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Regarding your enquiry, kindly be informed that we are working on an Eclair update (2.0) for the HTC Hero. Because Eclair is a significantly enhanced release, it will require some time to update Sense for this new version of the Android OS. Please be patient while we work to provide you with a tightly integrated experience like the one you are already enjoying on your Hero.
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Regarding your request, unfortunately this is the only information we have at the moment regarding that matter, regrettably there is no information regarding Android 2.1 operating system neither a confirmation that it will be available nor a denial, kindly check on the HTC website on the support page to keep track of any newly released upgrades.
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We have waited for a long time so far and the day we get 2.0, it will be an old version already.
MCR 3.1 > Android 2.x
It clearly sux but sense adds a lot to android, so the difference between 2.0 and 2.1 is way smaller than the difference between 2.1 and 2.0 + sense.
We just have to hope that 2.0 won't be the last update for the Hero...
It takes time to develop these things.
As for the quotes from HTC, those are your standard "I'm just a CSR and I'm not allowed to say anything whether I actually know it or not" response. And we really haven't waited that long. A couple months? For HTC to overhaul their UI to a completely new API? Be patient, it's coming. I'd be willing to bet that the update is 2.1, since we already have a ROM based on an HTC leak. Why would there be a leaked 2.1 ROM if they weren't going to put one out?
@kouray: The phone's been out for less than a year. This won't be the last update.
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We have waited for a long time so far and the day we get 2.0, it will be an old version already.
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HTC have already tweeted last month that the Sprint Hero will be getting 2.1 instead of 2.0. There's no reason to believe that this isn't also true of the GSM Hero!
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HTC have already tweeted last month that the Sprint Hero will be getting 2.1 instead of 2.0. There's no reason to believe that this isn't also true of the GSM Hero!
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Dave
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I also would like to believe in that we will get 2.1 instead of 2.0. But I pasted the response from HTC Support without touching a comma.
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I also would like to believe in that we will get 2.1 instead of 2.0. But I pasted the response from HTC Support without touching a comma.
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HTC CSRs are notoriously ill-informed most of the time.
2.1 is still Eclair - it's just got some bug fixes in it. Lox-Dev and Benhaams ROM is based on a leaked HTC build of 2.1, so it is clear that HTC are working on 2.1 for the Hero.
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Dave
I hope you are right.
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HTC CSRs are notoriously ill-informed most of the time.
2.1 is still Eclair - it's just got some bug fixes in it. Lox-Dev and Benhaams ROM is based on a leaked HTC build of 2.1, so it is clear that HTC are working on 2.1 for the Hero.
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Dave
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even if they don't release it, i am optimistic that the great devs here & on xda will make the advantages of 2.1 available for a hero rom... whatever they are exactly, somebody has a changelog of android at hand?
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@kouray: The phone's been out for less than a year. This won't be the last update.
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Hope so, I used to be on samsung phones so I don't know anything about updates
But I still think HTC will stop updates on hero someday soon to sell their 2nd generation android phones..
kouray said:
Hope so, I used to be on samsung phones so I don't know anything about updates
But I still think HTC will stop updates on hero someday soon to sell their 2nd generation android phones..
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You're probably right... but hopefully that won't happen till Android out-grows the Hero hardware.
I sent a support request asking about the release of 2.x. They answered me that it was coming "in the middle of the year".
In the mean time I am really enjoing LoxDev's KaguDroid. I like it so much that I don't think I will ever go back to Sense. KaguDroid is the only Custom ROM that has stayed on my Hero for more than two days.
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Fools - I, very kindly, addressed this entire issue for you - I even made some suggestions as to how to live in the 'real' ****ing world - you ****s will never learn - as for the grandiose bombastic solipsist who labells himself craig0r (i'm pressuming the use othe zero in the 'handle' is some kind of 'in' nerd gag - hilarious) this true **** will never learn and merely infects all around him with his funny as cancer 'laughs' and incredible insights
Poor Poor Poor boys - ah well !!
