Hi all,
I am currently using a prophet upgraded from Magician. Just wondered if it really worth upgrading to TyTN. I know that it has a faster processor and a slide out keyboard with the expense of some compromise on the size. To me size is a big factor. And I love my Prophet especially the design. But I would definitely like a faster processor. I dont think I would worry too much about the slide out keyboard. For people who already using TyTN, is it really faster than Prophet apart from the numbers? Is it really worth upgrading?
If you don't want a keyboard wait for the HTC Trinity, meant to be out towards the end of the year
Hmm, it is good one. I wont mind a keyboard as long as it doesnt add to the size. I dont mind a keyboard on my prophet 8)
I would and I did!!
jugulator said:
Hmm, it is good one. I wont mind a keyboard as long as it doesnt add to the size. I dont mind a keyboard on my prophet 8)
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Hi. I too have the prophet but went for the upgrade to the T-mobile variant of the Hermes/TyTN. I don't rgret it at all, but unless, like me, you prefer a keboard, superior camera interface and options and HSDPA (fast Internet at home or over UTMS-3G) and Video calling capabilities, you don't really need it. The 400Mhz CPU is powerful,but unless you intent to heavily multitask or use skype, you won't see any difference in speed if you're running your prophet overclocked at 240MHz! Just my 2 pence worth.
I still have the Prophet (my daughter is using it), but I wouldn't change back to it. :wink:
Thanks for ur reply. For me size does matter. I dont understand why they cant incorporate a keyboard and still make it smaller. I like the tytn, with the jog wheel, keyboard and good processor. But it does look like a brick.
Hello everyone,
I was wondering if there is a way to upgrade certain parts of the phone, i.e. processor, camera, audio card, etc. I view my phone alot like a pc, and i built my own pc...so i thought to myself. Is there a way to build an android phone? or maybe upgrade existing parts? I think it would be awesome if we were able to pick and choose what we want in our phones! Personally id like a faster processor, and more internal memory. But i feel it'd be beneficial to all people who only use their phones to do certain things and may not want other "Stock" accesories. Maybe not, Let me know what you think/know about this! Id be interested in building my own android device!
Thanks!
Pascal Borner
Sorry but this would be really unrealistic. The battery is one thing, but phones are so compact and dense that parts aren't really made to take out and put in. I know what you mean, I build computers for a living.
But the parts in phones aren't socketed or use slots, so even just to start would require major unsoldering. I briefly tried to find out how many pins the ARM v6 processor of the Eris has. I'm sure it's a lot, perhaps not as many as the 940-pin AMD AM3 or the 1366-pin Intel Core i7, but it's probably in the hundreds.
And then we're dealing with compatibilities. In desktop processors, they keep the same pin architecture for at least a couple years (but you can find the same architecture for at least five). But they probably don't worry about that with phone processors since they're even more dense than laptops so each and every phone has to be made from scratch, so, for instance, the ARM v7 probably wouldn't fit where an ARM v6 was. There's also the software compatibility. I don't know if they make ARM v6's of different processor frequencies, but I doubt it. Even if they did, you'd still have to deal with the many, many pins.
It's doubtful that they have unused spots for RAM in these phones, and it's doubtful you could just remove the existing RAM and replace it with larger without having problems, but even if so, you're still dealing with all of the pins, procuring compatible RAM of a larger logical size...
You get the idea. I guess I'm just a big ray of sunshine!
The FCC probably would object to roll-your-own cell phones, too...
Thanks for your helpful info. I guess that makes sense. I saw a website (from a European country) that you can order a phone and pick parts from them, I.e. size of internal/external drive, different MP for the camera, flash/no flash(camera) , etc. I forget the company but if you like ill post a link to it when I find it. Once again, thanks for the explaination!
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Sure, no problem. Back a while (maybe years now) there was a similar offering by some company for laptops where you could upgrade parts of it at a later time because it was more modular than most laptops at the time. You could almost always upgrade CPUs on laptops as long as they were socketed, and you still can now, it just requires downloading a service manual to find out what the best order of disassembly is in order to do so, so it's not for the everyday user.
