I am curious just how many people after hearing the reports that the GS2 woun't be available in the US or Canada until Sept/Oct are seriously considering a switch to another device or planning to use the delay to look for something better that won't have have hardware that is 6 months out of date due to a long delay from final production to retail.
With a 2 GHz chip from Samsung, the Tegra 3 and the iFail 5 all rumored for a September-January launch the GS2 is competing with some serious hardware that frankly it won't be on par with this winter for the NA market which is their largest market.
I feel like this is a complete failure on Samsung's part and they should be ensuring that the NA carriers aren't allowed to delay the launch of this device past May. I don't see how delaying this device until Q3 won't destroy their sales. Even if a large portion of their customers don't decided to just buy another device that has near equal or better specs and is available before Q3 I don't see how they will keep customers from waiting to the next generation of devices that will only be 1-2 months away. I know if I have to wait until Q3 and HTC or Motorola announces a Tegra 3 device with 10x the power of Atrix or 2X devices then then I can wait another month or two and get that instead of finally getting the GS2 knowing it is already outdated or will be in the next couple months at best.
Maybe if we get enough people here to make it clear to Samsung that they will most likely be buying a different device for one reason or another due to such a delayed release they will put some pressure on the carriers to not mess around with the device and just release it how it was meant to be and not delayed 6 months so they can load it up with bloat ware no one wanted to begin with.
I know I will be waiting a little longer before buying something else since I don't feel the Atrix or 2X are on the same level as the GS2 but with another 6 months of delays I can be pretty sure something will come along and knock the GS2 off it's pedestal and without a insane delay to their top market for delivering the device and when that day comes and it will Samsung will have officially lost another customer.
So what about everyone else, who feels if this release date is valid for the GS2 that they have lost a customer. Whether it be today or 6 months from now?
I feel slightly the same way, but if the rumors about late Q2/early Q3 are correct, we're looking at, more realistically, June-July.
The original Galaxy S wasn't released until around July-Sept for US carriers, but the European variants were also later, compared to the dates of the Galaxy S 2
Since GS Original was released in UK in June (instead of May for GS2) and the US version was September, it might make sense that we're looking at June-July (with an unfortunate possibility of August) for US.
I'm willing to wait that long, if they can keep from butchering the device for US carriers.
But the combination of lack of information, a much later release date, and the possibility of a neutered phone is definitely making me rethink my previous position, which was "wait for this damn phone at all costs".
I have given up on my wait for this phone at all cost stance already, I am currently in the I will wait until another comparable device lands on Verizon/AT&T (Why does that crap heap T-Mobile get the sensation!?!? I want a carrier that actually has coverage and unless your driving down the highway T-Mobile has no service...) and if their is no offical date for the US by that time then Samsung can say goodbye to my $$.
Really as it stands with no information from Samsung even June seems like a push to wait for if I can find another device before then. If I KNEW I would have the device in hand in June I could probably suck it up but having to sit here holding my breath that it will be June and not September or god forbid October if the release is Sept for Canada and another month for the US ... yeah that is just hard to swallow and I am just waiting for something else to come out.
If Samsung really wants to keep the US market waiting they need to give us an official date at least. Leaving everyone with this anxious feeling of "What is happening when will I be able to get it? Should I keep waiting or just forget about it? Is it even going to be worth the wait when it finally gets here considering the delay?" is just going to cause customers to move on from this device.
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I have given up on my wait for this phone at all cost stance already, I am currently in the I will wait until another comparable device lands on Verizon/AT&T (Why does that crap heap T-Mobile get the sensation!?!? I want a carrier that actually has coverage and unless your driving down the highway T-Mobile has no service...) and then if their is no offical date for the US then Samsung can say goodbye to my $$.
Really I wouldn't have any problem waiting a little longer if they would give us some news at least other than 1 rumor that it may be 6 months behind Europe and therefor 6 month outdated hardware.
But as it stands with no information from Samsung even June seems like a push to wait. If I KNEW I would have the device in hand in June I could probably suck it up but having to sit here holding my breath that it will be June and not September or god forbid October if the release is Sept for Canada and another month for the US ... yeah that is just hard to swallow and I am just waiting for something else to come out.