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I have enjoyed my world tour to bypass 'security' - mainly visited the states but also a good troll through Europe with an emphasis on the Netherlands - as for what has gone on here the two fools labelled craig0r (see previous post for sentiment on the label) and Liamhere - also know as cowardly oberfuhrercnut no 1 - what can I say that I already haven't ? How's about an example to illustrate what I'm crapping on about:
The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy - Be it book, Series or Film nothing changes - what doesn't change I hear you ask - well, the gobsmackingly consistent way it is as funny as a 3 year old having been run over - yet some people, for reasons unknown - see it as hilarious. This sums up these two fools - in the 'real ' world - nazi overzealous small men that keep interfering are detested (Liamhere) and self-congratulatory, pedantic humourless solipsists who have a vastly overinflated sense of their own self-worth / self importance and merely cling at straws (crai0r) - ****s like these are detested. I don't get it - I see plenty of people here who are good lads and lasses with some intellect and wit - yet ****s like these are defended - boo hoo - Someone illuminate me - note to craig0r - not you you **** - as I've made pretty ****ing clear I'm not remotely interested in either you, the **** labelled Liamhere or the 'Phantom' admin that keeps booting me - only for me to re-emerge - I'm not going away so ****in face up to it
Denounce these fools and allow free speech, intellect and Humour reign supreme on what is, IMHO (for the nerds that last acronym) and excellent site (note the cloying sycophancy of the last statement) - Au revoir for now, your humble servant
Simon xx
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calm down bro. nothing to get personal in internet forums.
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calm down bro. nothing to get personal in internet forums.
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Please don't feed trolls.
However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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dude, you really don't know bout technology stuff like this is obsolete when it's released, and they start developing again. it's not easy to re-write software to suit something different... be patient
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However, I expect from any company producing so called "up-to-date" products, like smartphones, that they update their products for some time (at least one year) quickly, because their customers bought those products, to have a modern, state of the art thing. In the case of the Hero that's not the case, since we are waiting for an update since two or three months.
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http://www.itechnews.net/2009/12/08/htc-2010-android-lineup-leaked/
with all the htc devices coming up in 2010, especially the bravo and the htc legend ( supposedly the succesor to hero) i dont think the htc hero will get any updates after the promised eclair one.
I bought the Hero when it was released in the UK. people said "ooh, watch out, HTC won't support that". I laughed, "HTC are fantastic" etc etc.
Unfortunately it turns out they were actually right as I'm still stuck at 1.5 officially. Options are there thanks to devs here but it's still garbage that the hero has been left in favour of pushing out the new phones instead. I've had a few tweets at HTC on twitter, they've announced updates twice so far which have subsequently been canned. Meanwhile i'm stuck with the old marketplace and unable to use any apps that require 1.6.... bollocks is what it is.
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I sent a support request asking about the release of 2.x. They answered me that it was coming "in the middle of the year".
In the mean time I am really enjoing LoxDev's KaguDroid. I like it so much that I don't think I will ever go back to Sense. KaguDroid is the only Custom ROM that has stayed on my Hero for more than two days.
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what's so good about it? anything missing/broken? edit: researched, looks to be incomplete and full of issues. guess i'll be waiting until someone gets a stable 2.+ for the HERO out :/
You're not really stuck, if you can get rid of sense you already can install some 2.0 roms (like kagudroid). The patience is required only for espresso..
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dude, you really don't know bout technology stuff like this is obsolete when it's released, and they start developing again. it's not easy to re-write software to suit something different... be patient
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i guess i know more than you, dude. whether it's - in your words - "easy" to update or not, that's not the point. the problem on their site is, that they do not invest enough resources into updating the phone.
of course it's only my expectation, but as you can see on these and many other forums, blog et cetera, many people are unsatisfied with the current situation. and all these people's are customers and when customers are unsatisfied with a company and/or their products/support they may change the company in future. that is what really matters.
Vibrant is a great phone technically speaking, but the manufacture marketing tactic is really a major upset. Months after months, they keep on focusing new product and forget about the 10M mark SGS, they still don't care about making upgrade and kept on giving false hopes. Their KIES is really bloated. I have not bought any Samsung product due to bad reputation in the past. This trick they did will likely be the last. If I have to, it will be a Google phone of some sort where you at least get that upgrade OTA early like Nexus S.
Yes. Ny first samsung phone was an eternity and now im on the captivate. The eternity was a freaking tank and was so awesome! my first touch screen too. now that I have a droid, sure I want 2.2-2.3, but we have devs for that. And my phone would be faster without samsung anyways...oc to 1.4 and ext4 lagfix. Sammy wont do any of that, plus have amazing themes too.
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I know XDA is great for us for personal use. Without XDA, my Vibrant would just be on ebay skidrow.
