and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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and i have to say that it actually wasnt half bad.
one thing that i was kinda hoping not to be true was to feel the lesser speed which i did feel.
the LTE does seem promising. i got a full signal and i can't say that it was "blazing" fast on at&t's LTE, but it was great.
i could only imagine if it were an exynos chip how much more great it would be.
also, the vivid is a great phone for the cost. smooth, fast, and great in your hands.
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So u felt a lag?
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So u felt a lag?
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yeah i did, but not much. i don't want ppl on here to go crazy denial on me like they did on my other post. lol
but i did feel it. but then again, i had my SGS2 oc'd to 1.5ghz. so it blew it away.
but at 1.2ghz, it was nearly the same. OG SGS2 a "little" faster.
but i was impressed. even though it has the same res as the SGS2, the screen wasn't horrible. put it like this: if you live in an LTE market and DONT have an OG SGS2 already, i'd get it. honestly.
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Even in non-LTE markets? That seems doubtful to kill your flagship after a month. They still sell terrible phones, why stop selling the arguable best phone you offer?
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pguillory08 said:
plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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What is "OG" sgs2? Original?
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yeah OG is the original.
and dude idk!
i have no idea why they are going to stop selling it. it's messed up and we were all shocked about it.
they're even going to stop selling the atrix 2(which isn't great) but you get me?
i think it could only be in LTE markets, but still, it's the best phone we offer.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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whoa lol i work for best buy mobile and we haven't heard that yet if thats true damn haha can't wait to get my skyrocket
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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plus, at&t is going to stop selling the OG SGS2 after nov. 6th.
but that's only at actual at&t stores, idk about like best buy, radioshack etc.
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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yeah man it's wack.
but that's what it is.
i was totally dissapointed.
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Does the lte sgs2 have an fm radio?
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Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
Rrryan2 said:
This.
Also, anyone who knows anything about marketing or brand management would know that to axe the ASGS2 after barely a month would be near-suicidal. Especially when the ASGS2 was touted as the rival to iPhone 4/4S and AT&T has been doing everything it can to wean itself off that dependency especially now that it's available on other carriers.
So far we've had... a dark horse who won't even identify himself, and a 3rd party retail-level employee do nothing but speculate.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
They don't sell the OG S2 in California corporate stores, but I don't know if the Skyrocket is the reason.
No its not. Corporate stores will only order them for you. But starting this wknd even that is going to be to an end. :/
It already sucked that they never sold em in stores. Well, corporate stores. Lol.
I've learned to be very clear around here.
Maybe they're just taking their original SGS2's and replacing them with their new LTE chip, so that way, they're not necessarily restocking or anything...
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd like to see this documentation.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here? If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
All I wanted to do by getting.on.this forum is to become an android fan even more, and help inform you guys a bit more. But maybe.I was wrong and you all know things I.don't eh?
So much for the xda "noob" video explaining how rudeness and all that other junk.ain't allowed.
How bout this, stick.to my posts, and I guarantee that I will provide you.all with every at&t phone.spec for the new future there is. Lol
Honestly.
All I wanna say is, don't doubt, or actually, don't denounce my intelligence until I have provided you all with false information.
Thanks.
** and for the Guy up there, there's no FM RADIO-STOCK.
like I said, STOCK, there is no radio.
Just wanna be clear and correct for the make-believers.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
BarryH_GEG said:
Do you guys literally just make this stuff up? The company I work for pays about $1.5MM a year to AT&T and our corporate rep happened to be in today. We talked about LTE strategy, devices, and the merger. The strategy all along was to offer both phones as they appeal to different audiences. The ASGS2 actually has more features for corporate use (lock down) and is selling and expected to continue to sell well. They've offered aggressive corporate pricing since it launced and consider it a cornerstone phone for the corporate market.
Do you know how much it costs to launch a phone marketing wise, train staff to support it, and provide h/w service and replacements for two years after it's launched? It isn't like the Skyrocket snuck up on AT&T after they launched the ASGS2. If they didn't intend to sell both they never would have launched the ASGS2. So unless you know something that a major account rep doesn't it's hard to take what you said seriously.
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I can confirm this as well. My rep told me the same thing, the SGS2 is selling very well for AT&T and there are no plans to stop selling it.
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Hey smartass, yeah you. Ill have documentation for you tmrw. They're gonna stop selling those phones in Houston for sure to advertise the LTE market. There's making.g things up here Guy. But its okay, one day you'll come to reality instead of a
Jake niece business Rep.
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I'd love to see this proof you speak of.
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Lol and yet here is another one who follows in footsteps of true specation. Do you really this.k I'd take the time to really make up the fact that they aren't selling the phones anymore here?
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Yes, I do. Judging from your overly emotional response to posts that question the validity of your claims.
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If you haven't noticed, at&t's pride is much more on the LTE market rather than the a rial phone. But okay, you're right. I told you guys abput the skyrocket being a wack snapdragon, and ill tell you.again.about this.