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Yeah I'm starting to get a little fed up with the wait too... Sucks for you guys in the States that you might have to wait till after Canada (yeah that was a shocker that we might actually get tech before you guys lol). I wish that the carriers here and the carriers there would just shut the f**k up take it and just release it already without the bloat. Let the bloat be optional download content if people actually frakin' want it.
I see this slowly becoming a rage thread... I like it... I'm starting to get sick of Samsung ignoring my attempts to contact them just because they don't want to make an announcement yet. More companies need to realize that there is a "Power User" segment out there that wants quick access to new tech. They need to put better methods of getting this out to them as well. Even if it means Samsung goes old school and skips carriers and sells direct. Yeah it would mean checking with both Samsung and your carrier of choice to make sure the support is there, but if you consider yourself one of these "Power Users" you should be doing that anyways.
Will I keep waiting for this phone? Yeah probably because I've been waiting for it since the initial announcement that there was going to be a GS2 back in December... The next question would be is my patience growing thin? Let's just say one bad step on the ice and it just might break
Yeah, I can't really blame Samsung since they've taken good care of Europe as far as this phone's release is concerned. (I'm much happier others get to enjoy it soon, rather than everyone having to wait).
It's just the power of the carriers in the US that really screws over the customers. There isn't a single change that is made to any phone, of any company, by the carriers that is beneficial to anyone.
It's just so ridiculous that you have to wait longer than is necessary, so they can fill the phone with purely useless software and modifications that just get in the way of the design intended by Samsung. And it's all purely for profit for the carrier.
I guess that's Greed for you. Instead of all the extra data plans raking in cash monthly for the carriers, they go well beyond that and squeeze every ounce of phone real estate with what is essentially more annoying advertising.
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I have given up on my wait for this phone at all cost stance already, I am currently in the I will wait until another comparable device lands on Verizon/AT&T (Why does that crap heap T-Mobile get the sensation!?!? I want a carrier that actually has coverage and unless your driving down the highway T-Mobile has no service...) and if their is no offical date for the US by that time then Samsung can say goodbye to my $$.
Really as it stands with no information from Samsung even June seems like a push to wait for if I can find another device before then. If I KNEW I would have the device in hand in June I could probably suck it up but having to sit here holding my breath that it will be June and not September or god forbid October if the release is Sept for Canada and another month for the US ... yeah that is just hard to swallow and I am just waiting for something else to come out.
If Samsung really wants to keep the US market waiting they need to give us an official date at least. Leaving everyone with this anxious feeling of "What is happening when will I be able to get it? Should I keep waiting or just forget about it? Is it even going to be worth the wait when it finally gets here considering the delay?" is just going to cause customers to move on from this device.
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Finally jealous now that we have something you don't eh? And if we have our way again, we'll be the first to get the SGSII too. I guess being with this "crap heap" carrier does have its perks after all.
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(Why does that crap heap T-Mobile get the sensation!?!? I want a carrier that actually has coverage and unless your driving down the highway T-Mobile has no service...)
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Please state that this comment is a personal opinion/experience.
I have full coverage with T-Mobile everywhere I go, work, home and never had a single dropped call thus far(personal experience) YMMV
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Finally jealous now that we have something you don't eh? And if we have our way again, we'll be the first to get the SGSII too. I guess being with this "crap heap" carrier does have its perks after all.
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Not for long though.. Once AT&T takes over.. thats it!
xd, im actually pretty excited, in the past ive always ordered phones from the uk, and been able to brag and show off my power phone, while everyone else was using outdated technology. now ill have till Q3 to show off my galaxy s2, while everyone else will be using single core processors, still waiting to be updated to 2.2 (because thats how we roll in the US!)
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Please state that this comment is a personal opinion/experience.
I have full coverage with T-Mobile everywhere I go, work, home and never had a single dropped call thus far(personal experience) YMMV
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I have never used T-Mobile. I heard some good things about pricing and call quality and such so I checked them out and based on their map in my area I have 3G coverage along the highway, in the middle of town and no signal what so ever everywhere else. I have nothing against T-Mobile really other than their coverage sucks in my area and that is really the only thing i care about in a carrier... well that and giving me an OS update in a timely manner.
Yeah, we will probably have a much longer wait as the US carriers take their time and **** up the design of the phone like they all did on the first Galaxy go around.
