I was just wondering, is the 2.3 update Motorola dependent or carrier dependent?
The Atrix isn't selling too well here in Canada and if it's bell who has the final say on the update... I think ill just return my Atrix
who told you the atrix isnt selling well in canada?
(just asking because afaik its selling quite well for a high end phone.)
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who told you the atrix isnt selling well in canada?
(just asking because afaik its selling quite well for a high end phone.)
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Yea The atrix is selling really good in Canada. Who told you it wasn't?
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Yea The atrix is selling really good in Canada. Who told you it wasn't?
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Maybe he assumes since they cut the price by $100 (on contract) in the first week it is because of slow sales.
NOTE: checking their website again it looks like its back up to $169. I wonder what was with the temp price drop. Oh well, saved me $100.
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Maybe he assumes since they cut the price by $100 (on contract) in the first week it is because of slow sales.
NOTE: checking their website again it looks like its back up to $169. I wonder what was with the temp price drop. Oh well, saved me $100.
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well $69 dollars for three years. THREE YEARS sometimes phones in America go for that price but for 2 years. I think it is overpriced at $169 for 3 years.
Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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It was sold out at my local Bell store.
Edit : and I live in Toronto as well. maybe the stores your going to aren't the ones that are selling well in general, ask them how many Desire Z's they sold?
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Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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I think the reason they dropped the price was because the day it came out, they dropped all the other smartphones to $0 except for the iPhone 4. Now if you're a customer coming into a Bell store not knowing much about the Atrix, those other phones are impossible to pass up "Hmm, $0 or $169. Wow that HD7 has a huge screen and it's $0. I'll take that one!". Bad marketing by Bell, nothing more
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Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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maybe bell is trying to get people to to sign a 3 year contract, its called marketing, contracts are worth much more than the $100 they are discounting. do you know how many stores in toronto is selling the atrix? theres no way to guess how many are sold based on visiting 5 stores and asking the employee...have you considered they were not telling you the truth, ive been to a few bell stores where their employees are apple fanboys that were trying to only push the iphone to customers.
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maybe bell is trying to get people to to sign a 3 year contract, its called marketing, contracts are worth much more than the $100 they are discounting. do you know how many stores in toronto is selling the atrix? theres no way to guess how many are sold based on visiting 5 stores and asking the employee...have you considered they were not telling you the truth, ive been to a few bell stores where their employees are apple fanboys that were trying to only push the iphone to customers.
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5 stores that I randomly choose that has terrible sales? That's a pretty slim chance.
Anyways, thats not important. I went to return it today and apparently bell won't let me because I've exceeded 50mb of data usage. Even the Futureshop salesman was shocked to find out about this. They told me to go back tomorrow morning to speak with a full time salesman and figure things out there...
I hope I can return this phone and cancel this contract...
When I got my Atrix in the period of time I was in the store 3 other people came in and bought it as well so I wouldn't call that bad sales. Plus I know 4 other people that are going to pick one up.
As for the contract, under Canadian law you have 14 days to suffer from buyers remorse and get out of any contract. For your phone, when I signed up for it I was told I had 14 days or 30 minutes of talk time to return it and nothing about data use, so I wish you the best of luck for that part.
I'm in vancouver and as I was buying mine, this 60+ year old lady comes in and buys one... I was blown away... I asked her if this was her first android device and she said she owned a magic before. I was impressed.
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I was just wondering, is the 2.3 update Motorola dependent or carrier dependent?
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I think it depends more on Motorola, the carrier just pushes it to you when its done.
The Guy at the corner store has sold 30 Bell atrix, 12 iPhones & 2 chocolate doughnuts this month. The iPhone is clearly starting to fail.
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im no iphone fan, but that isn't a clear indication as its a device that has been there for months.
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Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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5 stores that I randomly choose that has terrible sales? That's a pretty slim chance.
Anyways, thats not important. I went to return it today and apparently bell won't let me because I've exceeded 50mb of data usage. Even the Futureshop salesman was shocked to find out about this. They told me to go back tomorrow morning to speak with a full time salesman and figure things out there...
I hope I can return this phone and cancel this contract...
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You're exaggerating now, because you were initially wrong.
In any event, even if you're correct (which you're not, I know direct and indirect dealers in your market), you're only talking about 1 market which you're wrong about anyway.
And yes, updates are released by carriers and are subject to their approval/branding/pollution. This matter changes if the phone's bootloader becomes cracked and capable of loading different ROMs however.
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Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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I can find this phone in stock anywhere in Downtown Toronto in any types of Store(Bell, FutureShop, Bestbuy, Source or whatever)
Man, Bell representatives are so clueless sometimes. There are no restrictions on data usage for smartphones but the first 2 bell ppl kept insisting there was a 50mb limit. I just wasted the whole day trying to get this sorted out. Finally the third person agreed with me and said that the previous 2 thought the Atrix was a tablet. WTF??
Anyways, phone's returned and everything, I feel so relieved now. I had to think real hard about this phone. Then I realized, if I had to think this hard then obviously I wasn't satisfied with it.
That was my first smartphone and I was not impressed with android. Maybe I just expected too much. I did love the fact that I can download mp3's for free and watch flash videos, but there was a key piece missing which was crucial to me. The overall user interface was not fluid like the Iphones are. I would hit the home button and it would sometimes work. Then when I tap it again, the phone would register everything in the queue 2 seconds later. I know some people are ok with this, I am not. I got a high end phone and I expect the same as I do with a high end PC, not lag on current generation software.
