums.
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calm down bro. nothing to get personal in internet forums.
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Please don't feed trolls.
However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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dude, you really don't know bout technology stuff like this is obsolete when it's released, and they start developing again. it's not easy to re-write software to suit something different... be patient
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However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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http://www.itechnews.net/2009/12/08/htc-2010-android-lineup-leaked/
with all the htc devices coming up in 2010, especially the bravo and the htc legend ( supposedly the succesor to hero) i dont think the htc hero will get any updates after the promised eclair one.
I bought the Hero when it was released in the UK. people said "ooh, watch out, HTC won't support that". I laughed, "HTC are fantastic" etc etc.
Unfortunately it turns out they were actually right as I'm still stuck at 1.5 officially. Options are there thanks to devs here but it's still garbage that the hero has been left in favour of pushing out the new phones instead. I've had a few tweets at HTC on twitter, they've announced updates twice so far which have subsequently been canned. Meanwhile i'm stuck with the old marketplace and unable to use any apps that require 1.6.... bollocks is what it is.
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I sent a support request asking about the release of 2.x. They answered me that it was coming "in the middle of the year".
In the mean time I am really enjoing LoxDev's KaguDroid. I like it so much that I don't think I will ever go back to Sense. KaguDroid is the only Custom ROM that has stayed on my Hero for more than two days.
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what's so good about it? anything missing/broken? edit: researched, looks to be incomplete and full of issues. guess i'll be waiting until someone gets a stable 2.+ for the HERO out :/
You're not really stuck, if you can get rid of sense you already can install some 2.0 roms (like kagudroid). The patience is required only for espresso..
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dude, you really don't know bout technology stuff like this is obsolete when it's released, and they start developing again. it's not easy to re-write software to suit something different... be patient
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i guess i know more than you, dude. whether it's - in your words - "easy" to update or not, that's not the point. the problem on their site is, that they do not invest enough resources into updating the phone.
of course it's only my expectation, but as you can see on these and many other forums, blog et cetera, many people are unsatisfied with the current situation. and all these people's are customers and when customers are unsatisfied with a company and/or their products/support they may change the company in future. that is what really matters.
Related
So HTC's two new 2.1 phones were rooted by Paul O'Brian, hours after he had his hands on them.
http://twitteling.com/2010/04/htc-desire-and-htc-legend-has-succeeded-in-the-root/
Apparently it was 'easy'. He is without internet and on vacation for two weeks, so no more details.
For Legend/Desire users it does not mean much yet, due to file systems being locked. However if this could be used on our 2.1 ROMs, we would be wide open.
Did we miss something simple? If you have time, and willingness please join me in looking for something simple, that could of been overlooked by both HTC and ourselves. This has been on my mind for days.
Several Desire owners have informed me that oem unlock is disabled just like our phones, so the n1 method is not what he used. I image the desire/legend kernel is somewhat close to our's. Like our's, no kernel source is available.
Any Shots are welcome.
Is there a way of contacting this Paul guy?
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Is there a way of contacting this Paul guy?
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He is without internet and on vacation for two weeks, so no more details.
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sure korben if you happen to have his phone number.....
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Is there a way of contacting this Paul guy?
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Not until the 20th, and even if I did have a way I wouldn't bug him on his vacation.
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Not until the 20th, and even if I did have a way I wouldn't bug him on his vacation.
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No kidding! Can't a guy get a vacation these days without people getting up his ass asking for help?
I dont want to get flamed just asking wasn't this orginally posted on April Fools Day is it possiblly a fake. I'm no expert and devs could probably look at the picture and tell?
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I dont want to get flamed just asking wasn't this orginally posted on April Fools Day is it possiblly a fake. I'm no expert and devs could probably look at the picture and tell?
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It was posted on April 1st, its not a joke.
Long time Lurker, first time poster.
I know that the roms from HTC are signed and it would be almost imposable to hack the key used to sign the roms. However have the developers looked at it from the other direction? Do we know how the Eris stores the certificate that is used to check the signed Roms? Dose the Eris use a keystore for this and is that store shared with the web browser? Would it be possible to Inject or replace the Cert in order to sign our own roms? I'm guessing not but you never know.
