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Has anyone tried this with their Photon? http://www.verizonwireless.com/moto-bluetooth-smart-controller.shtml
Here is a video to see exactly what it does. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nurgwe20cO4
I bought myself this thing for Christmas from Verizon, and I am wondering if mine is defective, of if this thing just sucks. It looks so awesome, and more or less it works, but none of the multi touch gestures work.
This little track pad is supposed to support pinch to zoom, rotate, etc. In webtop it's supposed to support scrolling and other actions. But, it doesn't say it specifically supports them on the Photon. There are videos of it working on the RAZR. The bluetooth calling and answering work perfectly, which is really cool.
But the other problem is that it frequently disconnects for about 10 seconds, then reconnects. It seems to do it more when I try to use one of the multi-touch gestures.
The other con, that I think would be there even if I had a unit that was working properly, is that the mouse speed needs to be turned way up to use this thing effectively. It's too slow natively to navigate quickly around your big screen TV, and I had to swipe over the pad several times to move from one end of the screen to the other.
I still think it has potential. I was hoping it would be the solution I was looking for. Webtop watching Hulu on my big screen, phone rings, and I can just answer from my remote. Go back to watching hulu. Switch to mirror mode and play some N64 games when I am done, all leaving the phone docked. You can even use some of the voice actions to interact with the other features of the phone right from the controller.
Anyway, maybe some of your thoughts? Do you think this is defective, or the multi-touch gestures aren't compatible with MoPho?
That thing looks awesome. Have you tried calling motorola support? Keep us posted on how it works though.
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Not to be rude, but have you lost your f***in' mind, it's cool and all, but unless you're rich, or have hit the lottery, I doubt it's worth spending that much money for... You can get a Targus Tablet Keyboard for less that does the same thing, sans the trackpad...
I would have to assume that it would be compatible, it may be defective. It appears that the multi touch gestures are a part of the actual device instead of being interpreted on the phone itself. I can only assume this because it works on my Xoom, my RAZR, my wife's Thunderbold, and my wife's Galaxy tab.
And no, I don't think anyone has lost their minds, I have one myself that works very nicely with my RAZR and it was a sound investment given that I use it much like Bradleyw801 does. My phone stays docked, then I pull up Netflix or Hulu or whatever else I want to watch or do on the phone and still be able to use it as a phone if needed. I would say that it is almost a must for any phone with Webtop that will be used while docked.
Side note Bradley, check out a really cool app called Spool, it can pull video from websites for offline viewing...
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Not to be rude, but have you lost your f***in' mind, it's cool and all, but unless you're rich, or have hit the lottery, I doubt it's worth spending that much money for... You can get a Targus Tablet Keyboard for less that does the same thing, sans the trackpad...
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Hahaha, well, thank you for your opinion. I actually have a targus tablet keyboard, I bought it from Radio Shack back on my OG Evo. It's a great keyboard, but it actually doesn't have all the Android hardware keys working correctly. That keyboard is more designed for iOS devices. It's fine for typing, but I frequently have to re-pair it, and it's a little bit of a pain. If someone is looking for a bluetooth keyboard, I would actually recommend the Motorola Android Bluetooth Keyboard. I haven't been real happy with my Targus, and my friend has the Moto one. It's much more tailored for Android.
Also, you say "sans the trackpad", kind of ironic since that's literally the main reason to buy this. But you also seem to have missed where it works as a bluetooth headset, allowing you to make and take calls from the device while leaving your phone connected. The trackpad and mouse input are what I really want. I have a blutooth mouse, with a scroll wheel and everything, and when I am watching things from my phone on my TV, it's inconvenient to have to find a flat surface to move the mouse on. This made it so I could navigate laying down, with it under a blanket, or just in my hand. It's just much more comfortable and convenient. Plus, if I get a call, and I am super comfortable, I don't have to get up to answer it. I can answer it right there.
If you have never used your MoPho to watch content on your TV from either webtop, or the phone itself, this may seem frivolous, but if you have, then you can see the need for this.
I did call Moto, and they are as expected, pretty useless. They tried to walk me through rebooting the phone, and turning on bluetooth, and all of the really basic stuff, so I patronized them and did, but once it got down to the nuts and bolts, they were stumped and told me to return it.
I am going to take it into Verizon today and try to use it on the Razr or Xoom like another poster suggested. If it has issues there, then I can clearly rule it out as being defective. If it works on those, but not on my MoPho, then I may be back to the drawing board. Thanks for your help guys. I will let you know if I can get this working, as I still think it's something many people would care about.
I have one of these and the bluetooth keyboard coming. I'll let you know how it works on my mopho.
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I have one of these and the bluetooth keyboard coming. I'll let you know how it works on my mopho.
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Are you really that rich and that bored? Really?
I have HDMI out on my Desktop, never used it!
I have HDMI cable for Photon, too lazy to test it.
I have PS3 and 4 controllers, never used that either.
I have 2 laptop computers, I think they work!
I have gas stove, I think it works too!
I have 41" TV in Spare bedroom, never turned it on (matter fact, no sure its still there!)
I have 4-in-1 Game Table, I have not played one game of pool, Air Hockey, Fooseball or Ping Pong!!
Point is, why buy more worthless (and I mean that both ways! Not going to use it and it really is worthless!) crap!
EDIT: I have MoPho Photon, I think I can make calls!!! XDA, text, and internet work. Last actual phone call was 2 weeks (lying, operators called me at 3:45AM 2 nights ago. Phone works!)
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Are you really that rich and that bored? Really?
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Lol I wish. Luckily the only device specific accessories I've purchased are the car dock and HD dock ($78 together) so I'll sell those with the phone when I get rid of it.