When Android irons out these issues out then maybe I'll consider using android again. I think fragmentation really hinders android just like it did for PCs (still does to a degree?).
Sorry for the rant, Futureshop/Bell really pissed me off today.
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I can find this phone in stock anywhere in Downtown Toronto in any types of Store(Bell, FutureShop, Bestbuy, Source or whatever)
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idk man, when I went to returned mine. The same number of boxes of Atrix was still sitting behind the counter. I don't see how this phone would appeal to the average consumer who could care less about the specs.
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Man, Bell representatives are so clueless sometimes. There are no restrictions on data usage for smartphones but the first 2 bell ppl kept insisting there was a 50mb limit. I just wasted the whole day trying to get this sorted out. Finally the third person agreed with me and said that the previous 2 thought the Atrix was a tablet. WTF??
Anyways, phone's returned and everything, I feel so relieved now. I had to think real hard about this phone. Then I realized, if I had to think this hard then obviously I wasn't satisfied with it.
That was my first smartphone and I was not impressed with android. Maybe I just expected too much. I did love the fact that I can download mp3's for free and watch flash videos, but there was a key piece missing which was crucial to me. The overall user interface was not fluid like the Iphones are. I would hit the home button and it would sometimes work. Then when I tap it again, the phone would register everything in the queue 2 seconds later. I know some people are ok with this, I am not. I got a high end phone and I expect the same as I do with a high end PC, not lag on current generation software.
When Android irons out these issues out then maybe I'll consider using android again. I think fragmentation really hinders android just like it did for PCs (still does to a degree?).
Sorry for the rant, Futureshop/Bell really pissed me off today.
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Are you serious, One of the reasons you wanted Android was to pirate songs. Disappointed
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idk man, when I went to returned mine. The same number of boxes of Atrix was still sitting behind the counter. I don't see how this phone would appeal to the average consumer who could care less about the specs.
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They probably sold them and those were the ones that they are currently selling.
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Figures are not definitive but just a observation. I have a friend who is a district manager for a few Sprint stores in the Tri-State area of PA, DE & NJ where I live. Not corporate stores, but those authorized retail stores. A few of his stores reside in some of the more popular shopping malls in the area. Anyway I was at one of the stores yesterday picking up a new battery for my Epic & I asked how the 3D was selling compared to the Evo 4G & he said they weren't selling anywhere close to how the OG Evo did last year. Not even that many people coming in asking for it. He said a couple of the stores still had original stock from release day, where as last year they couldn't keep them in any of the stores. He also said that he has seen more returns for the phone also. Not for the locked bootloader but other reasons. So that magic number of 10%, that people around here keep tossing around as the percentage of people who actually want a unlocked bootloader may be actually higher when you factor in that the phone isn't selling like Sprint/HTC thought. Like I said in the begining, none of this is definitive, just a observation from a friend who is in the know, at least at the 10 or more stores he oversees.
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I dont think the bootloader has much if anything to do with it. The reason is simple really.. when the Evo came out last year it was the first and only of its kind. There werent any other 4G phones out with the massive screen. It took the other carriers a while to catch up but now you have Tmobile with its own Sensation, Verizon with its own Thunderbolt, Charge, Iphone and soon to be Bionic. AT&T with its own Infuse, Inspire, Atrix, Captivate, etc. So the Evo doesnt really have anywhere near as much luster now as it did a year ago. Add to that the fact that a ton of people are still locked into contracts and there's your answer.
I knew they didnt expect sales to be big when they allowed employees to get the phone only 3 days after it released so im really not surprised and I dont think they are either.
If anyone actually thought the 3d would sell better then the og EVO is dilusional.
The 3d wasn't as heavily marketed and hyped like the OG EVO also. And yea the EVO was first of its kind.
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I dont think the bootloader has much if anything to do with it. The reason is simple really.. when the Evo came out last year it was the first and only of its kind. There werent any other 4G phones out with the massive screen. It took the other carriers a while to catch up but now you have Tmobile with its own Sensation, Verizon with its own Thunderbolt, Charge, Iphone and soon to be Bionic. AT&T with its own Infuse, Inspire, Atrix, Captivate, etc. So the Evo doesnt really have anywhere near as much luster now as it did a year ago. Add to that the fact that a ton of people are still locked into contracts and there's your answer.
I knew they didnt expect sales to be big when they allowed employees to get the phone only 3 days after it released so im really not surprised and I dont think they are either.
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I totally agree. Back then the Droid and EVO where really the only ones that stood out...now the rest of the others played catch up, and the field is scattered with selection of phones that are nearly identical to the OG EVO. Now we have a huge selection of them AND we still have the OG EVO. Sales are good..nbut not nearly the amount of the original. Also...how many really have the cash to upgrade. If they do not have full upgrade? I mean...contracts are 2 years and many of them still have another year or so to go. I still have mine left with 14. Months to go. I paid cash for. mine and after I sell my OG EVO still cost me money. But I did not use a upgrade..beings I do not have one. My 2 cents worth
The EVO was under produced. That's why everyone was sold out...
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I hate to finally admit it, but my 2 3D's are going back tonight. I love the phone, We are taking them back simply because the data from Sprint in the Buffalo area is unusable - Web pages take minutes to load, cant stream radio, etc ...
All Sprint can tell me locally is 4G towers should be up by the end of the year - but by that point Ill be locked into a contract and if they fail to upgrade, Ill be stuck.
