[Q] Will the Nexus S help the Galaxy S line down the road? - Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Does anyone think that there may be a possibility that with Google's using a phone so similar to the Galaxy S that it may help out further development with the Galaxy S series? Think about it - the Hummingbird is about to go mainstream as far as development goes!
I've bought a Vibrant in the past and ended up selling it because of the horrid GPS issues (even with all the GPS "fixes" and custom ROMs), only to find out down the road that I never use the GPS functionality anyways.
I have a G2 right now - I like it, but the hinge on the keyboard leaves me concerned about how long the phone will last. I tried the MT4G as well - I simply couldn't tolerate the interface and development for that phone is pretty weak at the moment.
The crazy thought running through my head is that since I never use the GPS anyhow, I might want to see about getting a Vibrant again. I'm not worried about 2.2 not having been officially released yet, nor about 2.3 as I know before too long someone will port it to the Vibrant - I rarely ever use stock ROMs for more than a few days anyhow.
So, all GPS issues aside, am I foolish for thinking that it may be a good idea to pick up another Vibrant?

If you're thinking of picking up a Vibrant why not just wait until Decem--wait, nevermind. Want to buy my Vibrant?

Mostly because I don't want to lay out the $500 plus for the Nexus S when I can pick up a used Vibrant for cheap or trade someone my G2.

No other thoughts on this one?

I'll trade you. The gps issues are gone. Long gone.
Only reason I want a g2 is because I love HTC it feels nice and sturdy and has a flash.
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BlackElvis79 said:
I'll trade you. The gps issues are gone. Long gone.
Only reason I want a g2 is because I love HTC it feels nice and sturdy and has a flash.
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How did u fix GPS?
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I really never had a "major" gps issue to begin with, just with the amount of time that it took to get a lock. But as builds have progressed ... JK* JI* now JL1 its just gotten to the point where I get a lock in 3-5 seconds INSIDE the house. Plus, I've never run into a tenth of the issues that alot of members talk of having here. I think its mostly on the user, not the device.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!

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How did u fix GPS?
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GPS issues are mostly addressed with the latest ROM's.
The accuracy leaves to be desired, but if don't place your life on it you are fine.
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Is it on the new Axura rom?
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No other thoughts on this one?
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Where are you located? I will trade my Vibrant for your G2.
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OuncE718 said:
Where are you located? I will trade my Vibrant for your G2.
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I'm located in Brevard County, FL. (Where the shuttle launches from)

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Is it bad if I trade vibrant for g2?

This is my final decision please tell me if im doing a right or wrong.
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No, look at specs vs vibrant
http://g2.t-mobile.com/g2-specs
The big issue i have hear regarding the g2 is its major hinge problem. But thats just what i heave read and hear, not from personal experience. Do so more research, head to a T-mobile store and check one out for yourself.
I have it is good
Hmmm ....
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I wouldn't do it personally. I hate physical keyboards. I'll take Swype and a smaller phone any day.
It comes down to what keyboard do you like and can you get 4G speeds. I can't where I am (they say we have H but i get the same speeds as all my friends with MyTouch 4's).
I think yea preferences
I will do it
For kb
Stock google
Stronger cpu
Love my vibrant but need a little junk in my trunk
Thanks guys especially tw and eugene and master
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Alanrocks15 said:
I think yea preferences
I will do it
For kb
Stock google
Stronger cpu
Love my vibrant but need a little junk in my trunk
Thanks guys especially tw and eugene and master
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G2 doesn't have a [fully]stock android system
Who cares? If you want gaming and movies the vibrant wins hands down. Other than that g2 is better. Both are about equal but what i said above about games and movies
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Also it comes down to preferences
Just like roms
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As many have said. If you use your phone for games and music keep the vibrant. I have the g2 and the vibrant and imo the vibrant has its downsides as does the g2. The screen on the g2 looks fuzzy compared to the vibrant and the speaker sucks! What got me into getting the g2 was the keyboard the long lasting battery and the trackpad...If you have any questions ask me and ill answer them
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the question is that do you want a keyboard??
so yeaaa if you need a keyboard then go with the g2 .there is no such reason trading your vibrant for a g2.
i had both, i say vibrant
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I have a g2, my brother a vibrent, and I say g2. My brother has sent his vibrent back 3 times so far. He has had it for 2 months. He also has bricked it many times (his doing I'm sure). I have yet to brick my g2, and I have swap many roms and kernals. His GPS is crap, along with his 3g. My g2 has everything his vibrent has and more. My g2 has 4g speeds, wifi hotspot( I even play mw2 on ps3 with no lag), a qwerty keypad, swype, 2.2 froyo, faster cpu, and a more true form of a google phone. I have my phone OC to 1.8MHz and my battery last all day with the help of setcpu. The Z hinge is not much of a problem, only if you lay on your back and use the keypad, but the way you hold the phone stops that problem. The g2 is able to do every thing the vibrent can and more but in the end its all up to you. Its your time and money, go to the store and take a look for your self.
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Your cpu is not faster. Its more efficient. And dont act like the g2 is that much better. In fact if my vibrant had 4g like the next one id suffice to say the vibrant was plain better.
I do like the feel of the g2. Solid and if your getting robbed it can defend your life. Keyboard is nice.
The 4"screen on the vibrant really is better to type with. Swype is better than the physical kep pad.
And last but best of all the screen on the vibrant smashes the g2. Your talking two diffrent generations of screens.
Roms cancel any os disputes.
After the vibrant gets 2.2 official it will be more efficient. And its still plenty efficient.
The gps in the vibrant is trash. Some work. Some dont.
The vibrant 4g will be a better phone.
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My phone has swype, I think an even better version. And we are not talking about the new vibrent. That's another phone.
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Bdix said:
My phone has swype, I think an even better version. And we are not talking about the new vibrent. That's another phone.
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Really? Lol.
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I'm thinking about trading my Vibrant for a G2 today. Is there anything I should know before I do? Is it easy to flash? What good ROMS are available? Does T-Mobile charge extra for 4G?