The lapdock 500 (assuming google continues support), the moto smart controller, and moto bluetooth keyboard aren't device specific so I can use them on my Motorola Nexus
Alright so my smart controller arrived today and i gave it a quick 30 minute test drive and here's my initial thoughts:
FYI - I RSD'd a stock 198_7 SBF prior to testing. I did root it, but made no modifications, and the bootloader was locked so obviously, stock recovery.
1) Multi-touch doesn't completely not work as indicated in the OP. Pinch to zoom doesn't work, nor does rotate, but i've found 2 finger scrolling (in apps, in the app drawer, browser, etc) to work quite well. A little drag of 2 fingers up or down gives me a nice smooth scroll.
2) No issues with disconnect/reconnect for me. The mouse icon does disappear from my screen after a about 10 seconds of inactivity, but it's still 100% connected as can be seen by the bluetooth icon in the notification bar still being solid blue and going into settings shows the device is still connected. When i lightly touch the mouse pad, it wakes back up.
3) The OP was spot on with you need to adjust the scrolling speed of a mouse. Prior to turning it to "fastest" it took several swipes to move a couple inches. With the settings for the device turned up to the highest it seems to work just fine for me.
4) The volume rocker on the side of the mouse controls the ringer volume on the phone. Pretty cool.
5) The OP was spot on with the phone function also not working.
6) The USB charging cable that comes with it is the shortest, most unusable POS I've ever seen. It is literally like 4 inches long. No it does extend, no there's no magic involved .... it's just short and provides no purpose.
Final Thought - It's cool but not $100 cool. With it's current functionality, I'd value it at about $30. Once everything is fixed I'd gladly shell out $50 for it, and would begrudgingly pay $70 if I had to. Never though, would i pay $100 for it, even fully functional. Once everything works i could see this being useful if a person has and uses a lapdock and also the HD station. If you don't have either or even if you own them but don't use them regularly, this device is kind of pointless.
Hope that makes sense.
KSmithinNY,
Your opinion as an active forum member is greatly appreciated and valued.
Now, let me give you my opioion. You have too much Damm Money!!!!!
Told you not to get that crap!! But, if you lend me $30.00 (actual worth) I'll take the crap off your hands!!! (God, some days I kill myself!)
EDIT: Look for my "Things that piss off dsims7_2000" thread!
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KSmithinNY,
Your opinion as an active forum member is greatly appreciated and valued.
Now, let me give you my opioion. You have too much Damm Money!!!!!
Told you not to get that crap!! But, if you lend me $30.00 (actual worth) I'll take the crap off your hands!!! (God, some days I kill myself!)
EDIT: Look for my "Things that piss off dsims7_2000" thread!
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Ha ha ha I hear yah man. I'll keep you in mind if I feel like donating it. I enjoy participating in the community as much as I enjoy contributing so you might be surprised.
Send that crap to my crib and I will have you arrested!!! I'm the one that told you it was crap in the first place!!!
A question for you all, who already own the Sony tablet S. After the recent price drop I was thinking about buying it, but reading some online reviews, I've almost changed my mind.
These are the issues which can drive me on different products:
- poor screen brightness
- easily scratchable screen
- difficult rendering on certain websites (strange half page displays)
- problems with screen rotation: it often stucks
- poor battery life
- battery drains while the tablet is in stand-by mode
- low memory free space: just 3.7 GB available for apps and system files
- poor movie file compatibility: no way to play .mkv movies (Techradar says: "...anyone who wants to watch video on their Sony Tablet will need to spend hours recoding their files")
Have you experienced these issues too?
Is this tablet worth its (even reduced) price?
Thanks a lot for your replies. I really need them to decide...
Andrea
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430959
Why not read this thread, there you can find a little info on the subject.
"- poor movie file compatibility: no way to play .mkv movies (Techradar says: "...anyone who wants to watch video on their Sony Tablet will need to spend hours recoding their files")" <-- not true, I play lots of different files/movies on my tablet (including .mkv).
kryddan said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1430959
Why not read this thread, there you can find a little info on the subject.
"- poor movie file compatibility: no way to play .mkv movies (Techradar says: "...anyone who wants to watch video on their Sony Tablet will need to spend hours recoding their files")" <-- not true, I play lots of different files/movies on my tablet (including .mkv).
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Thanks for the reply. I read that thread but I could find there just a couple of answers. Nothing about the battery, for instance, which is one of my biggest doubts.
You will find flaws in every tablet out there. No one is perfect
- easily scratchable screen <-- mine isn't. No scratches yet.
- difficult rendering on certain websites <-- nothing I have noticed (yet)
- problems with screen rotation: it often stucks <- not on my tablet
- poor battery life <-- depends on what you compare with. What do you expext? I think 8-10 hours is good. Sometimes more depending what you do with the machine.
- battery drains while the tablet is in stand-by mode <-- tru, but don't all do that? and what do they know with drains, 4-5% a night? I don't see that as any real problem.
- low memory free space: just 3.7 GB available for apps and system files <-- you have SD-card slot that you can use for movies, music, pictures and other stuff. 3.7gb can get you pretty far anyhow. I manage with less that 400mb on my cell-phone. Ok, if you install a lot of ps-games and/or download a lot of movies (rental/buy) then yes 3.7 will be lost fast.
Hope this will clear up some more. Anything else? just ask.
You might want to go ahead and get the transformer prime...
At the current price of $399 It's an awesome Tablet.. I sold my Galaxy Tab 10.1 a few days ago and picked the Sony up.. No regrets at all as it is an awesome Tablet..
My .02
aaroncev said:
You might want to go ahead and get the transformer prime...
