Ok so i just installed linpack on a friends iphone 3gs running os4 and i ran a few test and it maxed out at 30.x mflops and i was amazed that an iphone could get to such high speeds.
i mean i hate iphones but this just kinda shows that they are good at somethings....
plz don't flame me for writing this.
the iphone wasn't overclocked or jailbroken (rooted) either.
why does the iphone get so many more mflops than the droid eris or even the nexus one?
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I've said a million times benchmarks mean nothing =p especially mflops. But the iphone has a much more powerful processor than our phone and it's optimized for single app processing so it can concentrate more on each app.
Try the quadrant test, it's at least somewhat more reliable.
it is because the iphone is a magically device crafted by Steve Jobs, who is really the second coming of the lord and savior Jesus Christ. Steve used his divine demi god powers to make a device to save our souls from damnation.
/this is what iphone followers really believe.
or that could be it
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But the iphone has a much more powerful processor than our phone and it's optimized for single app processing so it can concentrate more on each app.
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Using that logic -- given that the iPhone in the past didn't support multi-tasking -- it could get away with a much less powerful processor.
The real reason is, in order for that benchmark app to be allowed in the "store", is that the numbers have to multiplied by a factor of 4.
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Using that logic -- given that the iPhone in the past didn't support multi-tasking -- it could get away with a much less powerful processor.
The real reason is, in order for that benchmark app to be allowed in the "store", is that the numbers have to multiplied by a factor of 4.
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sounds like something mr. jobs would actually do.
The iPhone still doesn't use true multitasking and is therefor still optimized for single process-processing. It uses save states to RAM, which is ****ty in comparison to android multitasking but it allows for the cpu to go 100% when working on a benchmark application.
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it is because the iphone is a magically device crafted by Steve Jobs, who is really the second coming of the lord and savior Jesus Christ. Steve used his divine demi god powers to make a device to save our souls from damnation.
/this is what iphone followers really believe.
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well they need to pray to this god to help them remove the battery ahha
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The iPhone still doesn't use true multitasking and is therefor still optimized for single process-processing.
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Enough with the idiotic misinformation. The iPhone OS has ALWAYS been a multitasking OS. Even running iOS 3 - you are running multiple things at once. iOS 4 added support for running third party apps side by side. iOS is based on Mac OS X - which has preemptive multitasking, threading etc...
It uses save states to RAM, which is ****ty in comparison to android multitasking but it allows for the cpu to go 100% when working on a benchmark application.
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Your cluelessness is astounding. If you don't know what you are talking about - don't chime in. If you truley understood how modern OSs work ie linux, mac os x - you'd be ashamed you posted the drivel you did.
The higher scores may have something to do with the fact that iOS apps are compiled obj-c. No runtime / No need for a JIT etc...
Excuse me but what is objective c i am new to computers
edit: It doesn't let you put everything in all caps? That sorta ruins the effect.
Anyway I know plenty about computers lol but I know much much more about hardware than software.
edit edit: Oh wow I totally forgot to respond lol the iphone os4 still only uses save states to ram for multitasking. Or at least ios3 did, I know so little about ios4 but I know that the release for 3 is a version of the release for 4, so my point is STILL valid. phew. And just to answer the question further the iphone isn't a piece of crap, it's got a pretty nice processor.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/199528/multitasking_with_ios_4_is_horrible_apple_blew_it.html
Just to further prove exactly what I said lol
Your point about it being compiled c is probably the largest factor though.
who really cares about the iphoney anywayzz ? u cant remove the battery the icons are friggen ugly , u cant make a call without a cover , and this front facing camera ,, what good is it if the people u talk to dont have the same phone ? just wondering lol bottom line, the iphone is for little kids tryin to be cool android is for the reall world
sorry just my opinion
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Excuse me but what is objective c i am new to computers
edit: It doesn't let you put everything in all caps? That sorta ruins the effect.
Anyway I know plenty about computers lol but I know much much more about hardware than software.
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Apologies for being so harsh. It's just a habit I've gotten from being on andriod forums.com. So much misinformation over there. Objective-C is a object oriented variant of C. Do a google for Objective-C for more info. Tried posing a link, but I got a warning. It's a very nice language and as I mentioned before is compiled. I also forgot to mention that Apple also uses the GPU to accelerate math functions - so that may also be another reason why the iPhone owns on linpacks.
edit edit: Oh wow I totally forgot to respond lol the iphone os4 still only uses save states to ram for multitasking. Or at least ios3 did, I know so little about ios4 but I know that the release for 3 is a version of the release for 4, so my point is STILL valid. phew. And just to answer the question further the iphone isn't a piece of crap, it's got a pretty nice processor.
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this state saving is an optimization. If the app is not doing anything, there is no reason to have it take cycles or memory. It does not mean that the iPhone doesn't have true multitasking.
I was being sarcastic about not knowing about objective c >_> it just loses its effect over the internet lol
I know a bit about programming, in fact I know C++ more than any other language (not saying a whole lot.)
Like I said, I know much more about hardware as that is what I've studied.
Moved to General.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/199528/multitasking_with_ios_4_is_horrible_apple_blew_it.html
Just to further prove exactly what I said lol
Your point about it being compiled c is probably the largest factor though.
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I disagree that the article proves your point. The article basically bashes Apple for not automatically making all apps "multitasking compatible," which is complete crap. As a developer, I wouldn't want Apple to decide how my app works when it's "minimized" to the dock.
Now, the article does mention the save states:
iOS4 freezes the ones that aren't in use
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All that means is that when an app is idle it gets written out to disk (in this case flash memory) instead of taking up RAM. All modern operating systems that support multitasking do this, whether the OS is running on a mobile device (android, WM, iOS) or on a PC (linux, OS X, Windows, Solaris, etc.).
djclark: You state that Apple is using the GPU to accelerate math functions, but are you sure that happens on the iPhones? I looked up the GPU in the latest iPhone, which is technically integrated in the A4 processor, and according to wikipedia the GPU is the PowerVR SGX 535 GPU.
When I looked up that GPU, I don't see the capability to offload math functions onto the GPU.