[Q] Atrix still bad?

so it's been a few months since the last thread regarding how the atrix is.
I currently have a Inspire 4G and I'm debating on getting the Atrix.
You own it, I want to know about it! What do you think? Should I make the switch?
The answer to your question is entirely subjective.
Was it ever bad? Debuted a super phone?
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It was good when it was locked, now that it is unlocked it is turning into a behemoth. Just wait until you see a polished CM7 rom on this thing.
it was never bad, otherwise this forum would be desolate.
If you are willing to unlock and flash custom ROM, its a beast.
If you have to live with the stock firmware, there's probably better options out there, unless you really hate 4.3 form factor.
put it to you this way the locked bootloader was why alot of people didnt care for it but the bootloader can be unlocked now and the custom rom train is going to pick up steam, as some one else said cm7 for one thing
It's better than the Inspire that I owned.
Don't listen to what they say in the Inspire forums. The Inspire isn't the best AT&T has and the Atrix is a lot better than what people think. It's a very nice phone.
Not trying to put the Inspire down at all--I just know because I've owned both of them. The Atrix beats it and the Nexus S that I have...
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Zbor said:
so it's been a few months since the last thread regarding how the atrix is.
I currently have a Inspire 4G and I'm debating on getting the Atrix.
You own it, I want to know about it! What do you think? Should I make the switch?
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Honestly, it was never bad. As a stock device that was incapable of installing kernels, it was good. I still found myself using my Captivate while the bootloader was locked. Now that there's ROMs and kernels available, I haven't touched my Cappy at all.
wow! I wasn't expecting that many responses so fast!
I want to root the phone, play ff7 (of course) and ENJOY the phone.
I put a custom rom on my inspire so I don't see why I wouldn't put a custom rom on the atrix...
Trying to get the inspire back to "out of the box" state so I can return it.
The only issue I have with the inspire is running fpse and ff7. little laggy at times. hoping the dual core will remedy the issue.
hell, it's the same price and you get more internal memory, hdmi cable, and a better CPU..
Zbor said:
wow! I wasn't expecting that many responses so fast!
I want to root the phone, play ff7 (of course) and ENJOY the phone.
I put a custom rom on my inspire so I don't see why I wouldn't put a custom rom on the atrix...
Trying to get the inspire back to "out of the box" state so I can return it.
The only issue I have with the inspire is running fpse and ff7. little laggy at times. hoping the dual core will remedy the issue.
hell, it's the same price and you get more internal memory, hdmi cable, and a better CPU..
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I've never had any lag on any emulator I've tried. I don't think I've lagged once in a game.
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Atrix is the best phone i've used, honestly. I wouldn't trade it for anything, except maybe SGSII.
Sure, it has some bugs and issues at the moment, but those will be fixed or bypassed eventually. Atrix has a great dev community.
People here there using the CM7 PRE-BETA for daily use.. And they are sh****** their pants..
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Paschalis said:
People here there using the CM7 PRE-BETA for daily use.. And they are sh****** their pants..
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+1
Get CM7 on this baby and she flys
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Yeah CM7s pretty nice. It definitely makes this phone 10x better.
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awesome. I'll get the phone this evening and start in on the hacking
btw, does the phone still get really hot?
BravoMotorola said:
Yeah CM7s pretty nice. It definitely makes this phone 10x better.
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I'm running CM7 Pre-beta as daily use right now, with a few minor bugs, and it is sick fast.
Zbor said:
btw, does the phone still get really hot?
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Mine doesn't ever get hot.
The only time mine gets warm is if it's hot outside and I use GPS.
Zbor said:
btw, does the phone still get really hot?
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The only time my phone gets hot is when I'm using it with the car dock, where it's charging, playing Slacker/Pandora/Google Music, and sitting in the hot sun.