However, if you are in charge of deploying to 20+ phones for corporate plan, I don't think you can flash ROM and voiding warranty at the same time. CEO would be pissed if he finds out you would do that for the entire company. Users are complaining that its slow and making you look bad for months.
I don't get it...Samsung already sold 10M+, if they are smart, they need to get those users happy, to get more customer comeback in the future instead of held hostage attitude.
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For sure yes. Sure- Samsung has their issues with sucky UI and programming, but the devs over here at XDA definitely more than compensate for that. And the hardware aspects of this phone constantly impress me.
Oxirane said:
For sure yes. Sure- Samsung has their issues with sucky UI and programming, but the devs over here at XDA definitely more than compensate for that. And the hardware aspects of this phone constantly impress me.
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I agree that they have great hardware for the moment, but it won't be long until other manufactures catch up. The hostage tactic is really unacceptable. Dual Core and 4G is coming up from other vendors. Samsung hostage tactic won't work anymore. People will have more choices now that Android is becoming mainstream by the next 2 years. There are HTC, Sony-Erricson, BB, Dell...
This poll seems to suggest that there are at least 60% attrition rate. I hope Samsung or T-Mobile is watching this and make up for it somehow later if they want the initial 6 Millions Samsung Galaxy S to return. Yes, we do feel really left out, lied, and scammed. If they surprise us with something out of ordinary then maybe people will forget, otherwise 2 year of upset is a definite no return. For now, I'll just accept the scam for 2 years, I'll wait for other vendor multi core later other than Samsung.
Almost 50 voters and the percentages still looking roughly the same.
This is just endemic of Android fragmentation. Google does not mandate a strict update schedule, and they really give the carriers and OEMs a little too much freedom.
Personally I believe that Google should push the OEMs and carriers to making sure the software is up to date.
I'm not going to unilaterally say I would never buy a Samsung device again, because my Vibrant has a great many advantages. I've finally gotten a Froyo ROM working satisfactorily, so I'm actually content with my phone for the first time in a long time! I love the 4" screen size--it's the sweet spot for me. The MT4G felt just a tiny bit small, but 4.3" devices such as the EVO are just too large for me.
One thing that does bother me is that the haptic feedback on the Vibrant feels really weak compared to the MT4G and other similar phones...
most of you who say no, will get another one by samsung, it all depends.
i would've gotten a HTC (forgot) from TMOBILE, but at tmobile, the only good phone they had while i was buying was a Galaxy s which i heard was the fastest phone in the world... and i got this, im dissapointed with samsung, but i can live without a GPS and updates(updates, but not for like 5 years)
i will buy another samsung phone if its one of the best out, my stock had no lag, and putting voodoo makes it feel a bit faster, but doesn't change much for me.
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This is just endemic of Android fragmentation. Google does not mandate a strict update schedule, and they really give the carriers and OEMs a little too much freedom.
Personally I believe that Google should push the OEMs and carriers to making sure the software is up to date.
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I agree with you. I think Google originally made it open and easy to recruit more OEMs to distribute their product out to the world. In doing so would surpass mobile 7 and catchup to iOS faster. Now that the world is aware of it, I think they should push OEMs to keep up to date, or else people will steer away from it and causes it to lose momentum. Google is like Microsoft. Before jumping in to Android, I thought it has the best of everything. I had good thoughts about Samsung, until I saw the truth. This whole handling of update makes me think twice about buying any other Samsung product. The hardware is great but this update issue just ruins its good image and will make others think twice about buying any other Samsung product.
I still have hope for Google tighten up security later as more hackers will now focuses in on it. If they don't push OEMs to keep up to date, it makes me wonder what happens when there is some real bad exploit that needs patching? We can't even get an update in 1/2 a year, so how can we even rely on have a patch/hotfix? I can't rely on product that has problem with udpates. I thought Microsoft was worse, but hey at least they have updates every Tuesday. Android will be linked to Google "first OS" so they have to do something to gain the positive image. Android is linux, so it should not be that hard to compile. There are plenty of folks in linux community to help out with debugging.
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most of you who say no, will get another one by samsung, it all depends.
i would've gotten a HTC (forgot) from TMOBILE, but at tmobile, the only good phone they had while i was buying was a Galaxy s which i heard was the fastest phone in the world... and i got this, im dissapointed with samsung, but i can live without a GPS and updates(updates, but not for like 5 years)
i will buy another samsung phone if its one of the best out, my stock had no lag, and putting voodoo makes it feel a bit faster, but doesn't change much for me.