I'm not a dev so its ok to flame me if this is way off base or been covered before.
Also thank to all the Dev's for all of your hard work.
Derek
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well this is atleast something positive. Lets hope this guy is our savior...
I hope he's having a wonderful vacation , the dev team deserves it
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@jcase: I'm thinking he just used a pre-compiled root (asroot/m7 etc), which would be the easiest possible way to do it. We have tried pretty much all known kernel sploits a hundred different ways and the Eris kernel still stands untouched. However, if these newer phones are vulnerable to the same exploits (need official word on this from Paul), then perhaps they're not patched on Eris, but are just incompatible / working not as intended.
Bounty?
Is the bounty still alive/in effect?
Chances are he doesn't own an Eris. Then again, he might not need to...
If so, well, I'd be willing to contribute to getting one into his hands.
The second build of the leak is acting up for me. I was pretty happy with the first one actually. This is what being impatient does
It'll be awesome to see how this was done as the security on the devices seems similar to ours from the limited amount I can see...
I didn't realize he still was on vacation, I assumed he waited to report his findings until he got home.
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@jcase: I'm thinking he just used a pre-compiled root (asroot/m7 etc), which would be the easiest possible way to do it. We have tried pretty much all known kernel sploits a hundred different ways and the Eris kernel still stands untouched. However, if these newer phones are vulnerable to the same exploits (need official word on this from Paul), then perhaps they're not patched on Eris, but are just incompatible / working not as intended.
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He "found" it before ever seeing one of the phones, just a leaked rom. I think its a permissions issue that we may have overlooked in 2.1.
thawkth, about 5 minutes after he releases details, I will know if it applies to us.
I don't think anyone gives a damn about the bounty, if someone does contact caboose and pay him his dues (if he wants them), he got us the root.
I know that jcase isn't really haggin with us any more so hopefully someone will be following up with this, it sounds promising. I am keeping an eye on the OP over at modaco but I am not sure that I have the knowledge base to replicate Pual's work if he shares his exploit. Thanks
I too am hoping this guy can help us.. he is our last hope imo.... short of htc leaking something again.
Well there won't be any news today as we may have thought. Paul seems to stuck on his vacation for a few extra days thanks to the volcano.
http://twitter.com/paulobrien
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Well there won't be any news today as we may have thought. Paul seems to stuck on his vacation for a few extra days thanks to the volcano.
http://twitter.com/paulobrien
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lol.. little does he know the storm of users that are anxiously awaiting his return...
I'm wondering what is the manufacturers' goal of the devices being locked. No ability to change their **** software? Possible claims from unresponsible users?
I don't understand this world...
HTC Sense is piece of crap (changed it to n1 launcher, but it still occupies my phone's storage space),
HTC apps are piece of crap (calendar sucks, majority of widgets suck)... wish i was able to uninstall them..
Please give us root!
Some would say - buy n1 instead... but hey, I like the look of desire and it's optical trackball... if it has to be present anyway...
Click "like" or comment on following post on HTC Flyer USA facebook page. Best way to send a message to HTC
https://www.facebook.com/htcusa/posts/212867458781538
Worth a try. I will post something
My crystal ball says: Within the next three weeks we will get HC.
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My crystal ball says: Within the next three weeks we will get HC.
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Hope you are right
like or comment the following links also:
HTC official page: http://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150495979693084
HTC Flyer official page: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=262036503831697&id=182447658457249
I hate to say but after looking at the face book page, it seems to me that its just a marketing outlet for HTC. I don't see them ever answering any support questions there, have you?
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I posted this.
It appears to me that HTC may be exiting the tablet market. They have never delivered on the promised Android update from Gingerbread to Honeycomb for the Flyer / View and the Jetstream is not competitively priced. Additionally no announcements or marketing in place for the holiday sales pitch coming up would appear to leave HTC in a bad position.
HTC are you competing and supporting your customers or dumping us????
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I hate to say but after looking at the face book page, it seems to me that its just a marketing outlet for HTC. I don't see them ever answering any support questions there, have you?
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Maybe, but a good place to put your message don't you think? I am not looking for support, I want their sales team know that they are not selling hardware, tablet is a complete package. I also want future customers know the facts. Hurting sales is the only way to teach a lesson.