whats the biggest problem you have with your vibrant?

Tell us your biggest problem you have with the tmobile galaxy s vibrant.
how would you change it?
Samsung/T-Mobile support an easy to break USB ports that's all overall excellent phone
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The USB port that's basically it. Also battery life sucks for me as well.
This phone was pretty well built other than the GPS sucking, but I don't use it that much nor do I actually have big problems like others.
We also need more love from Samsung so we can get a Gingerbread leak going
wonder why the usb ports dont last in these. maybe location?
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wonder why the usb ports dont last in these. maybe location?
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Cuz before we use to plug in the phones just to charge them. Now every time you log in to XDA (or your favorite Devs. forum) there is some new **** you wanna install in your phone....plug-unplug...oh I just found this new cool wallpaper...plug-unplug...new ROM...plug-unplug...new kernel...plug-unplug...new (you get the point). You probably plug-unplug your phone 10 times during the course of one day. Back then it was just once every 2-3 days to charge. Don't say they make them cheaper now, they just get abused now.
...Oh yeah, almost forgot. My biggest problem (besides not getting GB for the Vibrant) is that when I wanna take a picture in a dark place I noticed I'm missing that little small LED light that shines when you take a picture which most new phones comes with....what is it called???...oh yeah is a ****ING FLASH SAMSUNG! WTF what is a roll of the dice? "OK lets see which of the new Galaxy S devices is NOT getting a flash just for the **** of it...roll it"...OR.... "Sir, sir we forgot to put a flash on the one going out for t-mobile"...." **** them I have Verizon anyways, keep going"
**** lack of proper gps, **** bad usb (actually mine is alright so idk) but goddammit! Why the **** doesn't this have flash?
there isn't even a logical answer to that.
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Gps is basically it... my biggest problem with my galaxy S is the lack of a II next to the name. Honestly, i just feel crappy that i dont have the best phone on the market.
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younix258 said:
Gps is basically it... my biggest problem with my galaxy S is the lack of a II next to the name. Honestly, i just feel crappy that i dont have the best phone on the market.
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At least at one point you did
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hahahaha yea we do need flash. good response
One other thing not really problem but what is up with the hump I know yea can find smaller antenna oh yea an speaker on back so when lay phone down volume is lower plz put somewhere else but I doubt that will happen
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i dont really have any problems actually just weak wifi but thats not a big problem im still loving this phone
ffc was obviously planned then removed, maybe they planned to release a second version with it all along.... kind of weasel-ish if you ask me
"omg new phone! it has what we took out of the first one!"
My only problem is getting the gps to work. If I manage to get it to work flawlessly, I'd be happy. As for battery life, I've found the ROMs that do give me the best battery life.
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Flash and FFC, seriously what the frack T-Mo?!! Why would you take the best phone on the market (at the time) and ****ING CRIPPLE IT!!!
GPS was **** at first and still isn't the best but it works well enough for me after all the software fixed and I've never had a problem with the USB port. Knock on wood.
Jasonhunterx said:
One other thing not really problem but what is up with the hump I know yea can find smaller antenna oh yea an speaker on back so when lay phone down volume is lower plz put somewhere else but I doubt that will happen
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dude i love the hump, its sexy
vabeachfc3s said:
dude i love the hump, its sexy
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I'm not gonna lie it kind of is now that I really look at it lol but I would love a flat slim phone but it makes our phone unique
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Instability with dungeon defenders and plants vs. zombies. Gps. That's about it. Great phone. Great ROM available. Actually, using biffmod rom fixed gps and pvz issues. Now it's just dungeon defenders.
Small gripe, looks so much like an Iphone.
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Well..they are not giving us updates at correct times.
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For me the flash and gps could be better.
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[Q] would it be ridiculous for me to come back to this phone?