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The transformer t201 (prime) wa. s my first choice. But here in Italy it will be priced starting from 499 euro. I found the Tablet S at 318 euro. So, since I already own a i-5 Sony vaio as desktop replacement, i don't need too mobile power and the price difference is driving my choice.
I will get the tablet S
Thanks for the replies. I will get the Tablet S. See you in this forum as soon as I will get it with my first impressions.
Extremely happy with mine, and I have owned xoom, ipad, thrive and galaxy...
The ir universal remote control is pure genius.
You should buy it. My only gripe is the bright LED. Other than that great tablet and i agree IR function is unrivaled. I also own galaxy 7 plus and HTC flyer. Each have perks, but Sony is the bigger all rounder.
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I think you should buy it then. incredible price with incredible spec, i just order this tablet.
I've had my Tablet for a couple of weeks now (I got it the day of the price drop here in Aus) and I have been very impressed. As a previous owner of a Galaxy Tab, this is a pretty damn awesome tablet.
My screen still looks as spectacular as always, webpages always work (except for iPhone-specific ones, which get stretched badly) and the battery has been stupendous. With the tablet in standby, I've only ever lost a maximum of 3% over a whole night.
The video problems that site mentions are there on the stock apps (the stock Video Player seems quite picky), but can easily be circumvented with any of the apps from the Market.
I would definitely suggest buying this, even just for the IR blaster, which is amazing!
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Thanks for the reply. I read that thread but I could find there just a couple of answers. Nothing about the battery, for instance, which is one of my biggest doubts.
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Battery life: I've managed to get 8:30 hours of continuous play, browsing, videos etc on a single charge.
Multimedia: I've found a great combination: File Manager HD (can access files from the real sd card connected as well as shares from a windows pc) + VPlayer (plays all of my videos, mkv, avi & mp4 from the sd card or streaming from pc with no problems at all)
just buy the damn tablet already; you'll love it. battery life is great. screen is great. software is great but compatibility with market apps is not so great (for now).
I've looked at many tablets (and the overpriced ipad2) before choosing the Sony S. I think it is a great tablet and has many features that aren't offered in any other competing product. The IR is cool (works on most devices), the PS compatibility is another good feature although currently only PS One games are supported
Screen and brightness are good, battery life is very good (I have read a review that ranked it lower than the iPad2 due to poor battery but I have to disagree with that!
Had a few issues with WiFi but not all the time, when it happens I just turn off WiFi then on again and the problem goes away
For the price I would highly recommend it
So I'm very seriously considering getting one, hopefully I can get it for around 150 on CL, but I have some questions. I do plan on installing CM9, and will probably never go to web os.
First question, what is your battery life like? I currently have a nook color on cm7, and that thing can go forever without charging. Clearly, it is unrealistic for me to expect to get better or as good life, but I don't want to have to charge it every 4 hours either. So briefly, what is your battery life during use and idle?
Second, I tried reading through the development forums, and as far as I can tell, the only way to boot cm9 is to use moboot (or cyboot?). Am I incorrect in this assumption, or can webOS be removed completely?
Lastly, knowing what you guys know, is there another tablet that you would prefer for the 150-200 price range? I actually would kind of prefer something around 7", and was considering the acer iconia a100, but the locked bootloader, lack of development, and reported crap battery life is turning me off.
Thanks, everyone!
I actually came from a nook color as well with cm7 on it. I'm so happy with my touch pad. Its the best hardware out there for the money. When I got mine I immediately put cm9 on it and it runs so smooth. Battery life is pretty good but I can't say for sure how well because I'm always on my touch pad but it last me all day at work using it non stop for internet, games, and video.
I only know of motoboot and I'm not sure if you can remove webos completely. But like I said, the specs this thing has is way worth it and just as good as some of the higher priced tablets out there IMO.
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When I was playing a lot of Jelly Defense the TP wouldn't last a day. For just surfing the web and such you'll get plenty of battery life - just don't expect nook battery life (I also came from the Nook which I gave to my wife).
I don't think there is any reason to remove WebOS. Not sure if you can, but not sure why you would want to. If you keep your docs/music in the cloud then even a 16GB TP should have plenty of storage space for you - even with two OSs on it.
I don't know what other tablets are in the $150-$200 range other than refurbs and Coby-style junk. I have been seeing some name brand tablet refurbs coming toward this price range but nothing I would think that is better than the TP right now. The only thing I'd be concerned about is the supposed Google tablet that is going to be in your price range. Not sure if there are any credible specs out there yet.
The best battery life will come from webOS. While running webOS I was able to get over a week of standby, it went from like 90% to like 2% in that time. In android I could easily get a few days of idle, with seeing about on par for my phone battery loss, I want to say in the ~1%/hour range. I can watch probably 5-8 hours of Netflix on a charge, so pulling data over wifi, and processing hardware decoded video with screen on. I don't play games other than casual like draw something.
You cannot remove webOS. This has been discussed since CM7, and I believe the first response was something along the lines of webOS is nice, the devs like it, and there may or may not be parts of it required to run android. Tri-boot was discussed to run CM7, CM9 and webOS, but that never went anywhere. Moboot is the boot menu. You are presented the boot menu at every start up. After a pre-set delay a default will boot. Cyboot is a preware app in webOS to change the default OS and delay. Moboot is the only way to enter CWM. Reboot recovery only works sometimes if at all. And there is no key combos to load into CWM. I set the moboot delay to 1 sec, and don't worry about it. I probably power cycle my TouchPad less than once every two weeks now the ROMs have settled, so that 1second isn't much in the big picture.