Here comes 4 or 5 compromised versions of the new Galaxy SII all of them lacking something that the others have, but all of them filled to the flipping brim with crap ware that doesn't do God Damn thing but annoy the hell out of you. Asshole US carriers, everyone of them sucks.
Just give me the phone like it is designed, and don't attempt to dazzle me with your bull ****.
i agree with all the complaints i've read in this thread. i'd like to see a more solid release date for the US as well besides Q3. looking at the release dates, Q3 reads like August for the US at the earliest.
i'm thinking i'm going to wait until late May/mid June in hopes for a more solid release date. but if there isn't one by then, i will likely get an import for AT&T after making sure it's completely compatible with their network. at that point i'll be able to afford dropping $600-$700 for it unlocked.
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xd, im actually pretty excited, in the past ive always ordered phones from the uk, and been able to brag and show off my power phone, while everyone else was using outdated technology. now ill have till Q3 to show off my galaxy s2, while everyone else will be using single core processors, still waiting to be updated to 2.2 (because thats how we roll in the US!)
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I'm thinking about going this route. Did you have to do anything special to get the phone to work, or did you just throw in your ATT sim card?
Just add the ATT (or Straight talk) Sim and you're good.
For a change I actually can't complain in canada. Pickrd mine up on launch yesterday
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Between the schedule posted on their website still showing the same old news and their $100 offer, I don't believe they have any intention of upgrading the Atrix or the Photon. The Atrix is now two generations old and the Photon also has a successor, so I don't think they have any incentive to upgrade them; too much time has gone by.
I believe that is the reason why they even mentioned the $100 offer. It means they already have a plan in place. They want people to upgrade and not keep their current devices.
I understand the business policy but as a customer, the policy doesn't appeal to me; it just screws us as customers. My contract is up in December and come January, I will upgrade. Just not with Motorola.
In any case, the Note II is very tempting to me. Moto doesn't have anything in that size on Sprint, so there's no competition. But if Motorola did have something to go up against the Note, I would not choose Motorola again. It would take an outstanding phone (at the right time) to get me to choose Moto again.
Hence, I have given up hope that Moto will one day upgrade our phones to ICS/JB.
Anything else from now on will be a pleasant surprise.
There....I have made my peace, Motorola.
My theory is, if they update the Atrix, they'll update the Photon. If they don't update the Atrix, they won't update the photon. So if a soak or whatever doesn't start in the next two weeks, then give up hope. But as of now, Motorola hasn't broken their word. Also you could maybe have put this in a already existing ICS debate thread. God knows we have enough of these new threads and come October we might be seeing a whole lot more of em :/
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My theory is, if they update the Atrix, they'll update the Photon. If they don't update the Atrix, they won't update the photon. So if a soak or whatever doesn't start in the next two weeks, then give up hope. But as of now, Motorola hasn't broken their word. Also you could maybe have put this in a already existing ICS debate thread. God knows we have enough of these new threads and come October we might be seeing a whole lot more of em :/
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^ THIS
I have too say it will be a sad time for all of us if ICS doesn't cone to photon. Ifbao the most,if not all of us will take the upgrade. I for one really want the note 2 but wouldn't trade in my photon unless I absolutely had too.
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There might also be a slim glimmer of hope that they skip the ICS upgrade and go straight to JB. These phones are more than capable of running JB and the jump from Gingerbread to ICS is a much larger jump than ICS to JB. So only time will tell. There are various posts saying that all 2011 phones that will be upgraded to JB will have it before the year is up. So its all rumors and speculation at this time but hey, one can be optimistic right?
