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I ordered the MHL adaptor from T-Mobile's website yesterday, so I should get it today (yeah, I paid the extra $6 for overnight shipping).
Does this phone support FULL mirroring (i.e., when plugged in to TV, TV screen mirrors whatever is on the phone's screen)? I used the full HDMI app on my Evo 4G, and it was great for watching shows from HBO GO on my TV.
Has anyone tried it yet? If not, is there a review out there somewhere that specifically demonstrates this feature?
I guess I'll know tonight when I get home from work!
Thanks,
Rob
I haven't seen it specifically on this phone, but I've seen the Qualcomm MSM8660 demos showing full mirroring. We should be capable of it, but I haven't tried it out yet.
I'm surprised nobody's tried it yet!
Can you use the normal micro HDMI or do you have to buy the adapter to use HDMI? Lol kinda confused how this works with the new port? Could anyone explain? Thanks
You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
Does that help?
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I believe that was what he said in the first line..
rtmeikle said:
You need to buy an adaptor. Basically, it's a dongle that plugs into the USB (charger) on the E3D. The dongle/adaptor has a HDMI port on it, along with a USB port. You plug an HDMI cable into the HDMI port, and into the TV. You plug a charger into the USB port and into the wall.
So no, the HDMI cable from the EVO 4G (I have one too) won't work.
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Thanks for clearing that up!!
Back to the issue at hand... does it do HDMI mirroring or not? I have this bad ass HDMI integration in my Prius that is preventing me from upgrading from the 4G until at least HDMI mirroring is confirmed.
rictorg said:
Back to the issue at hand... does it do HDMI mirroring or not? I have this bad ass HDMI integration in my Prius that is preventing me from upgrading from the 4G until at least HDMI mirroring is confirmed.
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According to this demo from CTIA it appears it can, but this is unfinished testing hardware/firmware so it's still not a confirmation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ynmqtopi9g
This doesn't exactly give you an answer with the level of certainty you are looking for but it's a good sign. We should see some end users with feedback on HDMI features on the production phone streaming in any time now that hopefully confirms that it can do this across any application without problems or limitations.
rtmeikle said:
I ordered the MHL adaptor from T-Mobile's website yesterday, so I should get it today (yeah, I paid the extra $6 for overnight shipping).
Does this phone support FULL mirroring (i.e., when plugged in to TV, TV screen mirrors whatever is on the phone's screen)? I used the full HDMI app on my Evo 4G, and it was great for watching shows from HBO GO on my TV.
Has anyone tried it yet? If not, is there a review out there somewhere that specifically demonstrates this feature?
I guess I'll know tonight when I get home from work!
Thanks,
Rob
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hey rtmeikle . I also got the mhl from tmobile. I hooked it up last night to sadly find out that hdmi mirroring is not supported at all. It was all a big hype it appears. Were you able to get it working? I'm hoping that you were so maybe its just my device....if not, then this phone is going back.
Yep, I got mine yesterday and tested it. It works fine.
You have to have the adaptor plugged in to the phone, a charger plugged to the adaptor, and the HDMI cable running from the phone to the TV.
I got full HDMI mirroring which automatically switched to landscape when I tested Netflix and HBO Go.
Rob
interesting. thanks for the quick respond. When i connect it to my hd tv all i get on the phone is a message that says *HDMI play a video or slideshow to display via hdmi* on the notifications bar. When I click that, nothing happens...
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interesting. thanks for the quick respond. When i connect it to my hd tv all i get on the phone is a message that says *HDMI play a video or slideshow to display via hdmi* on the notifications bar. When I click that, nothing happens...
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Strange. The image of my home screen just popped up on my TV; I didn't have to do anything.
I tested it on the TV in my bedroom, a 3-yr-old Samsung 42" Plasma, nothing fancy.