Given that the latest iPhone has the same GPU as the 3gs, I don't believe they are using the GPU to do math functions on the iPhone.
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Now, the article does mention the save states:
All that means is that when an app is idle it gets written out to disk (in this case flash memory) instead of taking up RAM. All modern operating systems that support multitasking do this, whether the OS is running on a mobile device (android, WM, iOS) or on a PC (linux, OS X, Windows, Solaris, etc.).
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This may be a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyways.
If the iPhone saves the app's state onto a disk and the OS runs so smoothly how come other OS's don't just save app data onto a disk also? Or does the OS just run so smoothly because it is on C++?
I mean I have used the iPhone os4 and multitasking works decently.
I like it better on Android but it actually kinda works on os4
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It's like using only virtual RAM instead of your actual RAM ie: You wouldn't want to run programs off of your hard drive since it's much slower than your RAM.
iOS is smooth because of the fact that it's written in C. It does not multitask as well as an Android phone that keeps the program in RAM.
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I'm watching some videos on youtube...You know, usuals "dogfights" between Hero, iPhone, Milestone/Droid etc. and I'm really starting to get nervous...WHY iPhone HAS A SO SMOOTHER SCROLLING THAN ANY OTHER ANDROID PHONE ON THE MARKET?? I'm not even talking about 3GS/4 but 2G/3G!! Come on! They were released 2-3 years ago! Hero almost 10 months ago and Droid even before! Android has been upgraded 3 times in this period (1.5-->2.1-->2.2) but WE ARE STILL NOT ABLE TO GET A SMOOTH SCROLLING/ZOOMING in the browser! When the page is zoomed enough you have a good quality scrolling but if you open a page in overview (zoom = 0%) sometimes scrolling is VERY annoying! It is definetively NOT as smooth as on the iPhone. Same thing happens for pinch2zoom...If you want to increase the zoom (with an initial zoom >=20-30%) everything goes the right way...If you want to zoom at the beginning, when the page is still in overview, zoom is jerky! Until you reach the "holy zoom" (20-30%). Since then it becomes smooth...While on the iPhone you get a smooth zooming and scrolling both if the page is in overview or with an initial zoom.
What is the cause?? Is it possible that this happens because Android can't use the PDF rendering while iPhone does? I mean...It could be patented by Apple (just to "think different"). But even if this is true...I can't believe there isn't an alternative to make a smoother rendering engine on Android...I haven't seen Froyo yet but I don't think they properly solved the problem...Any idea?
I would hazard a guess at multitouch is software emulated in Android, hence why it only became available in 2.1, whereas the iPhone has it on the hardware level.
Much like how 3d graphics are far better on dedicated hardware than software emulation.
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You could be right... I also think that MT is emulated (because of its inaccuracy). By the way I'm talking about 2D elaboration (scrolling, zooming, swiping etc.) because 3D graphic is not comparable phone by phone. Some have a dedicated GPU while others have not.
To the ones who voted the third option: I'm talking about HTC Hero with default clock! I guess a 710 Mhz overclocked Hero has a smooth scrolling such as Desire has a far smoother scrolling because of its SnapDragon! Please, could you write the reason because you voted that option?? Thanks!
It seems fine for me on Villain10.3 with a BFS kernel and OC to 729 MHz. I quite like the legend-style text selection method that HomerSp ported across, as it's quite iPhone like
Hi, my name is Luca and it's smooth enough for me... ;-)
(and shame on me, I'm using stock rooted 1.5 on my Hero)
The only thing that really drive me crazy is the keyboard lag (and yes, I disabled all feedbacks).
Think of it this way.That f*****ng iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE.So the both of them are developed together,giving apple the chance to optimize it.But I guess that it also has to do with iPhone having native hardware multitouch.But we have everything they don't!And both iOS and iPhone have some fundamental fatal flaws that make them partially useless!So just stop being jealous of them and start mocking them again!
I think its because Apple has spent so much time and effort focusing on the look and feel of their devices, because thats what their market wants whereas the Android market is more concerned with the function.
Its the age old function verses form thing.
I agree with craig! And maybe android can do 100 more things than iphone...but what about the BASIC FUNCTIONS? I really would like to see google interested in improving UI! Look and feel is as important as every other feature!! And I will be jelaous until they bring a better user experience on the android UI
@anon: nice advertisement but I said not overclocked third post!
@luca: have you tried to scroll a page in overview (zoom at min)?
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I agree with craig! And maybe android can do 100 more things than iphone...but what about the BASIC FUNCTIONS? I really would like to see google interested in improving UI! Look and feel is as important as every other feature!! And I will be jelaous until they bring a better user experience on the android UI
@anon: nice advertisement but I said not overclocked third post!
@luca: have you tried to scroll a page in overview (zoom at min)?
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I would prefer a smoother phone but I wouldn't like to see function being sacrificed. I've played with my sisters desire and its pretty smooth on the stock so maybe its just a processor issue.
Maybe Google phones put so much into the function not a lot is sent to the UI. Maybe we'll see smoother UIs in the snapdragon phones.
Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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Some interstimg points there. We also need to remember certain things that make iPhone appear smooth like that little spring back you get when you pull too far down in an app is actually copyrighted by apple. So we might not be able to get the smoothness apple enjoys but I think we could get our own version.
Sure, Apple patented a lot of features which make the iOS an impressive OS. But, for example, Sense integrates that "spring" effect but, well, it's not even comparable to the iPhone's one! And, really, I don't care about this "FX" when I get a smooth way to scroll a web page and a smooth way to zoom (not necessarily with pinch2zoom). Since I'm just looking for a very good browser (because I think that the rest of UI in Android is pretty smooth) I expect from Froyo an excellent scrolling engine! But if this feature is connected with the whole OS (maybe through a defective "scrolling-zooming-library" ) I'm afraid we won't get it for a long time... If some devs read this thread: Is there a way to improve the scrolling/zooming smoothness of a browser? Default browser's source should be available...Froyo's too...