I will add this - at least Motorola has the excuse of being a money-losing company that had the distraction of being acquired by Google over the last year. And they are at least offering a mea culpa and promising to update all phones released since 2011 that will handle JB or give customers $100 toward a new phone. Samsung made $4 billion dollars and has still not updated the Galaxy S2 to ICS and in my mind they have no excuse. It doesn't have merit as far as I am concerned for these companies to simply say "we have to concentrate on development for new phones and can't spend resources on older models" because, first of all, we are stuck in two year contracts, not by choice but because that's the business model we're stuck with (I know pre-paid is getting better but is not quite there yet for my needs). Secondly, if they drop support the second we buy their products what reason do we have for purchasing another phone from them when our 20 months are up and we're ready to upgrade? The business case is there for manufacturers to support older models for much longer than three months especially if the carriers are so entrenched with their beloved two year contracts. A year old phone is not ancient. The Photon has a dual core processor, etc. and is just handicapped by GB. I will also add this: Apple supports phones for years with iOS updates, they bypass the carriers on the updates and they simply pare down the features that the older phones don't support. I had an old iPhone 3G and I remember how much iOS 4 slowed it down when it was first released. To Apple's credit they could have simply said it couldn't handle iOS 4 and dropped support for it but they didn't. And no phone manufacturer is more profitable than Apple. So, yes, I, too am disgusted at how long it has taken to get ICS or JB on my Photon but I am even more disgusted with Samsung who clearly have the resources to keep their phones up to date and do not.
I would also like to know why the GS2 is still being sold in spite of the fact it's a WiMax device but the Photon was pulled prematurely because Sprint was phasing out WiMax devices. AT&T has gotten the Atrix HD, Verizon of course gets the latest and greatest from Motorola and all Sprint gets is a throwback to keyboard slider phones with qHD resolution. Sprint and Motorola don't seem to get along very well.
I'm done with Motorola even if we do get jelly sandwich. It just isn't right. My next phone won't be a Motorola phone.
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There might also be a slim glimmer of hope that they skip the ICS upgrade and go straight to JB. These phones are more than capable of running JB and the jump from Gingerbread to ICS is a much larger jump than ICS to JB. So only time will tell. There are various posts saying that all 2011 phones that will be upgraded to JB will have it before the year is up. So its all rumors and speculation at this time but hey, one can be optimistic right?
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No, it's obvious they are just skipping ICS & JB to provide us with Key Lime Pie
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And they are at least offering a mea culpa and promising to update all phones released since 2011 that will handle JB or give customers $100 toward a new phone.
Samsung made $4 billion dollars and has still not updated the Galaxy S2 to ICS and in my mind they have no excuse.
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First of all that is a BS offer. The $100 is towards a new upgrade and we have to turn in our phones. We can get more than that on CL. $100 is the least we can expect to get for a Photon.
Second of all, Samsung upgraded the GSII to ICS way back in March.
Its only here, in the US that the carriers f#%k it up. So blame the US carriers, not Samsung.
ICS for the GSII was available in Europe and most parts of the world a long time ago. In fact T-Mobile GSII got the update in June. And now there are reports of the GSII getting the JB update soon.
More importantly, resources are available for proper development of after-market custom ROMs for the Galaxy phones. We don't have that for the Photon/Atrix/_____ from Motorola/Nvidia.
So how is Samsung worse?
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"Samsung made $4 billion dollars and has still not updated the Galaxy S2 to ICS and in my mind they have no excuse."
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Seriously?
All SII's are running ICS long ago and soon Jelly Bean.
And On Behalf Of my wife who has the photon, a big FU to Motorola.
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We should let Motorola know how we feel about their OS update policy, but I guess we are not too many Photon users... How about the Atrix users? Aren't they a lot of people?
You are right..... Motorola should know about this.... as they are not updatng.....n also not unlockng bootloader of...photon....
I am stuck to 2.3.5...
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Seriously?
All SII's are running ICS long ago and soon Jelly Bean.
And On Behalf Of my wife who has the photon, a big FU to Motorola.
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I don't disagree that we have every reason to be disgusted with how long we've had to wait for ICS on the Photon - I said as much. I think my point is valid, however, that Samsung is in a much better position than Motorola has been over the last 12-18 months clearly. Samsung is printing money and apparently have a much better relationship with Sprint. Great, there are leaks of ICS Roms out there for the GS2, but just as many officially released ICS or JB Roms for the Sprint (or Verizon) GS2 as there are for the Photon. Motorola has released a schedule stating they would release ICS as early as next month, same as Samsung. Do I think Sprint is to blame in all this as well? Absolutely. All the carriers are. How does Apple manage to release iOS updates without carrier approval and in a timely manner but Samsung and Motorola do not? Why does the iPhone 3GS have the latest version of iOS but the Epic 4G runs Gingerbread and always will (and Droid phones on Verizon as well)? We are fooling ourselves if we think Samsung is doing any better than the others save Apple. Custom Roms are custom roms and so are leaks. They aren't fully functioning, officially supported firmwares for our phones. So my discussion is not about what third party or ported leaks are out there. It's about the manufacturers supporting the phones through the carriers in the same environment that Apple functions in, but somehow does a better job.
