Not sure where else to put this but as its a viewsonic product ill try here. Has anyone got or played about with the viewpad? 10" capacitive screen runnign windows 7 and android 1.6.
Quite interested in it but cant seem to find that many reviews, hands on guides to it.
Mainly interested in the windows side of it if it works well enough really for installing windows programs with the android side for apps. Unfortunate its only 1.6 though and not at least 2,1.
skimminstones said:
Not sure where else to put this but as its a viewsonic product ill try here. Has anyone got or played about with the viewpad? 10" capacitive screen runnign windows 7 and android 1.6.
Quite interested in it but cant seem to find that many reviews, hands on guides to it.
Mainly interested in the windows side of it if it works well enough really for installing windows programs with the android side for apps. Unfortunate its only 1.6 though and not at least 2,1.
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Unfortunately I don't think you'll find too much interest/help in this section as though Sears Mis-stated that the tablet we bought ($379) was a VP 10 it's actually a GTab10... the difference being the VP10 is a an Atom (Proc.) Based tablet shipped with Windows and Android 1.6 vs. GTab being an ARM/Tegra2, Malata SMB-A1002 Proto design hybrid running a yet fully baked Android 2.2 version... so this new section is for GTabs and the 2 tabs with similar names are totally incompatible beasts
I did try a search and found soem new interesting news for the VP10... it's getting 2.2 update it seems...
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f27/viewsonic-viewpad-10-android-2-2-update-coming-41795/
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Unfortunately I don't think you'll find too much interest/help in this section as though Sears Mis-stated that the tablet we bought ($379) was a VP 10 it's actually a GTab10... the difference being the VP10 is a an Atom (Proc.) Based tablet shipped with Windows and Android 1.6 vs. GTab being an ARM/Tegra2, Malata SMB-A1002 Proto design hybrid running a yet fully baked Android 2.2 version... so this new section is for GTabs and the 2 tabs with similar names are totally incompatible beasts
I did try a search and found soem new interesting news for the VP10... it's getting 2.2 update it seems...
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f27/viewsonic-viewpad-10-android-2-2-update-coming-41795/
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I'm thinking about getting it today, first time seeing it, love the dual boot feature, was looking to either get the tab or a windows tablet, but now I want this, has anyone tried it out yet?
got one
I have a vpad10 (with the official froyo update installed) and can give you my experience...
First one returned with faulty touchscreen, second one fine, both suffer from dubious build quality (creaky joints etc). Screen is good, nice and bright and responsive (2nd time round anyway). Speakers are rubbish... my phone one's are better!
Runs windows 7 well, as well as an atom netbook (which it essentially is). Windows is surprisingly touch friendly, but not a patch on Android. Good for work though as still can't get goodies like MS Office on other tablets. Screen rotates automatically, but is more annoying than useful as I never use it portrait.
If you want it for Android forget it... Android is just a bit of a toy on an x86 processor... can't install all the Google Apps including calendar/contacts. If I keep mine I will probably change partitions to give the whole SSD (a very limited 16gb) to Windows.
In summary, this tablet is not the best of both worlds, rather the best compromise you'll find. Windows won't run on tegra chips, and Android won't play well with Intel (yet).
I'd be happy to answer any other questions anyone has.
I've been using my almost every day since I got it luckily for Christmas last year and love it. Viewsonic has recently updated Android so it can run 2.2 (Froyo) I would link you but I don't have 8 posts.
I'm use it everyday for my work and lifestyle.
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I have a vpad10 (with the official froyo update installed) and can give you my experience...
First one returned with faulty touchscreen, second one fine, both suffer from dubious build quality (creaky joints etc). Screen is good, nice and bright and responsive (2nd time round anyway). Speakers are rubbish... my phone one's are better!
Runs windows 7 well, as well as an atom netbook (which it essentially is). Windows is surprisingly touch friendly, but not a patch on Android. Good for work though as still can't get goodies like MS Office on other tablets. Screen rotates automatically, but is more annoying than useful as I never use it portrait.
If you want it for Android forget it... Android is just a bit of a toy on an x86 processor... can't install all the Google Apps including calendar/contacts. If I keep mine I will probably change partitions to give the whole SSD (a very limited 16gb) to Windows.