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Sure, Apple patented a lot of features which make the iOS an impressive OS. But, for example, Sense integrates that "spring" effect but, well, it's not even comparable to the iPhone's one! And, really, I don't care about this "FX" when I get a smooth way to scroll a web page and a smooth way to zoom (not necessarily with pinch2zoom). Since I'm just looking for a very good browser (because I think that the rest of UI in Android is pretty smooth) I expect from Froyo an excellent scrolling engine! But if this feature is connected with the whole OS (maybe through a defective "scrolling-zooming-library" ) I'm afraid we won't get it for a long time... If some devs read this thread: Is there a way to improve the scrolling/zooming smoothness of a browser? Default browser's source should be available...Froyo's too...
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I agree with you on this one.
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Me too! But other functions can be implemented by using 3rd part applications...I would like to see a smoother interface more than a hotspot function because the latest can be easily integrated by using Wireless tether for root/nonroot users! By the way you're talking about a phone with a 1Ghz CPU! It's not comparable with the iPhone 2G-3G/Hero CPU. And, despite this, interface is still NOT as smooth as the iPhone's one...This makes me think! The only one I've seen until now which is capable of a comparison with iPhone is the Evo 4G...But we are talking about a device that should be compared with iPhone 4! Not 2G/3G!
I would like to remind you: 2G/3G have been released in 2007/2008... Hero in 2009, Evo in 2010...I know that iOS is ONE OS for ONE DEVICE, but I also know that, for example, Windows is ONE OS for MANY DEVICES! And its UI is smooth enough! Oh and don't forget that OSX can be installed on hundreds of Notebooks/Desktops which are NOT apple! And it is as smooth as on Apple computers! So this is the proof that the device itself doesn't matter...Is a matter of "take care of look and feel BALANCED with functions". Do you agree?
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What you are referring to is a Hackintosh!
And yes,I know that MacOS can be installed on almost any PC and run as smooth,but for one reason.OSX's kernel is a BSD kernel,whick is UNIX based,just like Linux.So it is fairly easy to get it working on non-Apple hardware and make some new drivers.I have done some of it myself to be honest!
But iOS isn't anything like that.It is a new OS,made from scratch just for the iPhone.That's why we haven't seen a port for other phones yet and may never see one.So this whole one OS for one device thing is a very important factor,believe me!As for phones like the Desire and the Evo,just wait for FroYo and you will most probably see the smoothness you want so much.As for me?My Hero overclocked at a cool 768MHz with VillainRom 10.3 is smooth enough!
Anyway,one thing must be made clear.The fact that iOS runs smoother doesn't make it better.Think only that very basic and vital functions like Copy & Paste were only introduced in iPhone 3GS and Apple presented them like the evolution of mobile platforms!And just because Apple said it everyone believed it.One thing you have to know is that for Apple fans,if Jobs says that the Earth's rotation is Apple's patent,then they will believe it and grow cocky because they will think that the Earth rotates only because of their iPhones!
And about what you said about WinMo being smooth...I surely hope you are joking!You can barely call what WinMo has a UI!The only phones worth the trouble with WinMo are HD2 etc,new and powerful devices.
I was talking about Windows XP/Seven! XD Not Mobile! By the way I know I'm referring to Hackintosh! I used to be in the InsanelyMac scene... And I really don't want iOS to be ported on our devices! I LOVE Android! But I feel like it lacks a good rendering engine (even if it uses webkit from Chrome and, well, this is pretty strange! ) ! I really hope froyo will bring this "smoothness" I'm looking for Oh and I've seen some videos about HD2 browsing... Its smoothness is IMPRESSIVE!! Multitouch works great too! How can it be possible!? We're talking about Windows Mobile! And is the OS that makes the difference because it has the same features of N1...Snapdragon, 576 MB ram etc. So is WM better than Android in 2d rendering? I don't think so...I believe that someone at google missed something...Like "HW acceleration" while scrolling/zooming...I can't explain it better! What do you think?
PS: I could not compare an older phone with a newer one! It's like I would compare a Dream with a Desire! So HD2 is the only one comparable to the newer Android phones! Then yes...Windows mobile on newer devices is a good operating system
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I was talking about Windows XP/Seven! XD Not Mobile! By the way I know I'm referring to Hackintosh! I used to be in the InsanelyMac scene... And I really don't want iOS to be ported on our devices! I LOVE Android! But I feel like it lacks a good rendering engine (even if it uses webkit from Chrome and, well, this is pretty strange! ) ! I really hope froyo will bring this "smoothness" I'm looking for Oh and I've seen some videos about HD2 browsing... Its smoothness is IMPRESSIVE!! Multitouch works great too! How can it be possible!? We're talking about Windows Mobile! And is the OS that makes the difference because it has the same features of N1...Snapdragon, 576 MB ram etc. So is WM better than Android in 2d rendering? I don't think so...I believe that someone at google missed something...Like "HW acceleration" while scrolling/zooming...I can't explain it better! What do you think?
PS: I could not compare an older phone with a newer one! It's like I would compare a Dream with a Desire! So HD2 is the only one comparable to the newer Android phones! Then yes...Windows mobile on newer devices is a good operating system
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I used to be bothering with a Hackintosh that never worked(not supported chipset damnit) and was too @ InsanelyMac!
Anyways,you are comparing a PC OS with mobile phones.It's not fair.Think that the best results with linpack yet are 40-50 megaflops,while modern PC graphics cards have the power to reach even 6 terraflops.So even a PC with XP should work smoothly!
As with phones,it's what I told you.Froyo has a newer kernel,which is about the same version as the one used in Ubuntu 10.04 and should most probably have OpenGL 2.1 instead of 1.1.I believe and hope that this will give a solution!Better rendering will give better results!
I'm not being clear... XP was an example to let understand that even if an OS is made for MANY devices this doesn't mean it has to be of poor performance! My XP is as smooth as any other OSX out there! (after some tweaks!). So the fact that iOS is made only for iPhones doesn't matter about the loss of performance on Android which is made for MANY devices! Got it?
