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Will Root, and when?
As of right now, I don't think anyone has done it. Us Aria users were able to use unrevoked--hopefully support for the Gratia will come soon.
Here is a previous thread--maybe you can work with them to get it rooted?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=872822
unshad said:
Will Root, and when?
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The current HBOOT on the newer HTC phones is the issue. Until another exploit is discovered, a permanent rooting solution is not yet available. The Unrevoked team made this tweet recently so maybe hope is on the horizon:
http://twitter.com/unrevoked/status/24492360310198272
So with Root silence...
Any news about rooting Gratia?
neskor777 said:
Any news about rooting Gratia?
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Second thread, second post, same answer. There is no documented method for rooting a Gratia that was shipped with Android 2.2.
Ok, thanx!
tpbklake said:
Second thread, second post, same answer. There is no documented method for rooting a Gratia that was shipped with Android 2.2.
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HTC today released Aria 2.2 source code..do you think is it possible to root HTC Gratia too?
Bay Harbor Butcher said:
HTC today released Aria 2.2 source code..do you think is it possible to root HTC Gratia too?
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The kernel source code is not the key to rooting a device. The bootloader is locked down and has closed a hole that was previously used to exploit and root the device. The source code that was released today does not include the bootloader code.
tpbklake said:
The kernel source code is not the key to rooting a device. The bootloader is locked down and has closed a hole that was previously used to exploit and root the device. The source code that was released today does not include the bootloader code.
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Ok..so I think root for Gratia will never arrive. Bootloader surely has another hole but we need someone who find it out.
Bay Harbor Butcher said:
Ok..so I think root for Gratia will never arrive. Bootloader surely has another hole but we need someone who find it out.
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There are several current HTC devices that have the same issue, not just the Gratia/Aria and there are several devs in the HTC community that are looking for a new exploit. Hopefully it will only be a matter of time...
Must sux to have stock froyo since last year and not be able to root. I just got my jap aria last month and barely keeping it together with out the root.
I'm interested in rooting my Gratia too
Permanent root is impossible now, but temporary root is possible via Visionary+ R14 (Tested)
jwfoo said:
Permanent root is impossible now, but temporary root is possible via Visionary+ R14 (Tested)
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Thanks for the confirmation. I also thought temp root should be possible and that will allow you to run most of the apps that need root access.
Temporary root really works? How many people tried it?
I'm really afraid of brick...
sorry for my english
tomskra said:
Temporary root really works? How many people tried it?
I'm really afraid of brick...
sorry for my english
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This is a very old thread. It's possible to software S-OFF the Gratia now, which includes the ability to permanently root.
Forgive me as I'm coming from HTC land but I just got my Prime yesterday after coming from a TF101 and updated to .21 without checking if the root methods work on it. I know there's no root method for stock .21 yet so does this mean I'm unable to flash CWM and unable to run any custom ROMs until then? I'm assuming without root I have no way of flashing another blob, correct?
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Jirv311 said:
Forgive me as I'm coming from HTC land but I just got my Prime yesterday after coming from a TF101 and updated to .21 without checking if the root methods work on it. I know there's no root method for stock .21 yet so does this mean I'm unable to flash CWM and unable to run any custom ROMs until then? I'm assuming without root I have no way of flashing another blob, correct?
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You have to unlock the bootloader first... actually, no you're screwed for the time being. You need CWM to flash a custom rom once you unlock your boot loader, but you need root first to install CWM, and so far there's no way to root .21 update. I guess you could unlock then attempt to revert to a earlier firmware version, then root, install CWM, and flash a custom rom. Once you unlock your boot loader you will not be able to receive OTA updates.... or just wait until a root process is discovered for the new updated, then root, unlock, etc.
See Dev forum all details.
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I don't think it's possible to downgrade at that point. You need root to flash a blob.
I really hope they come up with a way of rooting the .21 update.
Damn, that's exactly what I thought. Sonofa!
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Hopefully, we'll just be rootless for a while.
I love this tablet on stock, but I can't wait to start flashing.
EDIT: I hope this helps, this thread caught my attention. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574870
You are able to flash CWM.
It seems to be working fine.
overhauling said:
Hopefully, we'll just be rootless for a while.