I hate that the return will reflect on the phone due to a return, but its not the phone in our case.
life64x said:
I totally agree. Back then the Droid and EVO where really the only ones that stood out...now the rest of the others played catch up, and the field is scattered with selection of phones that are nearly identical to the OG EVO. Now we have a huge selection of them AND we still have the OG EVO. Sales are good..nbut not nearly the amount of the original. Also...how many really have the cash to upgrade. If they do not have full upgrade? I mean...contracts are 2 years and many of them still have another year or so to go. I still have mine left with 14. Months to go. I paid cash for. mine and after I sell my OG EVO still cost me money. But I did not use a upgrade..beings I do not have one. My 2 cents worth
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Sprint would have given you an upgrade if you would have asked for one.
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Don't forget that alot of evo4g users are in a 2yr contract and probably weren't aware of the option to upgrade to the 3d for a limited time. Also the evo4g may be enough phone for a lot of people as well.
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Consider also the fact that those who got the 4G are still on the 2 year contract. Those who actually lurk these boards may have taken advantage of the upgrade reset.
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Sprint would have given you an upgrade if you would have asked for one.
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I did....many, many times...at corporate stores..private ones and online. Then I figured...it was not worth to lose it. And the upgrade was just as expensive as to purchase one...400 for the evo 3d..subtract 250 for my old evo...150 dollars. I started with sprint nov of last year. 150 was just right to get me in.
Chuki82 said:
Don't forget that alot of evo4g users are in a 2yr contract and probably weren't aware of the option to upgrade to the 3d for a limited time. Also the evo4g may be enough phone for a lot of people as well.
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My thoughts exactly.
PensFan66 said:
I hate to finally admit it, but my 2 3D's are going back tonight. I love the phone, We are taking them back simply because the data from Sprint in the Buffalo area is unusable - Web pages take minutes to load, cant stream radio, etc ...
All Sprint can tell me locally is 4G towers should be up by the end of the year - but by that point Ill be locked into a contract and if they fail to upgrade, Ill be stuck.
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Where are you having trouble with the service? I moved from Buffalo not too long ago and I got great service from Sprint there. I used to live just off Hertel near Military and never had any issues. Really the only places that I didn't get good service were east of the zoo, and out past Amherst.
Anyway, on topic... Of course they didn't sell as well, as everyone else has stated, they just aren't as "wow" as they were last year. Many people also just simply don't have the full upgrade yet, and aren't willing to pay the extra money.
Your friend who is in the know? Lol. Does he go around to the stores? Or does he just tell the managers what to do? Try asking someone who spends a lot of time in the stores...
I have to disagree on some of those points. I never said the bootloader had anything to do with it. I said that the supposed number of 10% of people who want a unlocked bootloader is a lot larger when you figure in that the phone hasn't sold a lot of units. I don't think people being locked into contracts had much to do with it. The Hero and Moment were big sellers and a lot of people upgraded from those phones to the Evo which came out barely a year later. (Hero - Oct. '09/Moment - Nov. '09/Evo 4G - June '10) And if you don't think that HTC/Sprint anticipated this being a big seller you are being foolish. What company doesn't bank on following a successful phone with another one? You think Apple goes into production assuming that the next iPhone isn't gonna sell at least the same amount if not more than the previous version? If that was the case why spend the money to develop and put in a new processor, GPU, screen, 3D camera, more RAM....Why even call it the Evo? You include all of those new features and call it the Evo hoping to bank on the name and success of the OG Evo IMO. I mean I'm no business major but that sounds like good business to me.
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Your friend who is in the know? Lol. Does he go around to the stores? Or does he just tell the managers what to do? Try asking someone who spends a lot of time in the stores...
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Actually he does a lot of travelling. I usually call or text him when I have a problem to see which store he is gonna be in and what time. If he is gonna be out of the area he usually lets the tech/sales person at the store nearest to me to expect my visit.
this is true bc i was conversing, friendly btw, with the girl at the sprint store i went to. long story short, i asked about reservation amounts. She said the Evo tore this phone apart in first day sales, not even close. Anyways to add a funny note, she goes okay im going to update your phone with this OTA. Im like no i dont want it thank you. Shes like why are you going to root it? I was like oh man if only my girl was interested in this stuff lol, na jk. But it was pretty cool to meet someone like that.
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Actually he does a lot of travelling. I usually call or text him when I have a problem to see which store he is gonna be in and what time. If he is gonna be out of the area he usually lets the tech/sales person at the store nearest to me to expect my visit.
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I need a friend at a Sprint store. Any Sprint employee's in NC want to be my friend
So he doesn't sell... he does a lot of traveling... spends his time in a care or whatever he uses to travel. He looks at reports and goes around to make sure people are in uniform, the stores are clean and addresses any concerns with employees. I'd say less than 10% even know what a bootloader is... you're wrong, he's wrong, stupid thread that has nothing to do with anything. You just think you're right because you think he's "in the know"... Come on now...
There are more returns on the 3D? False.
4G outsold the 3D in mass numbers? True.
So let's say 30 - Evo 4G's were sold in a month and let's estimate that there is a 1 in 9 return rate... do you're at approximately... 3. So around 10%...
Let's say 10 - Evo 3D's sold in a month... and to be honest, I'm making these numbers up. But I can personally say that I've never seen one returned... So that makes it 0%. Maybe 1 might be returned in the next week and a half... but there's nothing proving that there are more returns...