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What does pride have to do with it? They will market LTE heavily in the areas that have, but they will not discontinue a phone that sells well to force people onto LTE. The store reps will BS the consumer into thinking the LTE phone is the greatest thing in the world.
Um... When did you tell us about the skyrocket being a "wack" snapdragon? Everyone correct me if I am wrong, but didn't information from sites/press release and the fact that the phone is out in Korea indicate the specs? Also let us not forget the fact that qualcomm will not or doesn't have to capability built in to offer an LTE solution that doesn't use their chips.
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Dude, you haven't given proof of -anything- you've said over the past day or two. Nothing. No pictures of the new phone, no docs suggesting they're even thinking of completely removing the i777 from the market. How the hell can you even think that they would completely remove one of the -best- phones on the market?
As far as I, and many others can tell, you're just speculating on what will happen. There is no way you can know these things if you're a normal ATT employee. If every normal level employee knew this, there would have been massive leaks of this info as soon as they found out. And I -highly- doubt you're some top-level employee by the way you write and the way you're addressing everyone else.
There isn't even any documentation that you even work for ATT, I even find that hard to believe.
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Related
to jump ship when AT&T takes over? I know I don't want to stay, looking to find out about cancelling the contract once the deal goes through (fingers crossed it won't)....
I don't remember exactly, but I remember hearing Cingular customers were pretty much treated like dirt when AT&T took them over, so I'm definitely looking at alternatives. Problem is that I don't think I can ever go back to CDMA... so I may be stuck with AT&T... argh! This sucks!
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you should read this:
http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/more-information-att-acquires-tmobile
Our plans won't be changed until our contracts for 2 years are over.
Then you can jump
Come on folks. Just enjoy the phone you've come to love for as long as possible before you consider jumping ship. For all we know it might turn out ok. Gonna be a better device and some great deals when we have to make a decision. Hang in there.
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YepMan68 said:
Come on folks. Just enjoy the phone you've come to love for as long as possible before you consider jumping ship. For all we know it might turn out ok. Gonna be a better device and some great deals when we have to make a decision. Hang in there.
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Uhm, this is about carriers not phones.
Unless if your going to Verizon.. then you can just swap sim cards after unlocking...
I'm more concerned about carriers, service and cost. I don't want to go backwards to CDMA, but Verizon speeds are proven to be better than AT&T in large markets, their customer service is known to be substandard, and they're heavy into data caps from what I've read. Doesn't look good in any case. I thought the government broke them up years ago to prevent this exact kind of things from happening. What happened to competition. I've come to love Magenta for the things that the others aren't, out of the box, price competitive and excellent with customer service. Gotta start thinking though about the future.....
I'm a little concerned about this...
T-Mobile gets crap coverage where I am (EDGE Network only) until I get over to the big city (about 30 miles east) and then I jump straight to 4G. AT&T gets better service, but once my contract is up I'll have to start paying AT&T rates, correct? That's my only real concern. The whole reason I went T-Mobile was because they had the cheapest rates for data...
Guess I'll just have to go back to CDMA when my contract expires...sigh...
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I'm more concerned about carriers, service and cost. I don't want to go backwards to CDMA, but Verizon speeds are proven to be better than AT&T in large markets, their customer service is known to be substandard, and they're heavy into data caps from what I've read. Doesn't look good in any case. I thought the government broke them up years ago to prevent this exact kind of things from happening. What happened to competition. I've come to love Magenta for the things that the others aren't, out of the box, price competitive and excellent with customer service. Gotta start thinking though about the future.....
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That is why the deal isn't official yet. That is the "bureaucracy" they are talking about taking 12 months to figure out. There is a chance this may not happen. It might be a very small chance but a chance none the less.
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That is why the deal isn't official yet. That is the "bureaucracy" they are talking about taking 12 months to figure out. There is a chance this may not happen. It might be a very small chance but a chance none the less.
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Let's hope! T-Mo gets $3 billion from AT&T if it falls through, which I would hope they would use to make themselves even better and stay independent.
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I was just wondering, is the 2.3 update Motorola dependent or carrier dependent?
The Atrix isn't selling too well here in Canada and if it's bell who has the final say on the update... I think ill just return my Atrix
who told you the atrix isnt selling well in canada?
(just asking because afaik its selling quite well for a high end phone.)
seven2099 said:
who told you the atrix isnt selling well in canada?
(just asking because afaik its selling quite well for a high end phone.)
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Yea The atrix is selling really good in Canada. Who told you it wasn't?
RacecarBMW said:
Yea The atrix is selling really good in Canada. Who told you it wasn't?
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Maybe he assumes since they cut the price by $100 (on contract) in the first week it is because of slow sales.
NOTE: checking their website again it looks like its back up to $169. I wonder what was with the temp price drop. Oh well, saved me $100.
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Maybe he assumes since they cut the price by $100 (on contract) in the first week it is because of slow sales.
