Evo 3d changing specs? - HTC EVO 3D

Went online last night looking for any new news on the evo 3d. I came across several websites that seem to contradict each other as far as the specs go. I came across sites stating it will have 1gb internal memory others say it is 4gb. I understand the contradiction on that due to the initial contradicting spec posts by sprint and htc and the cdma vs gsm thing. However I came across other sites that are now stating 8gb as the internal memory. No I am not mixing this up with the included 8gb memory card as it specifically stated "8gb of internal memory" and the memory card was actually listed further down the spec list. Can anyone shed light on this subject?
Sent by my evo 4g using sprint 4g network.

HTC has a sprint version /cdma that has 4gb internal with a 8gb SD card. The 1gb internal is the GSM version.
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You are looking at the GSM version vs the CDMA version specs.

Yeah that's the info I knew to be true. I just ran across a few sites that specifically stated "8gb of internal memory" so I was just curious if there was decision to up the memory or if it was just a mistake on the sites. I felt it was worth asking since it wasn't just one site it was multiple that posted this.
Sent by my evo 4g using sprint 4g network.

http://phandroid.com/htc-evo-3d/#specs
Sent by my evo 4g using sprint 4g network.

But the EVO 3D has more going for it than just the 3D capabilities... it's a solid phone on it's own. With a 5MP camera (that also records 3D content), QHD screen, 1.2GHz dual core processor, 4GB of internal memory, 1GB of RAM, and a huge 1730 mAh battery, the EVO 3D is a beast of a multimedia device.
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http://phandroid.com/htc-evo-3d/
That link look familiar? It should... Same link you posted.
So, I ask again, post some more of your links (plural) that site odd specs and were written AFTER April 1st.

just go to HTC's USA site, and voila.
http://www.htc.com/us/products/evo3d-sprint#tech-specs
4GB eMMC / RAM 1GB

Sure would be nice if Sprint/HTC also hooked us up with a 32GB SD card like the Thunderbolt got.

Verizon charges for that sd card... They pass the cost on to the people buying the thunderbolt...
If sprint included a card, I would only buy the package deal if forced then sell the card to offset the cost on a quality 32GB class 10 like the patriot I bought at Fry's for 90$... Even so, I would rather not pay extra for a crap class 2 sd card... Rather buy the Evo as cheaply as possible.

WAIT!!!!!
I think we missed something on the htc website i haven't looked much into this since I Initially looked into the g2 another htc device which also had a 4gb emmc internal memory. but giving the fact that running at x4 was too unstable due to low voltage stability issues they partition a huge chunk at x2 "enhanced user"which almost halfed the amount of internal memory... to 2.10GB to be exact. if the same is true for te evo 3d then expect actual 2.10 GB internal memory

trukenx said:
I think we missed something on the htc website i haven't looked much into this since I Initially looked into the g2 another htc device which also had a 4gb emmc internal memory. but giving the fact that running at x4 was too unstable due to low voltage stability issues they partition a huge chunk at x2 "enhanced user"which almost halfed the amount of internal memory... to 2.10GB to be exact. if the same is true for te evo 3d then expect actual 2.10 GB internal memory
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wow if that ends up being true I'm going to be seriously pissed
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4gb microsd 28th of this month