ok, so i have an SGS4G now, and i've had it for about a year now (since when it came out, not exactly sure how long ago that was ) and at the time of my getting it, i had a vibrant. i didn't know much of anything about customizing android phones at the time and randomly one night i was like "i wonder what i can do to hack this thing". so i rooted my vibrant but never installed a rom or kernel cuz as i said, i had no clue what it really was.
but my question is, would it be ridiculous for me to go back to the vibrant? i mean i LOVE my SGS4G, but there is so much more available for the vibrant. and i don't really use my FFC and i'm on wifi for a lot of the day so i don't think only having 3g would be a big issue for me.
thanks for your input.
well if you want to flash custom roms then the vibe is the way to go as it has more development going than the 4g.
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I had a SGS4G and I just sold it on eBay because their is just so many more options for this phone. The Roms that the SGS4G does have are great, but their are only like 2 or 3 developer's for that phone (who are awesome by the way). This phone just has so much more to choose from.
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I had a SGS4G and I just sold it on eBay because their is just so many more options for this phone. The Roms that the SGS4G does have are great, but their are only like 2 or 3 developer's for that phone (who are awesome by the way). This phone just has so much more to choose from.
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That's what in thinking
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I'm due for my upgrade soon, and am finding it very difficult to find a replacement that offers as much. Never mind development, new phones are just not hitting the mark. Either the resolution is piss poor (SGS2), or removable storage is missing (Galaxy Nexus), or there's no removable battery (One S), or no development or support (Blaze 4g) etc.. This phone offered everything when it was released, and now I'm spoiled.
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I winder if tmo offers any bonus for waiting to upgrade
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I agree 100%. I had a choice between a Nexus S and this and I chose this and never looked back. This is a great phone to learn on but also it is extremely user friendly and now with all the ICS ROMs and many devs coming back on one form or another, it should be a no brainer. Does that extra G really make that much difference?
That's my question really. And I also wonder how the battery life is on the vibrant with custom Roms and kernels and whats the best combo?
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Juls317 said:
That's my question really. And I also wonder how the battery life is on the vibrant with custom Roms and kernels and whats the best combo?
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You've already got that 1650mah battery from the 4g, and the Epic Touch's 1800mah also fits in the Vibrant, so battery life has gotten pretty good lately. Not to mention ICS ROMs, like AOKP, get very good battery life.
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Alright
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That's my question really. And I also wonder how the battery life is on the vibrant with custom Roms and kernels and whats the best combo?
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With Passion 13 RC1 and Ice Kiss Kernel 8.2 I was able to charge my phone every two days... amazing battery life... 3g always on! the only issue is that GPS breaks after deep sleep, so if you need that, it might be a pain in the ass..
right now I am using CM9 + SubZero Kernel #70. Battery life is not as good as the mentioned above, but it works very well. And GPS doesn't break after DS, as long as you get a lock once the system starts (first time at boot).
Lucio

How is the Vibrant?