In summary, this tablet is not the best of both worlds, rather the best compromise you'll find. Windows won't run on tegra chips, and Android won't play well with Intel (yet).
I'd be happy to answer any other questions anyone has.
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Just pulled a Viewpad 10PI from ebay with Windows 7. I can't get it to boot into windows unless I have a keyboard installed. Is there a way to make Windows the default OS?
Thanks.
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Just pulled a Viewpad 10PI from ebay with Windows 7. I can't get it to boot into windows unless I have a keyboard installed. Is there a way to make Windows the default OS?
Thanks.
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Mine is the original vpad10, but sounds like your grub loader is the problem. Suggest reinstalling everything - android first then Windows 8 to get the fancy new Windows bootloader screen.
** To update everyone reading my original revue, the latest build of android x86 works brilliantly on this tablet, including all google apps and access to the play store. Windows 8 loads up but due to low screen resolution, will not load metro apps (unless you do a quick reg hack to stretch the screen - google it). After nearly 2 years use and a few drops, it's still going strong, good battery life, and upgraded hdd to 32g is much better.
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http://liliputing.com/2011/01/microsoft-next-gen-windows-will-run-on-arm.html
I saw this on some of the CES report too.
I use Windows 7 and enjoy it greatly. But I don't see it as being a tablet operating system. (I actually did use it with a touch/stylus laptop a while.)
But I use my tablets differently. And I won't be using them to do MS Office Work either (except maybe to read/preview.)
I don't know why Microsoft can't figure out that we use different machines for different purposes.
Rev
P. S. -- I didn't write this well -- but I think most power users will get what I'm talking about. One device won't do all things for all people -- not even those made by the fruity folks!
Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
Wtf would you want Windows on your gTab? You're not going to be running the vast majority of software on it...
I'd bet it's for the arm based netbooks
There is absolutely no vesion of windows that would ever work on a tablet device in the way that Apple Os4 for ipad and upcoming honeycomb are designed to work
Tablets are going to replace 50% of the netbook market (for the people who want something even lighter and do not do office type intensive tasks on their net books) and probably result in 1/3rd of the smart phone users abandoning their smart phones in favor of using a tablet (lower data plan, larger screen, faster processors...portable enough to keep with you tucked away some where when a lap top was too heavy). With wi fi springing up nearly EVERYWHERE, there wont even be a need for a month plan/3g/4g set up for 75% of users.
This is going to be a huge market.
Here is how i see it going.
The Google/tablet market is going to dominate in the same way as the Windows/PC market did through the 90s and 00s for the computer.
Apple with its walled garden approach will lose most of its gains in the tablet market and wind up basically in the same market share position it did when going against MS/PC on the computer front.
MS is going to keep pushing its "frankenstein" tablet approach trying to cram a windows OS that is NOT optimized nor designed from the ground up for tablets until it becomes AT BEST the PS3 of tablets (very powerful..the most expensive, with less support, less market share, and really having largly unused features and applications compared to the android).
To continue that analogy, Droid will wind up beig the "xbox" of tablets, while apple will be come the "wii" of tablets and (MS will become the "ps3" of tablets).
Going back to the PC analogy. Droid will become the microsft of tablets, apple will remain....well apple, while microsoft ends up in the category largely reserved for corporate/industrial/server users.
I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
Jim
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I think you all missed the "next Gen" part, I.e., they're not talking about an existing version of Windows on ARM, so we don't really know what that would look like yet.
Jim
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"Next generation" in Microsoft speak means "larger, more bloated, slightly more functional than last generation" or at least that has been the case with EVERY SINGLE iteration of MS releases since 1993 when i had a win 3.1 pc ( with the possible exception of win 7 which is basically win vista on a diet with less bugs made more user friendly.
Heck the entire REASON for win64 was to increase the amount of Ram windows can use ( my desk top now runs w 8Gigs of ram).
Win CE win moble never came close to whar ipad os4 is or what i believe honeycomb to be. The upcoming win7 tablets look to repeat history.
I am not saying you are wrong about win8, but if you are right, it would represent a fundamental change in the MS paradigm. SOMETHING i dont believe has ever happened since they ripped off apple os after they ripped off xerox.
MS has stated that Windows 8 will be their biggest gamble yet, supposedly with a more apple like experience.