Not sure if anyone had seen this yet http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3359487/Sandisk-4GB-Micro-SD-Card/Product.html
£54 in two weeks time.....
Been waiting for these for ages as had 4GB in my Prophet I've been feeling the pinch with only 2GB in the Hermes.
At last!
which i had £54 spare to buy one lol
great, thanks for the link
jwhitham said:
Not sure if anyone had seen this yet http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/3359487/Sandisk-4GB-Micro-SD-Card/Product.html
£54 in two weeks time.....
Been waiting for these for ages as had 4GB in my Prophet I've been feeling the pinch with only 2GB in the Hermes.
At last!
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Nice find, i'll b ordering one of these.
Thanks for the link
I'm not sure this won't work in a Hermes as it will be SDCH card, unless I'm missing out on something.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296833
I'd bet the newer WM6 builds will support this card tho...
Ah, is it mearly a software issue then? I assumed it was some hard coding of a hardwear chip issue.
Moby
I prefer using Moby Memory for my bits, and they're usually a bit cheaper...
http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SDSDQ-4096
£3 cheaper on this occassion....
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I prefer using Moby Memory for my bits, and they're usually a bit cheaper...
http://www.mobymemory.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SDSDQ-4096
£3 cheaper on this occassion....
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Thank, just ordered mine
That's odd, the one on Play.com doesn't advertise the fact it is SDHC, but the MobyMemory one does. I wonder if the play.com is one of the non-standard ones?
MicroSDHC 4Gb. TyTN's compatibility?
Could someone confirm if this microSDHC is compatible with TyTN (hermes 200)?
I read on other foruns that is not compatible (maybe with WM05...). :?
Just have to wait till they come out and someone else has acuttaly tried putting one in there device!
I just hope the hermes supports it correctly, ie doesnt kill batt life e.t.c.
Oh and its going to need to be fat32 formatted, which shouldnt make much odds.
see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=290117868659
I will let you know whether it works when mine arrives
When it's over the 2Gb , it has to be HC. The HC makes the addressing of hight then the FAT maximum addresable of 2Gb. Some 2Gb cards are and others are not, but anything over 2Gb is High Capacity period. So you NEED to have FAT32 also on these... otherwise, if you manage to format it in FAT, it will acutally have 2Gb of space only.
Percz said:
That's odd, the one on Play.com doesn't advertise the fact it is SDHC, but the MobyMemory one does. I wonder if the play.com is one of the non-standard ones?
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When it's over the 2Gb , it has to be HC. The HC makes the addressing of hight then the FAT maximum addresable of 2Gb. Some 2Gb cards are and others are not, but anything over 2Gb is High Capacity period. So you NEED to have FAT32 also on these... otherwise, if you manage to format it in FAT, it will acutally have 2Gb of space only.
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Why?? I have a 4gb SD for my (gasp!!) LifeDrive that is not SDHC. Formatted with Fat32, but not SDHC. Same design, just bigger, isn't it? The question is, would my 8525 handle a >2gb microSD, not -HC?
Would be interested to see how these go so I can drop my iPod nano 4GB and use this in the car with my CK-20W A2DP Car Kit
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Why?? I have a 4gb SD for my (gasp!!) LifeDrive that is not SDHC. Formatted with Fat32, but not SDHC. Same design, just bigger, isn't it? The question is, would my 8525 handle a >2gb microSD, not -HC?
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That's pritty much my point. In normal SD cards they have found a way to make 4GB's without SDHC, somehow. There not made to the official standard of either SDHC or just plain SD though; so it's even more confusing for people!
I believe it's to do with the fact that FAT32 is not part of the SD specification but the non-SDHC 4GB cards use it anyway.
But anyway, those not so keen on buying the 4GB straight away will just have to wait and see what others report.
At the moment the fact 4GB is so much more per GB then 2GB or 1GB is putting me off, but then that's always the same with the newest.
I just got a mail from mobymemory, they're pushing back the delivery date to the 22nd of June
What about microSD 8Gb...
Dudes,
What about Samsung microSD 8Gb?
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VZW Touch Pro - 128 RAM???!!!???