NOTE: checking their website again it looks like its back up to $169. I wonder what was with the temp price drop. Oh well, saved me $100.
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well $69 dollars for three years. THREE YEARS sometimes phones in America go for that price but for 2 years. I think it is overpriced at $169 for 3 years.
Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
smurfit said:
Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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It was sold out at my local Bell store.
Edit : and I live in Toronto as well. maybe the stores your going to aren't the ones that are selling well in general, ask them how many Desire Z's they sold?
smurfit said:
Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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I think the reason they dropped the price was because the day it came out, they dropped all the other smartphones to $0 except for the iPhone 4. Now if you're a customer coming into a Bell store not knowing much about the Atrix, those other phones are impossible to pass up "Hmm, $0 or $169. Wow that HD7 has a huge screen and it's $0. I'll take that one!". Bad marketing by Bell, nothing more
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Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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maybe bell is trying to get people to to sign a 3 year contract, its called marketing, contracts are worth much more than the $100 they are discounting. do you know how many stores in toronto is selling the atrix? theres no way to guess how many are sold based on visiting 5 stores and asking the employee...have you considered they were not telling you the truth, ive been to a few bell stores where their employees are apple fanboys that were trying to only push the iphone to customers.
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maybe bell is trying to get people to to sign a 3 year contract, its called marketing, contracts are worth much more than the $100 they are discounting. do you know how many stores in toronto is selling the atrix? theres no way to guess how many are sold based on visiting 5 stores and asking the employee...have you considered they were not telling you the truth, ive been to a few bell stores where their employees are apple fanboys that were trying to only push the iphone to customers.
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5 stores that I randomly choose that has terrible sales? That's a pretty slim chance.
Anyways, thats not important. I went to return it today and apparently bell won't let me because I've exceeded 50mb of data usage. Even the Futureshop salesman was shocked to find out about this. They told me to go back tomorrow morning to speak with a full time salesman and figure things out there...
I hope I can return this phone and cancel this contract...
When I got my Atrix in the period of time I was in the store 3 other people came in and bought it as well so I wouldn't call that bad sales. Plus I know 4 other people that are going to pick one up.
As for the contract, under Canadian law you have 14 days to suffer from buyers remorse and get out of any contract. For your phone, when I signed up for it I was told I had 14 days or 30 minutes of talk time to return it and nothing about data use, so I wish you the best of luck for that part.
I'm in vancouver and as I was buying mine, this 60+ year old lady comes in and buys one... I was blown away... I asked her if this was her first android device and she said she owned a magic before. I was impressed.
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I was just wondering, is the 2.3 update Motorola dependent or carrier dependent?
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I think it depends more on Motorola, the carrier just pushes it to you when its done.
The Guy at the corner store has sold 30 Bell atrix, 12 iPhones & 2 chocolate doughnuts this month. The iPhone is clearly starting to fail.
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im no iphone fan, but that isn't a clear indication as its a device that has been there for months.
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Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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5 stores that I randomly choose that has terrible sales? That's a pretty slim chance.
Anyways, thats not important. I went to return it today and apparently bell won't let me because I've exceeded 50mb of data usage. Even the Futureshop salesman was shocked to find out about this. They told me to go back tomorrow morning to speak with a full time salesman and figure things out there...
I hope I can return this phone and cancel this contract...
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You're exaggerating now, because you were initially wrong.
In any event, even if you're correct (which you're not, I know direct and indirect dealers in your market), you're only talking about 1 market which you're wrong about anyway.
And yes, updates are released by carriers and are subject to their approval/branding/pollution. This matter changes if the phone's bootloader becomes cracked and capable of loading different ROMs however.
smurfit said:
Uh.. I've been to 5 different stores recently in Toronto and they either have only sold one or none. This phone is obviously not selling well, who's been telling you it has been?
Honestly like, I've never seen a high end phone go on sale a week after launch. Somethings not right.
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I can find this phone in stock anywhere in Downtown Toronto in any types of Store(Bell, FutureShop, Bestbuy, Source or whatever)
Man, Bell representatives are so clueless sometimes. There are no restrictions on data usage for smartphones but the first 2 bell ppl kept insisting there was a 50mb limit. I just wasted the whole day trying to get this sorted out. Finally the third person agreed with me and said that the previous 2 thought the Atrix was a tablet. WTF??
Anyways, phone's returned and everything, I feel so relieved now. I had to think real hard about this phone. Then I realized, if I had to think this hard then obviously I wasn't satisfied with it.
That was my first smartphone and I was not impressed with android. Maybe I just expected too much. I did love the fact that I can download mp3's for free and watch flash videos, but there was a key piece missing which was crucial to me. The overall user interface was not fluid like the Iphones are. I would hit the home button and it would sometimes work. Then when I tap it again, the phone would register everything in the queue 2 seconds later. I know some people are ok with this, I am not. I got a high end phone and I expect the same as I do with a high end PC, not lag on current generation software.