I love this tablet on stock, but I can't wait to start flashing.
EDIT: I hope this helps, this thread caught my attention. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1574870
You are able to flash CWM.
It seems to be working fine.
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I might be a little confused. I can use that method to flash CWM but don't I need an unlocked bootloader to flash a ROM? But I need root to unlock the bootloader right?
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Jirv311 said:
Forgive me as I'm coming from HTC land but I just got my Prime yesterday after coming from a TF101 and updated to .21 without checking if the root methods work on it. I know there's no root method for stock .21 yet so does this mean I'm unable to flash CWM and unable to run any custom ROMs until then? I'm assuming without root I have no way of flashing another blob, correct?
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i'm in the same position as you and found a solution from another thread
if you want a stock based rom download virtuous prime its based off of .21, download it first
unlock
load clockwork mod
follow install instructions for virtuous
flash virtuous, since the rom is already rooted you will be rooted as well
this is what i did and i'm running superuser and all apps that require root.
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I might be a little confused. I can use that method to flash CWM but don't I need an unlocked bootloader to flash a ROM? But I need root to unlock the bootloader right?
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You do not need root to unlock the bootloader. All you need is the apk from ASUS.
Doktaphex said:
You do not need root to unlock the bootloader. All you need is the apk from ASUS.
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Ooooh, I was wrong then. Well hell, guess I know what I'm doing today.
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Quick question, and this may be a noob question, but is there a way to unlock the bootloader without using Asus' utility?
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Quick question, and this may be a noob question, but is there a way to unlock the bootloader without using Asus' utility?
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Short answer: No.
So before I go any further, I just want to make sure I've got everything clear in my head. I unlock, flash CWM, then flash ROM correct?
Edit: Nevermind about ViperMOD.
Edit 2: It's done. I unlocked, flashed CWM the fastboot method, and then booted straight into CWM to install VirtuousPrime.
I got a used Motorola Photon that has Android 2.3.5 (build 254_12) and it has an unlocked bootloader. After going through numerous posts in XDA I came to know that 2.3.5 doesn't support bootloader unlocking. I asked the guy I bought it from and he said that initially it had MoPho 2.3.4 - he unlocked it, upgraded it to CM10 JB rom and then downgraded it back to 2.3.5 (as JB was unstable). I confirmed my MoPho has an unlocked bootloader from here ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1650520 ). It's also rooted.
So I just wanted to know, are there any risks in installing a custom kernel/rom since my MoPho's OS ver is 2.3.5 ? Are there any internal conflicts that might occur since my OS version/build is different - one that doesn't allow unlocking of bootloader and root access?
No there aren't any major risks. Just make sure the kernel corresponds to the system you are using. For instance, if your using cm7 and want to overclock, make sure to use a kernel built for it.
Most ROMs are flashed with the kernel it needs to boot. Version 2.3.5 could be thought of as just another ROM. To flash something different, make a backup with your recovery then wipe and install the ROM of your choice.
Just be sure to us common sense and not to accept any ota update because it could lock your bootloader and brick your phone. Be sure to look at the stickies for a ton more information
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I got a used Motorola Photon that has Android 2.3.5 (build 254_12) and it has an unlocked bootloader. After going through numerous posts in XDA I came to know that 2.3.5 doesn't support bootloader unlocking. I asked the guy I bought it from and he said that initially it had MoPho 2.3.4 - he unlocked it, upgraded it to CM10 JB rom and then downgraded it back to 2.3.5 (as JB was unstable). I confirmed my MoPho has an unlocked bootloader from here ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1650520 ). It's also rooted.
So I just wanted to know, are there any risks in installing a custom kernel/rom since my MoPho's OS ver is 2.3.5 ? Are there any internal conflicts that might occur since my OS version/build is different - one that doesn't allow unlocking of bootloader and root access?
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do as you please no risks with anything really. only phones that took the 2.3.5 OTA update are locked. or new factory restored ones. the previous user put the 2.3.5 update on their in a safe manor that doesn't lock the phone. :silly:
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do as you please no risks with anything really. only phones that took the 2.3.5 OTA update are locked. or new factory restored ones. the previous user put the 2.3.5 update on their in a safe manor that doesn't lock the phone. :silly:
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I've the 254_12 build. And (I think, I'm not sure) the OTA update is probably the only way to update your system to 254_12.