The Touch Pro is now available on Verizon's site (LINK)... does anyone know if the RAM is a typo?
Memory: 512MB Flash/128MB RAM
According to the HTC site its 192MB and the word is it breaks down to 64MB of RAM that is dedicated to either O/S or graphics and 128MB for other programs...
Confirmation to follow when mine arrives tomorrow!
Verizon neutered both the Touch Diamond (lowered internal storage and added microSD slot, lowered CPU speed) and the Touch Pro (lowered memory and maybe more).
bummer deal...sounds like the Titan all over again. That's why I'm getting away from it.
They also removed the FM Radio and accelerometer.
Man do I HATE Verizon, and love being with AT&T.
Just to be clear on a few things.....
The Touch Pro from Verizon has all of the following...
192MB RAM
528MHz CPU
Accelerometer
FM Radio (although not enabled)
Also, the Diamond hasn't even been officially released so no one really knows whether it has the 4GB internal memory or not.
Personally I'd be happy if it doesn't, considering you can get a 16GB MicroSDHC card for like $30
And following the specs of the Touch Pro, i doubt the CPU is any slower either.
Alrighty, now that all the blind hate is over with, we can move on...
On an interesting note, if you use the compare function on the site, it shows 192 RAM... maybe there is hope afterall!
blancmik said:
On an interesting note, if you use the compare function on the site, it shows 192 RAM... maybe there is hope afterall!
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the 128 listed is the available memory after the OS and software take up the first 64 megs
Namtaru said:
Just to be clear on a few things.....
The Touch Pro from Verizon has all of the following...
192MB RAM
528MHz CPU
Accelerometer
FM Radio (although not enabled)
Also, the Diamond hasn't even been officially released so no one really knows whether it has the 4GB internal memory or not.
Personally I'd be happy if it doesn't, considering you can get a 16GB MicroSDHC card for like $30
And following the specs of the Touch Pro, i doubt the CPU is any slower either.
Alrighty, now that all the blind hate is over with, we can move on...
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According to this site, you are not correct.
It was also believed that Sprint's Touch Pro had the FM Radio present but disabled, but it was quickly discovered that the hardware is physically removed from the device.
A phone company would not list the phone with 128MB RAM unless that is all it has. AT&T lists the Fuze's memory at 192MB RAM.
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According to this site, you are not correct.
It was also believed that Sprint's Touch Pro had the FM Radio present but disabled, but it was quickly discovered that the hardware is physically removed from the device.
A phone company would not list the phone with 128MB RAM unless that is all it has. AT&T lists the Fuze's memory at 192MB RAM.
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Right off Verizon's website....
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On the primary page of the Touch Pro they are advertising the amount of ram available after the OS and programs use the dedicated 64MB chip
And while we're at it, the Fuze has 256MB of RAM, just an FYI
if yall go to the HTC web site it tells you what the device has and whats avaiable to the user.
Wondering if anyone will write a good custom rom for this one - like DCD or N2C
kashabrown said:
Wondering if anyone will write a good custom rom for this one - like DCD or N2C
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n2c already has, nuerom.com and dcd is expecting his tp anytime now last I heard
I'm surprised no one has said anything about the diff CPU.
I have a VZW Touch Pro in hand...
CPU is a Qualcomm 7500A (528MHZ)
Ram size is 192MB (OS takes 78.71MB)
Flash size 512MB
OS memory 170.28MB
Storage 341.72MB
Very cool. Thanks for the confirmation!
aureusveritas said:
CPU is a Qualcomm 7500A (528MHZ)
Ram size is 192MB (OS takes 78.71MB)
Flash size 512MB
OS memory 170.28MB
Storage 341.72MB
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NotATreoFan said:
They also removed the FM Radio and accelerometer.
Man do I HATE Verizon, and love being with AT&T.
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The accelerometer is there. I just unboxed and fired her up ;c)
Cent get GPS working though.
scrosler said:
The accelerometer is there. I just unboxed and fired her up ;c)
Cent get GPS working though.
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Scott, I thought you were doing the vogue thing? You have one of these now? I want one but cant stomach paying over $500 for one. I have a year left on contract.....
viper8u2 said:
Scott, I thought you were doing the vogue thing? You have one of these now? I want one but cant stomach paying over $500 for one. I have a year left on contract.....
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They gave it to me fore $75.00. I have a Vouge that I just got free on Friday. I saw this on Monday and had them O/N me one. I have to send teh vouge back and pay the $75.00 difference. I dont know at thgis point. I have them both for nearly 30 days so to decide. I love my vouge, dont get me wrong but this is something new I have to play with for a while ;c)
BTW: Its got 128 megs ram. Thats it. Not 192. End of discussion. If so then something is horribly amis with my phone as I only boot with about 45 megs free ;c( Very very disapointed!
Screenshot! It has less free memory than my Vouge on boot up? WTF?!?!?!?!
Ok, I honestly dont know how much memory this thing has. But the screenshot is real on a fresh boot with TF3D enabled.
so does the verizon version have the faceted back or the the same flat back as all the other cdma models

32GB capable?