You are perfectly clear my friend!It's just that the way that PCs work is different.With a good enough hardware it can run good on any OS that supports the given hardware.But with the phones it's a bit trickier the way I see it.For every phone they must build specific drivers etc.So Android(and WinMo in this aspect) has to be partially developed for all devices simultaneously.Just look how different Galaxy S,Desire and Milestone are.To make you understand what I mean,think of different CPU architectures and Linux.Ubuntu,which I use everyday on my PC works differently on x86 architectures,differently on x86_64 and differently on PowerPC,because the architecture that has been most...ermmm...popular is x86.Different drivers mostly.OSX works only on x86 and works like a dream(almost ),but we cannot say it is better or anything than Ubuntu which works everywhere,on every hardware,but not as smooth or well as OSX.
It's not the best example that can be given,but I hope you understand what I want to say!
Sure! Android can run on many different architectures but know what...it's something like a car which can run on every kind of terrain but behaves as good as it is supposed to on none of them! Who is going to buy this kind of car? same thing is for android! I can't need a 1ghz cpu JUST to smoothly scroll a web page! I don't pretend asphalt 5 to run at 60fps on my hero but, hell yeah! I PRETEND to have a smooth scrolling/zooming! And I know this is possible because opera mini (apart from the huge lag-bug) handle it! So my only desire is to have a good and fast browser on my phone...am i asking too much?
Smooth scrolling is coming to Android
Watch this youtube video.. it elaborates about the MIUI ROM.
10:52 onwards you'd notice smooth scrolling with spring effect.. more or less in line with how it feels in iphone.
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Maybe I posted this in the wrong section,so sorry,asking to Zecanilis . Do anyone have an iPhone here? If so,anyone can tell why Android/iOS is better? I don't wanna know it,wanna know your opinions only
So,I prefer Android because it's opensource p) and because it's more "customizable" ha
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Wow, why do we need a topic like this ? Sorry, but if you write this on Google you can find thousands of them. This will only end with flames and fights. Nothing useful.
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Wow, why do we need a topic like this ? Sorry, but if you write this on Google you can find thousands of them. This will only end with flames and fights. Nothing useful.
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Yeah,infact I firstly posted and already-existing thread and I had to change thread theme. I apologize for this but what could I do?
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Actually, I like such threads, because they remind macfa...uh....macfans D) to keep quiet when it comes to comparisons to Android. Android is superior from almost any point of view.
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Actually, I like such threads, because they remind macfa...uh....macfans D) to keep quiet when it comes to comparisons to Android. Android is superior from almost any point of view.
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Yeah. But... I have to admit,for me AppStore games are better
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adobe ceo has said that apple can only dream of flash coming to ios because they are simply not going to make adobe flash of ios...
this is BIG + for android...
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Yeah. But... I have to admit,for me AppStore games are better
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Care to explain why? 'Cause both AppStore and Android Market contain their fair share of crap.
@ccdreadcc: True, although with the advent of HTML5 I'm not sure how long Flash support will continue to be an advantage of Android...
Android wins do to notifications the apps not games there more intgrated with the os an its changeable u can change everything an make ur phone look diffrent an i enjoy that no 2 phones look the same an iphone there identical but they do have better games an browser is better with pinching an zooming but my sgs is a little faster with apps closed but with stuff runing its laggy an ios is mostly smooth all the time but they dont have real multi tasking
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this old comic tells everything LINK
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this old comic tells everything LINK
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Exacly its ur phone u can do wat u plz tphone(therephone) 4 its not yours but u payed 1million 4 it
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You honestly can't go wrong with either and really depends on what you like. Honestly, I think why iPhone sales are so high is because people are misinformed about the product. Everyone gets it because they have been told to or think its cool since everyone has one, but at the end of the day both operating systems can do the same or maybe better(android).
I'd say both have their plus points. I've got my O1, which is my first android device. I love the ability to customise each and every part of it. We are all fans of this OS, we already know how great it is
But what I don't like about android, is the lack of quality content on the market, specially for low end devices like ours. I've got an iPhone 3GS too, and when you access the appstore on it, there's lots of great stuff out there.
Another downside is the lack of software optimisation. We got great hardware, with ****ty software: not a great combination. For e.g. my old iPod Touch 2nd gen still runs every damn single game I put on it without a drop of lagging, whereas we all know what happens on our O1. If we did not have such great developers here, we wouldn't be enjoying our O1 that much. :/
And before someone says something like, "you got a weak device, you should buy a SGS2 or whatever to feel the true power of android," I got one thing to say: each and every one of apple's products are optimised directly from manufacturers, their users dont need to depend on external developers. We can't say that much about our devices though.
Well my experience with iOS comes from an iPod Touch 3rd Gen that I've owned for 1.5 years, and my experience with Android comes from my O1 that I've owned for 2 weeks.
As others have mentioned I love my O1 and I think that Android as an "OS" it's definitely great, and I believe that if we were to compare iOS Vs. ANDROID only at the "OS" level, the Android OS it's superior essentially because it's a powerful, open source OS that allows you to go under the hood and tweak it or improve it, whereas with iOS is just a black box that you access only through APIs published by the manufacturer.
The thing is that comparing OS to OS does not makes much sense to the end user since what's more important is comparing "The Experience" of owning and using a phone with iOS Vs a phone with ANDROID, and at that level I think that iOS/iPhone definitely provides a much solid, cohesive and overall better experience to the end user (at least from my point of view):
1-) On iOS the OS and the Hardware are "One", since we have one company that manufactures the hardware and builds and optimize the OS to run only on that hardware, providing a longer life cycle for your product since the strategy of the manufacturer (Apple) is not focused on launching a new model every 3-4 months (as it is with Android phone manufacturers). Apple's focus is actually selling as much of the same model as they can over a period of at least one year.