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Not everyone. I know for sure, I and maybe 3 millions others will avoid Samsung like a plague. I rather go with someone who has robust update handling. I have been trying a new phone every 2 years. Last year was HTC. This is the first time I tried Samsung and will be the last. SLCD is out competing with superamoled. I'm pretty sure new technology will be out within next 2 years rival superamol. I'm pretty sure other manufactures can gain up to it.
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XDA is really great for us, especially my personal phone. I thank them for being our savior to heartburn Samsung / OEMs caused us. The problem is we can not do the same for business phones. Doing so voids warranty and no boss likes you doing that for the company. If you are the IT administrator who recommend SGS for the entire company as a great phone with over 20+ accounts (corporate discount) and now most complained it being crawling slow. You read the Tmobile facebook, news, and told them update will be out. Months after months, nada. CEO is on your arse for recommending bad phone. Now it makes you look bad because the phones you recommended does not have update after 1/2 a year and no ETA when next one available. Tell me what would you do? If I have to take a poll of the folks at work, they would probably say 90% never to Samsung. I hated boring windows Mobile, but this is worse.
I was going to buy Samsung camera in December, glad, I didn't yet.
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Not everyone. I know for sure, I and maybe 3 millions others will avoid Samsung like a plague. I rather go with someone who has robust update handling. I have been trying a new phone every 2 years. Last year was HTC. This is the first time I tried Samsung and will be the last. SLCD is out competing with superamoled. I'm pretty sure new technology will be out within next 2 years rival superamol. I'm pretty sure other manufactures can gain up to it.
Apple
AudioVox
HTC
i-mate
Kyocera
LG
Motorola
Nokia
Palm
Blackberry
Sanyo
Sharp
Sony Ericsson
Pantech
PCD
XDA is really great for us, especially my personal phone. I thank them for being our savior to heartburn Samsung / OEMs caused us. The problem is we can not do the same for business phones. Doing so voids warranty and no boss likes you doing that for the company. If you are the IT administrator who recommend SGS for the entire company as a great phone with over 20+ accounts (corporate discount) and now most complained it being crawling slow. You read the Tmobile facebook, news, and told them update will be out. Months after months, nada. CEO is on your arse for recommending bad phone. Now it makes you look bad because the phones you recommended does not have update after 1/2 a year and no ETA when next one available. Tell me what would you do? If I have to take a poll of the folks at work, they would probably say 90% never to Samsung. I hated boring windows Mobile, but this is worse.
I was going to buy Samsung camera in December, glad, I didn't yet.
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Did that actually happento u? I'm sorry.
I disagree with this phone being laggy, only some units are laggy, and I totally understand what ur saying, I come from a average consumer, while you, are a businessman, which puts alot of things in a different prescriptive.
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Did that actually happento u? I'm sorry.
I disagree with this phone being laggy, only some units are laggy, and I totally understand what ur saying, I come from a average consumer, while you, are a businessman, which puts alot of things in a different prescriptive.
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Yes. Thanks but no need to sorry. It's Samsungs mess.
I've checked about 8 phones, they were slow on bootup about (4-5 min) and slow to response after pressing home, lots of FCs, and autoreboot on few of them. I told them to don't install anything else but leave it as originals...I factory reset most of them but some users don't really listen like executive folks. What's the point of smartphone if I don't let them install some apps. I don't want them to get angry. After many months of waiting, I decided to look for alternative fixes and that lead me to XDA. I tested on my personal SGS and it works beautifully with very low lag. I even do a little further stress test installing over 250 apps to see how it respond in Froyo, it still works great. Because of that, I know Froyo will fix my problem and users will stop complain about slow phones and other issues. The Froyo are here, I know it can solve most issues, but I can't apply it. It's just frustrating waiting for OTA to happen. I can't rely on Samsung. I regret recommending a Samsung product. I should have trust my instinct and gone with more mature product like *gag* iPhone or tell them to wait a little longer. Samsung mademe look bad with so many delay to release updates. I have to keep finding excuses to the users and smile. Having gone through this one, if they ever ask me for another recommendation, I would certainly not go this route again but rather something that is made for enterprise.
Almost 70 voters, and the sentiment of the people is clear and distribution still holding.