No one in this thread, including myself has provided any sources for numbers. Everyone is pulling numbers out their asses.
Not a single 3D has been returned at the store I work at. That's a actual number. 0.
How many went out, I can't say. But I can say release day stock was sold out and fulfilled by pre-orders within a hour of store opening.
We've been lucky to keep 1-2 in stock.
and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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So u felt a lag?
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So u felt a lag?
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yeah i did, but not much. i don't want ppl on here to go crazy denial on me like they did on my other post. lol
but i did feel it. but then again, i had my SGS2 oc'd to 1.5ghz. so it blew it away.
but at 1.2ghz, it was nearly the same. OG SGS2 a "little" faster.
but i was impressed. even though it has the same res as the SGS2, the screen wasn't horrible. put it like this: if you live in an LTE market and DONT have an OG SGS2 already, i'd get it. honestly.
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Even in non-LTE markets? That seems doubtful to kill your flagship after a month. They still sell terrible phones, why stop selling the arguable best phone you offer?
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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What is "OG" sgs2? Original?
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yeah OG is the original.
and dude idk!
i have no idea why they are going to stop selling it. it's messed up and we were all shocked about it.
they're even going to stop selling the atrix 2(which isn't great) but you get me?
i think it could only be in LTE markets, but still, it's the best phone we offer.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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whoa lol i work for best buy mobile and we haven't heard that yet if thats true damn haha can't wait to get my skyrocket
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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Does the lte sgs2 have an fm radio?
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
Rrryan2 said:
This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
They don't sell the OG S2 in California corporate stores, but I don't know if the Skyrocket is the reason.
No its not. Corporate stores will only order them for you. But starting this wknd even that is going to be to an end. :/
It already sucked that they never sold em in stores. Well, corporate stores. Lol.
I've learned to be very clear around here.
Maybe they're just taking their original SGS2's and replacing them with their new LTE chip, so that way, they're not necessarily restocking or anything...
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd like to see this documentation.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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I can confirm this as well. My rep told me the same thing, the SGS2 is selling very well for AT&T and there are no plans to stop selling it.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
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I'd love to see this proof you speak of.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here?
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Yes, I do. Judging from your overly emotional response to posts that question the validity of your claims.
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If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
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What does pride have to do with it? They will market LTE heavily in the areas that have, but they will not discontinue a phone that sells well to force people onto LTE. The store reps will BS the consumer into thinking the LTE phone is the greatest thing in the world.
Um... When did you tell us about the skyrocket being a "wack" snapdragon? Everyone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't information from sites/press release and the fact that the phone is out in Korea indicate the specs? Also let us not forget the fact that qualcomm will not or doesn't have to capability built in to offer an LTE solution that doesn't use their chips.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
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When i found out Best buy was taking pre orders for the Note and offering a free case i went down and tried to pre order. I was buying the phone outright for retail as im not elgible to upgrade. When i got there i found the phone was selling for $749.99; $100.00 more than at&t, however ive had no problem with getting them to price match before hand. So i asked the employee if they would and he confirmed with the manager however he said i would not be able to pre order due to the price match descrepency and that i would have to come in on launch day to get one and i would still get the case just let the manager know the situation. So when Sunday came i was the second person there. First of all i had to wait about 30 minutes for 3 of Mobile Dept employees were tending to the only person before me, then when i asked the employee about the phone he didnt even know what it was!!! He went to the "manager" and the manager came out and showed me the phone and started telling me about it. This is where i started getting p!ssed off. He first tends to tell me they dont have the phone in blue... only black... :-].. HUH?? secondly he starts talking about how its "cool because it has a stylus like the nintendo DS"... I kinda told him it was an S-Pen and what it could do and he just looked at me and said "same thing" and walked away!!!. At this point i was annoyed after waiting and the employees lack of professionalism/knowledge so i wanted to get the phone and just leave. I told the other employee i would be buying without contract, about the price match policy and that i had still wanted the free case that i was promised. He called the manager back and the manager said the most they could do is give me the case for 50% off since i waited for so long!!! We argued back & forth as i felt i was lied to and jipped. I told him i was paying $700+ for a phone choosing to go thru them only for the black tie protection plan and it was crap that I was told otherwise about getting the free case. He kind of chuckled at me then told me "i was free to go elsewhere but thats what he could do"!!! Then when they finally opened my phone and activated it all 3 employees and the manager were looking at it and playing with it for a good minute or 2 before even giving it to me! It got to the point where the manager was like "ohh sorry but weve never seen one of these things powered on and we wanted to look at it"... This particular location used to be awsome. Im a Silver Rewards Zone member and i would know all the employees by name... i knew as soon as i walked into a dept i would be harassed by that dept rep if i needed help. They were knowledgable and friendly. Those days are sense gone and now they have a whole new slew of workers that dont know anything, and look annoyed to even do their job. Its impossible to get them to even help you out if you need it without having to chase one of them down. Did anyone else have any issues with Pre-ordering or price matching?
