Hello Fascinate Community,
I'm new to the development scene and I'm trying to learn as much as I can about creating or modifying/altering ROMs. Specifically, I'm interested in modifying the Fascinate TouchWiz stock. Maybe I'm the only person in the world, but I kind of like the TW interface and don't care to replace it with a 3rd party launcher (I did use and like LauncherPro Plus on the Droid 1/2, just enjoying something different).
At any rate, I had some ideas that I thought would be really cool to integrate with the existing TouchWiz interface and I thought that I would share them in the event someone figures out how to incorporate them.
I also thought this might be a good way to consolidate ideas the community at large might have for upcoming ROMs, but lack the know-how to implement:
1) Similar to the control toggles in the notification bar, implement forward/back and play/pause controls for the music player
2) Rescript the default Car Home app to use Google Navigation / Google Voice Search
3) Add music controls to the bottom of the default Car Home app
4) Replace all the Bingification with Google (obviously)
5) have the soft keys stay on while screen is on
hope to see CM6 on here loved it on my eris
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6) have soft keys act as notifications..... was nice having the trackball light up with the nexus one
as long as it is built off froyo i will be happy
wstcoaster07 said:
6) have soft keys act as notifications..... was nice having the trackball light up with the nexus one
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I know there are people working on this already, I really hope it makes it into the first series of ROMs.
7) Add a setting that allows you to enable/disable the "signal lost/found" audio alert.
8) (No-brainer - not even sure it warrants mentioning) Use a different file system (ext4?) to eliminate need for lag-fix.
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7) Add a setting that allows you to enable/disable the "signal lost/found" audio alert.
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I'm still hunting for that bastard.. I won't give up till that notification is dead!!
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6) have soft keys act as notifications..... was nice having the trackball light up with the nexus one
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That would be excellent! Only thing I am truly missing from my BB is the notification light!
so far i think i might have the best ROM idea of them all, One that doesnt have the memory hog TouchWiz!!! yeah!!! sorry guys have to, cant wait to start seeing stuff flowing out of this section!
Rom Idea:
2.2 Froyo
and the ability to use the touchwiz widgets. I really like them over HTC Sense.
Thats the only reason I wont use launcherPro....Official widgets from the manufacturer look so much better than aftermarket ones!!!
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Having owned my EVO since November of last year, one of the mods/apps on my phone that has been with every ROM is JsChiSurf's power control notification bar. It is THE most useful and crucial apps I have on my phone. Although I know there are other 'widgets' on the market that "sort of" replicate it, JsChiSurf's mod is the only one that allows you to have access to any of the power controls you frequently need from any screen quickly and easily, whereas, with most power control widgets, you have to go back to the screen where the widgets are located.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=836721&highlight=notification+power
My Photon is arriving today and since it doesn't appear JsChiSurf made the jump to the Photon, it's the one mod that I'm going to truly miss. Because of that, I was wondering if any of you talented developers out there knows how to port this mod to the Photon? I'm willing to pay a bounty ($20, via Paypal) to anyone who can do it.
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Having owned my EVO since November of last year, one of the mods/apps on my phone that has been with every ROM is JsChiSurf's power control notification bar. It is THE most useful and crucial apps I have on my phone. Although I know there are other 'widgets' on the market that "sortof" replicate it, JsChiSurf's mod is the only one that allows you to have access to any of the power controls you frequently need from any screen quickly and easily, whereas, with most power control widgets, you have to go back to the screen where the widgets are located.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=836721&highlight=notification+power
My Photon is arriving today and since it doesn't appear JsChiSurf made the jump to the Photon, it's the one mod that I'm going to truly miss. Because of that, I was wondering if any of you talented developers out there knows how to port this mod to the Photon? I'm willing to pay a bounty ($20, via Paypal) to anyone who can do it.
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I agree. This has always been a great feature on past rooted phones. This type of mod is also included in CM7 and is better because you can change them on the fly without flashing and can have more than 6. Either way, would be nice to have.
I'm still waiting myself
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+1 on this port
one of the things I'm missing from them epic lol
flipper12 said:
Having owned my EVO since November of last year, one of the mods/apps on my phone that has been with every ROM is JsChiSurf's power control notification bar. It is THE most useful and crucial apps I have on my phone. Although I know there are other 'widgets' on the market that "sort of" replicate it, JsChiSurf's mod is the only one that allows you to have access to any of the power controls you frequently need from any screen quickly and easily, whereas, with most power control widgets, you have to go back to the screen where the widgets are located.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=836721&highlight=notification+power
My Photon is arriving today and since it doesn't appear JsChiSurf made the jump to the Photon, it's the one mod that I'm going to truly miss. Because of that, I was wondering if any of you talented developers out there knows how to port this mod to the Photon? I'm willing to pay a bounty ($20, via Paypal) to anyone who can do it.