What I'm not able to understand is how he could have downgraded from a CM10 JB rom to 2.3.5(254_12) without locking the bootloader. Is there anyway to do so?
All the root/unlock guides in XDA and other forums warn us, before proceeding to unlock, to ensure that our MoPho has 2.3.5 (198_7)or below to unlock/root. Shouldn't I be worried about it?
Here's a screenshot of my system specs.
No. You're unlocked. That's just your system build information. It will change when you flash a different ROM.
The ota update is the only way to update your stock and locked phone without any sort of modification. Since you're unlocked and rooted you shouldn't have an issue flashing a custom recovery and ROM
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I've the 254_12 build. And (I think, I'm not sure) the OTA update is probably the only way to update your system to 254_12.
What I'm not able to understand is how he could have downgraded from a CM10 JB rom to 2.3.5(254_12) without locking the bootloader. Is there anyway to do so?
All the root/unlock guides in XDA and other forums warn us, before proceeding to unlock, to ensure that our MoPho has 2.3.5 (198_7)or below to unlock/root. Shouldn't I be worried about it?
Here's a screenshot of my system specs.
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My friend, as I mentioned, the previous user had downgraded or "upgraded" the stock firmware in a SAFE manner that does NOT lock the bootloader. It's done the same way custom ROMs work. It just another ROM basically. Pretty simple. Don't take everything so literal in terms of 2.3.5 only OTA updated or factory restored phones are locked. Which you don't have
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na7q said:
My friend, as I mentioned, the previous user had downgraded or "upgraded" the stock firmware in a SAFE manner that does NOT lock the bootloader. It's done the same way custom ROMs work. It just another ROM basically. Pretty simple. Don't take everything so literal in terms of 2.3.5 only OTA updated or factory restored phones are locked. Which you don't have
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Thank you, it's clear to me now
mystaku said:
Thank you, it's clear to me now
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Great! I hope you have fun trying out ROMs!! It's always a blast!
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is there any way to root jelly bean without unlocking bootloader. i searched but nothing.
uruh said:
is there any way to root jelly bean without unlocking bootloader. i searched but nothing.
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Also interested in knowing this since If you unlock bootloader you can't undo it and your warranty is basically gone forever?
So even if it's now possible to unlock the bootloader it's still not a very customer friendly version like it is on most other android phones? Didn't HTC get a lot of grief for basically the same thing and it ended with them making it possible and if I don't remember wrongly here they even provided a tool themselves so you could do it "legally"? Had a Wildfire before but it's been a while so I can be remembering this wrong. Isn't android supposed to be open source, seems kind of wrong to then use hardware locks that prevent you from actually modifying the software. But I guess that's a completely other discussion.
i had a wildfire s too. i was able to re-lock bootloader it was great. now i unlocked the L9. thought that icould revert it back. and if something happens, no warranty great
uruh said:
is there any way to root jelly bean without unlocking bootloader. i searched but nothing.
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yes its possible.
but i see, you have BL unlocked already.
jacek02b said:
yes its possible.
but i see, you have BL unlocked already.
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not for me. i am searching for my friends on our forum in Turkey.
I think i found a way to root jb with locked bootloader and will be realeasing info later tonight
update: false alarm, sorry
Lelus said:
I think i found a way to root jb with locked bootloader and will be realeasing info later tonight
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awesome, waiting for it.
Lelus said:
I think i found a way to root jb with locked bootloader and will be realeasing info later tonight
update: false alarm, sorry
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Cool Cool. Great.
But I still think unlocking opens new horizons for flawless use of custom rooms, recoveries, kernel experiments , etc. There is a thread saying Relocking is possible. Then why not unlock now?
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What does it mean to the S-OFF and root?
If your s off it doesn't effect you the only way that can change is if you turn it back on by yourself. As for root it shouldn't be a problem I don't think the update will block it as most of us s off are running custom roms anyways
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S-OFF is a security flag to write to any partition on a device. This means system, recovery, hboot, etc. All these partitions are therefore capable of custom firmware. Its the most freedom one can have one flashing custom Roms and other firmware. Root is read and write access to the system partition within a custom or stock ROM. Without root one cannot access the system partition its protected. The benefits of root are far reaching as many apps require the access. Everyone should be rooted to improve functionality of the device but many don't S-OFF as it is a more evolved process to perform as oppose to rooting.