Thinking about getting one. I know someone who has a t-mobile one.
Is it easy to root/unlock. I'd love to play with CM10 on it does it run well?
Other than GPS and intermittent 911 issues, the CM10 based ROMs that I've used run nicely.
As far as unlocking, you can simply download a free market app that will unlock your Vibrant.
For a phone that has been out now for.... over two years? It still hangs tough with the big boys in my opinion. If you have the opportunity to get one, my advice would be to go ahead and give it a shot. I think you'll like it.
You were just sliced bread before you were burnt by the toaster.
As my boy toaster said, this phone is the little android that could. Samsung and
T-homobile wrote this device off, never updating past froyo. Well the beautiful minds of cyanogen/xda community knew that the capabilities of this device was greater so we got cm7/GB based ROMs. The haters said this device wouldn't run ICS, the great minds proved that it would. Now JB ROMs are running smooth!! My 2 1/2 year old phone is running android 4.1.2, while over 90% of new phones are still on ICS.
If you find a vibrant for sale, for a good price, grab it!
** Make sure its the t959 3g, not a t959v 4g. The t959v has a front facing camera, runs 4g*, and comes with inception on it.
But the t959v only has a 4gb internal SD card vs the vibes 16gb SD card. It is limited because of that, not nearly as many people dev'ing for it.
**very easy to root etc if you read and follow directions!
No tickee, no laundry!
I always go back to this device after using much more expensive ones for some reason. I don't like new phones that lack microSD slot and transfer using MTP mode. My previous S3 had MTP issues that cause transferring to be extremely slow and freeze up midway.
This thing run JellyBean surprisingly smooth. GPS just need an easy hardware fix. It can playback HD MKV videos without problems if you're using the right software. The only lacking thing about this phone is the GPU which can't handle new games anymore.
Side note, I just rebought a Nexus S because my Vibrant charging port broke, but it's actually not as good. Has issue with slow USB transferring with ICS and JB that haven't been fixed since forever. The camera despite LED flash is not as good and worthless for macro and nightshots. I don't understand this, but for a Nexus device, it's actually less stable than the Vibrant with reboots with stock roms. Also Semaphore kernel and its manager app for the Vibrant has more customization than the Nexus S kernels.
With that said this phone is getting dated. I'm still searching for a proper upgrade, with 4-4.3" screen, removable battery, pentaband or with 1700 and 1900 3g band, microsd slot, a better camera, higher than 800x480 res, and Cyanogenmod supported. I haven't found a device that meet these criterias yet, the Blaze come close and just got CM10 supported so it might be better to get than the Vibrant at this point. Looking at new phones, some missing features of the LG Nexus 4 is more if a backward step to me than an upgrade. The S3 mini looks more like a lackluster attempt by Samsung to cash off their S3 popularity, I might had been interested if it had a higher res screen.
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i have t-mobile t959 vibrant which feels great to have. Yes I ran froyo for sometime since I was waiting for official updates which wasn't available till NOW. these guys doin amazing work getting new android versions on vibrant. I am running ICS on my vibe which looks great. no hassles. Yeah. It will run JB too definitely. **As samsgun357 mentioned make sure to get t959**
Grad a vibe n you will know what its capable of
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The t959 is way underated, especially with the quality of devs that have contributed. Cm10 is in progress, but thats the fun. Shes a honey bunny with a nice screen.
Ah I would donate mine, but its dead. I loved the vibe, it was an awesome phone. Now I got the gs3, and I miss hellybean and cm10. Get it! If youre to cheap, do some stripping for a few days
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Ah I would donate mine, but its dead. I loved the vibe, it was an awesome phone. Now I got the gs3, and I miss hellybean and cm10. Get it! If youre to cheap, do some stripping for a few days
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Hey koolkid what happen to your vibe? When you say dead what do you mean?
And what are you doing trolling down here in the vibe threads? Lol
I'm sure that gs3 is keeping you occupied. I'm waiting on the next round of nexus devices, hoping its more than just the lg nexus 4.
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Hey koolkid what happen to your vibe? When you say dead what do you mean?
And what are you doing trolling down here in the vibe threads? Lol
I'm sure that gs3 is keeping you occupied. I'm waiting on the next round of nexus devices, hoping its more than just the lg nexus 4.
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Im to lazy to do anything with my gs3. My vibe has bad usb port and im too lazy to donate or fix it. Cause im 13. And my parents are like that.
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iKoolkid said:
Im to lazy to do anything with my gs3. My vibe has bad usb port and im too lazy to donate or fix it. Cause im 13. And my parents are like that.
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Haha damn that sucks! So the vibe works, just can't charge the battery in the phone. You should get an external charger.
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Haha damn that sucks! So the vibe works, just can't charge the battery in the phone. You should get an external charger.
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Yeah. But remember the ASIAN PARENTS WITH DA MONEY SAVING IDEAS.
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Yeah. But remember the ASIAN PARENTS WITH DA MONEY SAVING IDEAS.
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Lol that's hilarious. They won't even let you sell the vibe?
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Lol that's hilarious. They won't even let you sell the vibe?
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Yup.
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Nice I wish it has 1gb memory
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