Maybe tonight I'll test it on my other two TVs and see if it works on all of them.
did you allow the latest OTA upgrade or did you cancel it? I allowed it as soon as I turned the phone on. I also tried it on my 58 samsung plasma hdtv. Its not that old but also not that new.
I'm going to try it tonight on my smaller 32 inch lcd hd tv to see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't though.
Not like it matters since all MHL cables are the same but here is the MHL adapter I'm using: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/AddOns...4ec1-a08e-e133fa772d53&inCart=True&catCode=23
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did you allow the latest OTA upgrade or did you cancel it? I allowed it as soon as I turned the phone on. I also tried it on my 58 samsung plasma hdtv. Its not that old but also not that new.
I'm going to try it tonight on my smaller 32 inch lcd hd tv to see if that makes a difference. It shouldn't though.
Not like it matters since all MHL cables are the same but here is the MHL adapter I'm using: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/AddOns...4ec1-a08e-e133fa772d53&inCart=True&catCode=23
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Yep, I've accepted the OTAs. And I'm using the exact same adaptor. Did you plug power into the adaptor too? I didnt' try without plugging it in, but I've heard that it needs to be plugged in to work.
Ok, i finaly got it to work. It wasn't a problem with the phone but a problem with the tv. I had to change some resolution settings on the tv and presto! Hdmi mirroring on its full glory
Now, do you know if I can pair up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse? Thats next for me.
Thanks for all the help.
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Now, do you know if I can pair up a bluetooth keyboard and mouse? Thats next for me.
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This is what I am currently doing. I have hooked up the following.
Mouse: Microsoft Bluetooth Notebook Mouse 5000
Keyboard: Logitech MX5500 Keyboard
The keyboard works great. I can type in the applications and setup my keys in the emulators just fine (snesoid etc)
Mouse functionality though is different then you may expect. You don't get a mouse cursor, it just "highlights" selections then you "left click" to go forward. According to my research the right mouse button is supposed to "go back" but is not working for me.
I put up a thread asking others for help with it, so if I find an answer I will let you know.
Updating you on what I found out about the mouse.
"Well it looks like the fancy mouse support with a cursor and button functionality was something that was included in CyanogenMod 6.X then removed on CyanogenMod 7.
They then added a patch for version 7. But now apparently it is being included in his latest CyanogenMod.
Regardless, it appears you need root access "
wait so how do you charge your phone if you use that hdmi adapter? anyone have a link?
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wait so how do you charge your phone if you use that hdmi adapter? anyone have a link?
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the adapter has a USB plug that you use to hook up to a charger, and will charge your phone. Newer TVs are coming that will support charging over HDMI via the MHL adapter, there may be some out but I think will be a standard in 2012 TVs.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/expansys-mhl-to-hdmi-adapter-black-218572/
http://www.expansys-usa.com/htc-sensation-mhl-cable-ac-m490-extmicro-usb-12-pin-to-hdmi-218634/
the HTC one looks lke it includes a HDMI cable, too, but you can see the usb port on each adapter for charging.
Does anybody have any info on when this cable will be available? I was also wondering if anyone knows if I can play the 3D Movie from my phone on my 3D T.V. with this cable.
I don't have a 3D tv, so I can't test the 3D aspect of the cable, but I have tested the HDMI mirroring.
I ordered the MHL adaptor from T-Mobile's website. Look under the "data" accessories for the Sensation.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Addons/Accessories/Default.aspx
It was $19 plus shipping. I tried a few local T-Mo stores, but nobody had it.
Anyway, I tested it last night. You need to have a charger, a normal HDMI cable, and the adaptor. The adaptor plugs into your phone's USB port, and then you need to plug the adaptor into your phone's charger and into the HDMI cable running to the TV.
You'll get full HDMI mirroring, meaning whatever is on your phone's display is on the TV. I only tested for a few minutes, but when I first attached it, there was a portrait view of my phone's screen up on the TV. I then tested both Netflix and HBO Go, which both flipped the image to landscape, filling the TV screen. Quality was pretty good with Netflix, and only adequate with HBO Go.