Yes I guess you are right. Just have a bad feeling about this. Reminds me of my HTC Hero.
Here is the HTC US customer support email page. Use this to email to HTC support
http://www.htc.com/www/contact/email-us/
THIS IS BULL **** MAN.....i can't even express how unfair this is. HTC originally said it would be included with HC and then MONTHHHSSS later they still don't offer it to us? They promised it to us, but something tells me they forgot about us and just said screw it.
I only buy HTC products, but this customer support is unfair. This product has been out for months now and still nothing, not even a reminder saying "were working on it". They keep giving us old OS, right when (IF) we ever finally do get HC, Icecream will already be out on tablets once again giving us an OLD OS.
Would someone please explain the point of this? ICS was announced last week and is obviously superior to HC. Why are you complaining about not getting HC now? I can understand if you're complaining because you don't expect any updates, but ICS is obviously the upgrade path Google wants everything with Gingerbread to go with. By the look of things, it appears that HTC was working on HC then stopped when they got word that ICS was coming very soon.
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Here is the HTC US customer support email page. Use this to email to HTC support
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I sent them an email and this is what I got
You were wondering about a software upgrade for your HTC EVO View 4G. I would be more than happy to assist you with this software inquiry. Unfortunately, I do not have any information about the release of the Honeycomb upgrade for your Android tablet. I would recommend you keep an eye on the HTC regional website at www.htc.com/US under the Home tab for further developments.
Sent from my Evo View 4g
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Would someone please explain the point of this? ICS was announced last week and is obviously superior to HC. Why are you complaining about not getting HC now? I can understand if you're complaining because you don't expect any updates, but ICS is obviously the upgrade path Google wants everything with Gingerbread to go with. By the look of things, it appears that HTC was working on HC then stopped when they got word that ICS was coming very soon.
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I'm sorry to be blunt , but you really need to read the threads here more and understand how the Android update process works. Google does not release or control updates for any device, none, zero, nada. Maybe in the future since they now own Motorola, they will control Motorola releases, but currently no, so ICS updates are not coming soon to a device near you. When Google announces any given version of Android it runs on exactly nothing at that point and a lot of work remains with each hardware vendor to make it work on each devices.
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I sent them an email and this is what I got
You were wondering about a software upgrade for your HTC EVO View 4G. I would be more than happy to assist you with this software inquiry. Unfortunately, I do not have any information about the release of the Honeycomb upgrade for your Android tablet. I would recommend you keep an eye on the HTC regional website at www.htc.com/US under the Home tab for further developments.
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Here’s my first email to them
"Being the owner of several HTC Phones and enjoying their build quality, I recently purchased a HTC Flyer, thinking it would (as promised) get updated to Honeycomb.
Now, some web sites are reporting the flyer will not be updated.
I am now approaching my 30 day return window, so my question is, do I need to return my Flyer and buy something like the Samsung?
I really like HTC products but, I do want a device that (as promised) will get updated.
Gary"
I got the same reply as you. I then sent them this
"Thank you for your quick reply. As you know the official announcement was on Feb 11, 8 months ago saying the update to Honeycomb would be coming soon. The Flyer is approuching 1 year old and still no update. It seems like I may have to return my flyer and try another product. Thanks, Gary"
I got this back
"Gary, We very much appreciate your loyalty to HTC and understand how it can be frustrating awaiting announced updates, especially when they take longer than anticipated to come out. We ask for your patience as the update is being developed and tested for your device. Thank you again!"
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My crystal ball says: Within the next three weeks we will get HC.
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IS there some relevance in your 3 week suggestion?.
I mean is there some announcement from HTC due in that timeframe (fiscal results), a trade-show, or is it really just a gut-feeling/guess?
Thanks
Iain
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"Gary, We very much appreciate your loyalty to HTC and understand how it can be frustrating awaiting announced updates, especially when they take longer than anticipated to come out. We ask for your patience as the update is being developed and tested for your device. Thank you again!"
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Sounds good. I hope it's true and not just another ready-made reply.
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Sounds good. I hope it's true and not just another ready-made reply.