I am not a Samsung basher. My wife and I just bought GS3's (she's on AT&T and OMG the speeds are fast) this past weekend because I gave up on ICS for the Photon, wanted LTE capability and didn't like the iPhone 5 still having 16GB in the base model and no SD card. I also think the screen is too small. I think it is a fantastically engineered phone with better build quality than any other phone - it just doesn't suit my needs. The Photon Q is a step backwards, I think. Who wants a clunky keyboard slider with qHD resolution? I went in with eyes open, though. I figure I'll get JB on my GS3 and any other updates after that will be gravy with no expectations on my part that it will ever get another update. In my mind my only other choice was the HTC EVO LTE and I just felt like as poorly as it was selling that I would be jumping into the same situation I had with the Photon - great phone but no support due to slow sales, etc.
I do think Google wants to make Motorola set the example for the other manufacturers and going forward I really expect Motorola to provide much more timely updates for their phones. Maybe I was snowed by the speech their new CEO gave at the RAZR HD unveiling but it felt like they had a new attitude. They have already released phones with unlockable bootloaders and developer editions and that is a major shift in philosophy for them. They do make high quality phones. If this new guy takes them in the direction I think he is then I think Motorola is going to have some really good phones going forward.
That's just my take on things and my opinion. I don't work for Apple, Motorola, Google or Samsung. I have no proprietary interest in any of this. I'm not posting this to argue or flame anyone - just joining the discussion and pointing out some things that I think are/were missed in the discussion.
I like what you wrote. But I disagree in one point. Everyone thinks how GS3 is a step forward and Photon Q and other new dual core phones, is a step backward.
GS3 is quad core, but it's a placebo. No new technology. Just the same cores made a little smaller, so there could be a place for four of them.
Photon Q is dual core with latest CortexA15 cores and the same speed (and more in some operations) as GS3, with reduced power consumption. You cannot write, it's a step backward.
But it's not phone for everyone, because of the keyboard.
I am not sure about the display, but I read, that displays with colorboost are compared to IPhone. And me personally, I would abandon whole amoled technology. I want more phones with LCD displays.
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I don't disagree that we have every reason to be disgusted with how long we've had to wait for ICS on the Photon - I said as much. I think my point is valid, however, that Samsung is in a much better position than Motorola has been over the last 12-18 months clearly. Samsung is printing money and apparently have a much better relationship with Sprint. Motorola has released a schedule stating they would release ICS as early as next month, same as Samsung. Do I think Sprint is to blame in all this as well? Absolutely. All the carriers are. How does Apple manage to release iOS updates without carrier approval and in a timely manner but Samsung and Motorola do not? Why does the iPhone 3GS have the latest version of iOS but the Epic 4G runs Gingerbread and always will (and Droid phones on Verizon as well)? We are fooling ourselves if we think Samsung is doing any better than the others save Apple.
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I believe you missed my post (at least that's what it seems to me).
Samsung's official ICS update for the GS II came out in March! Nearly half a year ago!
If Samsung can take the code, slap TW on it, test it and release it all over the world within 4 months of ICS release, what do you think is holding up the update in the US?
Its the carriers in the US who muck it up for the manufacturers.
Sprint, Sprint and solely Sprint is responsible for the updates on our phones. They make the calls and dictate terms to manufacturers.
The US mobile network companies are the reason. They have sole control over which phones are allowed to run on their network. If the manufacturers don't comply, they don't get to sell their phones on that network. Apple is the only one who has the power to command the networks to do as it wishes. No one else has that power; it took Samsung years to even get them to sell an unmodified version of its GS III flagship.
Is Samsung perfect, No. But it definitely has improved over the years.
Heck Google/Samsung update the Galaxy Nexus a while ago; but Verizon and Sprint didn't send out the updates until last week.
Whose fault is that?
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I believe you missed my post (at least that's what it seems to me).