Hope that helps!
Rob
Anyone tested a non-MHL micro-USB to HDMI? I don't need charging, just want to display to a non-3D set.
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Anyone tested a non-MHL micro-USB to HDMI? I don't need charging, just want to display to a non-3D set.
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No such thing. Must be plugged in to charge in order for the HDMI out to work.
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Anyone tested a non-MHL micro-USB to HDMI? I don't need charging, just want to display to a non-3D set.
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Show me a non-MHL micro-USB to HDMI adapter/cable.
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What a crappy setup. I MUCH prefer the Evo 4G way. With this I have to carry my charger, the USB cord for the charger, a full size HDMI cable, and this adapter? LAME.
You know there's a search button right? There are about 20 threads loaded with MHL information.
Did anyone receive the HDMI adapter in the box for the AT&T Galaxy S II ? I read that it should be included but did not receive it.
Nope. Not in the AT&T box
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Nope. It doesn't come with AT&T version. AT&T version, all you get is the phone, battery, ac charger, usb cable, $25 media hub (tv shows only), manuals.
The infuse comes with one. The galaxy doesn't included one.
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So a MiniUSB (or microUSB, whatever is ours) --> HDMI cable works from the phone?
only if your tv has MHL built into it
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only if your tv has MHL built into it
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curoius, do most newer tv's have MHL built in? or probably not?
all i can find when i type my tv's model number and MHL into google is.. my tv with some hockey info (NHL) hehe..
google is too smart for its own good sometimes.
Based upon what I've seen, you need a MHL adapter for the phone. Its just a little box that plugs into USB, and had a USB port on it for power input and an HDMI port. There's cheap out there, like this one.
I have an MHL adapter and it does work but you need to plug the power into the thing in order for it to do anything. My receiver has usb and hdmi on the front so that works for me. It would be nice to have 1 cable, but this works.
Unfortunately I believe that's the case with any MHL device. There's a chip inside that box that transcribes the MHL signal (coming over the 5 pin USB connector) to a full HDMI signal, and it requires power. It's not all that bad though, as you would probably want to be charging your phone while playing a video anyways.
Exactly it is nice it does have power. Unlike the ipad to vga dongle lol.
Eventually most of the high end TVs will have the MHL. You will still need the adapter but you will not need to power it. The TV will not only power your phone but charge it.
I pocketed the HDMI MHL adapter from my infuse when I returned it under the 30 day ATT trial... The screen was pixelated in my infuse in the top left hand corner so they were more concerned with my device being defective than me just not liking it and only asked me if the charger was in the box.
Honestly, who actually hooks their phone to their tv? I never have.
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Honestly, who actually hooks their phone to their tv? I never have.
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The treadmills at my gym have lcd 's on them, I hook up my phone to it every single day and watch videos while exercising.
I wonder if anyone can report on this:
dealextreme.com/p/mini-usb-on-the-go-host-otg-adapter-2-pack-50944
USB->HDMI adapter for SGS2?
I'm inclined to give it try...
The above link is for connecting a USB device, such as a thumb drive or keyboard to a mini USB device. Useful for us? yes. Useful for hdmi output? No.
hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
Timoxa said:
hey.
i have sailed the internetz looking for answers for this. but i thought ild ask what everyone else thought.
would atrix lapdock work with sg2? (with mods off course) like changing the connectors about. and using a mhl to hdmi cable?
i was looking at the connectors and it is a micro hdmi and a micro usb if im not wrong..
whats everyones thoughts to this???
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My thoughts; not sure if serious...
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My thoughts; not sure if serious...
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what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
Timoxa said:
what do you mean by that? its a valid question.
i know for sure you can connect your sg2 to the hdmi to display. but its the trackpad and keyboard im wondering about the most?
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
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NO.