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If it is false info they’re going to buy mine back … they just don’t know that yet
ICS is long way off. I don't expect HTC to release ICS update. Most likely the combination of cyanogenmod + some talented developer will give us ICS.
People fail to realize that Android and iOS are completely different animals.
iOS is made for very small set of hardware (for e.g. iOS supports iPHone 3G, 3GS, 4,4S, iPad and iPad2 hardware only) and hence it is a complete product. Hardware/Software/Apps and middleware (drivers etc) work together to deliver a consistent experience - Apple ensures that.
In Android world - google creates one version of OS with basic set of apps and middleware (drivers etc). It relies on companies to to create software and drivers compatible with the OS and developers to create apps compatible with OS - not an easy task with multiple vendors/hardware combinations.
In a sense Google has been shooting itself in foot with so many versions Froyo, GB, HC and ICS within last 2 years. I will not be surprised if companies stop supporting Google because they are tired of providing all this support. Supporting an OS update takes months of hard work. Add carrier specific releases to that and you begin to understand what a big mess all this is.
ICS is a first step by Google in right direction. Now we will have a single Android OS for phones & tablets with patch releases in future. This will bring stability to Android platform and to its vendors. In my opinion there should never have been HC and GB out at all. It should just have been HC that supported both phones and tablets.
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If it is false info they’re going to buy mine back … they just don’t know that yet
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Haha, excellent answer!
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Click "like" or comment on following post on HTC Flyer USA facebook page. Best way to send a message to HTC
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Yeah. I have added my $0.02.
Hi XDA folks,
Just saw this link which give us some insights to news onofficial ICS for flyer
http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/htc-flyer-mise-a-jour-officielle-ice-cream-sandwich/
Cheers,
Renga
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Hi XDA folks,
Just saw this link which give us some insights to news onofficial ICS for flyer
http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/htc-flyer-mise-a-jour-officielle-ice-cream-sandwich/
Cheers,
Renga
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My French needs some work. You mind translating
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here you go!!
This is what i got when i translated.. with googles help
Many of us regret installing Honeycomb on the HTC Flyer . Gingerbread for a return on it will send its tablet for service or simply flash the UCP method (not verified) that we can show you on request.
Honeycomb has taken a while but for Ice Cream Sandwich the story will be different since the update is scheduled for the first quarter, in a little over 2 months the very most!
Thank you to bandjamesband for the info!
We remind you that Google had not delivered the source code and therefore Honeycomb HTC 's had to do with using the SDK. So Sense is much less well integrated in Android 3.2. With the arrival of Android 4.0 on our shelves is expected obviously a major concern of this correction
Well yes according to that it looks likely.
The conversation with HTC which is mostly missing appears to have been about what options a user had to get off honeycomb.
The response from HTC was to send it to after sales service for a downgrade to gingerbread or to wait for the ICS update
The follow up question was, when is the ICS update planned for?
The response: Planned for the first quarter of this year.
I didn't translate the article, just the "chat with us conversation" from where the information about the update comes. And yes I am 100% certain of the accuracy of meaning in my translation.
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My French needs some work. You mind translating
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How do you say +1 in French? Plusavue une?
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shameful as my mother is a French Canadian that I could not piece together the message. Hopeful it its true though
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How do you say +1 in French? Plusavue une?
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Like this: +1
Plus un, would be a suitable translation but I don't think I've every seen it written in words in any language.
So does everyone actually prefer Gingerbread over Honeycomb on this device? If so then why?
I prefer honeycomb but reasons why are all opinion
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So does everyone actually prefer Gingerbread over Honeycomb on this device? If so then why?
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Everyone actually prefers Froyo, but no one could figure out how to downgrade to it.
But anyway my unofficial poll came out like this.
Favor HC: 96%
Favor GB: 3%
Favor Terminal mode: 1%
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+1...
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I prefer GB, battery life is a bit improved and I can make calls again.
Backwards compatibility is not all the way there for HC.
Yeah it looks fancier and all but I can make voip calls and all my bought apps that are bought for my Inspire 4G work 100% on GB Flyer.
Since I have AT&Trash the reception here leaves alot to be desired so I rely on my Flyer for phonecalls + I can call pretty much call or receive nationwide for free.