For me the 7" size is too small, I use my TP for web browsing 90%+ of my use, so the 3" bigger screen is used a lot, and makes a world of difference to me. Because of my use I also stayed on webOS until CM9. I have a 2.3 phone, and a 10" phone that doesn't make calls didn't appeal to me. webOS has a solid browser, and an intuitive elegant user interface. So I ranked it higher than CM7. CM9 has been great. The browser is good, but tablet optimized apps selection is still poor. Google doesn't seem motivated to change that anytime soon, and you will have the same issue on any android tablet. My TP is a stop gap until W8 tablets are out. Given the price, and other choices in the same price range, I see no reason to get anything other than the TouchPad.
If you do get the TouchPad I recommend getting a TouchStone. That is the Inductive charger. You just place the TP on this easel, and it charges, no wires. It works through cases too. I use the HP official case, I was concerned other cases might not sit on the TouchStone as securely as the official case. It has a microfiber lining in the front that cleans the screen fairly well automatically, and protects the back from fingerprints. And the TP is a fingerprint magnet without a case.
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Awesome summary Quarlow.
I love my touchpad, and with cm9 i couldnt ask for more, i do leave webos on it because there are certain things like skype video calling that i will boot into webos for, but for the most part i never leave android. You will NOT find a better tablet for that price, battery life will depend on how you tweak it. I run mine overclcocked at around1.7ghz all the time and its super fast and battery life is great, if i want to tighten down the specs i can run this badboy 9+ hours without a break.
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So I'm very seriously considering getting one, hopefully I can get it for around 150 on CL, but I have some questions. I do plan on installing CM9, and will probably never go to web os.
First question, what is your battery life like? I currently have a nook color on cm7, and that thing can go forever without charging. Clearly, it is unrealistic for me to expect to get better or as good life, but I don't want to have to charge it every 4 hours either. So briefly, what is your battery life during use and idle?
Second, I tried reading through the development forums, and as far as I can tell, the only way to boot cm9 is to use moboot (or cyboot?). Am I incorrect in this assumption, or can webOS be removed completely?
Lastly, knowing what you guys know, is there another tablet that you would prefer for the 150-200 price range? I actually would kind of prefer something around 7", and was considering the acer iconia a100, but the locked bootloader, lack of development, and reported crap battery life is turning me off.
Thanks, everyone!
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These Q's have all been asked and answered here before, multiple times. The first 2 Q's have been answered, I'm sure of it, in one thread together even.
With the search function, I found this.
Read here.
Or here.
Or here.
Or here.
Or here.
There are more, but I'm getting tired of doing homework for other people. I haven't even had my coffee this morning yet. You can easily find them though too, use the button marked 'Search'.
To your questions, though...
1. Not anywhere NEAR what you can get from your Nook. CM's an Alpha on the TP. WebOS battery life is sensational, though...even on heavy use with wifi on, in webOS, I can go a week. In webOS overnight, when I forgot to turn wifi off, it sometimes doesn't even drop 1%. In Android, it could drop 5-8% if I'm lucky.
2. Correct. No, you're not incorrect. Why would you want to throw away your free insurance and risk bricking your device? Moboot prevents you (or noobs in general) from toasting their TPs. I can't understand why people ask this question before they get their TPs. It's as if you've assumed that webOS is terrible, but it's not. Like I said, battery life is awesome. I've got CM9 on my TP, too, but webOS isn't useless...if anything, it's much[ /B] more stable than Android on this device, better battery, and everything works. Bear in mind, that on CM there is still stuff that just doesn't work! Camera, H/W acceleration (sometimes, it works in some apps).
This question is like asking a car salesman, before you buy a car, if you can take parts out of the motor without knowing about it. Sorry if I sound like a ****, but this question gets old.
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3. No. But I bet google might...but no seriously, the Kindle Fire maybe. :confused
Thank you for the answer, guys. You've convinced me to get the touchpad. I do apologize for repeating questions you guys are sick of. The search function on mobile really really sucks.
One last question, do you guys think that 200 for a used 32gb is a good deal via craiglist? I read the other thread where several users said a fair price was 160 to 170 for a used 16gb.
Yes, $200 for a 32g is a really good price. I had a second TP which I put cm9 on and sold it for $250 on CL....within 15min of posting of it....
I'd try to haggle down from $200, but to be honest it's not bad at all.
I was lucky enough to get one thru the XDA MP for $130 (a 16 gig) and I am VERY pleasantly surprised with this device. I used to have a gTab, let me tell you, this device is a lot better, and it runs Android SO well, just fix the camera and you're good to go!
Battery life for me is awesome, with my CM9 setup I get a full day with moderate use, and I mean where am I going for a week that I can't charge it? I mean seriously who doesn't charge it at night? Like if I was going to be in a cave for a week maybe I'd get a kindle or something...
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I'd try to haggle down from $200, but to be honest it's not bad at all.
I was lucky enough to get one thru the XDA MP for $130 (a 16 gig) and I am VERY pleasantly surprised with this device. I used to have a gTab, let me tell you, this device is a lot better, and it runs Android SO well, just fix the camera and you're good to go!
Battery life for me is awesome, with my CM9 setup I get a full day with moderate use, and I mean where am I going for a week that I can't charge it? I mean seriously who doesn't charge it at night? Like if I was going to be in a cave for a week maybe I'd get a kindle or something...
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That's a really good deal! I ended up with a 16 gig for 160. Kind of unfortunate, because right after I bought it, another guy offered a 32 gig for 180. Oh well, I'm still very happy with my purchase.
Hi folks,
Seeing as though i'm one of the first people in the world to get my hands on the device, thought i'd share my opinions and some pictures compared to last years model.
This is the 16GB, WIFI only version purchased from my local Sony store - received 5 this morning.
I was allowed to test the model in the store first, initial drawback was the lack of a micro USB port. You connect the USB through the proprietary slot at the bottom of the device.