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If I get some free time (depends on my stress test results tomorrow) I will work on this. I think this would be handy to have as well.
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In the meantime, might try using Notification Toggle from the Market. Haven't tried it myself but looks promising.
*BINGO!!!*
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In the meantime, might try using Notification Toggle from the Market. Haven't tried it myself but looks promising.
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Brother (or sister if you're female), thank you for pointing me in the direction of that app. I just installed it and it looks like the concept was modeled on JsChiSurf's notification bar (and considering the developer was from XDA, I wouldn't doubt it).
I just installed it on my Photon and it seems to work the same way. In fact, it's a bit more user friendly in that it allows you to select which toggles you want on the notification bar from a menu selection, rather than editing a text file. And although I haven't tested ALL the functions yet, so far, most are working on my Photon. I now have room again on my homescreen (temporarily had widgets installed) and can now access those functions from any screen.
Again, thank you very much! I guess I need to pull my head out of my *ss once in a while and take a look at what's new on the Market.
Try Widgetsoid from the market. It has the option to put the widgets in your pulldown. Works great
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In the meantime, might try using Notification Toggle from the Market. Haven't tried it myself but looks promising.
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I tried this for a while. It's nice, but the Photon doesn't support the all-in-one notification, so each control takes a notification slot. It's nice, but I'm still holding out for Power Control Notification.
mquinn24 said:
Try Widgetsoid from the market. It has the option to put the widgets in your pulldown. Works great
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Didn't even know those apps existed...
Question for you about Widgetsoid. I installed it on my notification bar but can't figure out how to change to icon and background colors. Right now, both are white and it makes it hard to see.
UPDATE: NM - figured it out.
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Didn't even know those apps existed...
Question for you about Widgetsoid. I installed it on my notification bar but can't figure out how to change to icon and background colors. Right now, both are white and it makes it hard to see.
UPDATE: NM - figured it out.
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If you want to use flashlight as one of your widgets. Change the flash mode settings to mode 2 in the menu.
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Quick settings or quicker are similar on the market
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Thinking of making a rom. Based on cm7. (NO BLUR CRAP!) I like features of a lot of roms but HATE all the god awful theme crap people put on everything like these battery circles and all the ****ty looking mish mash of crap. I want my phone to look Android. Not like a ricer Honda.
So:
What features would you like to see in a rom?
What are you favorite features that you commonly use but don't see in a rom that looks good?
Keep in mind this will most likely be cm7 based with a lot if extras....
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I love cm7 beta but here's what I'd like to see changed:
1. Push button to answer phone instead of swipe to unlock, or at least a settings to choose either.
2. a better 1% batter indicator, as of now, cm7 has the number next to a small green bar, I'd like to see the number inside a battery icon.
3. email client is weak, especially direct dial from email. Currently can't direct dial number included in header. This sucks for business users
4. a cleaner sms user interface. why do I have the droidbot in every text I send, would like to see it streamlined.
5. Vlingo assistant is years ahead of google voice search and should be used as the default voice search.
6. Keep Theme Chooser and all mods under Cyanogen Settings.
Thats all I can think of now but will add more later if I think of any.
MIUI?
10char
The last miui I used on my inspire was such crap I'd never use it again lol
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xploited said:
MIUI?
10char
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Didn't mean to press thanks....but yes! Want miui really bad
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I know it's asking for a lot but the only thing I want in any ROM is working hdmi mirroring. Just a suggestion
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I like:
The lower auto screen brightness tweak that was added into Homebase.
End call widget on homescreen or hold down a capacitive button at the bottom.
I like the toggles in the status bar for wifi and stuff but wish the status bar was about and inch with toggles and maybe end call toggle visible instead of having to slide it down.
Tap to unlock or tap to answer.
Disable data/wifi option on screen off.
Dear members,
coming freshly to Android and the Xperia S, I've got some questions for which I didn't find an answer, yet, and hope you can somewhat enlighten me.
The phone is LTi26, running 4.0.4, rooted on a reseller contract of Germany's D2/Vodafone.
regarding the Walkman-App, am I just to blind or noobish, or is there really no option to empty the list of currently playing tracks?
at home, I've got EDGE at best and use WiFi, but on the run, I can get 3G/UMTS. Is there a simple toggle/switcher, I can change networks with a single tap, instead of always digging through the menu?
regarding GPS, if it's off and I turn it on, there's always a window popping up, telling me costs may apply, data may be send, etc. Any way to dismiss this window forever?
is it possible to remap the camera button in certain situations? F.e., when the display is off and locked, I'd love to be able to give it a double-tap and have it turn on the camera's flash. Also, if the currently visible and active app isn't the camera app, it would be nice to use this button as a 'back'-button, so I can easily push it with my pinky.