I know some do not care about this feature but it is essential to me and especially my gf. Yak, Yak, Yak. lol
Info on the procedure here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1449859
I hope this is true but I don't believe it.
Customer service people are always the last to know anything. So, something is up here. I fear it is a hoax or just more bad information. We should all know better than to believe stuff we read on some site we never heard of before.
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I hope this is true but I don't believe it.
Customer service people are always the last to know anything. So, something is up here. I fear it is a hoax or just more bad information. We should all know better than to believe stuff we read on some site we never heard of before.
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I am full of doubt, especially considering how long honeycombe took and the fact that the flyer is pretty much discontinued
I agree. Hate to be pessimist, but I think the road ends with Honeycomb and all its shortcomings.
Sent from my HTC Flyer; resisting Honeycomb due to allergy
My question is will Honeycomb actually be supported a little further down the road or will it just be forgotten. It seems like it was just a bridge to hold over tablet owners until the real OS hit, ICS. So what will developers do and will they continue to make everything Honeycomb compatible.
I almost feel like Google should request all Honeycomb tablets be upgraded to ICS and they should take the hit on any costs to do since they are responsible for putting together a half assed OS until ICS rolled out...
Microsoft did that with Win/ME and Vista
what i dont like with HC is the bar at the bottum... takes up to much screen.
this baby only got 7 inch, and by haveing a permanent bar there, makes the screen even smaller. dont like it..
the flyer/view got some HW-buttons, so the bar isent that useful...
but otherwise i prefere HC
Everyone needs to get a grip.
HC will go the way of Froyo and GB. They will be forgotten and the next big thing ICS and then Jelly Bean will replace them and on and on. Hardware will always be outdated in 6 to 9 months and new stuff will replace it. As for Google dictating that HW vendors and sellers update to the latest OS, they tried that in the annual meeting Oct. 2011 and got the big one fingered salute from all the manufacturer and cell carriers. Google is in no position to dictate things. They attempted to get everyone to agree to updating all devices to the new OS within 4 months and no one agreed. So it's all best effort meaning sellers can do it if they want to.
You have to remember that HW sellers don't make money from fixing all your problems and updating software. They make money from selling new hardware. So they will choose to do the bare minimum level of support. Now that may not be what you think is right or how it "should be", but that is reality and not accepting that will just make you more unhappy. Where you going to go? Apple? MIcrosoft? maybe.... Microsoft started out having a central update site for all Windows phone, but they have abandoned that concept due to cell carrier pressure. So now they are in the same boat as Google with users beholding to cell providers for their updates.
Google does not make a dime from direct Android sales. They are an advertising company.
Here is the English version of the article...
http://htcsource.com/2012/01/android-4-0-update-confirmed-for-the-htc-flyer/
I received a call yesterday from an HTC wanting to discuss a rather critical customer support feedback survey I recently submitted. In the course of the conversation he mentioned the ICS upgrade and I asked him when they expect that to happen. His answer:
"It'll be late May or the second half of this year."
I asked him to repeat it, and whether he had any evidence to confirm that. He said he was sure of the time frame. Make of it what you will, but I've suspected for a while we really got boned in the butt with this one. Give up on an official ICS release in any timely manner.
That's what I figured. When I was researching buying this phone and they said "Late Q1", I was skeptical and said it would probably be more like May. We got confirmation that they were blowing smoke when they announced the Rezound wouldn't be until "later this year".
The CS rep you spoke with seems to align with "later this year".
There has to be a way to get faster updates. What happened to the Google Android Update Alliance?
So basically what he said is sometime this year. That's a pretty big window, so basically we will see an official ICS build within the next 9 months. This is the very reason I root my phone. We already have very stable fully functional ICS builds thanks to our Devs. I don't understand how our Devs can get a great build for us, but yet the "professionals" can't seem to make it happen.
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So basically what he said is sometime this year. That's a pretty big window, so basically we will see an official ICS build within the next 9 months. This is the very reason I root my phone. We already have very stable fully functional ICS builds thanks to our Devs. I don't understand how our Devs can get a great build for us, but yet the "professionals" can't seem to make it happen.
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Because they aren't concerned with us getting updates. They just work on the next phone and get around to us if they feel like it.