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When i found out Best buy was taking pre orders for the Note and offering a free case i went down and tried to pre order. I was buying the phone outright for retail as im not elgible to upgrade. When i got there i found the phone was selling for $749.99; $100.00 more than at&t, however ive had no problem with getting them to price match before hand. So i asked the employee if they would and he confirmed with the manager however he said i would not be able to pre order due to the price match descrepency and that i would have to come in on launch day to get one and i would still get the case just let the manager know the situation. So when Sunday came i was the second person there. First of all i had to wait about 30 minutes for 3 of Mobile Dept employees were tending to the only person before me, then when i asked the employee about the phone he didnt even know what it was!!! He went to the "manager" and the manager came out and showed me the phone and started telling me about it. This is where i started getting p!ssed off. He first tends to tell me they dont have the phone in blue... only black... :-].. HUH?? secondly he starts talking about how its "cool because it has a stylus like the nintendo DS"... I kinda told him it was an S-Pen and what it could do and he just looked at me and said "same thing" and walked away!!!. At this point i was annoyed after waiting and the employees lack of professionalism/knowledge so i wanted to get the phone and just leave. I told the other employee i would be buying without contract, about the price match policy and that i had still wanted the free case that i was promised. He called the manager back and the manager said the most they could do is give me the case for 50% off since i waited for so long!!! We argued back & forth as i felt i was lied to and jipped. I told him i was paying $700+ for a phone choosing to go thru them only for the black tie protection plan and it was crap that I was told otherwise about getting the free case. He kind of chuckled at me then told me "i was free to go elsewhere but thats what he could do"!!! Then when they finally opened my phone and activated it all 3 employees and the manager were looking at it and playing with it for a good minute or 2 before even giving it to me! It got to the point where the manager was like "ohh sorry but weve never seen one of these things powered on and we wanted to look at it"... This particular location used to be awsome. Im a Silver Rewards Zone member and i would know all the employees by name... i knew as soon as i walked into a dept i would be harassed by that dept rep if i needed help. They were knowledgable and friendly. Those days are sense gone and now they have a whole new slew of workers that dont know anything, and look annoyed to even do their job. Its impossible to get them to even help you out if you need it without having to chase one of them down. Did anyone else have any issues with Pre-ordering or price matching?
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The moral of the story is, order directly from AT&T next time. Best Buy always jacks up the off-contract price. It has never been worth it to buy a mobile phone from them. They could give me a free case studded in diamonds and I still wouldn't buy the phone from them.
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Sorry to hear your issues in getting your GNote. I have bought at Best Buy and always had good service. Looks like Best Buy and ATT borked up the pre-ordering for this phone. I heard stories of people who had pre-ordered from both finally give it up and walk in on launch day and buy the phone.
I did not pre order, but I get mine on launch day. It seems like these phones are launching so quickly that all employees are not up to speed on all the phones, specs or even that they are launching that day. That is why once you get someone good, stick with them!
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When i found out Best buy was taking pre orders for the Note and offering a free case i went down and tried to pre order. I was buying the phone outright for retail as im not elgible to upgrade. When i got there i found the phone was selling for $749.99; $100.00 more than at&t, however ive had no problem with getting them to price match before hand. So i asked the employee if they would and he confirmed with the manager however he said i would not be able to pre order due to the price match descrepency and that i would have to come in on launch day to get one and i would still get the case just let the manager know the situation. So when Sunday came i was the second person there. First of all i had to wait about 30 minutes for 3 of Mobile Dept employees were tending to the only person before me, then when i asked the employee about the phone he didnt even know what it was!!! He went to the "manager" and the manager came out and showed me the phone and started telling me about it. This is where i started getting p!ssed off. He first tends to tell me they dont have the phone in blue... only black... :-].. HUH?? secondly he starts talking about how its "cool because it has a stylus like the nintendo DS"... I kinda told him it was an S-Pen and what it could do and he just looked at me and said "same thing" and walked away!!!. At this point i was annoyed after waiting and the employees lack of professionalism/knowledge so i wanted to get the phone and just leave. I told the other employee i would be buying without contract, about the price match policy and that i had still wanted the free case that i was promised. He called the manager back and the manager said the most they could do is give me the case for 50% off since i waited for so long!!! We argued back & forth as i felt i was lied to and jipped. I told him i was paying $700+ for a phone choosing to go thru them only for the black tie protection plan and it was crap that I was told otherwise about getting the free case. He kind of chuckled at me then told me "i was free to go elsewhere but thats what he could do"!!! Then when they finally opened my phone and activated it all 3 employees and the manager were looking at it and playing with it for a good minute or 2 before even giving it to me! It got to the point where the manager was like "ohh sorry but weve never seen one of these things powered on and we wanted to look at it"... This particular location used to be awsome. Im a Silver Rewards Zone member and i would know all the employees by name... i knew as soon as i walked into a dept i would be harassed by that dept rep if i needed help. They were knowledgable and friendly. Those days are sense gone and now they have a whole new slew of workers that dont know anything, and look annoyed to even do their job. Its impossible to get them to even help you out if you need it without having to chase one of them down. Did anyone else have any issues with Pre-ordering or price matching?
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Sorry those people sucked haha it does happen sometimes. I work for BBYM and I can tell you that some are not the most knowledgeable.. Hell my boss has absolutely no idea on different specs or upcoming phones. But he's not really supposed to. Do you know how many new phones come through every couple weeks? The ATT rep will hand him a spec sheet with highlights and thats it. He certainly wont do any outside research. Its the sales people that should be the ones trained on phones. So for their incompetence I apologize.
As for the other stuff, our pre-ordering system blows. Know that. But, it can also reap some pretty good benefits if you are a little patient with it. The price matching thing does work on pre-orders as I have done it for a couple customers with the galaxy nexus.
So knowing what you do now, would you still get your phone from best buy? Just curious. As one of the top 50 performing stores in the company this past quarter, I like to gauge outside response on peoples experience.