Can anyone with an X10 tell me if they have used a 32gb SD card on the X10?
Phone shops I have been to have no idea and aren't able to test this for me by opening up a box and putting a 32gb card in the phone.
Perhaps since the 32gb microSD card was released only 23 March 2010 the information on most websites is from 2009?
I find it hard to believe the hardware in this phone can only support 16gb.
Can anyone with the phone and microSD card let us know the real capacity please?
good point, i´d really like a 32gb card in my x10 when it comes!!!
I haven't used it, but the articles I read about the early 32GB cards to market said they use standard SDHC, and thus should be compatible with all SDHC-compliant hardware. Anything beyond 32GB will be using a newer standard that will require specific compliance (as SDHC did before).
kakahara, we have all got together and voted that you should buy one and test it out. We want you to know up front we appriciate you taking one for the team!
Will get mine soon(today or top a day or so from now) then i will try it out.
Ariozo said:
Will get mine soon(today or top a day or so from now) then i will try it out.
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Great! Please share with us if it works! I'd really like 32GB in my X10!
Did you have any luck with the 32Gb card?
Sorry guys but according to sonyericsson website x10 specs page it supports up to 16GB SD card.
Memory: Phone memory 1GB
microSD™ up to 16GB, 8GB included
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Sorry guys but according to sonyericsson website x10 specs page it supports up to 16GB SD card.
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That's likely because when the page was put up, 32GB MicroSD cards didn't exist. Sandisk released the first one only two weeks ago. According to The Inquirer's article, it *should* work in most devices that support 16GB cards.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1597521/sandisk-launches-32gb-microsd
Yup, i think this thread is after the 'suck it and see' method, I am also waiting to hear the results!
(argh a 5 min per post limit on newbies as well? *sigh*!)
still waiting to hear the results.
damn! keep coming back here hoping the guy would post his results.. not yet. Anxious to hear if a 32gb works
The product launch flyer of Rogers Canada:
"Expandable memory up to 32GB - 16GB included in box"
Can't post the link, here but it's at Boygeniusreport.com
kakahara said:
Can anyone with an X10 tell me if they have used a 32gb SD card on the X10?
Phone shops I have been to have no idea and aren't able to test this for me by opening up a box and putting a 32gb card in the phone.
Perhaps since the 32gb microSD card was released only 23 March 2010 the information on most websites is from 2009?
I find it hard to believe the hardware in this phone can only support 16gb.
Can anyone with the phone and microSD card let us know the real capacity please?
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Memory
Internal:1 GB
Expandable:Up to 32 GB (16 GB card included)
Format:microSD™
Taken from rogers website (cant put the link, if you want to be sure, just go to rogers web site, then put quebec or ontario, english (only english work) then look for the phone)
So yea, 32gb is ok!
This good to hear I'd love to get me one of those 32G
This might help
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Tested the Sandisk 32gb card today, worked flawlessly, just need to convince its owner its better off in my phone now......
TheDarkRealm said:
Tested the Sandisk 32gb card today, worked flawlessly, just need to convince its owner its better off in my phone now......
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Sweet! Then I'll get one!
Many Thanks. Ill order one as well.
Andy
Thanks for the confirmation.
Has anyone seen the 32gb cards out in the wild? (retail stores)
Seems like you can only order from SanDisk's own website.

Go with the Atrix?