I've read, that AMOLED displays can save power, when they display mostly dark/black colors, IIRC the Xperia S has no AMOLED, but is there a similar possibility? I'm not interested in fancy wallpapers, so it wouldn't hurt me much.
I'm currently happily using the ssLauncher in replacement of Sony's, but in the widget selection, some things don't show up, f.e. the music widget and the 'extras' (on click toggles). Is this a problem of this particular launcher and is there any way to still use them in this launcher?
I've seen a thread with a video, showing how to prick open the phone and be able to exchange the battery, but are there also compatible batteries available which feature a higher capacity?
I've installed the drobear SSHd (no links for noobs), but I'm not able to connect, it always gets a timeout. Not compatibe/config issue(client in question is my Gentoo desktop)?
Other than that, I must say, I'm currently quite pleased with this phone and Android in general. Coming from Maemo, there are still some things I'd like to be able to, but so far it's a good start and so far I'm glad, I didn't opt for the One S or the Droid.
Thanks for your help, regards,
S.D.R
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- At walkmand - didn know, i dont like the Walkman app and use Android music player
at home, I've got EDGE at best and use WiFi, but on the run, I can get 3G/UMTS. Is there a simple toggle/switcher, I can change networks with a single tap, instead of always digging through the menu?
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on Stocklauncher or the most Relpacements you can ad a Aplicationsshortcut to the launcher... an there are many Apps/Widgets in the market to bring you with one click to the Datasettings... but there is, as far as i know no way to switch with one click from 3g fo 4g - only with to clicks... also for WFI an/of you can set a Aplication to Home - the Homelauncher got a Widget for - it works with one klick . also in the Market it will gives many apps/widgets for,
is it possible to remap the camera button in certain situations? F.e., when the display is off and locked, I'd love to be able to give it a double-tap and have it turn on the camera's flash. Also, if the currently visible and active app isn't the camera app, it would be nice to use this button as a 'back'-button, so I can easily push it with my pinky.
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as far as i not there is at the moment no way for something like that, but i belive must be possible, but needs to root the phone and rewirten the firmware
I've read, that AMOLED displays can save power, when they display mostly dark/black colors, IIRC the Xperia S has no AMOLED, but is there a similar possibility? I'm not interested in fancy wallpapers, so it wouldn't hurt me much.
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jess, it helps to to save a bitt Battery with black backgrounds
I'm currently happily using the ssLauncher in replacement of Sony's, but in the widget selection, some things don't show up, f.e. the music widget and the 'extras' (on click toggles). Is this a problem of this particular launcher and is there any way to still use them in this launcher?
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The Sony widgets are just run with Sony Stock Launcher. its not a problem of the Launcherreplacement,
I've seen a thread with a video, showing how to prick open the phone and be able to exchange the battery, but are there also compatible batteries available which feature a higher capacity?
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as i see, the Battery is a normal fitting Battery from sony, so it shuld give compatible Batteries with more Power
this is what i know
lg
noob.fl
- At walkmand - didn know, i dont like the Walkman app and use Android music player
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I like the Walkman for it's rather simplistic look&feel; currently I'm trying n7player and poweramp, but while they work, they are imho quite complicated.
but there is, as far as i know no way to switch with one click from 3g fo 4g - only with to clicks...
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Mh, that's sad. Anybody tested, how much battery is drained when GPS is on, but not in use by any application?
also for WFI an/of you can set a Aplication to Home - the Homelauncher got a Widget for - it works with one klick . also in the Market it will gives many apps/widgets for,
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Yeah, I've got NotificationToggle (or something like that) running, which get's the job done, except for GPS.
I need GPS for some things Tasker, if on but inactive GPS doesn't do to much harm, that'll be an option, though imho not perfect.
as far as i not there is at the moment no way for something like that, but i belive must be possible, but needs to root the phone and rewirten the firmware
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Someone did some searching on that? I'd think it would be just a case of setting some value somewhere in /sys/ or something.
jess, it helps to to save a bitt Battery with black backgrounds
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Thanks. Does that only account for real black (00/00/00, #000) or is it a general fact that say #aaa saves more battery than #bbb?