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S-OFF is a security flag to write to any partition on a device. This means system, recovery, hboot, etc. All these partitions are therefore capable of custom firmware. Its the most freedom one can have one flashing custom Roms and other firmware. Root is read and write access to the system partition within a custom or stock ROM. Without root one cannot access the system partition its protected. The benefits of root are far reaching as many apps require the access. Everyone should be rooted to improve functionality of the device but many don't S-OFF as it is a more evolved process to perform as oppose to rooting.
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He asked how the new update will affect people who have s-off and root. Not what they are.
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times_infinity said:
He asked how the new update will affect people who have s-off and root. Not what they are.
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Well it was vague and worded poorly so forgive the overabundance of info there Chet, eh?
xlxcrossing said:
Well it was vague and worded poorly so forgive the overabundance of info there Chet, eh?
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Thank you, at the least this can help someone doing a google search in the future. :good: More information is never a bad thing.
Just for my own benefit, how should I word it better?
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Well it was vague and worded poorly so forgive the overabundance of info there Chet, eh?
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I'm not an expert or developer but any update coming from Verizon will likely have the potential to disable the most current root and S-OFF methods. So if you're already S-OFF, then you should be fine. If you have to get your phone replaced with a non-S-OFF model, you will likely not able to re-root and S-OFF that new device. At least until someone is able to find a new root / S-OFF method.
Just my two cents,
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Just for my own benefit, how should I word it better?
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Its OK these guys understand you I'm obviously the problem I'll just shy away from replying to posts that I don't fully understand in the future, sorry.
xlxcrossing said:
Its OK these guys understand you I'm obviously the problem I'll just shy away from replying to posts that I don't fully understand in the future, sorry.
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I understood it the way you did too.
Breaking up the sentence and having the first part as the thread title and the second part as the post is confusing.
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Its OK these guys understand you I'm obviously the problem I'll just shy away from replying to posts that I don't fully understand in the future, sorry.
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I thought you answered the question. I certaintly was curious what they were. I'm chicken and haven't rooted yet. I had no idea what s off was.
yea, thanks for the explanation.
is it possible to root the phone without doing the S-off thing? is it free? i saw somewhere that you had to pay like $40 for some of the software.
does Voodoo OTA rootkeeper work with the dna?
imaudi5000 said:
yea, thanks for the explanation.
is it possible to root the phone without doing the S-off thing? is it free? i saw somewhere that you had to pay like $40 for some of the software.
does Voodoo OTA rootkeeper work with the dna?
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I don't know what that is but rooting just involves flashing an app called "superuser" that manages different applications' root access. It doesn't cost anything and is incredibly easy to do without doing s-off.
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rooting just involves flashing an app called "superuser" that manages different applications' root access. It doesn't cost anything and is incredibly easy to do without doing s-off.
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I'm pretty sure the root method for the DNA (pretty much all HTC phones) does require s-off and is more involved than just installing and running the superuser app.
Also I wouldn't update to 4.2 it sucks it has blinkfeed which I hate.
imaudi5000 said:
yea, thanks for the explanation.
is it possible to root the phone without doing the S-off thing? is it free? i saw somewhere that you had to pay like $40 for some of the software.
does Voodoo OTA rootkeeper work with the dna?
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Rooting the phone is NOT possible without S-OFF.
Running an app as superuser is NOT the same as having a device rooted. In the simplest terms, a rooted phone means you can access and modify system files. The most common use of rooting is running custom ROMs. There are several good ones for DNA in the development section.
You can currently S-OFF and root your phone with a tool called Moonshine, and it is free.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2314771
The only rooting I've ever done has involved flashing super user and I didn't know s-off was required. The other day I rooted a phone without doing s-off so I stand corrected.
You don't need to be S off to root but you do need to at least have an unlocked bootloader.
dabomb697 said:
You don't need to be S off to root but you do need to at least have an unlocked bootloader.
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Root has no function without soff
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Dri94 said:
Root has no function without soff
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Hmmmm no. I don't have S off and I have running a custom Rom.