2-) The Appstore even though is much more restrictive (than the Market) provides a much more controlled and predictable experience for App Developers, because they only have to worry about complying with the guidelines established by their development platform, and not with developing an App that will have to run as good as possible on hardware created by 8 or 10 different manufactures who have 100+ different phone models. Volume becomes an issue and so far developers have more success selling a 99 cents app on the Appstore than selling a $5 app on the Market. Take a look at this post from a renowned Game Developer talking about his experience about porting a hit game on the Appstore to the Android Market
Bottom line is that it all comes down to the Apps more than the hardware itself (we know that phones like the Samsung Galaxy S2 beats the crap out of an iPhone 4 and basically anything else), but all that powerful hardware, dual core processors and beefy GPUs can't do much if quality Apps are not there to take advantage of it, and so far Apple has done a better job in creating a suitable environment for developers at all levels: Programming, Marketing, Billing and Post-Sales Support.
When it comes to consumers (us) I definetely prefer the android cause i'm not willing to pay a sh1tload of money to buy a marketing bloat product which targets to rip off the ignorant gudget fashion victums. I want to be able to have a smartphone for 200 euros and to be able to customize it and use it the way I want and not the way they want.
And I don't want to hear a thing about better games etc etc cause if I want games i'll go and buy a psp and the total amount of money for low/mid-end android + psp will still be conciderably lower than an apple icrap
I will write my opinion, but everybody has an unique opinion so it may not matter.
As stated above, iOs and the hardware of the iPhone are one, they are designed and built as an entity. The result is the most powerful phone. Apart from the antenna problem the iphone had, the phone is perfect. And it will still be. The single-core iPhone 4 runs as smooth as dual-core android phones. Because android phones took everything that was good in linux, but also what is bad.
Android is for the guys that like customization, playing with their devices. You will never have to jailbreak an iPhone, as it's os is godlike anyway. The nasty part is that most of appstore games cost $ and some people may not be so willing to pay for every app they have.
Apart from the price, ioS is better than android, and i consider that anyone who disagrees is just sad he can't afford an iphone.That doesn't mean android is not good, because it is excellent, but still not quite at the apple's product level. Peace
Well I have also tried iOS, I own an iPod Touch 2G (MC, so it's the newer iteration). Sure, there are quality games by Gameloft & co. on the AppStore which also run alright on the iPod, but on 4.2 it gets really slow if you have any other tweaks on it, or if you activated multitasking and wallpapers.
What would definitely improve the Android experience is Gameloft getting their head out of their @ss and port their great games to lower-end devices as well. I really can't see what's the problem with minimum requirements for CPU and RAM if they really think 320x480 games would confuse customers, due to it being the most popular Android low-end resolution.
Other than that, Android is better than iOS simply because it allows you to do more stuff without hacks. First and foremost, the ability to use the phone as a mass storage device (Google should allow mass storage without additional drivers, it would be useful in certain situations, such as at school, where computers are usually blocked from installing drivers ).
@vador9: Sorry mate, but you're just as much of a d*ck as the other Apple fans. I can afford an iPhone, but that doesn't mean I WANT to spend that much money. Partly because the only reason for that price is the glass in it.
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Well I have also tried iOS, I own an iPod Touch 2G (MC, so it's the newer iteration). Sure, there are quality games by Gameloft & co. on the AppStore which also run alright on the iPod, but on 4.2 it gets really slow if you have any other tweaks on it, or if you activated multitasking and wallpapers.
What would definitely improve the Android experience is Gameloft getting their head out of their @ss and port their great games to lower-end devices as well. I really can't see what's the problem with minimum requirements for CPU and RAM if they really think 320x480 games would confuse customers, due to it being the most popular Android low-end resolution.
Other than that, Android is better than iOS simply because it allows you to do more stuff without hacks. First and foremost, the ability to use the phone as a mass storage device (Google should allow mass storage without additional drivers, it would be useful in certain situations, such as at school, where computers are usually blocked from installing drivers ).
@vador9: Sorry mate, but you're just as much of a d*ck as the other Apple fans. I can afford an iPhone, but that doesn't mean I WANT to spend that much money. Partly because the only reason for that price is the glass in it.
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You can actually do Mass Storage without the drivers.
And please, do not insult any other forum members. Whatever his opinion may be, its his, it should be respected. Its only a sharing of opinion, not a war.
Android has a great user interface, its highly customisable, it offers whatever someone may want. It's just that rare are the devices which really makes android look so good.
To explain this, I'll take the example of our fabulous O1. Forget about the pricing, let's just analyse the phone in itself: a nice phone, with great features, and a wonderful OS. The OS can do pretty much everything. Now where is the problem? LG, LG is the problem. I agree we paid for a low end phone, but that doesnt mean it should contain ****ty bugs, like the screen lag for example. Even with gingerbread out, it still has not been solved.
Its often the device which holds many a problems, not the OS. This is where iOS has an advantage, it's been used only on a couple of devices, and both the devices and the OS are manufactured by the same company. This causes a great optimisation. For example again, on any iOS device you may not be able to send a file via bluetooth properly (limited by the OS), but you have a smooth touchscreen with no lag at all and you almost never have an error popping up now and then (from the manufacturer).
Moreover, when we say "Appstore offers a larger range of quality apps than that of Android Market", its not just about games. Often basic apps are of much lower quality on the Market, e.g. compare the Facebook app on both platform, and you'll see that the Android version is weak.
Overall:
Android wins when it comes to customisation and performance (provided you have a good device), and iOS has an upper hand when it comes to best user experience and high quality apps
( ) iPhone
( ) iPad
( ) iPad 2
( ) iPod Touch
(✔) iDon't have money
(Certainly not for overpriced hype from a vendor whose customer attitude is way worse than Microsoft's )
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You can? Please enlighten me, I thought it really needed the LG Android drivers for that.
Also, he insulted us first, by implying we all are too poor to get iPhones and that's why we're jealous and say iOS is worse.
I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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Your right but when ICS roles out with NATIVE HARDWARE acceleration it will kick even the ipad 3's butt!
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From what I've heard, ICS fixes a lot of issues. The SunSpider tests (browser test) on the Galaxy Nexus running ICS was faster than the iPhone 4S.
But there is really no comparison between the Prime or any Android Tablet to the iPad. Assuming that you have the money, if you want an iOS tab, get the iPad. If you want an Android tab get the Prime.