I have to switch to AT&T in about a week and I'm looking at the Atrix as my starter phone.
Best Buy Mobile has it for $50 in the store, and they have a flat 30 day return policy. If I buy the phone around the 20th That should take me through the next major releases on AT&T. Of course, for that price if the Atrix works out I'm keeping it.
Is there anything you would warn me off of on the device coming from an HTC Thunderbolt?
The ATRIX is a great phone that's about to get better with upcoming cm7 and aosp releases.
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Nothing to warn you off at all, unless better battery life and more reliable call quality bother you. If that's the case, then stick with the HTC.
But seriously you are gonna live the "upgrade" to the Atrix...
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Yes.. I agree for battery life on android (on a stock battery) the atrix can't be beat. With undervolting and custom rom... its very good...
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Be warned....ATRIX has great battery
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here's a comparison between the cliq xt and the atrix
Width
63.5 mm (2.48 inches)
58.0 mm (2.26 inches)
Height
117.8 mm (4.59 inches)
114.0 mm (4.45 inches)
Depth
11.0 mm (0.43 inches)
15.6 mm (0.61 inches)
Weight
135 grams (4.7 ounces)
163 grams (5.7 ounces)
The atrix is lighter by a whole ounce, THINNER than the cliq XT, and not even all that much taller or wider, and yet it packs a 4 inch qhd screen, a dual core beast, 1 gigs of ram, 16gb of storage, 4g, GINGERBREAD, and webtop.
Atrix is in its own league, after putting it up against the lg thrill, the inspire, and my memories of the G2X...this phone is the first true super phone I've ever used.
Sounds good. With 1-click root available for 2.3.4 it's hard to pass up...
If you can wait.. I believe ATT will release the SGSII soon :T
but if you're in a rush.. Atrix is an amazing phone.
I would say the same thing....get the SGII
I had a chance to test drive my friends SGSII. It is a great phone and it is quick but I wouldn't say that it is much if at all better than the Atrix. He complains about the battery not lasting long at all and the GPS takes some time to lock sometimes (his phone is still stock). The screen was nice but the Atrix screen is also nice, they are just different. I think the colors looked a little too saturated on the SGSII and a little too washed out on the Atrix. Neither are perfect. In terms of speed, they felt the same to me. The Atrix has a lag coming from the lockscreen and the SGSII has a lag going to the Homescreen...take your pick. The general feel was very similar, gaming was nearly identical. The SGSII was a little harder to handle due to it's size and shape (wide and thin).
In short if you can get an Atrix for $50 or an SGSII for $299...I would definitely say Atrix. For that matter if they were both $50 I would still say Atrix.
yea the GPS on the ATRIX is pretty amazing. not gonna lie. main reason why i got an android device was for free voice navigation
qHD (Atrix) vs WVGA (SGSII)?
Atrix is smaller and the color to me looks great.
Battery is great.
Atrix all the way...
againareku said:
here's a comparison between the cliq xt and the atrix
The atrix is lighter by a whole ounce, THINNER than the cliq XT, and not even all that much taller or wider, and yet it packs a 4 inch qhd screen, a dual core beast, 1 gigs of ram, 16gb of storage, 4g, GINGERBREAD, and webtop.
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Atrix does NOT have 16GB of storage... it's internal storage is 10.7GB.... unless you're talking about a deal where they are throwing in a 16GB external storage.. then yeah..
jpinoy said:
Atrix does NOT have 16GB of storage... it's internal storage is 10.7GB.... unless you're talking about a deal where they are throwing in a 16GB external storage.. then yeah..
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It has 16 gigs completely formatted with no OS on it. The inspire advertises 4 gigs of internal even though its only like 300 megs of usable storage. So yes it has 16 with 10-11 usable.
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It has 16 gigs completely formatted with no OS on it. The inspire advertises 4 gigs of internal even though its only like 300 megs of usable storage. So yes it has 16 with 10-11 usable.
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Agree.. as that's how even Moto list the specs "up to 16GB".. I should have been more clear in my response, I'm talking about usable, as no one would care if they got 16GB of storage if the phone doesn't boot cus nothing is on it.. just didn't want someone going by what was posted here and seeing only 10GB of storage when they look at the storage space on the phone..
Get it for the $50. It's a steal. You won't have any regrets at that price.
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Agree.. as that's how even Moto list the specs "up to 16GB".. I should have been more clear in my response, I'm talking about usable, as no one would care if they got 16GB of storage if the phone doesn't boot cus nothing is on it.. just didn't want someone going by what was posted here and seeing only 10GB of storage when they look at the storage space on the phone..
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well, I think it's common knowledge [at least if you post on a board like this] that free space is always lower than advertised space
but Atrix does a REALLY good job of it..2 gbs for APPS, a little more than 10 for storage, and the rest is system files/OS...
Easily the most storage I've had on a phone, dropping in my 8gb microsd from my g2x makes it feel like overkill.
then again, i have fond memories of growing up with my 300mb windows drive and getting an upgraded 1gb drive, then a few years later being SO excited when I got a celeron 266mhz tower came with a 20gb drive!!
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oh..and the christmas this little box showed up under the tree...wow. i remember spending many nights searching for interesting isos.