Atrix has two different output ports. Micro USB for charging and data transfer, and micro-HDMI for TV-out. The laptop dock specific (I stress specific) for the Atrix uses BOTH of these ports in conjuction.
Galaxy S2 has ONE output port, a micro USB port that doubles for charging/data transfer, and connection to the optional MHL adapter accessory.
In NO WAY would you be able to MacGyver the Galaxy S2 to use the Atrix laptop dock.
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alright. well thanks for the answer. guess il have to look for another idea. possibly using portable hd screen and a bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
cheers anyway.
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You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
phire420 said:
You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
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ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
phire420 said:
You know... it just might work. The atrix lapdock does feed 5v power up the usb port which you could adapt from micro usb to whichever varient you need on your MHL cable. This would provide the power necessary to drive the hdmi circuitry that you had feeding into the micro hdmi input of the lapdock. Obviously you wouldnt have a true 'dock' but it sounds like you understand that. As long as your phone detected the mouse and keyboard as input devices it should work. Not sure how that operates with an MHL cable. It might require USB OTG, and im not sure if that is available over the USB connectivity provided by MHL. You could try with a standard usb keyboard If that works, then the lapdocks should too.
I know for certain that you can use the lapdock as the screen by just connecting the video out of the MHL adapter to the lapdock, and a usb power only cable (for the MHL adapter) to the lapdocks normal USB charge ports.
There is a thread called Lapdock HDMI that has more details!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1376679
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
Timoxa said:
ive seen some mhl cables online which have a micro usb port on the side also. so you can plug in the micro hdmi and usb at the same time .. not as the other guy said. anyway im going to order the dock to see what mods i can get done. if anything promising il repost.
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No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
Have you even looked at the connections involved here?
The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them.
The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation. I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
No - the micro USB port on the side of the MHL adapter is for power. If the HDMI port you plug into is NOT MHL compliant (and not many are, yet), you need to plug an AC adapter in to power the phone while HDMI is in use.
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well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
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well. theres allot of different mhl cables. even if none of them support it. splitting the usb data from the other cables on the mhl should be easy. but like i said il order one to play with. im pretty sure even if i cant do anything with the sg2 il find another use for it. would be great for a project. but many thanks for your input. sure has shed some light in the dark.
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Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post. Info specific on why this DOESN'T work is at about 7:25.
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Sure, there are a lot of MHL cables, but they are all essentially third party versions of the OEM Samsung MHL cable. (or whatever phone manufacturer you have that uses MHL - HTC, whatever)
I have high doubts ANY MHL cable will support it, since as I said, the phone will detect what type of connection is attached to decide how to send/receive signals from the port - if it sees the MHL adapter, it will do charge/HDMI; if it sees a regular USB cable, it will do charge/data transfer/OTG; if it sees an AC adapter, it does strictly charging. Notice how it can tell the difference when you have it plugged into your computer as opposed to when you have it plugged into the wall?
But if you want to go for it, good luck.
EDIT: yet another piece of info shooting this idea down.
Here's the video that he talks about in that post.
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i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
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i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning, il have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth. ive have just looked at the specifications of a mhl even though they can in theory support usb and hdmi at the same time. the sg2 wont. and i cant see any software mod that would allow this. il see what sort of bluetooth mods are available. maybe incorporate stuff i have done in the past. but the dock is too good to pass by.
i think we can close this thread as its been answered.
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Not to nitpick, but it's MHL 1.0 that won't support it. The GS2 just uses MHL. Who knows if there's a possibility to update it to whatever MHL 2.0 is, whenever it comes out.
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That thread is from the Atrix forum. What bearing does that have on the argument on getting this working on an S2??
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Noone is 'arguing', instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
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Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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See this thread, which is admittedly for the Galaxy Nexus, but is WAY more relevant than the Atrix thread you linked, as the GNex is also manufactured by Samsung, and also uses MHL technology.
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actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
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Noone is 'arguing'
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Seriously? You're arguing that no one is arguing? By arguing?