I see no reason why Windows 8 wouldn't work on the G-Tab.
Microsoft demoed it on a 3 year old laptop last month and aside from a few minor bugs, it worked very smooth.
It will also offer multiple interface options such as a Windows 7 phone like interface as well as a standard windows interface so that could also be very handy if they can pull it off properly.
They also promised ARM process or support and with the dual core processor in the G-Tab (mine currently running at 1.5 ghz) I think I would find it quite handy to be able to run some Windows apps while on the road somewhere.
I'm quite confident we will see a port of Windows 8 for the G-Tab, though I hope they're also able to support dual booting so I'm not stuck with just one OS option.
It seems pretty optimistic of Microsoft to think they can pull all of this off but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt just for trying.
Just my two cents.
-Maj
I'm with Maj, but thee thing is will they make a ARM version of thee OS
A link you might find interesting: http://forums.legitreviews.com/about36766.html
More recent news article:http://rcpmag.com/articles/2011/09/20/analysis-will-windows-8-support-x86-apps-or-wont-it.aspx
Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
I like Windows 7 on my desktop, I have XP and Ubuntu dual-booting on my laptop, and Gingerbread on my Atrix and Gtab.
MS does need to realize that our different devices are used for different purposes and need to be configured and run differently for that. I do not believe they can make it all happen with one OS. You would need such disparate branches that they would essentially be different OSs.
U might be right. I know someone was saying that windowsce 7 was or might be similar since windows 8 is geared from window mobile phone 7
With only 512Mb it will run like a dog, even ice cream sandwich needs more then 512m to run smooth from what I read. Now that the new Nvidia chip being 7 times faster according to Apple, most tablet will be under power to run the new crops of OS IMO.
Way off base on Windows and it's role in our computing lives, and especially off base on what Microsoft can and cannot do. I have many complaints about Microsoft but they are FAR more advanced in mobile than they ever get credit for.
Apple took an iPod OS and made it into a phone and then a tablet. Windows mobile wasn't nearly as good a product but that was partially an attempt to make the mobile devices capable of running what they expected from Microsoft. Apple can get away with abandoning previous functionality (not so easy for them today with the share on tablets and phones) but Microsoft is expected to have that functionality.
If Microsoft would have come out with a capacitive touch tablet with the limitations of the first iPad they would have been justifiably booed. Not the same for Apple or Google who didn't have that legacy.
Windows on a tablet is a natural and will happen. Will it happen on out gTab? Maybe not but that would be more a function of Viewsonic and their ability to support us out into the future than it does with Microsoft.
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Im not a windows fan. I don't want to see another crummy version of windows especially on a tablet. I would rather see droid os on a laptop and oust windows altogether.
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You'd be a fool.
If you want a laptop or desktop to be a productive tool you need the capability a full blown OS offers. Android and our tablets serve a different purpose.
When my tablet gets closer to the capability of my netbook then we can talk about the future of Android.
(I do love my gTab. It works great!)
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Actually Windows CE was the only real mainstream platform almost 10 years ago on PDAs, like the Casio Cassiopeia. Touch screen, windows support for documents, etc. I could see this on a tablet, it wouldn't be a first. What I find most interesting is how Microsoft sat on their tech back then and let everyone walk around them on mobile devices in under 10 years.
In fact, I still have a working version of the Casio, overclocked and all. I should dig it out, it was a nice little device in its time.
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I also have a BE-300! They are a cool little device and it was cutting edge back in the day. The modding on that device was one of the reasons that I bought a gTab, I remember the fun I had flashing and hacking that device. I just ordered a new minolta np 200 battery yesterday and plan to resurect the old girl when it arrives (soldering iron required)!
As for windows 8 I think it looks like a fisher price OS!
Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
-maj
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Just as an FYI, I was checking out the Windows 8 Consumer trial download page and this is what they posted so far as minimum requirements:
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Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster
RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) (32-bit) or 2 GB (64-bit)
Hard disk space: 16 GB (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)
Graphics card: Microsoft DirectX 9 graphics device or higher
To use touch, you need a tablet or monitor that supports multitouch
To access Windows Store and to download and run apps, you need an active Internet connection and a screen resolution of at least 1024 x 768
To snap apps, you need a screen resolution of at least 1366 x 768
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It seems like the GTab is in the ballpark. And from what I read, it is indeed supposed to support ARM architecture. The only concern would be the 512k ram but I still think it's do-able.