When Android irons out these issues out then maybe I'll consider using android again. I think fragmentation really hinders android just like it did for PCs (still does to a degree?).
Sorry for the rant, Futureshop/Bell really pissed me off today.
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I can find this phone in stock anywhere in Downtown Toronto in any types of Store(Bell, FutureShop, Bestbuy, Source or whatever)
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idk man, when I went to returned mine. The same number of boxes of Atrix was still sitting behind the counter. I don't see how this phone would appeal to the average consumer who could care less about the specs.
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Man, Bell representatives are so clueless sometimes. There are no restrictions on data usage for smartphones but the first 2 bell ppl kept insisting there was a 50mb limit. I just wasted the whole day trying to get this sorted out. Finally the third person agreed with me and said that the previous 2 thought the Atrix was a tablet. WTF??
Anyways, phone's returned and everything, I feel so relieved now. I had to think real hard about this phone. Then I realized, if I had to think this hard then obviously I wasn't satisfied with it.
That was my first smartphone and I was not impressed with android. Maybe I just expected too much. I did love the fact that I can download mp3's for free and watch flash videos, but there was a key piece missing which was crucial to me. The overall user interface was not fluid like the Iphones are. I would hit the home button and it would sometimes work. Then when I tap it again, the phone would register everything in the queue 2 seconds later. I know some people are ok with this, I am not. I got a high end phone and I expect the same as I do with a high end PC, not lag on current generation software.
When Android irons out these issues out then maybe I'll consider using android again. I think fragmentation really hinders android just like it did for PCs (still does to a degree?).
Sorry for the rant, Futureshop/Bell really pissed me off today.
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Are you serious, One of the reasons you wanted Android was to pirate songs. Disappointed
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idk man, when I went to returned mine. The same number of boxes of Atrix was still sitting behind the counter. I don't see how this phone would appeal to the average consumer who could care less about the specs.
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They probably sold them and those were the ones that they are currently selling.
I was bored, and I had another question they did answer for me, then this happened, and I thought it was pretty funny. This is with VZW chat rep on their website of course.
I also e-mailed their Wireless side CEO concerning this, the unlimited data crap, locked bootloaders (want a GSIII but the bootloader...) and such. I cannot wait for the response.
ryan: so if you are on month 21 of the 24 month contract, what would the ETF be? Do you know?
Kareva: No, as it is different per account for various reasons. Are you looking to upgrade or add a new line today?
ryan: No I am looking to leave your company as you wouldn't move my upgrade forward by a few months, so I could upgrade to the GSIII and keep my unlimited data. Therefor you won't get my service any longer.
Kareva: Great! Would you like to number to customer care to find the ETF amount?
ryan: not now, and I am rather bothered that you are excited to lose customers. What kind of company is this...
Kareva: Well not so much excited, but it is your money and to see you leave because of something that is in a contract that you applied for, I can't be too mad. I hate that you will now have to deal with bad service, but your choice.
Kareva: Can I assist you with anything else?
ryan: lol what? I would rather take bad service from companys that don't lock bootloaders, don't strip unlimited data away from customers just for pure profit. Some people have morals, apparently not your company, or you
Kareva: Well is there anything else I can assist you with tonight?
ryan: oh so you can make accusations like that, but lack the balls to stand behind them?
Kareva: Is there anything else I can do for you today?
ryan: grow a pair and not make comments you won't stand behind. This will be e-mailed to your CEO.
ryan: Terrible customer service
Kareva: Have a great night and please come again. We thank you for being the greatest side of Verizon !
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That's not the first time I've seen their chat reps being very rude. A friend of mine posted her chat with one of their reps and that rep was rude as well. I don't understand how they can get away with being so rude and keep their jobs. If I acted that way at my job I would be out the door.
Wow they really don't care at all anymore. Big red is a giant a-hole
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That's not the first time I've seen their chat reps being very rude. A friend of mine posted her chat with one of their reps and that rep was rude as well. I don't understand how they can get away with being so rude and keep their jobs. If I acted that way at my job I would be out the door.
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Yeah it is terrible, I wrote this as the e-mail to the VZW CEO which also included the full chat between me and the rep. Can't wait for the response.
Hello,
I first off would like to state, that I am one of your customers rather upset by the choices Verizon has made in not letting us grandfather in on unlimited data, and forcing us to a tiered data plan, in what looks to be for nothing but pure extra unneeded profit. I probably will not be a customer for much longer due to this, and the fact that my upgrade is not terribly far away, but instead of moving it forward, and letting me get a galaxy SIII and keep my unlimited data, your company decided it was better to lose me. I am debating between buying a Galaxy SIII that your company has locked down which no other wireless provider has, or just paying the ETF and flat out leaving for another carrier now. I know my service wouldn't be as good as yours, but right now I don't feel as if your company deserves any more of my money, than I need to let you have. In doing so I joined your online chat to ask about the ETF. I wasn't bothered by the answer I got, but more so the excitement in the employees statement about me leaving verizon. I then was more bothered by the next statement made, that the rep then refused to respond too. I admit my responses ended up lacking a mature way of responding, but they were meant as intended. I think the employee realized their screw up as they forced me off the chat at the end. I would have been impressed with an "I am sorry I said that sir," but instead was treated like I ruined their day. I made sure to leave it up, so I can copy it here for you to read. I don't know if these are saved or not, but this is terrible behavior.