This was discussed in a couple of earlier threads (here's one: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1377519). ICS doesn't really improve on Honeycomb when it comes to hardware acceleration or multi-core support. It will, however, likely be more optimized and a better overall experience.
I think most folks are hoping for a better browser experience, mostly. Otherwise, I think performance will be similar.
Here's a great video that shows how the five cores work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1qKdBX4-jc&feature=player_embedded
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From what I've heard, ICS fixes a lot of issues. The SunSpider tests (browser test) on the Galaxy Nexus running ICS was faster than the iPhone 4S.
But there is really no comparison between the Prime or any Android Tablet to the iPad. Assuming that you have the money, if you want an iOS tab, get the iPad. If you want an Android tab get the Prime.
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People need to stop quoting sunspider benchmarks they are extremely unreliable and you never get the same results!
Also those benchmarks where preformed with the stock ics browser! And who uses stock! If they used another browser it would been way faster!
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What is a better browser?
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Your right but when ICS roles out with NATIVE HARDWARE acceleration it will kick even the ipad 3's butt!
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While I enjoy a little Apple bashing as much as the next guy, lets not lose touch with reality:
Dianne Hackborn - How about some Android graphics true facts?
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
It woNt even matter. The extra cores will help regardless of optimized for it or not. There's been a few videos showing how the extra cores kick in to iniate actions faster, or make apps or games run a lot better. Who cares if the GPU not the most powerful out of all tablets. It's the most powerful in Android at the moment. Plus ipad2 is only slightly better. nOW, the CPU in tegra3 blows away any other CPU in the mobile tech market today, as far as tablets like iOS or Amdroid goes. The extra power in CPU can make up for any shortcomings on the already powerful gpu. Several reviewers said the best graphics ever seen on a mobile device was shown powered by tegra3 Prime, not ipad2. Browsing experience is subjective to the user. 3rd party apps are always better than native ones. Opera mobile will more than likely be best for prime, as it's the best for Android at the moment. Dolphin HD is great also.
Stop feeding into the so called negative hype so much. iPad browser not so fast n I have one. Safari sux but I have ICab and atomic browser which are much better than IOS stock safari browser.
Not to sound funny but this thread is another rehash of jeiwongs or others. You don't need no reassuring, unless you a child. I thought I saw one of your other posts saying you was an adult. Stop trying to compare everything to iPad. iPad so simple anyways so it should run fast as he'll. There is a lot more going on in Android OS like widgets n so on. For android to have all the extras and have the The Prime perform just as fast is an amazing feat. Ipad2 Only won a couple categories, Tegra3 blew all the other categories away.
As other more knowledgeable members have stated here before, don't be so fixated on spec numbers, like gpu. Nvidia and tegra3 has tricks up their sleeve to produce amazing results. Just like cars, just because you have more. Horsepower, doesn't automatically mean you will be faster or win. Other factors come into play. Weight, efficiency , etc...don't focus on gpu so much as it's the most powerful out for android anyways. Be amazed how more powerful the CPU is than any other tablet out now. The CPU will push anything extra needed the gpu can't handle on it's own. That's why Prime has all the extra capabilities like micro SD card support, USB host functions, game controllers, etc..
Apple, even though they make great tech devices, fool people. They could of easily implemented everything in ipad2 into ipad1. But no, they want to add a few extra features and make you want newer device. Especially with iPhones and all the different versions. Each upgrade could've easily been implemented into the last/previous one. At least with tegra3 is will have more longevity than any apple device. I have an iPad n love it but tired of having to hack ot just to do the simple tasks most others do out the box. Like people said before, iPad is for someone who loves simplicity and not too keen on technology. Android is a nerds dream and the customizations are very numerous. T the point of personalizing it. iPad, all you do is change wallpaper. Wow..lol. Even jail broken n adding themes, it still the same look really. Although I do have honey pad on iPad which changes it up to honeycomb UI. Completely makes iPad feel like a new device with widgets n everything. But ipad1 only has 256mb of RAM so I run out of ram quick when adding several widgets. Even ipad2 only has 512. Most Android devices now run 1GB of Ram. Newer ones will have even 2GB. The future lies with Android. The Prime will be the beginning of the new Android Revolution. 2012 will he tegra3 year, year of The Android. Once ipad3 announced, it will be cool n get lot of hype but now for the first time, us Android owners have devices to truly compete with Apple on all fronts. So the hype for Apple won't be as strong as before. People know now they have more choices of great products out there. Not just Apple.
Apple can optimize iOS in a way that Android cannot be optimized because Apple controls every aspect of their devices--hardware and software. Hell, I'd be shocked if an iPad 2 wasn't more optimized than any given Android device. And even then, it should be noted that Apple achieves their vaunted fluidity because iOS does far less than Android--lesser multitasking, no widgets, etc.
I'm more than willing to accept a little worse performance because I can do so much more with my Android devices, at least as far as the OS itself is concerned. Just the ability to stock up my Transformer's (and soon to be Prime's) home screens with functional elements like widgets means that I get far more overall functionality out of my Android tablet than I'd get from an iPad 2.
The apps situation is different, of course, but that will change. Already, I can't think of a single task I'd like to do with my tablet that I can't because of a missing app. So, the fact that the iPad 2 might be a little smoother in some things is pretty much irrelevant to me.
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Apple can optimize iOS in a way that Android cannot be optimized because Apple controls every aspect of their devices--hardware and software. Hell, I'd be shocked if an iPad 2 wasn't more optimized than any given Android device. And even then, it should be noted that Apple achieves their vaunted fluidity because iOS does far less than Android--lesser multitasking, no widgets, etc.
I'm more than willing to accept a little worse performance because I can do so much more with my Android devices, at least as far as the OS itself is concerned. Just the ability to stock up my Transformer's (and soon to be Prime's) home screens with functional elements like widgets means that I get far more overall functionality out of my Android tablet than I'd get from an iPad 2.
The apps situation is different, of course, but that will change. Already, I can't think of a single task I'd like to do with my tablet that I can't because of a missing app. So, the fact that the iPad 2 might be a little smoother in some things is pretty much irrelevant to me.