-maj
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As I recall windows 7 also said 1gb was its minimum ram, but I had it running perfectly fine on an old pentium 2 with 512mb. But as I also recall, Win8 requires a version of arm the gtablet doesn't have.
The ipad seems to get lots of attention from DJs and in fact just got a new DJ controller from Numark, they get an iDJ app and an iDJ controller
is anyone working on anything like this for android?
with the gTablet and other android tablets being available at half the price of an iPad or better android could be an awesome DJ tool
I have used TouchOSC on my phone but on my tablet it doesnt scale to fit the whole screen
anyone seen any apps like touch osc that are made for tablets?
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The ipad seems to get lots of attention from DJs and in fact just got a new DJ controller from Numark, they get an iDJ app and an iDJ controller
is anyone working on anything like this for android?
with the gTablet and other android tablets being available at half the price of an iPad or better android could be an awesome DJ tool
I have used TouchOSC on my phone but on my tablet it doesnt scale to fit the whole screen
anyone seen any apps like touch osc that are made for tablets?
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you should contact dev of touchosc and tell them to upgrade their app for honeycomb support
From what ive seen on their website theyre not updating the android version any further.
I hope they do but its been over 7 months with no update.
I will keep hoping for an update but the iOS version has come a long way compared to the android version
is there anyone on this forum that is currently developing any kind of DJ software similar to traktor, iDJ, Serato scratch live, etc?
I know its an old thread, but anyway. As I guess few of you, I am one that miss some good applications for DJs & Producers.
There are tones of them, but none of them is kind a compatible with software on our PCs/Macbooks.
For exmple, iMachine - > perfect tool where you can start with project and finish it on NI Machine (PC & Mac).
TouchOSC is good, but it is basic designed (ofc, its free). I belive that DJs would pay for such a good app like TouchOSC for iPad
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Lta6pNSGT0 ).
There are few more apps I miss on our perfect Android machines, that we could have, but need to start first somewhere
I'm getting one of these probably in a week or so as with a custom rom it seems like the best 10" tablet that can run honeycomb in the price range I've given myself. Just curious to know if anyone has tried or given any thought into trying to get the Windows 8 Dev Preview up and running on this since as far as I've read it supports arm processors.
I've fooled around with the dev preview a bit via VMWare and it's obvious that it's optimized for tablets and would run much better on one.
Ok, just wanted to put this up here.
I come from the legendary HTC HD2 so I know nothing is impossible from win6.5 to android is huge
Do you guys think a port of win8 will be possible? i mean they said 1gb of RAM is enough to run win8... and 1.5GHz should not be a problem if Atom is 1.6GHz, since we can overclock it and stuff..
so, is it possible, or whats talking against it?
Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
On the other hand, there are developers who will try just for the fun of it. Will it be usuable to the general public? I doubt it....
Somebody tell Microsoft!
Hey this thing is already running a version of Linux, you see any ports to a full blown linux tablet?
Nice idea thou, the new Windows 8 looks to be finger friendly
yeah i know it will be a pain in the arse, but hey - some people like to do this just for the fun and recognition - you know, be the one who finally managed to hack win8 and port it to a android device.
its been done before, and i think many will be donating to help.
its a fun thing.. imagine dual boot
You could install Ubuntu on the Flyer, but for what , I don't know.
Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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There are a few reasons why it will never work, most of them people already mentioned
1. You can't compare a 1.6Ghz Intel x86 processor to a 1.6Ghz ARM one, the Flyer is well below the minimum specs.
2. Microsoft will not publicly release their ARM builds, they will only sell them directly to OEMs unlike the desktop version of Windows 8.
3. It's closed source.
4. If someone does miraculously manage to get it running (hey this is xda), functionality will be extremely limited as there is no legacy app support for ARM.
You could install Ubuntu like DigitalMD said and put Win8 on a VM in there.... doubt it would boot though and you would have to find chuck norris and make him round-house kick the lag.