Loosing unlimited data, full price for phones, locked down bootloaders, and the way I have been treated by employees, are reason I will never come back or recommend verizon to anyone again. I stand with what I told the rep, I would rather stand behind my morals and have mediocre service, then lose them, and have great service.
I do give you a chance to change my mind, but I somehow don't see that happening.
Thank you for your time. (No my name is not ryan, but I had just ended a chat with my real name, with someone who was helpful, but forgot to ask about the ETF, and felt weird if I had ended up talking to them again.)
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That is hilarious, I guess u got a bad CS rep. I have come across plenty of stupid ones, overly polite ones, or just people who write like they are copying and pasting from a handbook but never one of those.
I'm not defending the chat rep but aren't most of their responses just form responses anyway? I never had anything resembling a "conversation", I just assumed they basically went from a script, much like reading back tech support steps.
mbarry55 said:
I'm not defending the chat rep but aren't most of their responses just form responses anyway? I never had anything resembling a "conversation", I just assumed they basically went from a script, much like reading back tech support steps.
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You really think that second response about other coverage sucking was script?
I know some answers are, but that doesn't feel that way. Which would explain why they wouldn't respond about it.
For the sake of playing devil's advocate I don't see anything too outrageous being said by the chat rep. Your comments come across as a little naive.
ryan: lol what? I would rather take bad service from companys that don't lock bootloaders, don't strip unlimited data away from customers just for pure profit. Some people have morals, apparently not your company, or you
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I mean at the end of the day they're a company who's primary goal is to, yes, make a profit. As they are honoring their current contractual obligations with you I don't really see this as a lack of morals?
For the record, I'm as unhappy about the changes and the bootloader annoyances and everything but we're kidding ourselves if we think this community represents the majority of wireless consumers. They are going to do whatever they want to do to turn a bigger profit. It's nothing personal, just capitalism...
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You really think that second response about other coverage sucking was script?
I know some answers are, but that doesn't feel that way. Which would explain why they wouldn't respond about it.
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I'll say at&t has the greatest customer service, if you have any issues they will do anything to keep you with them. I only went to Verizon to get away from tiered data plans
My contract ends next year, by then I hope at&t has 4g in my area and I'll be switching to them
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For the sake of playing devil's advocate I don't see anything too outrageous being said by the chat rep. Your comments come across as a little naive.
I mean at the end of the day they're a company who's primary goal is to, yes, make a profit. As they are honoring their current contractual obligations with you I don't really see this as a lack of morals?
For the record, I'm as unhappy about the changes and the bootloader annoyances and everything but we're kidding ourselves if we think this community represents the majority of wireless consumers. They are going to do whatever they want to do to turn a bigger profit. It's nothing personal, just capitalism...
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MOST companies understand that good customer service equals a greater profit, Verizon can get away with this because of their coverage and reliablity, but soon enough they will get bitten in the ass by this and change their ways
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i tried, they completely dodged the questions and ended the chat verizon is seriously the worst
Maddison: Hello. Thank you for visiting our chat service. May I help you with your order today?
bob: Hello I just want to say i am very dissapointed with verizons plans to screw people out of their grandfathered unlimited data or else i would be purchasing a new phone soon but instead im thinking of leaving verzion
Maddison: I will be happy to assist you with your order today.
bob: okay nevermind iguess you guys really dont care about it
Maddison: It has been my pleasure to chat with you today! Please feel free to re-open the chat session if you need further assistance . Thank you and have a great day!
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For the sake of playing devil's advocate I don't see anything too outrageous being said by the chat rep. Your comments come across as a little naive.
I mean at the end of the day they're a company who's primary goal is to, yes, make a profit. As they are honoring their current contractual obligations with you I don't really see this as a lack of morals?
For the record, I'm as unhappy about the changes and the bootloader annoyances and everything but we're kidding ourselves if we think this community represents the majority of wireless consumers. They are going to do whatever they want to do to turn a bigger profit. It's nothing personal, just capitalism...
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regardless of how you feel. Verizon found a loophole to the forced unlocked bootloaders of the 700mhz spectrum. No other company forces you to drop unlimited if you renew. Also, as you said yourself, we make up a small percentage. Yet that small percentage is the percentage they on purpose try and control the most.
Also, yes their statement was bothersome. Should have gone, "I am sorry to hear that sir, but unfortunately there is nothing I can do for you concerning this issue you are having."
Not, Have fun with the competitions crappy service. Specially when they do not know who I am going too, they are making assumptions.