Oh and enjoy your note!
imitenotbecrazy said:
Sorry those people sucked haha it does happen sometimes. I work for BBYM and I can tell you that some are not the most knowledgeable.. Hell my boss has absolutely no idea on different specs or upcoming phones. But he's not really supposed to. Do you know how many new phones come through every couple weeks? The ATT rep will hand him a spec sheet with highlights and thats it. He certainly wont do any outside research. Its the sales people that should be the ones trained on phones. So for their incompetence I apologize.
As for the other stuff, our pre-ordering system blows. Know that. But, it can also reap some pretty good benefits if you are a little patient with it. The price matching thing does work on pre-orders as I have done it for a couple customers with the galaxy nexus.
So knowing what you do now, would you still get your phone from best buy? Just curious. As one of the top 50 performing stores in the company this past quarter, I like to gauge outside response on peoples experience.
Oh and enjoy your note!
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If it wasn't for the black tie protection program I wouldn't go back there period. I got my iPhone 4 4s and nexus S with the protection and have loved it. But this particular location has gone down hill.
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Dude that sucks.. I know alot of the bbuy employees in my local one by name and get alot better service there compared to at$t/tmobile stores. You should have asked for the store manager not the bbym one.. And known the name of the one that said he would give the case to you for free.
Btw you know there was a 3x rewards coupon active for release day, should have been in your email.. Would have been almost 45 back in reward points.
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This is why I opted to buy the phone through at&t. BB is not a good place to buy phones at a full price. Good for upgrading though, which is what I use them for.
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I was very excited at the notion of getting my N3 today. I drive like a mad man to the Sprint store closest to my home. I was expecting to see SOME type of crowd...(2 p.m.).the store was absolutely empty! So I tell the rep that I want to buy the N3, she said they never got any, not even 1 for launch day? In fact, she said that during the morning conference call, there was no mention of the N3 at all, WTF? She didn't know model numbers or anything else about it, do people really hate the Samsung line that much? After driving to the 3rd Sprint store, I bought the only one that was shipped to their store. Overall, I'm kind of miffed that even the store reps aren't/weren't prepared, knowledgeable or even slightly enthusiastic about this launch, but I'm glad I got my phone!
i went straight to best buy and got mine this morning but they did say they had a limited quantity and no accessories.. so i went to the sprint store around the corner to get a case.
they were excited to see mine said they have never seen the phone and didnt get any in
Local Clearwater store had plenty. Despite all the hype of the Note 3, it's always a sleeper at the Sprint store. The same thing happened last year at the Note 2 launch, and that was even more of a bigger hype since it is the first time the Note series is available from Sprint.
You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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The sprint store here didn't receive theirs and one radioshack only got white ones while the other didn't get theirs at all. I just decided to order mine straight from sprint to avoid everything and to keep myself from being tempted into a white one.
No sign, accessories, or display model at the one i was at. However i was the 4th one sold within the hour.
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I had an appointment at Best Buy for 10:00 a.m. this morning. There weren't many people when I arrived but by the time I was done (took almost an hour!) there was a line of about a dozen people and and lots of talk about the Note 3.
Overall I am much more impressed with the look of the phone and the soft texture of the back; much better than I thought it might be based on many comments in the forums.
Best Buy also had the Galaxy Gear but it was tethered and the security device made the watch look so thick and impossible to test fit. The whole presentation did nothing to help sell the device. Overall from what I could see it looked nice but not for $300. I think Samsung and/or Best Buy really missed an opportunity by not offering some kind of Note/Gear bundle. Even $50 discount might have made me consider getting both.
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You took the time to complain because there was no rabid crowd like the iPhone zealots do every year? You should be thankful. The store I was at had limited stock AND some stores got their shipments and could not locate them.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
All the stores in Dallas/Ft.Worth got at least 10-20. I got there at 9am with 1 guy waiting and by the time i left after i kept telling the salesman i dont have to give them my phone that is not under contract..... I saw about 4 people leave the store with them.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
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We are smartphone enthusiasts. Sprint employees or corporate generally do not care. If they do, they would be working with Sony to push their XPERIA line. With a little encouragement and dealing, Sony will add a CDMA version. Look at the mistake with the uniband Note 3 and the lack of waterproof phone.
Get a couple of enthusiasts from XDA to the Sprint corporate board room and the company will be profitable real fast. Sprint corporate is often clueless just like the people at HP, just like the idiots at LG and HTC that decides their phone do not need an SD card. They make $5 mistake that cost them lots of unsold phones and hundreds of millions. Samsung don't have to beat them when they keep making stupid decision like that. Of course, this is just IMHO.
If I was managing the Sprint corporate store, you bet I will be promoting the Note 3 or any flagship phone launch with posters, display, cases, hooking it up to the smart dock, etc.. Look at the home page at Sprint. They are pushing the Iphones. Nothing wrong with that but they should be pushing any new flagship phone launch. They do not have the passion like the John Legre dude at T Mobile.
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I was passing on an observation, not really meant to be a complaint. But it was if they had no idea that it was a launch date, no display units, no in-store posters, like they hadn't even heard of the phone. I just found it strange, maybe others here don't.
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Thats because no one is trying to hear they only have one option for a plan. lol If you start advertising the Note 3 also people need to be informed that there plan is changing. People hate switching plans especially when the store reps even have a hard time explaining the new plans. Most people can care less about a new phone every yr. We are the minority. I personally thought you get $15 off the plan immediately. Then they tell me you have to wait 2 months. Just very confusing.