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I'm betting it has something to do with Verizon ,not htc. Id blame Verizon for slowing down any update or rom upgrade. Simply because Verizon is testing it to find all the software bugs and tricks embedded in the ROM. And they are determining what bloatware and/or cripplrware they want to stuff in it before its release. Thats why the date keeps getting pushed ahead. Srnd it back to htc devs after vzw is done. Htc tweaks it more, vzw wants to do more to it...and back to htc yet again... :/
The alliance is a joke.
More marketing bs. Great phone though
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I'm still sticking to the summer, but yea, rooting is the way to go.
Even sadder ICS news
http://phandroid.com/2012/03/06/htc-sensation-line-to-get-android-4-0-but-only-sense-3-6/
I think if this is the case with the Rezound rooting will be a must.
Thank goodness for the leaks. They have certainly gotten to the point of being solid and give me most of what I want out of the update. But it doesn't change the fact that Android/Sense 4.0 is ready and working on other phones and they clearly don't have much respect for their previous promises or customers.
I'm sure VZW gets partial blame here, but they are all hurting their reputations together. The extra wait better result in us getting Sense 4! If we just get a bloated official 3.6 I say we get the pitchforks!
Funny, gingerbread with sense 3.5 looks and acts basically like ics with sense 3.6. I tried Joel's sense 4.0 rom and it was pretty cool. This is why we root folks. Never trust the carrier or manufacturers. Stick with the developers!
I'm sure VZW puts HTC through hell with the roms for VZW phones. Definately sucks, but IMO, the longer its put off the more likely we are to get sense 4.0
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...they clearly don't have much respect for their previous promises or customers.
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welcome to retail. HTC/Verizon already has your money. They sold you a phone with whatever software is had on it at the time. They aren't obgliated to update it at all. they do so in order to keep customers happy. its not just HTC either, motorola, samsung, LG, company x; all the same with software updates. Their policy is update the newest first then work their way back. it cost money to develop updates for every single phone model, thats just the way it is. I have learned to not worr or wait for official updates and just use what this great development community has provided to us....4 months early.
the ICS ROMS out right now are honestly magical. Try them out.
I predict that we won't see anything until the "one" is out for at least a month and the buying of that device begins slowing.
KORM via the beast known as the Rezound.
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Their policy is update the newest first then work their way back. it cost money to develop updates for every single phone model, thats just the way it is. I have learned to not worr or wait for official updates and just use what this great development community has provided to us....4 months early.
the ICS ROMS out right now are honestly magical. Try them out.
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I've been following these threads but refraining from posting in them .
I understand your point, however, Android 4.0 was released/announced just prior to the release of the Rezound. If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
I myself as well as most of us users on here aren't too hurt about this thanks to our awesome Devs but it sucks to know a lot of people dropped some nice coin for phone that HTC/Verizon have obviously not held their end of the deal of "Will receive ICS in early 2012". This was stated in red lettering on the spec list of the Rezound on the Verizon website.
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If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
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I don't really agree & I'm not trying to argue at all.
My point is that the average VZ customer could care less about updates to a phone that basically worked just fine out of the box.
I am the head of our corporate cell phone account with almost 200 phones & if you said "ICS update" to any of our users you would be met with a blank stare as they wouldn't have the first clue what you where talking about. As long as they can turn on their phones & it functions as it's supposed to, they are perfectly happy with it.
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I've been following these threads but refraining from posting in them .
I understand your point, however, Android 4.0 was released/announced just prior to the release of the Rezound. If potential customers of the Rezound knew they would not be updated for close to another year (likely when Android 5.0 will be out) I'm sure that would've swayed many buyers.
I myself as well as most of us users on here aren't too hurt about this thanks to our awesome Devs but it sucks to know a lot of people dropped some nice coin for phone that HTC/Verizon have obviously not held their end of the deal of "Will receive ICS in early 2012". This was stated in red lettering on the spec list of the Rezound on the Verizon website.
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you are def right and i agree. it sucks that consumers are fed lies to sell products. honestly though you have to think of it as a numbers game for VZW.