I've attached 3 pics of the device out in full sunlight with brightness turned right up.
The device is very responsive and almost lagfree - it's a huge improvement on the Tablet S from last year.
Price is indeed slightly high, but I think it's worth it to say the least.
For me the cons are the power/volume rocker buttons, they are quite stiff and a little far out of the body - quite visible, the other is the lack of micro USB port.
Best improvement is the location of the speakers, now at the bottom of the device, no longer have to cup my hand so it doesn't block the speakers. Looks like Sony are making more of an effort with this device.
Device is lightweight, has a very nice feel and finish to it - good build quality in my opinion.
The device is supposed to be some 20grams lighter but becuase of the aluminium casing at the back, it actually feels heavier than the Tab S.
Screen rotates in all directions. Ability to add widgets as a small app is awesome.
The general look of android on here is fantastic, I love the icons, fair few pre-installed apps too. Feels even better to hold in portrait mode. Feels heavier in landscape mode but lighter in portrait mode. On screen keyboard is responsive.
If you where like me and unsure whether to buy it - I took a gable and it's paid off.
Unlike the Tab S, i've yet to find any bugs in the firmware like the WIFI drop. Quality from rear facing camera is fantastic.
Infact - upon restarting the device, i've just received an OTA which adds more small aps, ability to install smalls apps distributed from Google Play, support write access to SDCard from applications by other companies. Enhanced clipboard function and supports progressive download from Video Unlimited.
This is after 5minutes of playing around - anyone want to know anything just post or send a PM!
My conclusion - I sold my Nexus 7 to part pay for this, did I regret it, not one bloody bit. This is a stunning device, i'd be suprised if it did as bad as the Tab S did.
Few questions:
How's the speaker volume compared with original S?
Any flickering issue while running YouTube or any other app?
How's the default browser?
In 16gb model, how much is available?
Gameloft's latest games are compatible? Can see in market?
Could you try PS3 controller, if you have?
- Speaker quality is alot better than the Tab S and the volume is quite a bit louder.
- No screen flicker.
- Default browser is a lot more responsive and smoother. Chrome is also installed by default aswell as the ICS browser. Flash included.
- Out of the 16GB, I have 10GB available, 80MB is taken up with generic music and videos etc which can be deleted.
- Gameloft games seem to appear, Nova 3, Dark Knight Rises, Modern Combat 3, Men In Black, Asphalt 7 etc.
Don't have a PS3 controller, sorry!
Can't see the PS Store that the Tab 7 had, thought that was included?
Swiping apps from the recent apps tab is very smooth, could almost be JellyBean!
Google Maps is smooth, I like the Walkman app and the Scrapbook.
Very pleased with the device, I really like the Sony native apps. Well done Sony, pulled of a stunner here.
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- Speaker quality is alot better than the Tab S and the volume is quite a bit louder.
- No screen flicker.
- Default browser is a lot more responsive and smoother. Chrome is also installed by default aswell as the ICS browser. Flash included.
- Out of the 16GB, I have 10GB available, 80MB is taken up with generic music and videos etc which can be deleted.
- Gameloft games seem to appear, Nova 3, Dark Knight Rises, Modern Combat 3, Men In Black, Asphalt 7 etc.
Don't have a PS3 controller, sorry!
Can't see the PS Store that the Tab 7 had, thought that was included?
Swiping apps from the recent apps tab is very smooth, could almost be JellyBean!
Google Maps is smooth, I like the Walkman app and the Scrapbook.
Very pleased with the device, I really like the Sony native apps. Well done Sony, pulled of a stunner here.
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Thanks, waiting for its release in Singapore !!
I can't see the app I saw in a Youtube video where you could fling tv programs off the screen and it would change the channel, it wasn't the remote control.
Thought there was a PS Store too for games or is this not PS certified?
I'll be picking this up this weekend. Happy with what I've heard so far. Sold my Tablet S today.
Have just tried playing a 1080p HD movie in the native video player.
Works flawless, didn't need to convert or anything! Unlike the previous tablet - good to see they've learnt from their mistakes, coupled with this, the screen is fantastic and so is the speaker quality.
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Have just tried playing a 1080p HD movie in the native video player.
Works flawless, didn't need to convert or anything! Unlike the previous tablet - good to see they've learnt from their mistakes, coupled with this, the screen is fantastic and so is the speaker quality.
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Planning to buy any accessories?
sent from the BEaST Galaxy S3
Wanted the HDMI cable adapter but it's 15£!
Would like the keyboard cover when released and I have the money.
This is a really awesome device.
Although i've tried logging into the Social Life app, but it just produces an error, grr.
Can you do a quick run of Antutu and Quadrant benchmark please ?
Also would love to see some sample photos taken by the rear camera.
Quadrant = 4422.
Antutu = 11463.
Pictures attached, I do admit that one was point slightly into the sun.
Looks good so far. Do you notice any significant improvement in the battery life?
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As soon as the device arrived, I charged it to 100%, it's been on for 24hr nows and it's only at 77%.
The battery drop overnight whilst on standby was just 2% - so yes, big difference, for me at least.
Is elastic scrolling and local search still available?
How bout WiFi direct?
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Hi there ..
Can yo give us a Specific informations about the Antutu benchmark .. ?
a photo with detailed score would be OK .. =)
Also , are yo a gaming Fan , and have yo tried any game .. ??
about the Lack of USB , I've heard it has a port on the Bottom which yo could use as an HDMI port , USB port , or a Charger adapter .. :>
look here :
http://blog.sony.com/tag/xperia-tablet-s
how is the Flash support too .. ?