Samsung's official ICS update for the GS II came out in March! Nearly half a year ago!
If Samsung can take the code, slap TW on it, test it and release it all over the world within 4 months of ICS release, what do you think is holding up the update in the US?
Its the carriers in the US who muck it up for the manufacturers.
Sprint, Sprint and solely Sprint is responsible for the updates on our phones. They make the calls and dictate terms to manufacturers.
The US mobile network companies are the reason. They have sole control over which phones are allowed to run on their network. If the manufacturers don't comply, they don't get to sell their phones on that network. Apple is the only one who has the power to command the networks to do as it wishes. No one else has that power; it took Samsung years to even get them to sell an unmodified version of its GS III flagship.
Is Samsung perfect, No. But it definitely has improved over the years.
Heck Google/Samsung update the Galaxy Nexus a while ago; but Verizon and Sprint didn't send out the updates until last week.
Whose fault is that?
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I saw that there was a leak for European GS2's but is there an official Sprint or Verizon firmware available anywhere? Did it bomb WiMax loading it? I think we're saying some of the same things. The carriers love their two year contracts but then make you use an outdated phone for the last 20 months of it because they don't want to release updates. Totally agreed on that. I'm a little incredulous that Sprint has sat on an update for six months but I know they like to sit on updates. I have a wifi Xoom and got ICS for it in late March (and JB a month ago) and I know Verizon just released ICS for their Xoom not that long ago so maybe Sprint has sat on it.
I don't like how locked down Motorola keeps their bootloaders (but I think that was Sanjay's thing) and slipping a fix in to the 2.3.5 update was equally $hitty.
I have a GS3 now so hopefully Samsung does keep it up to date. I'll still go back and try out my Photon if they ever get ICS released for it. I'll add one more thing and I can say this pretty confidently after spending a lot of time with both - I think Motorola has done a fantastic job with their implementation of ICS versus Samsung with their TW ICS. My wife had the Atrix HD for a week before returning it (lousy camera - everything else was nice) and I loved the OS on it. I think TW is fugly. I installed Nova and Apex launchers and settled on Nova. Disabled S Voice in favor of Google. I'm hoping they go closer to stock for JB. I got off topic but my point is that Motorola is doing some good things with their phones. They didn't bring one to Sprint soon enough for me to buy one again but in spite of all the BS we've put up with our Photons, I think they're on the right track.
It looks like the official ICS for the GS2 came out 7/12:
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com.../12/07/samsung-epic-touch-4g-software-updates
So I would say still not impressive for Sprint/Samsung (better than Moto but still 8 months after it was released).
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I don't disagree that we have every reason to be disgusted with how long we've had to wait for ICS on the Photon - I said as much. I think my point is valid, however, that Samsung is in a much better position than Motorola has been over the last 12-18 months clearly. Samsung is printing money and apparently have a much better relationship with Sprint. Great, there are leaks of ICS Roms out there for the GS2, but just as many officially released ICS or JB Roms for the Sprint (or Verizon) GS2 as there are for the Photon. Motorola has released a schedule stating they would release ICS as early as next month, same as Samsung. Do I think Sprint is to blame in all this as well? Absolutely. All the carriers are. How does Apple manage to release iOS updates without carrier approval and in a timely manner but Samsung and Motorola do not? Why does the iPhone 3GS have the latest version of iOS but the Epic 4G runs Gingerbread and always will (and Droid phones on Verizon as well)? We are fooling ourselves if we think Samsung is doing any better than the others save Apple. Custom Roms are custom roms and so are leaks. They aren't fully functioning, officially supported firmwares for our phones. So my discussion is not about what third party or ported leaks are out there. It's about the manufacturers supporting the phones through the carriers in the same environment that Apple functions in, but somehow does a better job.
I am not a Samsung basher. My wife and I just bought GS3's (she's on AT&T and OMG the speeds are fast) this past weekend because I gave up on ICS for the Photon, wanted LTE capability and didn't like the iPhone 5 still having 16GB in the base model and no SD card. I also think the screen is too small. I think it is a fantastically engineered phone with better build quality than any other phone - it just doesn't suit my needs. The Photon Q is a step backwards, I think. Who wants a clunky keyboard slider with qHD resolution? I went in with eyes open, though. I figure I'll get JB on my GS3 and any other updates after that will be gravy with no expectations on my part that it will ever get another update. In my mind my only other choice was the HTC EVO LTE and I just felt like as poorly as it was selling that I would be jumping into the same situation I had with the Photon - great phone but no support due to slow sales, etc.