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most of you who say no, will get another one by samsung, it all depends.
i would've gotten a HTC (forgot) from TMOBILE, but at tmobile, the only good phone they had while i was buying was a Galaxy s which i heard was the fastest phone in the world... and i got this, im dissapointed with samsung, but i can live without a GPS and updates(updates, but not for like 5 years)
i will buy another samsung phone if its one of the best out, my stock had no lag, and putting voodoo makes it feel a bit faster, but doesn't change much for me.
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Stock definately has lag. I plan on purchasing the Vibrant 4G when it comes out. Samsung makes good products. The phone is sleek and sexy. It is my favorite looking smart phone out there.
Nope. By the timei need to upgrade, samsung will still be releasing galaxy s phones. I'm tired of the rehashes and releases with only a mrginal improvement, or worse, a hardware flaw from the previousmodel that they fixed with the part 2.
Such as the vibrant not having hspa+ or froyo...but the vibrant 4g has both.
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Nope. By the timei need to upgrade, samsung will still be releasing galaxy s phones. I'm tired of the rehashes and releases with only a mrginal improvement, or worse, a hardware flaw from the previousmodel that they fixed with the part 2.
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According to the leak info, a fix is consider a "feature upgrade" and US carriers need to pay for it.
Such as the vibrant not having hspa+ or froyo...but the vibrant 4g has both.
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That's a "feature upgrade" too I guess. They are milking us every step of their phases.
I just saw the news said Samsung Nexus S will have autofocus...that's a new feature upgrade. Yeap everything is a feature upgrade and it comes in the form of a new phone...I guess that is their business model.
yes, if Team Whiskey supports it
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yes, if Team Whiskey supports it
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I hope you did not think they generate new software from scratch so you can load up and make it work better. Or reverse engineering to recompile into a ROM from scratch. If so, you are in for a shock. You do know that Samsung is part of OpenHandsetAlliance right? And supposed to be "open" even with apache license. Otherwise they just a corporate leach and have just fooled people to buying their product for thinking they'd be open by being member of the alliance.
This poll suggest at least 60% are unhappy with Samsung, 2 years from now, the tune might be different about Samsung product. 60% of 10M is alot. Even 10% of that is still alot. I see at least 2 Millions not coming back. Android will be everywhere. Samsung will not be the only phone maker having Android in there 2.2 or 2.3..whatever. We won't be tied down to just haveing Samsung to choose anymore by next 2 years. Without much interest in it, there won't be that many developers to make ROM for you.
The lesson I get from this is I might not buy another OEM again and steer away from Samsung. I rather buy Google phone like Nexus 1 or S so I can get update on time. I heard others said Samsung product break down fast and support was terrible since the 80s. I should have listen to them.
Is the GTAB dead (or more so the Android)? The development of new ROM's have slowed and the long wait for video drivers and the release of more code so we can run HoneyComb one has to wonder. The very thing that makes Android product so great begs the question to be asked. It makes one wonder why a supposed open source code appears to be the held from it's users. The day of Android may have peaked too early with the stagnation of it's OS and failed promises. I have never been an Apple fan, but they do work and well. It has made me wonder if it is time for a change.
I don't think its Google withholding the source. It is the manufacturer of the product/device that dictates how long their product/device will be supported. Viewsonic would need to work on getting it working or ported to the G-Tablet and release the drivers etc needed to for devs here to work or create custom roms. So far the only way to do it is to build it from scratch.
I don't know much about development, so I apologize if I am incorrect as to the process steps. Don't give in to Apple though. All of their stuff is overpriced crap that gets replaced the next year or less than a year later, then they expect you to pay for the newer product to get their newer features. They haven't even released a 4G device or try to rework with Adobe for flash support. If you look at Android devices, popular manufacturers try to emphasize on releasing hardware that is ahead of its time, they won't make your device obsolete by the end of the year.
Afaik development is still going. This thread keeps updates with the status on having a properly working honeycomb kernel. last updated a few days ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1231577
And the Flashback team has Froyo, Gingerbread and Honeycomb roms that they update regularly, Caulkin/Clemsyn updated their rom to v7, and there is Cyanogenmod for GTab, so no, not dead.
I am running Flashback 9 (released last night), while eagerly awaiting the GTab Kerneldev team to finish their port of the 2.6.36 kernel so native Honeycomb 3.2 should run.