Open this web page in your browser in the Tablet .. and click on download on step 4..
http://helpx.adobe.com/flash-player/kb/find-version-flash-player.html
It will open like a " hidden app " in the market which yo can use to download the flash player ..
Let us know how it goes .. and specially for the flash player ..
thanks ... :>
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As soon as the device arrived, I charged it to 100%, it's been on for 24hr nows and it's only at 77%.
The battery drop overnight whilst on standby was just 2% - so yes, big difference, for me at least.
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That is impressive if its with the Wifi "on" the whole time. No wifi disconect issue i presume?
Update..
of what I've seen, it needs a specific accessory " like 4 inches cable " to support HDMI AND USB port ( 2 in 1 )
Sent from my xperia Arc using a normal browser... : p
I just bought the tablet today.
It's an amazing unit.
My only complaint?
It's not compatible to ntfs devices. I bought the media stand with 3 usb ports and none of them read ntfs.
I called sony and they said because ntfs is owned by microsoft that android will not allow ntfs devices, which is a load of crap, but however, it's a great device otherwise. I tried the asus tablets with the docking keyboard and would have enjoyed keeping that model but they have screen issues which doesn't bode well with me especially when paying over $500 for a stinking unit.
I hope to root this device to mount ntfs drives, but for now will have to make due with fat32. I don't want to return it because it's exactly what I want.
Any idea when the keyboard case will be out and the cost?
I'd think about one of these if it has an unlockable boot loader and some devs hop onboard. Its basically the same problem I have with the new amazon tablets. I have a nexus 7 right now and I like it but I quite like how the tablet s has an ir emitter. Too bad my bravia doesn't have WiFi either. Couldn't afford it.
Someone with one should check and see if the boot loader can be unlocked.
I recently bought a used Xperia Active mainly to be used as a cycling computer (with the awesome app OruxMaps) and for recording my runs using Endomondo. The stock ROM was bloated with all sorts so after a few days it just had to go.
First I flashed CM10.1 but apparently the BT stack is borked on that so Ant+ is not working, so I flashed CM10 and everything works great or at least everything that I need. It connects to my BT x-fit headphones, BT Polar HRM and Ant+ B'Twin Speed and Cadence sensor without any major issues - the audio cuts out occasionally but I'm not sure if it's an issue with Google Music/All Access or a 3G connectivity or BT issue and haven't bothered investigating to be honest.
I've read that the BT stack in 4.3 is better and supports BT BLE which I might decide to use for fitness accessories - although reading about Ant+, it sounds a far better option for that sort of thing.
So, is CM10.2 likely to come to the Active? I'm assuming there shouldn't be an issue in terms of hardware, is there?
Also, if there are any fellow runners/cyclists with any app suggestions to motivate/record/map/etc I'd like to hear from you!
My setup as I said is OruxMaps for cycling. I tried IpBike which is not bad either, but didn't like the UI. I also tried a couple of other apps, but haven't seen anything that I liked. Apparently Cyclemeter is great on the i-Devices but their FAQ says: "We do hope to do an Android version of our app, but it’s not in our near term plans. We’ve had a great response from customers on the iPhone, and they provide lots of feedback for us about new features they’d like to see. Wish we could have said otherwise, it would be great to have you as a customer!"
OruxMaps uses MapMyTracks.com for live tracking and you can email the GPX of your ride to Strava straight from the app. BTW, I have no association with OruxMaps!
For running I have a premium subscription with Endomondo. I like the flexibility of the audio coach and I just noticed that they have a new beta feature on their website: 'Training Plans' where you enter your goal, goal date, number of training days, pace, etc and it creates a... Training Plan. Probably not as good as getting a customised training plan from a coach, but it's probably on par to the generic ones you can find online. I also export my runs and import them to Strava.
Regarding Strava, they have a much better looking website than Endomondo, and without a doubt the segments for cycling are awesome, but their apps are a long way from being great. Apart from being much less customisable, they only support Zephyr HxM and have no plans on supporting Polar HRMs. Apparently "there are connectivity issues with Polar HRMs and they want to give their customers the best possible experience!". I have used my Polar HRM with a number of different apps, phones and Android versions and it seems to be working fine 99% of the time, so I don't see why they can't support it. Also, it's hard to justify paying almost double of what Endomondo's premium subscription costs - but perhaps their analysis is better?
NT
Hi,
I can tell you to try the uBike.apk
For me is the best for cycling.
Regards
Joao
I've been considering buying this device to be used for working out as well, so thanks for confirming that Google Play Music will work on it! I'll be interesting to see if things get better with different ROMs.
Amazing! I thought I was the only one. I was on a year long quest to find the perfect (and better) substitute for the ever popular garmin 800 series. I do a lot of credit card touring, lots of country riding where I create the route using ridewithgps, DL as gpx and off I go. Oruxmaps has proved to be the perfect app for me when I'm doing any real riding/recording, and I use an app called Osmand+ if I'm doing a little bit more exploratory or want better navigation options (its got far better offline POI capabilities, so it helps if you get stuck in a rainstorm and need to find some kind of nearby shelter). I'm pumped to hear someone else went this route as most of my racing buddies are too high brow to get anything other than a garmin.
On a sidenote, I came up with a pretty incredible and simple (read: easy to do if you're a dummy with epoxy) way to get the male bit of the garmin mount on the back of the xperia so I could use all the low profile and cool garmin mounts. If you're interested let me know and I can give you a super easy step by step.
All that said, I'm really struggling to find a reason to root/mod the phone. I use it purely as a cycling computer right now (but plan to probably get my music on there too depending on battery life). It performs amazingly at this task as-is. Super snappy, the only thing I hate is having to look at the extra icons of the apps I'll never use. One thing I really wanted to get from rooting was the ability to skip the lock screen as that gets pretty annoying during a ride and potentially so I could remap the hardware buttons to something more useful while cycling (perhaps have it cycle through all the available apps? dunno, but it sounds cool). But, I found an app that lets you skip the lockscreen, so that major requirement has already been met.