But only laptops with discrete video cards have the possibility to upgrade them, although I have no experience with these kind of laptops so I don't know how easy that is.
but...
So i was checking out stuff on replacing screen etc on an samsung s3, and i also found a section where it shows how to replace camera and motherboard, this is to replace with the exact same one obviously. But i was wondering if maybe you could find a similar camera from a different phone that may fit? I know i cant really answer the question...sorry but just adding input. And another question came to mind with regard to the upgrading of hard ware, is if it were possible lets say to upgrade the camera to a better megapixel, would there be a conflict with the os etc, ie in the coding for the phone is it configured to only be able to process and capture a picture of megapixel of the stock camera. not sure if that makes any sense
this is the link with the replacements http://www.ifixit.com/Device/Samsung_Galaxy_S_III
OK, so i have an LG optimus one, and i can trade it for a TG01. Is it worth it? Going from android to WM, and from capacitive to resistive?
But TG01 has 1gb procesor, and a 4.1 inch screen vs the 3.2 screen on the LG.
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OK, so i have an LG optimus one, and i can trade it for a TG01. Is it worth it? Going from android to WM, and from capacitive to resistive?
But TG01 has 1gb procesor, and a 4.1 inch screen vs the 3.2 screen on the LG.
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Ouch!
What a question mate!
a) 1gz processor - worth trading
b) 4.1 inch screen - worth trading
c) light weight - worth trading
d) sleeker design - worth trading
e) thinnest 1gz processor phone (I've known) - worth trading
f) multitasking - worth trading
g) toughness - I have dropped it at least 14 times (am counting yes!) not a single scratch or damage - worth trading
h) customization (oh yes!) - I will die if I can't customize and tweak my phone - worth trading
BUT
It's windows 6.5 or 6.5.5 (using one of the custom roms) - Windows 7 is out already. Are you ready to trade for an OS which might not be supported at all in few months? Windows 6.5 is already down sized to few pages on Microsoft website.
HOWEVER, XDA itself is a huge Microsoft replacement where you can keep TG01alive definitely, without Microsoft's support.
Android - not a complete OS according to me. It's still in development, but so is every other OS out there.
Resistive screen - I LOVE it - only reason being, I can possible take any object around me and get tapping on the screen, but with capacitive - you will kill it!
The list will keep going on and on and on ..especially when more users show their input. The main question is - Economically is it what you can afford? What will you use for phone for?
Have a look on the polls in my signature, you will see what 'we' use our TG01s for
i use my phone for talking, cheating on examns, games...internet...gps from time to time...but the only thing im afraid is that resistive screen,i tap with my fingers mostly ; and wm wich i never used before
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i use my phone for talking, cheating on examns, games...internet...gps from time to time...but the only thing im afraid is that resistive screen,i tap with my fingers mostly ; and wm wich i never used before
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its up too you. imho, i find the resustive screen alright, but sometimes when i switch from my Orange San Francisco, or ipod, i forget and have to tap my tg01 screen much harder!
My friend has a lg optimus. the screen sensitivity is alright. i wouldn't say it is the best capacitive screen, so if you switch to the TG01 there won't be too much noticable difference
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i use my phone for talking, cheating on examns, games...internet...gps from time to time...but the only thing im afraid is that resistive screen,i tap with my fingers mostly ; and wm wich i never used before
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lol @ cheating on exams. The TG01s snapdragon should help in that for internet purposes. I have tried both resistive and capacitive and even though i own a TG01 (whose resistive screen isnt bad at all), i prefer capacitive screens. In the games dept. i would think that android has more support for it.
and a quick advantage list-
TG01-
-Snapdragon processor (1ghz vs 600mhz)
-4.1 inch screen (definitely the best from all the wm ive seen )
-WVGA(480x800) vs HVGA(320x480)
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-9.9mm thin (vs 13.3mm thin, but the optimus one is less wide and tall)
-True multitasking(while i believe android stops the app where you were, which is not as bad as it sounds)
Optimus One-
-double the RAM (512 vs 256)
-3.5mm jack built in (usually tg01 comes with adapter, but having a jack is just that much better)
-capactive screen (usually an advantage)
-a not dead OS thats (officially from GSMarena)2.3 upgradeable and seemingly more XDA support (from what i see we have a few ROM makers and android development is on hiatus atm)
-i would assume that this has better battery life (bigger battery 1500 vs 1000 mah, use the start menu mod for the tg01 if you want your phone to last half a day at least)
thats all i can think of right now. plus compared to android, imho windows mobile wont be as easy to get into right away as android, but its not too bad.
Big Rant here... we're almost at half time this year, and there is NO QWERTY PHONES in sight!!! What the f**?
I'm using the Sprint Epic 4G, which is what I would consider to be the 2nd best QWERTY phone (1GHz A8 CPU, PowerVR 540 @ 200MHz) even though it is 2 years old.
Only the Droid 3/4 beats it, and that is based on 2011 technology, and spec wise they are not much of an upgrade (Dual Core 1+GHz CPU, Power 540 @ 300 Mhz), with only the addition of another core, but the GPU is identical except for the clock speed.
And what's in store for 2012? I can't find any news QWERTY phones. I want to upgrade both CPU and GPU, so at least a Quad Core A8 or Dual Core A9, with a GPU on par at least with the Samsung GS2 Mali-400. The only news I've heard of is the Motorola Photon, but there has been nothing concrete since the initial rumours!
Yeah, it's a shame. I guess there isn't nearly as much demands these days for a qwerty phone, or the OEMs are just obsessed on super sizing the phone's screen now. I doubt the Photon will have a keyboard too.
It's not so much that there is not a demand. It's more of a general feel the corporate big wigs have from not being in touch. They're so into making the screens bigger, they're not actually taking certain things into account. Like that some people don't want something the size of a tablet, as a phone. Or just because the screen is larger doesn't mean we don't want a physical Keyboard. I for one am not a fan of the virtual KB. Fat Fingers, and a virtual KB. Not a good combination. Not to mention the virtual KB ets up a good portion of the screen anyway. If they keep this up, those that do have real keyboards won't be able to keep the damm things in stock. IMO it's split about 50/50 those that want a Virtual KB, and those that want a real KB. I would suggest to the manufacturers to give us the Physical KB, and find a way to keep the thickness of the device to a minimum. That would work better in their favor.
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It's not so much that there is not a demand. It's more of a general feel the corporate big wigs have from not being in touch. They're so into making the screens bigger, they're not actually taking certain things into account. Like that some people don't want something the size of a tablet, as a phone. Or just because the screen is larger doesn't mean we don't want a physical Keyboard. I for one am not a fan of the virtual KB. Fat Fingers, and a virtual KB. Not a good combination. Not to mention the virtual KB ets up a good portion of the screen anyway. If they keep this up, those that do have real keyboards won't be able to keep the damm things in stock. IMO it's split about 50/50 those that want a Virtual KB, and those that want a real KB. I would suggest to the manufacturers to give us the Physical KB, and find a way to keep the thickness of the device to a minimum. That would work better in their favor.
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Agreed, phone manufacturers these days just want to make the phone as slim as possible. Reviewers love it that a phone is 1mm slimmer than a competitor, rather than sacrificing that a bit in order to pack some actual functionality... A keyboard just doesn't have the same wow-factor than a big shiny phone, unfortunately.
The stupidity of the masses (especially the iSheep crowd) in my opinion is probably to blame. Touch screen only phones are functionally useless especially when you want to get any work done. Try manipulating a spreadsheet in landscape mode... almost the entire screen estate is eaten up by the virtual keyboard!
I say this from experience having gone from HTC Hermes (has KB) to Omnia 2 (no KB) and now Epic 4G (has KB). I've also learnt of HTC recent defection from keyboard phones... and this touch-only and slimness obsessiveness is getting out of control.
Some rumours says that there will be a Xperia phone with QWERTY keyboard this year...
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I for my self can say i use to love the keyboard but got so use to on screen keyboard that when i use a keyboard its so hard to adapt (at least for me) back to it like on my droid pro i find my self using the virtual keyboard instead of the fisical one
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Qwerty's don't sell nearly as well. In addition, manufacturers don't want to spend the additional $$ needed to produce a device variant that also has a keyboard. Not sure why they don't offer them and just charge more for them....probably once again they simply don't sell the numbers required to make the same profit as producing full touch screen phones.
Phones are getting bigger and most don't want a brick in their pocket. You are unfortunately the minority.
The people that are used to them should squash the habit and dive into virtual keyboards. The selection is much greater. Most keyboarded devices are sub par in comparison to modern day super phones. And things don't seem to be changing anytime soon. The Droid 4 has a beautiful keyboard. Probably the best on the market. But the device itself is horrible. Not sure which I hated more, the screen or blur. Probably a combination of both. It comes down to economics. When you add a keyboard, the hardware suffers. The manufacturers have budgets to keep within.
The people with sausage fingers, hopefully will at least have the option to get the biggest screen device on the market to help compensate.
Adapt or be unhappy with every device you buy.
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samsung india has released a qwerty phone last month. its a low/mid range phone. wid dual camera n dual sim . but its armv6 chipset
http://m.samsung.com/in/consumer/mobile-phone/mobile-phone/dual-sim-phone/GT-B5512HKAINU-features
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Probably because no one really shows interest in them. Android enjoys a good screen size, adding a keyboard hurts that a bit(IE: Evo 4G Slider or w/e it was).
It seems all of the new phones this year have super large screens and no keyboards. I already have a tablet, the point of a phone is to be portable, anything over about 4.3" seems like overkill. My Droid 3 may be a little thicker due to its keyboard but the other 2 dimensions I care more about when holding it. I held a friend's Droid RAZR and it felt a little too big for a phone and its only 4.3".
For just typing words, Swype can be faster than physical keyboards, but for typing symbols and having arrow keys a physical keyboard can be nicer.
Keyboards are slowly becoming a thing of the past..imo with phones coming
out with massive screens, manufacturers wont want to add to the bulk with a physical keyboard.
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Qwerty's don't sell nearly as well. In addition, manufacturers don't want to spend the additional $$ needed to produce a device variant that also has a keyboard. Not sure why they don't offer them and just charge more for them....probably once again they simply don't sell the numbers required to make the same profit as producing full touch screen phones.
Phones are getting bigger and most don't want a brick in their pocket. You are unfortunately the minority.
The people that are used to them should squash the habit and dive into virtual keyboards. The selection is much greater. Most keyboarded devices are sub par in comparison to modern day super phones. And things don't seem to be changing anytime soon. The Droid 4 has a beautiful keyboard. Probably the best on the market. But the device itself is horrible. Not sure which I hated more, the screen or blur. Probably a combination of both. It comes down to economics. When you add a keyboard, the hardware suffers. The manufacturers have budgets to keep within.
The people with sausage fingers, hopefully will at least have the option to get the biggest screen device on the market to help compensate.
Adapt or be unhappy with every device you buy.
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Wow really :what: "
Adapt or be unhappy with every device you buy " . " The people that are used to them should squash the habit and dive into virtual keyboards " . this the same kind of thinking that says everyone should own a Prius. because they're good for the enviroment. Reality is they're not. It takes forever to recoup the enviromental impact damage from producing one. Also it's called choice, I don't want a virtual KB. As for the statement " When you add a keyboard, the hardware suffers " . I'd say your off on that one. Example the EVO Shift. The manufacturers listen to the people. But if we're all lemmings, then we get what they give and smile.
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Probably because no one really shows interest in them. Android enjoys a good screen size, adding a keyboard hurts that a bit(IE: Evo 4G Slider or w/e it was).
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Adding the KB affects the size a bit. But that's more of a manufacturers choice than anything else. But it's still worth the trade off IMO to have the KB.
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I for one am not a fan of virtual keyboards. I may be naive but I think that the keyboard makes a phone look distasteful, but that's my biased opinion.
Nevertheless, lets be honest here. Virtual keyboards are no longer very popular and even the company that was most famous for its creation of Qwerty phones has moved into the path of full touch (Blackberry). That's not to say that there will NEVER be a Qwerty phone coming out (Black berry has confirmed that they will still continue designing new Qwerty phones) but it will most definitely not be flooding the market like other full touch screen phones are.
I have the xperia pro now, but already I'm looking to see what is coming next.
It really surprises me that there are now no QWERTY phones out this year, this is a worrying trend.
For those who say "use the on screen keyboard and shut up", trying using one with your eyes closed, not so easy to use now is it, no right then, that is why I need a physical keyboard, because on screen ones are too small and I can not see or feel what letters I am typing.
I do realise however that this is becoming rather a niche market, so I guess fewer and fewer suppliers will be releasing phones with this facility.
Its a shame Motorolla didn't release a GSM version of its Droid 4, a trick missed I feel.
Well at this rate, when my contract expires, it seems I'll be looking at a Blackberry or going back to a 'feature' phone, sad days
Well, physical keyboards add weight, volume, and cost to the phone. The slide-out function also introduces at least two more potential points of failure (the sliding mechanism itself, and the connecting data ribbon), which means more time and money has to be spent on QA.
I think the net result of all this is that for a keyboard phone to be technologically and structurally competitive, the price skews high, and it looks like there's just not enough relative demand for that feature. If manufacturers try to make a cutting edge, high-priced keyboard phone, they run the risk of having a whole bunch of product (with especially high manufacturing cost) that sits in the warehouse... cell phones don't age well, so that's a scary thought for them.
I'm afraid it's looking like keyboards (as they exist now) are being mitigated to the role of "smart phone training wheels", which means fewer and fewer high-end offerings down the road.
Just my (somewhat depressing) 2 cents.
leona said:
I have the xperia pro now, but already I'm looking to see what is coming next.
It really surprises me that there are now no QWERTY phones out this year, this is a worrying trend.
For those who say "use the on screen keyboard and shut up", trying using one with your eyes closed, not so easy to use now is it, no right then, that is why I need a physical keyboard, because on screen ones are too small and I can not see or feel what letters I am typing.
I do realise however that this is becoming rather a niche market, so I guess fewer and fewer suppliers will be releasing phones with this facility.
Its a shame Motorolla didn't release a GSM version of its Droid 4, a trick missed I feel.
Well at this rate, when my contract expires, it seems I'll be looking at a Blackberry or going back to a 'feature' phone, sad days
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Your telling me that the on screen keyboard is too small? Try a Galaxy Note, If your telling me you can not see what letters you are typing you seriously need an eye examination.
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It's not so much that there is not a demand. It's more of a general feel the corporate big wigs have from not being in touch. They're so into making the screens bigger, they're not actually taking certain things into account. Like that some people don't want something the size of a tablet, as a phone. Or just because the screen is larger doesn't mean we don't want a physical Keyboard. I for one am not a fan of the virtual KB. Fat Fingers, and a virtual KB. Not a good combination. Not to mention the virtual KB ets up a good portion of the screen anyway. If they keep this up, those that do have real keyboards won't be able to keep the damm things in stock. IMO it's split about 50/50 those that want a Virtual KB, and those that want a real KB. I would suggest to the manufacturers to give us the Physical KB, and find a way to keep the thickness of the device to a minimum. That would work better in their favor.
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If the world were split 50/50 over a hardware keyboard Apple wouldn't hold such a large market share, considering they offer zero phones with physical keyboards... just saying. Your estimate might just be really far off base...
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...trying using one with your eyes closed, not so easy to use now is it, no right then, that is why I need a physical keyboard, because on screen ones are too small and I can not see or feel what letters I am typing.
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Why would you close your eyes & type? Nevertheless, if you can't see the letters, go see an optician.
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