I understand capitalism, but this really isn't it. There is too heavy of an attempted monopoly attitude with these companies. They don't compete to earn your business, they assume you will get their business and you will do whatever they say, because of their phone and service offerings.
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regardless of how you feel. Verizon found a loophole to the forced unlocked bootloaders of the 700mhz spectrum. No other company forces you to drop unlimited if you renew. Also, as you said yourself, we make up a small percentage. Yet that small percentage is the percentage they on purpose try and control the most.
Also, yes their statement was bothersome. Should have gone, "I am sorry to hear that sir, but unfortunately there is nothing I can do for you concerning this issue you are having."
Not, Have fun with the competitions crappy service. Specially when they do not know who I am going too, they are making assumptions.
I understand capitalism, but this really isn't it. There is too heavy of an attempted monopoly attitude with these companies. They don't compete to earn your business, they assume you will get their business and you will do whatever they say, because of their phone and service offerings.
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Yea alright I'm done playing devil's advocate, I think we're mostly in agreement here.
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i tried, they completely dodged the questions and ended the chat verizon is seriously the worst
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ijustwantmydock said:
i tried, they completely dodged the questions and ended the chat verizon is seriously the worst
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Lololol. Webchat is a joke.
I am not siding with the VZW rep on this but it is competition that makes various businesses update/change policies. VZW cannot be to blame as your requests do not fall under the contract for which you signed. People take things for granted, if you are grandfathered into a unlimited data plan you should be happy with it. If you give someone an inch, they'll take a mile.
The providers all suck, each in their own unique ways. If you find the one that gives you awesome coverage, unlocked stock top-of-the-line cheap phones, provides OS upgrades quickly, no EFTs and unlimited data for great prices- please let me know where I can sign up!
Unlimited data is going away for everyone, just give it enough time. Grandfathers don't live forever.
richii0207 said:
I am not siding with the VZW rep on this but it is competition that makes various businesses update/change policies. VZW cannot be to blame as your requests do not fall under the contract for which you signed. People take things for granted, if you are grandfathered into a unlimited data plan you should be happy with it. If you give someone an inch, they'll take a mile.
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No what people are mad about is lack of competition.
You have four major wireless companies. A bunch of smaller companies.
The companies all have their little "thing" the other companies don't offer to try and real you in.
What needs to happen, is every carrier gets the same phones. May not be interchangable, but if one company gets phone B, all companies get phone B. All versions of phone B will be exactly identical, minus maybe GSM/CDMA etc. that HAS to be different.
All phones will be UMRP and sold at a subsidized price per the MFG. All your major and minor companies will then only have to focus on a few things. Coverage, plans, speed, and price. They could control the price of the phones too, and things would get better.
At this point, (ignore the fact it was kind of a fail advertising wise using it to prove a point) say the hot new phone comes out, the rezound, and you want it, you can have it on anybodies service. Now all four major companies, and if it applies, minor companies, will have to ACTUALLY compete to get your service. More mins for less money, unlimited data, better customer service. They would never burn you, because they know you won't be back, because they won't have that exclusive that you have to have.
this isn't exactly how it works over seas, but is closer, and from my understanding service over their is DIRT cheap, and look at the amount of phones over seas running cyanogenmod, aokp, MIUI, etc.
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You really think that second response about other coverage sucking was script?
I know some answers are, but that doesn't feel that way. Which would explain why they wouldn't respond about it.
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Actually, that is. Granted, it was worded poorly, but it's in their script to talk about how bad service is with other carriers.
I don't have your phone, or Verizon.. but your post is why I don't have that phone, or Verizon. I've always been confused why people pay so much more to be with Verizon.. I pay 64.50 per month with T-Mobile, unlimited minutes and texts with 2gb of data. I could pay 76.40 and have 5gigs of data, do you actually need more??
Everyone has their reasons for choosing the company they do, tho most don't have very well thought out reasons.. these companies let each other use each others service, so technically you don't get better service from one over another.
And to the last guy who was posting about the subsidy situation with the carriers, in almost any other country in the world, phones are not locked into the carrier, and the carrier doesn't have the say so over the phone, which we know simply isn't true here. These companies try to hold on to the way things are, and they aren't going to stop.. simply for all the reasons you named. They are in control. They've made us their *****. We have to deal with it until the majority of consumers here change their buying habits.. but just like so many other issues, I don't see us ever working together to make positive change.
to the open, switch companies and feel good about it. Vzw sucks, you won't miss them.
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Hey, kinda stumbled upon this while looking at the new fake Iphone 5 and was wondering if anyone else has come across this site and if they work in the states on Verizon wireless? i saw in a few comments that they do work but wasnt sure if it was serious since they are just trying to sell fake phones!
I thought it looked pretty odd, just a bunch of knock off devices but something to look at!
http://www.androidforcheap.com/
Appears they they only have 3G on their phones too! hahah
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Hey, kinda stumbled upon this while looking at the new fake Iphone 5 and was wondering if anyone else has come across this site and if they work in the states on Verizon wireless? i saw in a few comments that they do work but wasnt sure if it was serious since they are just trying to sell fake phones!