Aside from the bloatware, have you found any nice advantages to rooting and putting on CM? Thanks in advance -
Rick
Hi Rick,
If is possible for you to send this to mu email acount ([email protected]) I thank you very much.
Regards
laquer09 said:
On a sidenote, I came up with a pretty incredible and simple (read: easy to do if you're a dummy with epoxy) way to get the male bit of the garmin mount on the back of the xperia so I could use all the low profile and cool garmin mounts. If you're interested let me know and I can give you a super easy step by step.
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Thanks for the replies guys! I was sure that there must've been other Active users/fans!
@optiplus Thanks, had a look and looks interesting! I'll have to give it ago!
@tartanblue @laquer09 What I found when I flashed CM10 was that the phone is snappier and the battery lasts a lot longer. Although I didn't do any scientific testing, with the stock ROM I would ride for an hour or so, leave it unplugged overnight and that was that pretty much. (no other usage, just on standby) With CM10 I was really surprised that it lasted a similar ride and more than 48 hours on standby. It's not a huge achievement in the sense that I have turned off all syncing, there's no Facebook or anything running, but the stock ROM has a lot of stuff running. Another thing that CM10 fixed was the super annoying flickering issue and also, at full brightness at CM10 is a lot brighter than stock, which seemed to go very bright as soon as I unlocked it and then dim. I checked the setting and it was not on auto brightness and tried with the Bravia engine on and off. Didn't work. CM10 fixed it.
I like having the screen on during the right to check cadence, speed, etc as I ride, so on the odd occasion that we were graced with a sunny day, increased brightness helped! Although I think OruxMaps has a setting to keep the screen on I use Screebl (I've linked to the paid version, but there's a free Lite version too which works well, but I found it so useful, that I just had to support the dev. I've been using it since the days of my HTC Magic - Oh how far we've come!!)
Also, as a stock Nexus user, Sony's software is just... revolting! Even the little things like the toggles in the notifications drawer is great. (and I prefer the CM way to the Google way... but what can you do?)
Having said that, for purely cycling purposes I guess stock or CM10 doesn't make a huge difference. Also, flashing the Active was a bit more complicated than I would've liked.
Regarding mounts, I got the xperia active bike holder from SportyPal (Review) and it's simple, solid and having the Active on it really looks like it's a Garmin. (when I read it back it looked like I was embarrassed about using the Active instead of the Garmin, but I didn't mean it like that!! Just that the whole mount+Active combo is quite diminutive!)
I also recently heard about the Finn and thought for 12 euros it'd be rude not to get one. When the weather is good I'd like to try recording with OruxMaps on the Active and maybe the Strava Cycling app on the Nexus 4 and see how different the results are.
Honestly though I do wish Strava pulled their finger out and sorted out their apps. How cool (and I imagine relatively easy for developers who are worth their salt) it would be to have proper BT/Ant+ support, customisable dashboard and segment notifier which would buzz to let you know that you're entering a segment!! And they would totally kill it if they added track creation capabilities on their website! But I'm just dreaming!
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Hi Rick,
If is possible for you to send this to mu email acount ([email protected]) I thank you very much.
Regards
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I can email you as well, but I kinda thought other folks might like to see this so I posted it up here. Let me know if you still need the email.
Things you need:
1. The male bit of the garmin mount. These are not easy to find because for the most part, the male bit is part of the plastic mold on garmin devices. However, I found this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006BACP6A/ref=pe_385040_30332190_pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_i1
2. Epoxy putty - http://spasandmore.com/catalog/quic...ts-to-repair-your-pool-spa-hot-tub-59502.html
3. A razor blade or hobby knife...something pretty dang sharp and fairly rigid. This will be used for cutting the male bit.
4. Like 45 minutes of time
What to do:
1. Take the male bit thingy from the package of stuff - image attached. Cut it around the raised edge. You can see where I cut mine in one of the attached images. The plastic was actually not difficult to cut, at all.
2. Score both the back of the xperia and the male bit pretty good. I used the edge of a scissor to do it and it worked fine.
3. Take out that epoxy, cut a bit of it off, and knead it with your fingers (basically, read the instructions on how to use it. I am not awesome at this kind of stuff and it was really straightforward).
4. Put the kneaded putty on the back of the phone, then simply press that male bit into the putty. Wait the recommended amount of time for setting (pretty sure its between 1-2 hours)
You're done. Go get whatever garmin mount you like (I really like the SRAM one that sits out in front of the bars, but you can use any of their mounts or the sweet looking barfly one.
Couple things to note
- I waaay overused the putty here. This was supposed to be my test case so I was overdoing it on purpose. Functionally its totally fine, but it is a tad ugly. After you plop the male bit onto the putty, you could probably trim a bunch of it.
- Scared its not going to hold? Don't worry, I was too. This is where that what-I-thought-was-completely-useless-lanyard comes into play. I actually put the lanyard in the phone and then ran the lanyard over my bars. I did this maybe for the first week, but I live in Chicago and I tested it using my cross bike / commuter over some really really really crappy roads with my tires at 110. I was pretty convinced after a week and stopped using the lanyard. And then I lowered my psi back to normal chicago 90 so my butt wouldn't hurt anymore Still, better safe than sorry right.
- One cool side benefit, among 100s of others, is the flashlight feature of the phone. Now, I just set it to strobe and turn it on at night...boom, no longer need a bike light
- Using bluetooth headphones and whatever music app you want rules. I didn't know how much I'd adore it before I tried...but having the ability to cycle through songs, albums, playlists....amazing.