WOW!!! SanDisk Extreme Plus 64GB UHS-I/ U3 Micro SDXC Memory Card Up To 80MB/s

See it to believe it!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D6XTMFC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Just bought 2.
You cannot beat this price ANYWHERE!!!!
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Why the need for such speeds in a phone? Other than moving a bunch of music onto the card the first time, faster read and write speeds are basically going to go unnoticed IMHO.
You can get slower 64gb cards for a lot less money. For example..... http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memor...&qid=1417049525&sr=1-2&keywords=64gb+micro+sd
sebastianraven said:
See it to believe it!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D6XTMFC/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Just bought 2.
You cannot beat this price ANYWHERE!!!!
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i have these, and it is very noticeable when saving pics to the sd vs slower cards.
sic0048 said:
Why the need for such speeds in a phone? Other than moving a bunch of music onto the card the first time, faster read and write speeds are basically going to go unnoticed IMHO.
You can get slower 64gb cards for a lot less money. For example..... http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memor...&qid=1417049525&sr=1-2&keywords=64gb+micro+sd
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Yeah... Maybe you don't have a 64 GB card, but once you get into these speeds it feels the same as the internal memory with much less lag.
Seriously, your card offer is only $10 cheaper than when I bought mine on special. And the one I pull up is over $100. You're ****ty math makes no sense.
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sebastianraven said:
Yeah... Maybe you don't have a 64 GB card, but once you get into these speeds it feels the same as the internal memory with much less lag.
Seriously, your card offer is only $10 cheaper than when I bought mine on special. And the one I pull up is over $100. You're ****ty math makes no sense.
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Actually I do have a 64gb card and the only time I've seen a slow down or had to wait on the card was when I first transferred a lot of music to my card.
The card you linked to is priced at $83 and has been since the first time I looked at it. Perhaps it was cheaper initially, but you didn't list a price on your initial post. $83 for a 64gb card to go in a phone is WAY too much money IMHO.
I see the disconnect now. I bought the card for $37. Still, with all the extra media and galleries the load time is so smooth.
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sic0048 said:
Why the need for such speeds in a phone? Other than moving a bunch of music onto the card the first time, faster read and write speeds are basically going to go unnoticed IMHO.
You can get slower 64gb cards for a lot less money. For example..... http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Memor...&qid=1417049525&sr=1-2&keywords=64gb+micro+sd
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my thoughts exactly when I read the OP... over $80 for a SD card to put in a phone....and he got 2!!!! WOW
Thanks op for the link, any good deal is still a good deal... Just cause you have no need for the product, cannot see value, or cannot afford it doesn't mean that others that do cannot benefit from the info... Sometimes I just can't believe the negativity floating around on xda! xdaThats a real good way to get ppl to not post what they think might help others! Smdh

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