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Thats because no one is trying to hear they only have one option for a plan. lol If you start advertising the Note 3 also people need to be informed that there plan is changing. People hate switching plans especially when the store reps even have a hard time explaining the new plans. Most people can care less about a new phone every yr. We are the minority. I personally thought you get $15 off the plan immediately. Then they tell me you have to wait 2 months. Just very confusing.
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You have to wait 2 months for the 15$ off to kick in? They surely didn't tell me that.
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I pre ordered mine at the best buy in metro Detroit and had mine when I get off work at 2 pm. I got the black one
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I called sprint to get my upgrade today and the rep was asking me questions on how the galaxy gear worked. Lol.
He said they get a tiny ass powerpoint about the basics and that's it. When I worked for Apple (worst company), I would research online so that I knew everything. Better customer service, better results.
C'mon Sprint. Step your game up.
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Got mine and a Gear, I really like the Gear. It really compliments the Note.
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My Sprint store got the boxes from UPS as I arrived at 10am. They even had a Samsung Rep on hand doing Note 3 demos and Galaxy Gear. Cases were limited, all they had was the Body Glove case which is actually pretty nice. Overall this is a great phone and im so happy I exchanged my HTC One for this.
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My sentiments exactly. I dread going to my corporate sprint store. Yesterday, however, i was plesantly suprised that there was no traffic and i was served instantly upon walking into the store. TWICE. By 12 tho, it was filling up and i was glad i was finished.
It is very weird, regardless of what some will have you believe. I was first at one of my local stores to get one (was the only one in the store for the hour or so it took to futz with my account and activate the phone. Got there at store opening). They had not even taken them out of the shipping box yet. Had to go back to the store this morning and they said that I am still the only one to have gotten one. Inexplicable.
I realize the price bump to give preference to Apple (don't agree with it, but understand) but it's almost like Sprint didn't even want this phone to launch at all. Last to announce launch date. No marketing at all. With millions of Note and Note 2's sold, and several million Note 3's already sold world wide, I really can't figure out what's going on. I have seen companies do a lot of weird things, but whatever is going on with Sprint and the Note 3 is beyond me. Sprint's overall lineup of phones is horrendous anyway, getting a true flagship phone should be more of a big deal to them.
I have to say that I love this phone. Coming from a beat up Epic 4G Touch, this is like upgrading from a Pentium 4 to an i7. This is also the first time I have been able to use LTE and I love it.
There is a business aspect to this. Now trust me I don't want to give Sprint more credit than they deserve for being smart because at the retail level they are any thing but smart. However, the bigger push for Apple in all the stores may be a business decision and by design. If you recall, Sprint had to commit to hundreds of millions if dollars to Apple when they got the iPhone line.
Retail stinks anyhow for all manufacturers. I used to be a vp of salrs for a PC company and always felt like being held hostage to retail reps who can't add any value. I recall the days of ComputerLand when I got them to carry my new really cool laptop. There were two versions and we spent a lot of money and time training and motivating their retail team for the launch. I secret shopped the stores and when I asked the sales team what was the difference between model 1 and 2 he said $199 ....I was smart enough to calculate that myself ....the price was on the display.
Yesterday was another good example. I went to the Sprint store and there were no notes on display although they were in inventory. Then I drove to the Best Buy mobile store. Again nothing on display but a bunch in stock. Talked to store manager who said she was given a demo unit by Samsung a few days ago but didn't open it. She also had a Gear which she said she hasn't opened.
A Samsung experience in BestBuy stores is a good idea to help overcome the retail inefficiencies but ultimately we will pay the extra cost. No wonder internet commerce is a multi billion dollar channel
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There is a business aspect to this. Now trust me I don't want to give Sprint more credit than they deserve for being smart because at the retail level they are any thing but smart. However, the bigger push for Apple in all the stores may be a business decision and by design. If you recall, Sprint had to commit to hundreds of millions if dollars to Apple when they got the iPhone line.
Retail stinks anyhow for all manufacturers. I used to be a vp of salrs for a PC company and always felt like being held hostage to retail reps who can't add any value. I recall the days of ComputerLand when I got them to carry my new really cool laptop. There were two versions and we spent a lot of money and time training and motivating their retail team for the launch. I secret shopped the stores and when I asked the sales team what was the difference between model 1 and 2 he said $199 ....I was smart enough to calculate that myself ....the price was on the display.
Yesterday was another good example. I went to the Sprint store and there were no notes on display although they were in inventory. Then I drove to the Best Buy mobile store. Again nothing on display but a bunch in stock. Talked to store manager who said she was given a demo unit by Samsung a few days ago but didn't open it. She also had a Gear which she said she hasn't opened.
A Samsung experience in BestBuy stores is a good idea to help overcome the retail inefficiencies but ultimately we will pay the extra cost. No wonder internet commerce is a multi billion dollar channel
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I almost teared up reading this........ Everything you have stated is correct...
Sprint isn't a very effective VAR for Samsung products and I think they are in so deep with the fruit that they are beginning to regret their metric quotas they are obligated to meet on a quarterly basis in order to be in compliance with the distribution contract they signed in order to get into the very lucrative (Icraze) business model/ecosystem.
I wish Samsung would open a retail brick and mortar but the cult-ish following isn't near the same level as Apple.
So for the near future, we will have to go through the regular channels and hopefully the Samsung experience @ BB can get a foothold and become a starting off point for something better and a more customer orientated experience for Samsung users.