Plus if Google holds true to their words, Ice Cream Sandwich source should be released about a month after the Galaxy Nexus, and I imagine Cyanogenmod will shift to that.
There's a heck of a lot more going on for the GTab than for the stupid HP Touchpad I bought for $149 (I got 32mb version), although Cyanogen team says it'll be out for Touchpad in a few weeks...
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Is the GTAB dead (or more so the Android)? The development of new ROM's have slowed and the long wait for video drivers and the release of more code so we can run HoneyComb one has to wonder. The very thing that makes Android product so great begs the question to be asked. It makes one wonder why a supposed open source code appears to be the held from it's users. The day of Android may have peaked too early with the stagnation of it's OS and failed promises. I have never been an Apple fan, but they do work and well. It has made me wonder if it is time for a change.
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Excuse me for asking, but what in the world is a person doing on the XDA developers forum talking about development being stalled? And, to make it even worse, why would you go in the direction of the most locked up system in history?
If you are unhappy with the speed of development, then get going and do it! And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Excuse me for asking, but what in the world is a person doing on the XDA developers forum talking about development being stalled? And, to make it even worse, why would you go in the direction of the most locked up system in history?
If you are unhappy with the speed of development, then get going and do it! And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Dude chill out, it was just a question. This is a forum is it not? Open for discussion. I appreciate all that the DEV's are doing.
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And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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Rofl, no RIP to Mr Jobs?
As far as I know Honeycomb source was not released by Google because they knew it was not ready (unstable). I read that statement somwhere. That's the reason we now have ICS (well, almost have)
Cheers!
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Just when I think the same, a slew of new roms/updates emerge. Of course as new tabs are released, work on the old ones start to diminish.
I just loaded the lastest beasty rom and it's great. Tried several HC roms and like the layout, but too many issues to date.
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And, if you want the simplicity of a toaster and only want to make toast, then, by all means buy an apple product.
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It's fanboy answers like that, which do nothing for the Android argument.
Let's not be ignorant here, Apple makes great products and their software/development is tight.
But anyway, let's stay on topic. Like everyone else said, the G Tablet is far from dead. I just started using C+C this weekend and its amazingly fast! It has breathed new life into my G Tablet , especially with Skype working.
Check this article out: LINK this is exactly what I was trying to talk about... it's not necessarily my option, but the way a lot of people are feeling.
That's the way a pseudo tech journalist who is a closet Apple fan feels about a buzzword using data that's out of date.
Here's a counter.
http://www.androidcentral.com/dear-molly-rants-lets-talk-about-android-fragmentation
I'm in a bad mood, it looks like there won't be an official Gingerbread update for my P509. I'm now reconsidering Android in general. Read my rant here if you're interested:
Android Product Life Cycle, it's potential downfall?
Anyway, so what do you think based on specs and features, is Apple in good hands without Steve Jobs? I say yes.
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2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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Feeshie said:
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
Turducken said:
LG forum mods don't believe it will be released for the Optimus T .
T-Mobile has made no promises.
The Optimus S release was so f**ked up that they pulled it on Sept. 28th
It's a mess and it ain't gonna happen.
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LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
Feeshie said:
LG promised all phones will receive a minimum of 1 version upgrade. Whether you will believe that or not idk. I'm running happy with mik's CM7 and I would never go back to stock. You should give it a shot. Stock Rom will not match the performance of this.
EDIT: I headed over to the Optimus S section on another forum and it seems ok. Some quirks and bugs, but seems usable.
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As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
Turducken said:
As of Sept 8th US T-Mobile had not yet contacted LG to begin the process. I've done a fair bit of digging on this. I hope I'm wrong but I didn't just pull this out of my arse. It's all over the LG and US Tmo forums.
With regards to the Optimus S they wouldn't have pulled it if there weren't some serious issues.
I'm running CM7 and happy with it but I don't recall seeing a disclaimer saying "update it yourself"
P.S. The 3GS released in June of 2009 and was just updated to iOS 5, now that's service
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that they know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Updates for Android are slow and it's pretty obvious. Comparing android updates to Apple is not the right thing. Apple just has to look after a few devices. Iphone 3/GS/4/4S. While there are hundreds of android devices. Even though devices are split between manufacturers like Samsung/HTC/LG they still have 10-30 devices to look after and high end devices will always be their top priority. It's a bummer, but we will just have to deal with it until Google comes up with something and they have taken this into account. They have said publicly that know this is a major problem with Android and they are looking for ways to fix this. Lucky almost all high end phones have great developer support so we don't have to wait for the manufacturer.