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instead I am trying to be productive and help. Forgive me opening the door to actually trying it and thinking it through instead of just saying 'THERE IS NO WAY ITS POSSIBLE, OMG ATRIX FORUM'. you do know where you are.. right?
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Yes, I do. In the I9100 forums. Which is based on completely different hardware and architecture than the Motorola Atrix.
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Have you even looked at the connections involved here? The Atrix's micro USB and micro HDMI port are side by side, and the dock plugs into both of them. The MHL cable plugs into the ONLY port on the S2.
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yes, of course. you couldn't tell by my reply?
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Clearly not, since you apparently understand less about how MHL works than I do.
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So I'm certainly not an expert on the inner workings of MHL, USB, and HDMI, but from what I can gather, you would have to splice an MHL cable to separate out the USB leads from the HDMI leads, then try to run the HDMI leads into a micro HDMI female port, and run the USB leads to a female micro USB port. I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation.
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Right, which is why i even posted in the first place. First you claimed to know, now you dont know, not very helpful. and yes, i think its understood there would be cables and a potential need for splicing, as outlined in the other lapdock thread.
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Actually, I said I'm not an expert. Not that I didn't know. That's two different things. I notice you also conveniently left off the part of my quote after the part that said "I don't even know if that would work with MHL in the equation" which read:
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I'm fairly certain the phone detects what is plugged in and decides how to use the port, which shoots this down idea down altogether... unless more hacking is involved into the OS. Which is way above my head, and I'm not fool enough to try.
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phire420 said:
actually the other thread is perfectly relevant, if you read it, you would understand the point of the thread is a howto on interfacing the lapdock with devices OTHER than the atrix, how could it be more relevant?
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Sure, relevant. But not, at the same time. Look at post 10 of that thread. It says "The lapdock keyboard and touchpad work just like a normal USB keyboard and mouse."
Now, clearly I read the thread you linked. Did YOU read anything I linked, or watch the video featuring a spokesman from the frigging MHL consortium??? How he said HDMI out and USB will NOT work at the same time on any phone that utilizes MHL, not just the Galaxy S2? And goes on to explain why?
You started this fight with:
phire420 said:
As for the person saying it is or was impossible... you so sure now?
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in post 6. Get off your frigging high-and-mighty-horse, and crawl back under your bridge.
Timoxa said:
i pretty much thought the usb and hdmi wouldnt work from the beginning
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Video will work, but as ctomgee stated and linked, usb wont work at the same time
Timoxa said:
ill have to look into modding the dock to allow bluetooth.
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good luck m8 id love to see if you can pull this off!
you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
rmyc said:
you can always solder in a usb-Bluetooth tx so that the keypad and keyboard will work via bluetooth and hdmi via MHL. thats the only way
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sounds like it's a possible solution, i'm trying to find a way to use the lapdock with my galaxy s3. any idea where we can get a usb-bluetooth tx? pair this setup with allshare dongle for wireless transmission to hdmi, we'll hv a total wireless solution to connect any phone to the lapdock?!
Hey there, i have tried gathering information about this subject and it seems all threads always lead to this announcement:
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/06/29/galaxy-s-iii-new-mhl-connector-also-enables-usb-on-go/
Short: Samsung have changed to an 11 Pin-out to enable USB OTG and MHL Hdmi out at the same time. I purchased an original HDTV Adapter (EPL-3FHUBEGSTD) which as far as i can reliably count indeed has about 11 connectors inside the USB connector that goes into the phone.
Now, i can get HDMI out just fine, but ONLY when i also connect the MHL adapter to a power source (a PC USB Port will do fine), however i have also read, that the phone is able to power the MHL adapter itself but obviously would not be charged then (no surprises there). This does not work however.