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Yes... all of those words.
Ectoplasmic said:
While I enjoy a little Apple bashing as much as the next guy, lets not lose touch with reality:
Dianne Hackborn - How about some Android graphics true facts?
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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I edited/deleted what I originally wrote. I'm sure he saw what I wrote. Regardless of how I feel, everyone entitled to their own opinions. If everyone thought the same this world would be a boring place. Just because I don't agree with opinion doesn't mean i need to counter and rag on the person.
That link does show some very interesting facts n details on how Android operates. This has been posted before but still good info.
I believe Android is more a focus on strengths than on shortcomings. android is getting better n better with every release. I know iOS structure and environment very well but I see the future potential in Android. iOS will always be locked down.
Cool story bro...
I used to take sides on the android vs. iOS debate, till the day I took an Arrow in the Knee.
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Cool story bro...
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blaziner18 said:
I'm not to much of a tech head and i know the quad cores help things run faster and smoother... but without ICS, it seems like the quad cores are not being used. What proof is there that ICS will even make full use of the quad cores? Does this
tablet use the quad cores to there full potential with anything? or are the cores just a marketing tool? As far as i can tell, the ipad has faster internet surfing and better a better gpu.
im not here to bad talk the asus or anything, I just want some... reassuring.
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Theory says: A processor (a core) can only run one thing at a given time. OSs use priority systems and give each running process a short time to do something before passing to the next process in a cycle. Having more cores would mean that each app would go in a specific core, so if you have 4 apps running at the same time, the 4 cores would be used. If you have more than 4 apps, each app would be assigned to a different core so they are distributed instead of acumulating them into just one.
And this should happen even if they aren't prepared for multicore, the system will send each app to a different core so they can run at the same time and be smoother. If an app is ready for multicore, then it can use the different cores to get the same result 4x faster. And even in games, as the GPU only fills textures. Yes, the iPad2 will fill the textures faster, but everything else will be faster on the tegra3 because of the 4 cores loading the game itself and each level faster, calculating each movement faster, and so on.
As browsing goes... read the link given by Ectoplasmic and try what is said there (i beliave it was that article) on your iPad. While loading a complex webpage, if you try to do anything with the tablet, the loading will stop until you release it. There, if it was at least dual core, one core could handle the user interaction and the other the browsing. Being a multitask system, android also has the problem of browsing with possible background apps using the connection (that only has one channel) limiting your speed and performance. Having more cores would soften this effect (because of what i stated first) but never eliminate it. On the other hand, your Twitter, fb, g+ could be getting updates while you load a webpage (it would take 1.1 secs instead of 1.0) but it wouldn't happen on the iPad.
Another day another Ipad (iOS) vs Prime (android) discussion.
So eat this, trollz!
If you ever thought about getting or did get an iPad you're not worthy of the Transformer Prime man.
I'd say if you cant decide between the two: ipad2&prime, get the iPad. Why? Because if you dont have an ipad, you dont have an ipad.
If for some reason after reading this post you're under the impression that I suggested to you to get the iPad. Get the iPad. Or read it again.
And dont take me too seriously i'm a friendly guy. And i just had some yummie beers and some red stuff out of a strange bottle^^
[Looking forward to the moment when "Sent from my TransformerPrime" is written in this spot]
demandarin said:
Stop feeding into the so called negative hype so much. iPad browser not so fast n I have one. Safari sux but I have ICab and atomic browser which are much better than IOS stock safari browser.
Not to sound funny but this thread is another rehash of jeiwongs or others. You don't need no reassuring, unless you a child. I thought I saw one of your other posts saying you was an adult. Stop trying to compare everything to iPad. iPad so simple anyways so it should run fast as he'll. There is a lot more going on in Android OS like widgets n so on. For android to have all the extras and have the The Prime perform just as fast is an amazing feat. Ipad2 Only won a couple categories, Tegra3 blew all the other categories away.
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me the child? I see all of your posts, and if anyone says anything negative about your god of a device you turn into a sad little fanboy. I don't feed into negative hype, I know what i see and i know that the apples internet browsing is faster. I was simply wondering what the cores do.
Android fanboys don't own iPads. I have an iPad and Android devices. So I can say I have experience comparing the two browsing experiences. Like I said before, in a sense, it was already stated before what the cores can and cannot do. This nothing more than a rehash of old thread that got closed. Grow some $&@@- and learn to research first, as your question been answered in several other threads here. XDA is not here to hold your hand n tell you everything OK. Get a grip, use search function, don't take everything so seriously . If you want to be seen as posting meaningful/informational stuff, then take it easy on the fluff filled threads..lol mr. hype man
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.. If you want to be seen as posting meaningful/informational stuff..
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I've never seen you post anything meaningful.
Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of your ease, stick with 3.6.
in this order... flash ICS w/ 3.6sense, flash chad's kernel which can be found @ infectedrom.com. flash gpu drivers. then, if you REALLY wanna boost that ****, use zepelinrox's V6 Supercharger (the option of 1000hp) and his Kick-Ass-Kernalizer. Optionally, use his 3g Turbocharger. Those three things of his, are scripts, which you can execute with Script Manager. If you do some reearch on the things I have stated here (this goes for many other users), you will never even remember why the hell Apple came up with the idea to go mobile...
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
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yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of you ease, stick with 3.6.
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
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The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
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The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
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... what rom. i swear if its not ICS... are you still on 2.3.4 Cobra ROM?............................................................
if you cannot tell the difference, you either did it wrong, or have bad eyes.
maybe iPhone was better for you?
btw never ever ever mentioned anyhing about forced GPU rendering... i was implying that you knew that ICS uses HW.. (erm Hardware) Acceleration.
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iOS renders the UI so fast because it is only showing pictures. Flip through the pictures in your gallery. That is all that iOS is doing with the homescreens. With Android, it actually renders everything because of the availability of widgets and live wallpapers.
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Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
DDiaz007 said:
Android UI will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints I discussed at the beginning:
- UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app
- UI rendering has normal priority
Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true. It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone. So why did the Android team design the rendering framework like this?
Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.
This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.
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Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
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First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
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First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
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In short, they simply can't rewrite how android handles the UI rendering priority. If they wanted to, they would have had to start with scratch. It isn't as simple as changing a few lines code.
Heck, changing a few lines of code is going to break something else, and then they would have to fix that, and fixing that may break something else. See where I'm going?
I'm no expert, and if anyone is, then please chime in. To my understanding, something like this isn't as delicate as you may think. Everything is running off that particular code on how Android operates the UI rendering priority. Changing the fundamental thing that helps Android operate, would mean everything else would have to follow suit.
Oh, and I forgot to mention HW acceleration does make a difference.
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If you want super smooth performance, I would highly suggest mean rom 4.3 with chads latest gingerbread kernel. Then get launcher pro as it is extremely smooth and I prefer it over the stock launcher anyway. I have next to no lag with that combo
Lololololol @ ios being faster...there homescreen is a bunch of pictures moving around..what does it need to render? They don't have widgets lolol
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I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
"How come you are not baptized?"
My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
"How come you are not baptized?"
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Well the ui is so simple it shouldn't lag..and ios is pictures so its not really rendering much
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My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
Troll or not it's been admitted even by the Android devs that iOS is smoother. Only because it runs a simplistic way. I'm fine with my 3D and prefer the added benefits of Android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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Tilde88 said:
ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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I'm currently running Anryl's newest ROM (without the buggy NEW drivers you suggested). I think it's sad and even more pathetic how you have to insult me in that way, it really does show your mentality.
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@SoraX64 and yousefak; Thank you both for defending me! (gave you both a Thanks for it too ^.~)
yousefak said:
What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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But Apple is evil!!!!!!! Android4eva
ok just to clarify... i dont give a flying anything what you all think about me, being hostile from the start. no i was not. i gave precise instructions to help, post #2 and post #4. but since those things were ignored, i gathered my perception of the OP. i had a nice writeup for people to get their 3G speeds up to par, but you know what. screw this community. bunch of flame-hards.
and yes, i didn 'almost insultingly' post something... on the second page... get off your high horses... im done with XDA... just a leech now. screw you guys.
http://www.phonedog.com/2012/06/11/...really-detrimental-to-the-android-experience/
merp link isnt working for me so a second link
http://www.pcworld.com/article/257307/dual_core_processors_wasted_on_android_intel_claims.html
according to intels general manager dual cores are not doing us any good. That obviously means quadcores are going to do even less for us.
Just Intel propaganda as they are trying to get into the mobile processor market.
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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ckoadiyn said:
Hmm perhaps but at the same time makes sense. These phones should fly but I also know it has to do with the VM
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The thing we have to realize here is that Android was designed to cater to different hardware configurations vs let's say Apple's direction for mobile, they have control of the hardware so they can customize drivers with their software.It also depends how the application uses the hardware too. Dual-core "I believe" is about right, because these apps are not really going to utilize it.
Intel needs to "put their money where their mouth is." All they need to do is make a single core soc that competes with the s4 and tegra 3 AND within a reasonable budget for me to believe and trust them. Till then its just smack talk.
guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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guy has a point there, and a valid one...I remember when we got the first dual core phone and it wasn't nearly optimized to take full use of it...So in the end it makes sense overall...Esp when you look at it from apps and everything else that doesn't take full advantage of everything available...least thats my thinking on it...
BUT I highly doubt Intel is scared and trying to pull a marketing scheme as some of the things they announced at CES for the future of mobile SoC line for them was amazing...down the the tiny nm processing to the features pushing for...
Also its Intel....their stuff wont be bad in the end of things, once they get solid footing here...
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Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Not the right person to believe. It's like believing Steve jobs when he said people don't want phones larger than 3.5" screen.
Once their stuff is released and a third party with no ties, including advertising, can test it then i will believe.
ckoadiyn said:
Thank you first logical post lol obviously its a marketing scheme not like they don't almost have a monopoly anyways. Lol and I think dual cores this gen anyways is somewhat better then the s3 and I'm sure they are better then the exynos.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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I'd bet that most lower-end dual-core Androids really aren't optimized for it. There are some pretty cheap handsets out there, and the experience with them sucks.
On the other hand, though, the manufacturers who make quality phones (HTC) know what they're doing.
It sounds just like the argument iPhans used to make two years ago - they'd talk about how Android was not a good OS because the phones they tried were laggy, slow, and stuttered... ignoring entirely the fact that they were playing with the cheap Android phones. Put a resource-intensive OS in cheap hardware and the experience will suck.
And to an earlier point, Intel is trying to get into the mobile space... and their mobile processors are single core. It's in their best interest to make people leery of their dual-core competition.
I agree with the article 100%, mostly. For now, all enabling dual cores does is inflate useless benchmarks and kill the battery.
The bad part of the article is trying to compare today's processor arch with old stuff.
My personal opinion... Taylor Martin is a moron. Most of his articles on Phonedog are useless!
Medfield is a single core. Maybe they are just trying to defend their product.
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Actually, Intel has maybe a 5% market share in chips. So they don't have a monopoly lol. There's this one company with a super high market share, I forgot the name.
But this is interesting. Reminds of the "S4 is faster because Android isn't made for quad cores!" argument.
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Even in the pc world? That's what I was referring to I understand mobile wise they don't have much or any... Hence the they don't need a scheme
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This article is about 99.99% right. There is some obvious bias in it, but it holds a lot of truth.
The fact is that Android wasn't built to be "silky smooth". Take a look at WP7 for example, those phones run as smooth as any phone can run and they are all single core processors, yesteryear android specs. The architecture of the OS is 100x more important than processing power and it's sad to say that Google absolutely did not focus on this when they started creating Android. Keep in mine that they started before Apple or Windows in building Android, so they probably just didn't have the foresight.
With that being said, I am as big of an Android fan as any of you and I don't plan on changing any time soon but the fact remains that our operating system will most likely never be as smooth as WP or ios. We win by a milestone though when it comes to functionality.