I do think Google wants to make Motorola set the example for the other manufacturers and going forward I really expect Motorola to provide much more timely updates for their phones. Maybe I was snowed by the speech their new CEO gave at the RAZR HD unveiling but it felt like they had a new attitude. They have already released phones with unlockable bootloaders and developer editions and that is a major shift in philosophy for them. They do make high quality phones. If this new guy takes them in the direction I think he is then I think Motorola is going to have some really good phones going forward.
That's just my take on things and my opinion. I don't work for Apple, Motorola, Google or Samsung. I have no proprietary interest in any of this. I'm not posting this to argue or flame anyone - just joining the discussion and pointing out some things that I think are/were missed in the discussion.
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I own an Epic 4G Touch Galaxy S2 and ICS has been officially released by July 2012 current official release Build FH13 4.0.4. And Tmo and ATT variants 2 weeks earlier than the E4GT Android 4.0.3. And JB for SGSII International start roll out by end of this year Officially announced by Sammy, US variants Q1 2013. I won't hold my breath on the latter
I always had trouble with Motorola since DROID X(milestone x) then Photon and finally gave up and pass it to my wife.
I agree with you in some parts about Sammy and Moto. But you keep saying SGSII did not have official ICS yet only leaks. :what:
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I agree, we won't be getting ics... only because we'll jump straight to jelly bean gotta have hope lol
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I feel the pain with no official ICS or JB, but my last Sammy (Epic 4G) had so-so reception and would drop/loose the signal much quicker than the Photon....actually my Photon DOESN'T loose a signal. My wife's Galaxy Nexus on Verizon doesn't hold on or switch as gracefully between 3G/4G/WiFi as the Photon, the radio is still a 1/2 step or so behind the Motorola radio. Unfortunately, I need to pick signal and the ability to use my phone over the OS version, so the Samsungs are out until they come up with a radio equal to (or better) than what Morotola uses.
Seems on CDMA the customers are stuck behind the rock and a hard place. I switched from At&t to Spring a couple years ago and the number of dropped calls practically dropped to zero. (I had a Blackberry on Att, btw, so it wasn't the phone....this was in their heyday as well). I'm elligible for an upgrade, but there isn't anyting worthy of replacing my Photon. If they ever fix the 4G unlock issue, I'm so going to Joker or Th3Bill's JB build.
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I agree, we won't be getting ics... only because we'll jump straight to jelly bean gotta have hope lol
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I'm done with Motorola even if we do get jelly sandwich. It just isn't right. My next phone won't be a Motorola phone.
If we look around on the net EVERYONE is piss off. NO ICS or JB at this point they will be coming out with Key Line soon and the Atrix and Photon just got thrown under the bus.
Very piss here, and now they will be giving 100 dollars, Oh please! Did anyone saw the form a mile long to see if you qualify for the discount.
This is my last moto, period.
http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-titan-att/software-updates
By this article it looks like HTC is taking efforts to update our phone to 8773 Tango, well better anything than nothing, what i am hoping is to finally get some changes in bootloader after instaling this update
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http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-titan-att/software-updates
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It is possible that this update needs to proceed before upgrading to 7.8? Seeing that ATT failed at life by not pushing the Tango update to its customers -or any update, HTC could be picking up the slack here with this. 7.8 has NOT been announced yet...so that is probably why they have not introduced it yet on their website.
All this is opinionated though...I would hope that HTC pushes out 7.8 to the Titans...just saying, their are more Titan 1 owners than Titan 2's. There would be a lot of angry folks out there if they didn't.
OR this could be another LG kind of like thing. But I highly doubt that seeing HTC pushed out many WP's during its lifetime.