- My xperia came with 2 backs...one black and one white. This, my supposed to be test case, is the white one. As you can see, it gets dirty. Might want to use the black one and maybe paint/marker up the putty so it matches.
Let me know if you've got any questions, and good luck. I could not be flipping happier about the way this all turned out, and my racing buddies are starting to get jealous. Lets see...a garmin 810 for 600 bucks, or a phone that has multiple options for mapping/tracking (free), can be your music player and emergency phone call maker (or anything else you can do with the android platform) for a whopping 188 bucks and maybe 20 bucks on the mount stuff.
Win
Rick
Thanks so much for posting this. I wanted to ask you in my previous post to put it somewhere like G+ or a cycling blog or something but I guess here is just fine!
laquer09 said:
I can email you as well, but I kinda thought other folks might like to see this so I posted it up here. Let me know if you still need the email.
Things you need:
1. The male bit of the garmin mount. These are not easy to find because for the most part, the male bit is part of the plastic mold on garmin devices. However, I found this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006BACP6A/ref=pe_385040_30332190_pe_175190_21431760_3p_M3T1_ST1_dp_i1
2. Epoxy putty - http://spasandmore.com/catalog/quic...ts-to-repair-your-pool-spa-hot-tub-59502.html
3. A razor blade or hobby knife...something pretty dang sharp and fairly rigid. This will be used for cutting the male bit.
4. Like 45 minutes of time
What to do:
1. Take the male bit thingy from the package of stuff - image attached. Cut it around the raised edge. You can see where I cut mine in one of the attached images. The plastic was actually not difficult to cut, at all.
2. Score both the back of the xperia and the male bit pretty good. I used the edge of a scissor to do it and it worked fine.
3. Take out that epoxy, cut a bit of it off, and knead it with your fingers (basically, read the instructions on how to use it. I am not awesome at this kind of stuff and it was really straightforward).
4. Put the kneaded putty on the back of the phone, then simply press that male bit into the putty. Wait the recommended amount of time for setting (pretty sure its between 1-2 hours)
You're done. Go get whatever garmin mount you like (I really like the SRAM one that sits out in front of the bars, but you can use any of their mounts or the sweet looking barfly one.
Couple things to note
- I waaay overused the putty here. This was supposed to be my test case so I was overdoing it on purpose. Functionally its totally fine, but it is a tad ugly. After you plop the male bit onto the putty, you could probably trim a bunch of it.
- Scared its not going to hold? Don't worry, I was too. This is where that what-I-thought-was-completely-useless-lanyard comes into play. I actually put the lanyard in the phone and then ran the lanyard over my bars. I did this maybe for the first week, but I live in Chicago and I tested it using my cross bike / commuter over some really really really crappy roads with my tires at 110. I was pretty convinced after a week and stopped using the lanyard. And then I lowered my psi back to normal chicago 90 so my butt wouldn't hurt anymore Still, better safe than sorry right.
- One cool side benefit, among 100s of others, is the flashlight feature of the phone. Now, I just set it to strobe and turn it on at night...boom, no longer need a bike light
- Using bluetooth headphones and whatever music app you want rules. I didn't know how much I'd adore it before I tried...but having the ability to cycle through songs, albums, playlists....amazing.
- My xperia came with 2 backs...one black and one white. This, my supposed to be test case, is the white one. As you can see, it gets dirty. Might want to use the black one and maybe paint/marker up the putty so it matches.
Let me know if you've got any questions, and good luck. I could not be flipping happier about the way this all turned out, and my racing buddies are starting to get jealous. Lets see...a garmin 810 for 600 bucks, or a phone that has multiple options for mapping/tracking (free), can be your music player and emergency phone call maker (or anything else you can do with the android platform) for a whopping 188 bucks and maybe 20 bucks on the mount stuff.
Win
Rick
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ntoqiakt said:
Thanks so much for posting this. I wanted to ask you in my previous post to put it somewhere like G+ or a cycling blog or something but I guess here is just fine!
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No problem - I'd love to post it on a cycling blog/forum if you can point me to the right one. There are so many out there...I've never actually joined any. I could also put it on G+...PM me your email address and I'll add you into one of my groups and post it there. Even though this solution was simple, it took me a darn long time to come up with and I'd love to save folks the time/effort/money/despair.
FWIW, I used it on a 60mi custom route I made this weekend and it was friggin flawless. Not a single missed turn and the route was perfect. I've recently started listening to music using it via my BT headphones. That is so much win I can barely handle it.
Rick
ntoqiakt said:
I recently bought a used Xperia Active mainly to be used as a cycling computer (with the awesome app OruxMaps) and for recording my runs using Endomondo. The stock ROM was bloated with all sorts so after a few days it just had to go.
First I flashed CM10.1 but apparently the BT stack is borked on that so Ant+ is not working, so I flashed CM10 and everything works great or at least everything that I need. It connects to my BT x-fit headphones, BT Polar HRM and Ant+ B'Twin Speed and Cadence sensor without any major issues - the audio cuts out occasionally but I'm not sure if it's an issue with Google Music/All Access or a 3G connectivity or BT issue and haven't bothered investigating to be honest.
NT
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Hello,
at the begining i would like say "hello" im new member on xda so BTW...
I'm looking for CM10 working with SE Xperia Active ST17I.
I saw that upgrade was succesfull.
Could You tell me where download (all links "died") or share package of working files to upgrade Xperia Active to CM10 and android 4.1.2?
I ve upgraded xperia to 4.0.4 and I would like try highest version of software. It is great device for active Cyclists.
Please help. Thank You for reply :good:
Regards