I thought it looked pretty odd, just a bunch of knock off devices but something to look at!
http://www.androidforcheap.com/
Appears they they only have 3G on their phones too! hahah
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Lol dafuq. Who would ever buy these?!
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That's scary lol
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haha i think its pretty hilarious.... they have an iphone fake that has a rom that looks identical to the IOS..... i dont think many Americans buy them haha im guessing more Chinese.... but who knows if any of them would run on VZW?
even take a look at this!
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/0...intend-to-sue-apple-upon-release-of-iphone-5/
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haha i think its pretty hilarious.... they have an iphone fake that has a rom that looks identical to the IOS..... i dont think many Americans buy them haha im guessing more Chinese.... but who knows if any of them would run on VZW?
even take a look at this!
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/09/0...intend-to-sue-apple-upon-release-of-iphone-5/
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No, none of them would run on verizon. Like you said, no one in the US really buys them, and the US is really the only place that uses CDMA networks (I think Korea does too in some parts) so all the phones are GSM
well heres a comment about someone asking if VZW works:
Date Added: 07/15/2012 by
Do this phone works or any of your phones work with Verizon wireless??
Admin Reply: yes sure
Date Added: 08/05/2012 by Brian
Do you guarantee this to work on u.s. verizon wireless?
Admin Reply: sure i can be sure it can work
Im not siding with these guys for a second but i think its funny they are just about guaranteeing they will work on VZW
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well heres a comment about someone asking if VZW works:
Date Added: 07/15/2012 by
Do this phone works or any of your phones work with Verizon wireless??
Admin Reply: yes sure
Date Added: 08/05/2012 by Brian
Do you guarantee this to work on u.s. verizon wireless?
Admin Reply: sure i can be sure it can work
Im not siding with these guys for a second but i think its funny they are just about guaranteeing they will work on VZW
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these are some pretty good knock-offs though... check out their youtube channel...
thats where i found the link, in the New iPhone 5 knock off video... looks exactly like the iphone 5 and even has an apple logo come up on boot.. quad core too. Looks identical to iOS but really just an android set up themed. they definitely put some work into them for a Chinese company
Wow, one can buy a dual-simm non-android dumb phone - quad band GSM for $30 plus $10 shipping.
I also looked at Aliexpress who has them for under $30 with free shipping from China.
If it works, then this iphone look-a-like can be a very low cost emergency phone on a pay per minute T-Mobile USA plan. Being quad-band it should work in every country of the world. Of course, no data, just voice and sms/mms.
I looked at this and thought for a for a cheap phone for someone (who doesn't own a Global Mode phone) who traveled internationally... buy a prepaid local SIM card and away you go.
Or, some of these phone might make decent media players or micro-tablets... just disable the mobile radios and away you go.
But, yeah, not gonna work on Verizon... I wouldn't be surprised if they do sell a few to the US though, people who are not so tech savvy would just believe it, drop their CC number down, and then they get a phone that doesn't work for what they wanted, what are they going to do? Think that company is going to refund their money for a device that is not actually defective?
Although they have no warranty policy listed on their site, the "Buyer Protection" stuff they have listed in FAQ section does say it does not cover buyers remorse BUT it does cover the device for 45 DAYS from the date of payment, provided you buy it through their website! lol
Haha. That's awesome... gotta appreciate their entrepreneurial spirit! I'm sure they are full of junk components, but I guess if they work for a year or so, they can give you a good "look."
Hello,
I didn't see anything in the rules section against this, but if it is against the rules I apologize in advance.
Since every other carrier is charging $299.99 for the Note 3 and Sprint it charging $349.99 I was hoping that we could petition Sprint to lower the price down to everyone elses level. I'm hoping that if I get enough people behind this a lot of people can save some money.
https://www.change.org/petitions/sprint-lower-the-2-year-contract-price-of-the-samsung-galaxy-note-3-to-299-99-like-other-carriers#
Thank you for looking and sorry if you disagree with me, I'm just a person trying to try not to get ripped off. If anyone on here has a reason for me as to why they are charging more for it than other carriers, please post it, but please post facts and have proof to back it up. Everyone gave me reasons on Sprints facebook page but no one wants to post any facts to back it up.
I am not on Sprint and never will be anytime soon but I signed it for you anyway
Good petition, promotes positive competition for us as consumers
lmike6453 said:
I am not on Sprint and never will be anytime soon but I signed it for you anyway
Good petition, promotes positive competition for us as consumers
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Thanks for signing it. Apparently everyone else doesn't care how much they pay for a phone however.
Signed bro... as I said on the petition this is one of MANY reasons I switched over to T-Mobile, which actually is offering the N3 for $199 btw.
So much for all carriers are offering it for $299 eh?
adventure_of_link said:
Signed bro... as I said on the petition this is one of MANY reasons I switched over to T-Mobile, which actually is offering the N3 for $199 btw.