From ALL of the Tablets on the Market, I have checked out ALL of them. The one that I'm the happiest with is the Sprint HTC EVO View Tablet. It's the LOUDEST of ANY & ALL Tablets on the market. Anywhere from a little bit to a lot louder. I know that it's just a 7" screen, but it has the best sound. I would like to get Windows 8 on the HTC EVO View Tablet. i hope that ANYONE can come up with a solution to this. If anyone can come up with a solution to this, then I would put it on the HTC EVO View Tablet ASAP!
It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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It's not possible. Doesn't meet min specs.
We installed it at work on an HP Slate that was running Win7, and it constantly freaked out about the resolution not being high enough. If a device that was meant to run Windows OS is unable to run Win8, it's not going to happen on an Android device. At least not officially.
And considering we can't get an ICS build running, it's a pretty good bet we'll never get Win8 to run.
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I have a slate 500. Did you set it to the higher resolution? Win 8 should work, although the screen is a bit off at the higher resolution.
A bit off topic, I know...
Well that was just one aspect of it.
We weren't able to set the resolution any higher then the max 1024x600. It just wouldn't allow anything higher. It *runs* but anytime you click/swipe etc it vomits error messages.
Still, so many challenges keeping it from happening on the view/flyer. It's a pipe dream.
Yeah this ain't gonna happen. Already got a very good , usable OS.
I"d spend my time improving that and creating better apps
Is it possible looking at hardware? Yes, I think so. The architecture should be fine, as there is an ARM version.
However, what do we need?
-Drivers for Windows 8, and if we want to make this work out correctly, we do need the ability to write drivers ourselves, which is a lot of work.
-A custom bootloader. I hope that, after we get ICS to boot on the Flyer correctly, we can work on a bootloader, as it would be really nice for a real tweakers-tablet, so there might be a possibility for this (not giving an ETA, as I don't know how much work it is and it will take a lot of time, don't get excited on this at all...)
And besides, when we can work on a native Linux-distribution, I don't think it's worth it to work on W8, especially because every way we get it running is not legal. Oh, and let's not forget the work it takes to get it to boot, as it would take quite some magic to get a Windows kernel booting.
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Technically, its "possible". But nobody is going to take the time to port Windows8 to the Flyer. Windows is closed source, making porting it over extremely difficult. Plus, there would be no drivers to make the hardware work with the OS. I'm no developer, but the enormous amount of work to overcome these obstacles make them infeasible, compared to simply buying a Windows 8 device (when they become available).
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and what do you think about windows phone 7 on the HD2? i believe it was extremely hard, but people made it
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Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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f**k you... don't write total bull****s here... it's not a noob forum. i didn't see any other complaints except people's noobiness.. they'll get used to the new controls. they're just awesome.
Naysayers always say nay. I'm amazed at the accomplishments @ XDA thus far and have learned never say never. I for one would love to see this happen.
Some people do things because their told it can't be done.
im using the rtm windows 8 right now i gotta say its pretty good ...early builds had issues but they did good quicker smother would be awesome if they could get windows 8 on my VIEW cuz its def built for mobile ...splashtop for now
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Read lots of issues and complaints about W8. Its a ubuntu mini wannabe. Its a nightmare on a pc and probably going to be classified as a cousin to vista. Windows is a mess structuraly compared to Linux, which is Android.
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Technically possilbe, but it's extreemely unlikely to happen. Especially since windows is in no way open source, and the flyer doesn't have that many modders.
I recently got a low-mid end chromebook. Gotta say i expected it to operate like android... it does not lol. Kind of wish it was regular old android... anyway to replace chrome os with an android version? I mean i know they got that androidx86 project because i played with that a bit a while ago... would it be basically the same? Stick it on a usb thumb drive and install?
Yeah kind of figured it couldn't be done, at least reading up on the tablet i have which is the Acer R11 , there's crazy stuff you gotta do like moving hardware pins and what not. Kind of wish they would just stick full on bios's in devices and stop trying to limit what we can do with devices we OWN.
Your running the latest Chrome OS 69 on the R11?
I've just bought an Acer 15 Chromebook and I'm impressed by how well the Android integration works.
It's a touch disjointed at times but still feels like the best of both worlds.
It's pretty much 90% of what I expected running Android apps on a laptop would be like without seeing it in person before I bought the device.
Yep, I'm really enjoying my Acer R11 CB5-132T-C1LK (Developer mode)! Have put my old Microsoft 10 notebook to pasture...