How many people bought the rezound? 1 million (for ease of math)
How many of those people actually care what OS their phone has? maybe 10%?
of that 100000, how many really know the advantages of ICS vs GB? maybe another 10%?
i mean its a small piece of the VZW pie when you think about it.
plus when the next big HTC phone hits the shelves for sale VZW can advertise is as the "first 4.0 HTC device"
it will be summer before we see this. all i want ice cream for is so the devs can finally get us aosp.
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How many people bought the rezound? 1 million (for ease of math)
How many of those people actually care what OS their phone has? maybe 10%?
of that 100000, how many really know the advantages of ICS vs GB? maybe another 10%?
i mean its a small piece of the VZW pie when you think about it.
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That is exactly the point I was making.
It is only posters to sites like this who really care about things like ICS updates & we are such a tiny fraction of Verizons 100 million customers. If every single XDA poster switched to Sprint tomorrow, VZ wouldn't even notice the hit........
This isn't anything new. The HTC Droid Eris was stuck on Android 1.5 forever. I'm pretty sure Android 2.2 Froyo was out already by the time the Droid Eris got its official Android 2.1 update. Based on the past, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the official release of Jelly Bean sometime before we get the official ICS update for the Rezound. I was also fully prepared for the possibility that we'd have an AOSP port working before we get the official ICS update from Verizon. The Droid Eris already has a mostly working AOSP ICS port and they haven't had an official update since Android 2.1 to base anything off of, so I know its possible with the right amount of time and patience.
Anyways, going forward its very possible we are only going to have AOSP ports for the Rezound, because it is entirely possible at this point that ICS will be the last officially supported version of Android for this phone.
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What happened to the Google Android Update Alliance?
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Hehe. Hehehe. Yeah, I remember that happening too. That was cute.
But yeah, honestly, they didn't attach any teeth to this agreement so there's no incentive for any of the manufacturers to honor it.
Lets not kid ourselves on the 7.8 update folks, as its not going to offer anything more than resizing the tiles.
Now that we have been abandoned, we should demand that HTC/microsoft release the source and unlock the bootloaders so we can flash an OS of our choosing.
I believe that ICS would run smoothly on our radars. If it could be done with HD2, it can be done with the radar.
What do you folks think?
Does ics run smoothly on hd2?
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From what I get on their site, they have several ics roms that are working well. Having a choice is always nice.
I support the OP !!
cool.gautam said:
I support the OP !!
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i'm sorry for the offtopic, but what that |OP| stands for?
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i'm sorry for the offtopic, but what that |OP| stands for?
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OP means 'original poster' So here it means i support this guy "ibnturab" as he is the OP
Well, we already have a EOL device at the 6 month Mark, give or take. Microsoft said they didn't want fragmentation like android, but here it comes already. My radar is put back in the box and I'm back to android for functionality. My radar is the LAST WP product I will buy. Look at the poor bastards who jumped on the Lumia 900 just a couple months ago. I'm sorry but Microsoft had to know that all these new devices wouldn't run WP8, but they decided to snow ball their consumers instead of being open and honest.
Now Nokia has all these phones they built that I'm sure people won't buy now with the info just released. Nokia is already hanging by a thread.
End of rant....
My time is now done in Windows phone forums. Good luck guys.
Sent from my AOKP'ed Samsung GS2 with Eugene's kernel
@awrnsmn, I totally agree with you. I'm seriously considering selling it. Its shame thought, I love the hardware, and the battery is the best I've seen yet in a smartphone. And the dedicated camera button is superb. But, in the end, we all want functionality so I'm likely gonna list this on ebay.
I'm considering the HTC amaze but I've read mixed things on battery. I'm also looking into the ATrix 2.
android on htc radar
I guess we have to wait and see if there is anybody clever enough to get ics running on a radar. I guess i will give it a try when its there. Not because i need it, but because it can
I know I said my time was done here but.....well anyway. What bothers me the most about all of this is Microsoft was really on to something with WP, it could of been a fantastic os to rival the big 2, but with the decisions their making they're killing already......sad because I USED to like where they were going with it.
Sent from my AOKP'ed Samsung GS2 with Eugene's kernel
IMHO, after my contact is up I will be switching over to Android. *The next Nexus preferably* unless MS could come with something that will make me want to get WP8. Jelly Bean and Operation Butter literally kill my love for WP7.5. :crying: