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Thank you Mskip for adding this new sub forum for the HD2, and for taking the time to move and sort out all the Q/A posts from the Themes and apps thread.
It will be OH SO NICE to see a clean themes forum.
Cheers
Wolfee
OMG! I posted this in the themes and apps forum fist by mistake.
erm confused why couldn't these just be moved to the general section seen as its full of crap anyway ?
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erm confused why couldn't these just be moved to the general section seen as its full of crap anyway ?
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I agree! Generally I don't fancy the Q&A sub forums. I think that a question should be posted in the same thread as the related subjects, or in a new thread in one of the sub forums that encompasses the subject.
If I have a question regarding a specific ROM, should i post it in Q&A or in the ROM thread?
If I have a question regarding, say a car holder, should the question go in the Q&A or the accessories sub forum?
What distinguishes General from Q&A?
I don't really see a purpose to this subforum as the questions asked pretty much can be categorized under the general subforum...
I was having a look through just now and i figured out what this board is for but it may require it be renamed. The board seems to be filled with questions already asked atleast 10 times (if not 100) before. So we could rename this board the "I can't be bothered to google anything unless it's porn. Please, please hurt and embarrass me" board and then we would have a place for the senior members to vent their frustrations at the people that cause them.
The only rule would be the OP's have no right of reply unless they really can show respect, willingness and gratitude. In fact i think all new members should be locked into only being able to post to this new board and only allowed to make one new post a day. Every attempt to post after that would present them with a search box and the words "Use this Dumbass"
Hmm seems i got a little carried away there but TBH it's a nice idea considering it started out as a joke and i rambled on it a little bit.
Hi All!
Do we need a sub forum for Linux / Android development for the HT2 now? The old thread in the HD2 ROM development sub forum is starting to become very cluttered. The amount of topics discussed in that single thread could definitely benefit from being split in many separate threads. I guess the information will be easier to find and the amount of "stupid" questions reduced.
I understand the need for cleaning up some of the sub forums here on XDA (that is actually the reason for this post), but I don't think moving thread out of their context is a good idea. The question asked in my post relates heavily to the ongoing development for the HD2, and will not get the right attention in the Q&A sub forum. People interested in (or having an opinion about) splitting Linux and WinMo ROM development does not frequently browse the Q&A forum.
This post is not of that type where I'm interested in getting a single clear and cut answer. The reason for posting the question is to hear peoples opinion, and maybe getting a discussion going regarding the subject. If I'm not totally wrong, discussion is what the other sub forums are for, right? If we are not allowed to ask questions in other forums than the Q&A, how are we suppose to be able to discuss and debate then?
Could any MOD pleas consider moving the thread back to a forum where the question would have a fair chance of getting some qualified feedback?
YES
paalkr said:
Hi All!
Do we need a sub forum for Linux / Android development for the HT2 now? The old thread in the HD2 ROM development sub forum is starting to become very cluttered. The amount of topics discussed in that single thread could definitely benefit from being split in many separate threads. I guess the information will be easier to find and the amount of "stupid" questions reduced.
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100% with you , it will lessen the clutter and make the project look even more serious !!!
I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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I agree. Once the wheels are in place and we have workable drivers, then creating a subforum would be ideal.
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I don't think they're far enough along to really need a whole subforum for it. Maybe once we get a halfway usable version of android in a couple months, but for now I think the one thread is enough. I mean, how many different threads could be made for it right now? All we have is a bootable android with no drivers so far, so there's not many different things or subjects that could be made into threads right now.
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Well, then we disagree
I think it should be locked so only the guys working on it can post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712586
Right now one thread is fine, but when things begin to get underway we will need another subforum for alternate OSes for the HD2.
Blacked Out said:
Right now one thread is fine, but when things begin to get underway we will need another subforum for alternate OSes for the HD2.
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NO WAY is it fine take a look in there now and look how many pages been posted asking the same crap in like 40 mins n00b retards
maybe something like this could work in the future:
---HTC HD2 Android
--------------------Information (locked forum)
--------------------Questions
--------------------APPS & tweaks
No use the wiki for the android project not more forums
answer:No, I'm fine with the single thread in HD2 ROM dev sub forum.
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i would be fine if it were a single thread, but it isn't, people are starting threads every few minutes 'why cant android run' 'how to install android' 'help, bluescreen' and on and on and on.
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i would be fine if it were a single thread, but it isn't, people are starting threads every few minutes 'why cant android run' 'how to install android' 'help, bluescreen' and on and on and on.
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i agree 100% , of the 2898 posts there are probably 800 posts " i get a black screen "
Its all about whats hot now
6 months ago alot of posts were when is android going to be working on Hd2?
a month ago nearly all the posts were new cookie clocks
now there all blue screen, once its fixed and more stable releases are brought out the posts about this will drop down and the next new thing will be flooding the boards. its all about whats hot at the moment and in the future android wont be the hot'st thing
For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.
This was done in the Cappy section because they had a minimum post restriction to keep the spoon feeding clutter down in the Dev section. Not sure if that restriction is also in this section. It was only like 10 post minimum though.
I tried to do this manually with Hellraiser, but it hasn't really taken off. To be honest, right now the I777 community isn't the epic cesspool that some other forums are. However over time this could change... But the kinds of users that clutter development threads are the kind who don't bother to go to Q&A threads - so does it really help anything?
we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
tough decision. Entropy has a point, those people wouldnt bother going to a Q&A thread...the Q&A threads should be a place where the users help each other out and raise issues. the dev threads should be there to report ACTUAL issues and request features. what happens is that one person has a problem with flashing the rom and they assume its the devs fault, and the rom is broken, and they report it as a bug....its a vicious cycle that will never end.
Well this forum is for you guys, so if you dont think its needed then I wont worry about it... just trying to help all the great devs out and make things easier if I can.
If you guys have any other suggestions or want to try something out, feel free to say.
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im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only
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im no developer but ive been around the forums and have come from a forum with less of a following. the problem is that the people who are asking the question's in the threads are 60-70% of the time dont read directions and will end up posting in the wrong forum anyways.... its a novel idea but i dont think it will take off, unless you lock the rom forum to devs and testers only
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That sort of defeats the purpose I think, and I also believe that most Devs here like to have people post in their threads.
Alright guys. Ill keep it the way it already is. If your threads seem to get clogged, or you want your own dedicated Q&A thread, let me know and Ill make the adjustment at that time. Thanks for all your feedback.
I would appreciate it, so far most of the users in this forum are above average when it comes to figuring things out own their own (searching). Only thing is I wish there was more ROM choices/themes.
I don't feel the need for a Q&A thread right now. I find it a bit tedious to follow two threads for my ROMs instead of one. Also, I don't really mind a few redundant questions here and there as long as it doesn't get out of hand, which it hasn't yet.
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we did this over in captivate forums, it worked well.
we did this over in inspire forums, it was met with serious backlash by lazy ass people, and ignorance to change.
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I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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trell959 said:
I wasn't a lazy ass or ignorant!!!!
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lol. feelin guilty are ya?
Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.
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Not a dev, but I do post quite often in both the dev and QA sections. I don't think there should be two threads. It seems it is more effective if there is only one thread dedicated to that rom/modem/kernel, with all bugs and support given out. Of course if you have a more complex issue, it should have it's own thread. But small issues with the rom or questions regarding how something works should be contained in the same thread as the development of the rom.
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i agree with this, but there tends to be an influx of people posting the same CRAP over and over and over and over in a dev thread. personally i dont give 2 flips about someone saying "THANKS!" or "CANT WAIT TO FLASH THIS!" or "WHEN IS THE NEXT UPDATE?!", i want to see CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms, requests, or logcats. having to filter through all the BS really makes it difficult to discern actual issues from fluff. there tends to be a lot of fluff that happens.
i see the dev threads as being specifically for requests/bug-tracking/break-fixes. the other stuff belongs in a thread where the users can praise, bicker, ask questions repeatedly (how do i flash this?). it should be peers helping out peers, and let the devs work on their stuff. but alas, we will never have utopian bliss....
we are lucky we havent seen much of that at all here in the GS2 forums, but man some of the other forums are riddled with noobery. lets just try to keep it clean and ask our members to mind the rules and understand whats going on.
Yeah... I think as long as things don't become like the Infuse forums where some of the ROM threads became utter nightmares we'll be fine. But let's keep it in our back pocket in case we need it. I may even discontinue my Hellraiser Q&A for the time being.
If there's anything we may need, it may potentially be to split the development forum like the I9100 forums were in order to differentiate ports of other developer's ROMs from actual development. It isn't too bad here yet, but the Infuse forums are chock full of integrated Hellraiser ports and it's difficult to find original development among all of the ports.
I think the definitions for "Original" vs "not original" in the I9100 forums seem to be a bit arbitrary, if we DO ever go that route here I think it needs to be clearer.
"Original" - You yourself have taken a stock ROM (may be stock for another device) and modified it from scratch on the I777. All kernel development can remain here in my opinion. Discussion of actual porting techniques used by the other section can be here.
"Not original" - Another dev creates a ROM for another device, and an I777 user ports it to the I777 via Hellraiser or another technique. e.g. Hellraiser-integrated ROMs and such.
We don't need this yet here but we may - and honestly the Infuse forums need it.
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For all the Devs in the ASGS2 forum, are you guys finding your rom/kernel threads being clogged up with a bunch of random questions/issues? How would you feel if I made you all each a Q&A thread dedicated to your work in the Q&A forum? Do you feel that would help you/your thread? Please let me know what you think or how you feel, and hit up the poll to cast your vote.
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I did this in the forums that PG mentioned. While yes it was a bit of a headache in the inspire forums ( they are getting used to it) and the captivate section went off without an issue I would say to go for it and if needed ill help where I can. I have to admite the 2 forums that I did this for once it was gotten by most needs less cleaning now for sure. Mainly when other users back you on it.
Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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Personally I think it would be really helpful if individual posts could be categorized and/or sorted within a thread. That way all posts relating to a specific rom/development topic could remain in the same thread, but you could then filter out the garbage, sort through the questions, and find posts that are truly relevant to the topic or project or whatever. It would still depend on the users to label posts properly, but I think we're all in agreement that there is no perfect solution to the issue.
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I'm not a Dev myself but I do feel two threads isn't an ideal solution... Most ignorant people who can't find an answer in five second's or just don't feel like even trying to search will always head to the source of their ROM issues. Now if the method 10tonhammer described seems like an okay idea as long as any average person takes the task upon themselves to tag their post properly. Either way I'm not exactly the prime example of good manners on XDA (Feel's Guilty)
I am learning at least <3
Lastly Thank you to all Dev's and Mod's who make this the most pleasant interaction between Developer and User possible.
Other threads are too cluttered. We know a lot of shipments yesterday were from 11/22-11/29 mostly if not all in grey. Please only post in this thread if you've gotten shipping confirmation between 11/29-12/04 and so on... Thanks.
Doesn't another thread about a topic that's already open clutter the forum in general? This should be discussed in the other Bestbuy pre-order thread, even if it's cluttered and off topic.
I say we close them all and start from scratch. And I am only half joking JD
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Doesn't another thread about a topic that's already open clutter the forum in general? This should be discussed in the other Bestbuy pre-order thread, even if it's cluttered and off topic.
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You just added clutter to this as I am doing now. Thanks.
Okay gonna hang here for awhile this thread looks like its going to be fun like this other one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1395781
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There is half a page of stickies in this forum. Stickies are great for pinning relivent / good to know / frequently accessed threads so they are easy to referance to, however when you have dozens (ya i know its only 10) of them it kind of defeats the purpose.
This does not mean the threads have useless information, nor does it mean they are not valuable to the community, its just my belief that the forum should have a clean look about it while still being easy to use / navigate the mess of information.
I have noticed other forums on XDA have a master sticky thread that LINKS to the important information that used to be stickied, that may be a viable option here.
Another option might be to condence some of the information? Operation Ironfist and the questions posted in general threads basically go along the same lines: Post stuff where it goes, or else. Why have two threads saying the same thing?
Is the "Updated to ICS and stuffs freezing on me" thread really relivant at this point? Most people have updated their primes by now, or are getting tablets with ICS already loaded on em. Does this need to be stickied?
The Do's and Donts of unlocked primes, shouldnt that go to the dev section since thats where the unlocked prime content is?
The unofficial by official asus thread... the first post hasnt been updated in a while, we basically all know the info thats in there, mostly people go there to ask questions that have been asked (and answered) a dozen times before.
The Serial number not found thread also seems a bit dated. There is a seach button for a reason.
Guides, Mods, and Helpful Posts...
THIS is where links to these threads SHOULD be, one index as it were of good threads people might need to referance to. A mod might add relevant info to this post and remove some stickies and, in my opinion, make the forum a better place.
Agreed? Or am i totally out of line? Discuss. (respectfully)
I read the title of your thread and then had a look and counted all the stickies.
Now I agree that maybe we have too many, but I am certainly not the man for the job when it comes to writing "THE CONDENSED MASTER THREAD"!
There are some of our fellow members here though that I believe are well up to the task.
+1 there are too many stickies imho. Also some of them like unknown serial update fail are somewhat outdated
Please sticky this thread.
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Please sticky this thread.
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Bah! You beat me to it!
>Guides, Mods, and Helpful Posts...
>THIS is where links to these threads SHOULD be
Thanks to OP for volunteering. Please PM mod when done.
I would have to agree. Seems like we could at least cut the number stickies in half.
I completely agree when half of the first page is stickies it makes stickies useless. I used to admin a forum back in the day when windows "longhorn" or vista beta was in the making. I made sure stickies got limited to 5 max but tried to keep it at 2 or 3. When I had a lot of info that needed to be archived I simply created another section and archived all the info from the stickies and made it no reply. Funny you should post this as this is the very first thing that comes to mind every single time I log on here....TOO MANY STICKIES!
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I was just mentioning this yesterday.
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