So much for all carriers are offering it for $299 eh?
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That's 199 up front and $21 a month for 2 years! 21x24 is $504 plus the $199.99 up front and that's $703.99 over the two years.
Cool Petition though, I hope it gets you somewhere! **Signed**
Signed it for you as well, going to be ditching these guys soon anyway. Good luck.
Since when has a petition REALLY done anything in a situation like this?
If you really look at it, Sprint is not really any cheaper than verizon anyway.
voice-data coverage and speed once you do get data..
Sprint does offer unlimited data, but its more expensive than any other carrier for like 1% of
the coverage of any other carrier, and when you finally do find data its terribly slow.
Also, if you just wait a few weeks you can probably get it much much cheaper..
Signed. Thanks op
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I'm in the UK and this will have no effect over here, however, I've still signed it. Hope the price comes down following this petition.
I'm on AT&T, but I can understand wanting the same price as others. Signed.
Signed it as I want the N3 soon.
I have never seen so many people worked up over $50 before. You'd think it was a bank breaker the way some of you guys are whining and threatening to switch to T-Mobile, which actually turns out to be full retail price if you know math.
I understand you want it to be the same across carriers, I get it. That would be ideal, but seriously guys, it's $50, not $100. Sprint won't care how many people sign this petition.
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That's 199 up front and $21 a month for 2 years! 21x24 is $504 plus the $199.99 up front and that's $703.99 over the two years.
Cool Petition though, I hope it gets you somewhere! **Signed**
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Petition signed...
Also the T-mobile $199 myth is fascinating.... I spoke with a rep yesterday and she said not to move over from my current company..
grifter9931 said:
Petition signed...
Also the T-mobile $199 myth is fascinating.... I spoke with a rep yesterday and she said not to move over from my current company..
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What's more fascinating is that people fall for it! And upgrade twice a year, when ever you want. But what happens to the balance from your last phone?? Yeah pay it off or your bills goes UP!
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What's more fascinating is that people fall for it! And upgrade twice a year, when ever you want. But what happens to the balance from your last phone?? Yeah pay it off or your bills goes UP!
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You turn in your last phone and start over.
freeza said:
I have never seen so many people worked up over $50 before. You'd think it was a bank breaker the way some of you guys are whining and threatening to switch to T-Mobile, which actually turns out to be full retail price if you know math.
I understand you want it to be the same across carriers, I get it. That would be ideal, but seriously guys, it's $50, not $100. Sprint won't care how many people sign this petition.
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For some folks it the principle of the situation. For some others, they have no discernable arithmetic skills what so ever.
Yeah T-mobile I am bashing you....
grifter9931 said:
For some folks it the principle of the situation. For some others, they have no discernable arithmetic skills what so ever.
Yeah T-mobile I am bashing you....
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I understand that, but when you think about how Sprint is the cheapest carrier out of the 4, their pricing strategy suddenly starts to make sense. I'd rather pay a lower monthly bill and have them continue to undercut the competition at the expense of $50 added to a contract phone than to have the phones be the same price across the board with higher monthly bills. They have to make money somehow. You can't continue stay competitive and lose out every quarter. That's stupid business.
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I understand that, but when you think about how Sprint is the cheapest carrier out of the 4, their pricing strategy suddenly starts to make sense. I'd rather pay a lower monthly bill and have them continue to undercut the competition at the expense of $50 added to a contract phone than to have the phones be the same price across the board with higher monthly bills. They have to make money somehow. You can't continue stay competitive and lose out every quarter. That's stupid business.
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Of course,
I am a Sprint customer as well, the $50 pricing discrepancy doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I have a unlimited and I have a family plan. I have priced the competition over the years and I haven't found anything close to what I pay over a calendar year.
I have come to terms with the Tri-band fiasco, I just wish they would come out and say something that made absolute sense about the how's and the why's... It's not 1995 anymore news and especially things like pricing and service related news, travels fast and then blows up into Sprint bashing fodder on various internet sites.
I had two people over hear a conversation I had last night and left T-mobile to join Sprint... Math skills ftw!!
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Of course,
I am a Sprint customer as well, the $50 pricing discrepancy doesn't really sway me one way or the other. I have a unlimited and I have a family plan. I have priced the competition over the years and I haven't found anything close to what I pay over a calendar year.
I have come to terms with the Tri-band fiasco, I just wish they would come out and say something that made absolute sense about the how's and the why's... It's not 1995 anymore news and especially things like pricing and service related news, travels fast and then blows up into Sprint bashing fodder on various internet sites.
I had two people over hear a conversation I had last night and left T-mobile to join Sprint... Math skills ftw!!
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Nice to know there are still some very level headed logical thinking people out there! Agreed fully.
freeza said:
You turn in your last phone and start over.
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So essentially they will give you a trade in value of whatever you owe (as long as the phone isn't smashed) and you start the new payment plan. Gotcha!