The Sony widgets are just run with Sony Stock Launcher. its not a problem of the Launcherreplacement,
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is this a matter of hiding/making available the widget to other launchers, or a technical problem in that they need some code only provided in Sony's launcher?
as i see, the Battery is a normal fitting Battery from sony, so it shuld give compatible Batteries with more Power
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Ok. I've searched a little, but couldn't yet find any with more power, only ones with lower, up to 1400mah.
this is what i know
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Thank you.
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While I'm at it, I'm missing FM transmit functionality, as in I had it with my old phone(N900). As far as I've read, it seems, the chip really only allows receiving in hardware, so not a fully functional module with the transmitting functionality disabled, correct? If that's the case, does someone have experience with fm transmission, as in what pieces of hardware are needed? If it's rather small, I'd love to get on of the bottom pieces, the one with the xperia writing on it, add a 3.5mm jack and the hardware and add it to the top of the phone, but I guess that's wishful thinking?!
Hi,
I may be being really dense, but I can't find an option to remove/change the toggles in the notification area... I use some (like wifi, bluetooth, brightness), but have no need for ones like power saving, sync etc.
Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
Thanks!
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Hi,
I may be being really dense, but I can't find an option to remove/change the toggles in the notification area... I use some (like wifi, bluetooth, brightness), but have no need for ones like power saving, sync etc.
Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
Thanks!
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I'm assuming you are on stock rom, if so you cant. Custom roms like Omega have 15 toggle mod you can add or remove whatever you like.
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Thanks for the answer
Yes I am currently on stock ROM - I used CM9 nightlies for ages on my S2 but didn't like them as much as the S3 stock. Maybe I'll try Omega (have recently installed the kitchen part of it anyway)
Would you say Megga is better than CM in your opinion?
It's impossible to say if a rom is better or not. I've been using AOKP roms on my galaxy S II but I can now say I like original Samsung roms more on the S III, I even use touchwiz which would've been unthinkable on the S II. I'm on Omega Rom. It's basically stock but with upgrades. Been using other roms for a few hours too because Im a flashaholic but keep Nandroid-ing back to Omega. First time Samsung did a great job on interface IMO
Well that sounds good, I'll give it a go later, thanks
Out of interest, does Omega have the ability to cancel an app by long-press of the back key? That's something I miss from CM9...
Fyi, here's how to change/remove the toggles...
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1725411
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Well that sounds good, I'll give it a go later, thanks
Out of interest, does Omega have the ability to cancel an app by long-press of the back key? That's something I miss from CM9...
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No, it doesn't but as you probably know, long press home and press Task Manager let's you kill tasks.
I liked the idea of long press back key, but was never happy with the execution - I was constantly killing apps that I didn't want to by tapping back too quickly. Clearly CM wasn't checking that you were holding back, but rather that it was pressed at the start and end of a certain time period.
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Thanks for the reply... I actually used it a lot with CM9 and found it very useful, but not the end of the world to not have it!
So I know that the devs are hard at work on getting us all kinds of CM, AOSP, and/or AOKP goodness, but I thought maybe if any of the devs are looking for some features to add it might be nice to have a thread they can refer to with everyones "wants" once the "needs" are met.
I'll start it off with a request to add support for BLN (back light notification) to an upcoming kernel. This, combined with the option to put the navigation bar on while dissabling the HW keys would be a great feature IMHO. Not to mention our stock notification LED pretty much sucks a big one.
ROM feature requests
Flashlight in notification drawer quick settings
More options in the shutdown menu (Boot to recovery, etc)
Get rid of the idiotic audio policy of volume reduction when plugging in headphones
Allow dialer rotation
The option to see the standard swipe lock screen before the secure lock.
True music controls on the lock screen
Better control of status bar icons (center clock, hide icons, change colors of icons, etc)
The ability to link the notification volume with the ringer volume
Volume rocker music controls
Universal Qslide
Kernel feature requests
BLN
Enable audio through USB for devices like the Infuse Car Dock (I think this is a kernel issue, if not let me know and I'll put it with the ROM stuff)
I didn't see a similar thread on here, so if there is, kindly point me to it and a mod can delete this one. And if BLN support already exists in Sk8's kernel tell me that too, ha ha.
I haven't looked into the ROMs because I'm liking stock, but a request I do have for when I do decide to flash is to have a flashlight if it hasn't been incorporated into the ROMs out now. There's a lot of times where I need to look for something and don't feel like turning on my light switch. Would be a nice thing to be implemented if it hasn't been done and can be done.
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I haven't looked into the ROMs because I'm liking stock, but a request I do have for when I do decide to flash is to have a flashlight if it hasn't been incorporated into the ROMs out now. There's a lot of times where I need to look for something and don't feel like turning on my light switch. Would be a nice thing to be implemented if it hasn't been done and can be done.