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Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
Turducken said:
Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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It's a wise decision to invest into a higher end phone. Don't expect to get the same treatment when you got a lower end device because sadly things don't work that way. Phones like the Optimus/Galaxy Ace/Mini/Gio are pretty much not even budget phones anymore. They are at the bottom of the bottom. The mid-range phones now are the low end phones now. Things are shifting and it would be a waste of time for them to get in the trouble of working on a phone that is obsolete.
Feeshie said:
2.3 is out for the Sprint version. It's ready but its t-mobiles decision when to release it. Gingerbread has been out for the international Optimus as well. For us t-mobile users we should just root and install mik's cm7 or any Rom u like. It was painless for me.
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I've install different roms, on my Optimus T and i have the same issues with all of them, the MMS come to small and i refuse to use the GO sms app so i'm stuck on stock! was really hopping on the Gingerbread version!
Turducken said:
Google claiming ignorance as their defense, that's rich.
High end phones get great treatment, somebody file a lawsuit, please! Google will continue to drag their feet until they're forced to change. That's just how business works these days.
Anyway, here's to hoping............
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Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
terratrix said:
Anyway, why bother waiting for LG stock ****, LG gingerbread really crap on Optimus One, with so many bugs.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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I agree my point exactly. Where's the QC? Google cashed in by not holding it's partners responsible. They had the power to do it right, and CHOSE not to. This isn't an accident.
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for. TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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You don't have to buy LG if your not satisfied with their products and their quality. In the end, if you buy a low end phone you get what you paid for.
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You clearly didn't read the link in my first post did you? It's an OS and updates include security patches. These are necessary not optional! IMO my 2 year contract has been breached by TMO LG or Google (let the lawyers figure it out)
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TBH This phone without the great developers we have would be a POS.
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Amen but it's not just this phone it's ALOT of them.
no, thanks
Turducken said:
Us XDA members will work it out but the other 90% of users are staring at a ****ty phone, saying "I think I'll by an iPhone next time". I've heard way too many times from noob friends of mine. In fact, I don't even recommend Android to friends anymore.
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You're making me laugh.
Let me see, you're comparing Android on a $200 max phone with an iPhone? A low-end phone will never provide the real Android experience.
I was looking at my O1 and I said "I think I'll buy a better droid next time, this one is just offering me a small taste of what Android can do". So I did; I bought a better, dual-core, 4.3" phone. Trust me, daily use of Android on a premium phone can't be compared to daily use on a cheap one.
So don't compare your O1 to an iPhone. Try and compare a GS2, Arc S, Sensation, Droid Bionic, Nexus etc to an iPhone and then see if the iPhone's really worth it.
might get it
or stick to android
off course buy high end android phone
such like not sgs 2, sensation / sensation xe / evo 3d and other
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I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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orsonbear said:
22VIN...
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I don't understand people comparing a $200- old phone to a $700+ fresh-tech phone...
From my point of view iPhone and all other closed phones may rests on the shelves forever, coz are too performance/price unbalanced.
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Hardware and Software are different.
What's so hard to understand about wanting a well defined Product LifeCycle?
Buy a $300 Windows Home Laptop and buy a $2000 Windows Professional despktop. The SOFTWARE Product Lifecycle is the same.
No wonder Google is dragging it's feet with regards to this fragmentation. It's customers have been brainwashed. I thought Android users were supposed to be the smart ones... do yourselves a favor and THINK.
P.S. a iPhone 4S is $99 with contract in the US.
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I went down to the Apple Store this morning and played with one... It's pretty nice. I'm not getting one, I'm just pissed at Google (we all should be).
Some people speculate samsung will be leaving android. Would htc develop its own software also?http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57455054-94/would-samsung-ever-leave-android-new-ceo-drops-hints/
If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
I am sticking with samsung. My galaxy s and galaxy s ii were simply too damn good. Even more when tizen os is android compatible
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If samsung does leave as the article speculates, i would guess google would then buy htc. It would probably allow them to have a real hands on relationship with motorola and htc. We could benefit from that.
yousefak said:
If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
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Ditto, the application base would be nonexistent.