I know the 6P won't be sold through the carriers, at least not right away. I'm a Tmo subscriber and I was a little disappointed at first but buying the phone and paying for it in full is always the best route.
With that being said are you with Tmo? What area of the country are you in? Having issues or are new services going live? Questions about service with past or the new nexus device? Let's keep each other updated with what's going on with our carrier.
I've had just about every nexus phone while on Tmo. I had spotty service for awhile but over the years service has gotten much better for me in the Orlando area. This past year I've seen almost all the 3g towers turn into LTE. I got to use HD voice for the first time on my nexus 6. VOLTE got turned on. Band 12 going live (although not in my area, I've used it in other FL markets) Going forward to the 6P are we going lose some of these? I've already seen a report that band 12 will not be unlocked at launch for our device. Will volte be available? HD voice? None of these are deal breakers but it would suck to have such a cutting edge device yet it can't access some basic phone functions. What are your thoughts/insight?
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when they see that sales are going down they will be dropping the price and eipin the phone just take a couple months
But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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I'm not a fan of jump either however not everyone can afford the full price, some people are fortunate to be able to.
I guess it's kinda like leasing your car but of course a way lower price.
I love buying unlocked phones and now that tmobiles prices are so low it really works out
Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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I think most people who get the jump program get it because they can't afford to pay the full price up front, even if they are paying the same in the end or maybe sometimes you pay more for a device when you could've gotten an unlocked device (same or better) for cheaper
I actually began my Nexus 6 purchase through finance. I figured hey, it's 0% who cares. I started to think of bills and life from a more DTI based perspective vs my older, borrow at low or no interest and invest to get more mindset.
Once you start paying off everything with a payment (no matter how low the interest) you start to have so much excess cash monthly that you realize WTF you've been doing wrong your whole life. It also makes it a lot easier to save and invest.
Anyway back on topic, I don't think carriers will be getting the 6P. But if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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Since the thing will not be supporting band 12 on t-mobile, at least not right away, I'd think not.
Edit: Hah! Soon!
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3mzygu/google_nexus_team_ama_working_to_get_band_12/
Why pay full price for the phone? I have the original Jump program. So i pay $27/Month. In one year I paid $324 and traded the phone in for the next Nexus. I didnt have to shell out the full $650. I dont know but it works fine for me. Only phone i care about are the nexus devices. Its a Big deal when i can simply walk into the store hand them my old phone keep all my Chargers and accessories and walk out with a new phone paying only taxes..
I just pre-ordered one and I feel that Jump may not offer a good deal. I've been hearing a lot about Google Fi so that does seem like a better option overall. Also, you would lose out on the $50 play credit and three months of free Google Play Music unless you get it before Oct 25. I'll be using mine for T-Mobile and I'd only hold on ordering to look over reviews, but it's a Nexus device so it should be pretty solid. I agree with many in here that not everyone can pay full price, but with Jump you are still paying quite a bit of money. It's just better to buy it up front then sell the old phone after.
One of the things mentioned in the Reddit AMA today was they're attempting to work with TMobile on getting the Band 12 turned on prior to the device getting to everyone. So at least they're acknowledging the issue.
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They're not selling the Nexus 6P in U.S. carrier stores... So we don't have the option to use Jump! or Jump! On Demand. I have a Galaxy S6 on Jump! On Demand that I'm a few months into... I purchased a 6P outright and will use 1 of my 3 upgrades w/ T-Moible to go w/ something else, and not pay a dime at the store. I switch phones a TON so for me Jump! On Demand is awesome. I will say though, once I am done with this current EIP, I will try to stay with unlocked phones and just pay outright for them. My monthly bill will be a lot cheaper.
As far as the band 12 support; if they get it fixed by ship date, great. If not, oh well... I don't have access to band 12 where I am (Columbus, Ohio), so I'm not missing anything if they don't have it fixed. I'm sure when/if it gets activated here this will be fixed.
In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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I'm sure that They will be available at some point. Google has given exclusivity for the first couple months before, this time it's to themselves. Maybe they want to get the preorders out without a disaster like previous releases. On the bright side we get great pricing compared to the rest of the world
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Yeah, Rumor is they could offer them in stores later this month to avoid the instant rush of phone orders. They sell direct first then allow carries to carry a few models if wanted.
That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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I'm wondering if part of the reason is so they can say see how many devices we sold without you, you're not getting customized builds this time.
If they announce carrier availability it would just eat into their own direct sales.
I'd be shocked if this doesn't ultimately get on carriers in a quarter or so.
I'm still upset no Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, especially T-Mobile.
And I call BS on Google's excuse, that they want full control and no carrier slow downs no carrier involvement mucking things up.
Apple
Carriers don't get in the way of Apple and iOS updates. A Verizon or ATT iPhone 6S get's updated straight from Apple, you don't see Verizon users waiting longer for the iOS update, than an international iPhone user, or Apple having to give the update to ATT first and then let them, hand out the update later to it's customers.
Nope, if you have a Sprint, or T-Mobile, or Verizon iPhone, you just go to iTunes or Apple for the update, and they have the update available at the exact the same time, no matter which carrier phone you own.
My point is, carriers aren't in the way whatsoever, and Apple sells a **** ton of iPhone's through these carriers. How many sales of iPhone's are done directly through the Apple store and site only, like Google wants people to buy the Nexus 6P through the Play Store only ?
Google should sell the Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, and not give the BS excuse it's because of updates or some crap.