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Have you tried this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devuni.flashlight
I added the widget on my homescreen for instant on/off.
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I haven't looked into the ROMs because I'm liking stock, but a request I do have for when I do decide to flash is to have a flashlight if it hasn't been incorporated into the ROMs out now. There's a lot of times where I need to look for something and don't feel like turning on my light switch. Would be a nice thing to be implemented if it hasn't been done and can be done.
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I don't know if this is what you have in mind, but I use TeslaLED: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.flashlight&feature.. It has a widget you can add to the homescreen for a quick on off, as well as some other features. I actually have it as one of my lock screen apps. I wish there was a way to have it turn on when opened from the lockscreen, but it's only one extra tap.
Edit: Gah! John beat me to one.
PS: TeslaLED is only 512K, whereas Tiny Flashlight is anything but at 1.5M
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I don't know if this is what you have in mind, but I use TeslaLED: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.flashlight&feature.. It has a widget you can add to the homescreen for a quick on off, as well as some other features. I actually have it as one of my lock screen apps. I wish there was a way to have it turn on when opened from the lockscreen, but it's only one extra tap.
Edit: Gah! John beat me to one.
PS: TeslaLED is only 512K, whereas Tiny Flashlight is anything but at 1.5M
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I like yours better, lol. Thanks!
Thanks guys. Can't think of anything else right now.
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I would love more options on the power button. Reboot to recovery, etc...
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My wishlist:
1. Get rid of the idiotic audio policy of volume reduction when plugging in headphones
2. Allow dialer rotation
3. Enable audio through USB for devices like the Infuse Car Dock.
The two features I really want to see are:
- The option to see the standard swipe lock screen before the secure lock.
- true music controls on the lock screen instead of using the notification controls
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My biggest things are center clock, ability to hide things on status bar, and a flashlight toggle. The Base has done pretty well but I would love a flashlight toggle in my quick settings in my notification drawer. The swipe for flashlight thing was so touchy that I disable it.
Also, I love the theme chooser app and ability to have easy themes for my ROMs like in CM10 and AOKP
EDIT: also the ability to boot straight into download and recovery mode like in certain other ROMs using the power button.
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The Base ROM does have a flashlight built in, you can activate it in the notification drawer options.
I was using Tesla until I found this.
Though I do wish it was in the Quick Settings too.
I would also love native reboot options.
And lastly, I would love the ability to link the notification volume with the ringer volume.
I know. The swipe thing only works half the time and half of that half, I end up with The Base force closes
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I know. The swipe thing only works half the time and half of that half, I end up with The Base force closes
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Really, it actually works quite well for me.
Haven't had a base fc yet... you may want to reinstall and try again.
bleached45 said:
Really, it actually works quite well for me.
Haven't had a base fc yet... you may want to reinstall and try again.
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Works good for me too
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Really, it actually works quite well for me.
Haven't had a base fc yet... you may want to reinstall and try again.
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I had actually forgot about this feature. I just tried it again and sometimes it takes three or four swipes to turn on. Might be user error though.
Swipe for torch works perfect for me.
Reboot options would be nice.
Volume Button Music controls would be nicer.
I actually came up with a wish while looking at the android dev section.
It doesn't actually have to do with the rom itself, but I'm hoping that as things become further developed to not only have a Changelog but to have a what's working list/what's not working list or just the latter.
I see a lot of threads gets bogged down with DOES THIS WORK? IS THIS INCLUDED?
Granted there's a group of people out there that don't read and just flash, but it could be helpful for another group of people that compare and contrast roms (like myself) before flashing.
Anyone else agree?
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I actually came up with a wish while looking at the android dev section.
It doesn't actually have to do with the rom itself, but I'm hoping that as things become further developed to not only have a Changelog but to have a what's working list/what's not working list or just the latter.
I see a lot of threads gets bogged down with DOES THIS WORK? IS THIS INCLUDED?
Granted there's a group of people out there that don't read and just flash, but it could be helpful for another group of people that compare and contrast roms (like myself) before flashing.
Anyone else agree?
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That makes sense to me. :thumbup: I wonder if xda could get a ROM form together so all the devs can include all the same info in their ROM's thread's OP. I don't know how practical that would be, but it would be nice to have some standardization.
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That makes sense to me. :thumbup: I wonder if xda could get a ROM form together so all the devs can include all the same info in their ROM's thread's OP. I don't know how practical that would be, but it would be nice to have some standardization.
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That is a pretty cool idea.
But from what I've seen, most ROM posts actually follow a pretty basic design.
We seem to be the odd ones out.