Further, connecting a USB OTG cable to the micro usb port on the MHL adapter does nothing. No notification and no devices connecting. No power either, since the LED on my USB Hub does not light up as it should. Connecting any devices to the hub does nothing to change that situation. If i leave out the MHL adapter and connect the USB OTG cable directly to the phone, everything works perfectly. I have tried this with 2 different OTG cables so they are not the problem.
This is an original genuine HDTV Adapter for our phones, which according to that post should be working fine with USB OTG.
AFAIK, this topic --does-- come up more frequently now as i can find a few more discussions about it, albeit none really helpful:
http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-of-11-pin-mhl-connector-in-samsung-galaxy-s3
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1743128
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1803079
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_High-Definition_Link#11-pin_MHL-USB_Connector
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1811435
That wiki entry is the most interesting link as it definitely states that using MHL and USB OTG simultaneously is possible and is also the reason why the 5 pin layout was changed to an 11 Pin layout.
Looking forward to reading your replies!
the ability to use MHL and OTG simultaneously would give the S3 so much more purpose. It is powerful enough to replace a desktop computer used only for light stuff like browsing and watching videos, and even simple gaming. If samsung made a dock like the one for the motorola atrix I'm convinced they will broaden their target group. The atrix got everything right with this but is inferior hardware wise. I love the idea of a one device for everything concept. Unfortunately it doesn't rhyme very well with the growth society.
Love the MHL and the OTG is even better only after I got the correct cables as the cables changed on S3 to the S2 version, unlimited space for watching films on my phone is now awesome and even better connecting it to to the TV just need a good dock,
is there perhaps any expert advise on this? According to multiple sources it should work but really doesnt. Did i buy the wrong mhl adapter?
I think they will only both work together when being used with an MHL enabled tv. That way the power comes from the tv and the usb on the adapter can be used for the usb-otg cable.
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But if i connected the MHL with the s3. Would sound come out of my phone AND my TV or just my TV. If it justs comes out of my TV, then can i hook up my bluetooth headphones and listen to my video or it would not allow me?
Thanks
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But if i connected the MHL with the s3. Would sound come out of my phone AND my TV or just my TV. If it justs comes out of my TV, then can i hook up my bluetooth headphones and listen to my video or it would not allow me?
Thanks
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I think you already got a reply in the other thread on this, you should use subscriptions.
mertzi said:
I think you already got a reply in the other thread on this, you should use subscriptions.
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It wasnt clear.
No1 knows the actual answer to this questions. Really frustraing
joysleep said:
It wasnt clear.
No1 knows the actual answer to this questions. Really frustraing
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Ah ok sorry! Afaik you should be able to choose your headphones as primary audio source in the bluetooth settings. I know I can choose what I want to be output to my bluetooth headset, but I don't own an MHL adapter so I don't know about that. Someone with one should be able to try it, and if they don't own a bluetooth headset/pair of headphones they could try with wired ones and see what happens.
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Ah ok sorry! Afaik you should be able to choose your headphones as primary audio source in the bluetooth settings. I know I can choose what I want to be output to my bluetooth headset, but I don't own an MHL adapter so I don't know about that. Someone with one should be able to try it, and if they don't own a bluetooth headset/pair of headphones they could try with wired ones and see what happens.
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I have recently received an MHL connector (5 pin type) and the samsung 11 to 5 pin adapter for it. I can confirm that if I plug my OTG cable into it, and then into my powered USB hub, I can get the MHL to work just fine, both video and audio. The OTG cable powers it just fine, but does NOT allow me to use other devices attached to the USB hub.
I am still researching. I suspect you need to bring all 11 pins off the phone with a splitter of some sort, or possibly wire data lines through the MHL. Probably not with the 5 pin MHL connector and 11 to 5 pin adapter, but with the full 11 pin MHL adapter. I am not up to that level of hardware hacking. I suspect whoever does it first can sell a BUNCH of them!
Oh, and I have a Moto Lapdock for my Raspberry Pi, and would love to hook my S3 to it too!
Scott