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Noiro said:
Ditto, the application base would be nonexistent.
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If you mean profits from apps, I'm not sure there are a lot from android, and if anyone was big enough to pull it off it would be samsung. Worlds largest cell phone maker I believe. I did see this article about amazon making a fair amount off of apps, so it can be done.http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-App-Revenue-Amazon-Shows-Google-How-to-Play
After reading the article i think this is speculation based off words taken out of context. If you remember when Sammy announced the SGS3 they were emphasizing the software and the overall experience rather than the hardware and the power. I'm willing to be that they will start making a stronger push with Bada, but too much money is being made from the millions of galaxy devices.
The reason why HTC is as popular of a company as they are now is because of Android. They certainly weren't going to go anywhere if they invested heavily in their Windows Mobile 6.5 line. And even if they put all their eggs into the Windows Phone 7 basket, it's still not going to get them anywhere. There are more Android phones in circulation than any other phone OS on the market, it would be stupid to leave Android.
It would be a huge mistake even on Samsung's part to develop their own OS and leave android. Samsung just has to decide if they're powerful enough to accomplish it (and hey if anyone can it's probably them). Android already has many loyal users and a huge developer base, only way a new OS would be successful is to accomplish this same thing and that would not be an easy task. I don't really believe Samsung will abandon Android, maybe experiment with but that's it. I don't think HTC will either.
What the effect be on android\google if samsung did leave? It would leave them only with motorola and htc as major players correct? People always talk about fragmentation, maybe that would help solve that problem. If htc then sold a ton more phones we could then maybe end up with a better product and lets be honest htc's future is a little bit cloudy at best. (forgot about lg, do they count?)
leave android for what microsoft? LOL. Android is the only competition for Apple.. microsoft is a joke..
snoopdog said:
leave android for what microsoft? LOL. Android is the only competition for Apple.. microsoft is a joke..
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If you are speaking of samsung, it would be to create their own OS\interface. The article was quite interesting. They are big enough and have enough money to do it, but would it be accepted is the question. I don't know if htc would have the money to do that.
htc is in dire straits financially, they already sacked their CFO, tried changing their business tactics a few times and got worse and worse results so they could get desperate enough to do something really drastic.
the problem is, what? making their own OS and forcing the market to adopt it is WAY out of their reach, they could have got on board of microsoft boat with nokia but now that microsoft is building their own hardware it has become a really, really bad move (Zune, anyone?), maybe there's sony with a viable alternative but dont look like a really profitable option.
btw, Samsung ditching Android? what? the only group that is actually making money - a lot of money - without any investment? that's just crazy.
CNET is dumb as hell. Where would HTC,Samsung,and Motorola be without android right now? Samsung has never been as profitable without the galaxy s series and the evo 4g gave HTC a huge amount of brand awareness. They have nowhere else to go and I think they are ok with that. Android is a rock solid and profitable platform.
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CNET is dumb as hell. Where would HTC,Samsung,and Motorola be without android right now? Samsung has never been as profitable without the galaxy s series and the evo 4g gave HTC a huge amount of brand awareness. They have nowhere else to go and I think they are ok with that. Android is a rock solid and profitable platform.
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But where does the profit come from? If it from apps it doesn't appear android is actually doing all that well, in fact amazon is doing a better job at it according to this article..http://blog.flurry.com/bid/83604/For-Generating-App-Revenue-Amazon-Shows-Google-How-to-Play. If samsung leaves thats a huge chunk of phones developers wont have to make money from. Android will be hurting if the developers leave also.
Samsung won't leave Android. This whole article is a huge speculation at an attempt at getting views. For one, the WSJ article it links to says a stronger look at proprietary software for smartphones, not operating system. That can be anything from touchwiz to apps for controlling their SmartTV's. The author jumps to the conclusion of a Samsung OS.
Think about it logically. Remember why Google actually bought Motorola. And look at the Author's intent.... Which is obviously to get hits.
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If one of them tried leaving Android, they would soon realize the mistake with their lost profits.
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Yeah, just like Nokia......They made a big mistake because they decided to follow windows. Nokia just launched a new winphone (lumia 900) with win7 os but yesterday microsoft launched win8 os and announced that any winphone with win7 os are unable to upgrade to win8. So I dont think Nokia will get through their bad time.
Windows 8 is terrible I don't see anybody going from android to windows.. I think people would rather jump the dark side