Let's wait and see what happens. If it turns out that they are only pushing out Tango... I guess it'll be time to bring out the pitchforks.
hehe i just wonder if people from USA can check if the update exist, since i am in europe region and thats the problem, i mailed HTC and they said that in some regions Microsoft pushed update, HTC is just anouncer the one that is pushing update is Microsoft, i just apel on som USA folks with stock cingular rom on 7740 with at&t titan to check via Zune for update. THX
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hehe i just wonder if people from USA can check if the update exist, since i am in europe region and thats the problem, i mailed HTC and they said that in some regions Microsoft pushed update, HTC is just anouncer the one that is pushing update is Microsoft, i just apel on som USA folks with stock cingular rom on 7740 with at&t titan to check via Zune for update. THX
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I am in Dallas Texas and contacted AT&T yesterday regarding this update and they told me to contact HTC, HTC said to contact AT&T. Both contact eforts were through email or online chat. I just had my phone replaced under warranty and have the service groups phone number due to issues I am having. I will contact them via phone and ask the same questions.
Nothing comes up in Zune for the update.
Definately a dissapointment if nothing happens. I want and need the first update and then of course 7.8 update.
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I am in Dallas Texas and contacted AT&T yesterday regarding this update and they told me to contact HTC, HTC said to contact AT&T. Both contact eforts were through email or online chat. I just had my phone replaced under warranty and have the service groups phone number due to issues I am having. I will contact them via phone and ask the same questions.
Nothing comes up in Zune for the update.
Definately a dissapointment if nothing happens. I want and need the first update and then of course 7.8 update.
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This is what happens when you contact customer support. No one knows what the hell is going on half the time, especially petty customer support people -like you talked to. The customer support side is the LAST to know about important information. It's sad, but true.
I guarantee you that I had the same exact thing happen to me when I was trying to find out if Tango was going to be pushed out to our phones. I was told to contact HTC by ATT and vice versa. Same old blah blah. It was a never ending cycle that just made me angry even more. Word of advice: don't bother contacting them unless you have an issue with your phone. Nothing but lies and workarounds by uninformed customer support people.
Anyway, just sit tight for the real information...it's pretty much all you can do right now.
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This is what happens when you contact customer support. No one knows what the hell is going on half the time, especially petty customer support people -like you talked to. The customer support side is the LAST to know about important information. It's sad, but true.
I guarantee you that I had the same exact thing happen to me when I was trying to find out if Tango was going to be pushed out to our phones. I was told to contact HTC by ATT and vice versa. Same old blah blah. It was a never ending cycle that just made me angry even more. Word of advice: don't bother contacting them unless you have an issue with your phone. Nothing but lies and workarounds by uninformed customer support people.
Anyway, just sit tight for the real information...it's pretty much all you can do right now.
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Wait and Wait and wait some more... spoke to customer service today via the phone and it was less than productive. I had to take her to HTC's webpage where HTC talks about the update. Left it for her to chase and call me back. Called while I was in the shower and they said HTC wanted to push the update to my phone but couldn't because there was no release date on the update, the next best option was for me to remove Zune and reinstall it and then check for an update. Did that and nothing.
Frustrated... my thinking is we won't get any satisfaction. Not sure what to do at this point. Phone works with the exception of the keybard issue that drives us all nuts and then the call quality.
I have had two Tilt phones, a Fuze and even though I have one Titan, I warrantied it out about 5 times now and coninually request the same phone but beginning to doubt my reasoning. It may be time for a new carrier and a different phone manufacturer. I've been a customer of AT&T since cell phones first came out (late 70's early 80's?) and a customer of HTC's for maybe 5 years. Which means nothing.
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http://www.htc.com/us/support/htc-titan-att/software-updates
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I realize this is aggravating for many and I too had AT&T and own two Titan I. We're now with Straight Talk (AT&T Network). My device is Interop/Developer Unlocked so I update the "XDA" way; my wife's device remains like all of yours...from 7720 to 8773 can be done in increments via Cab Sender. It doesn't matter what device you're using; this is simply the Operating System itself. The following link will get y'all started.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1736982
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Wait and Wait and wait some more... spoke to customer service today via the phone and it was less than productive. I had to take her to HTC's webpage where HTC talks about the update. Left it for her to chase and call me back. Called while I was in the shower and they said HTC wanted to push the update to my phone but couldn't because there was no release date on the update, the next best option was for me to remove Zune and reinstall it and then check for an update. Did that and nothing.
Frustrated... my thinking is we won't get any satisfaction. Not sure what to do at this point. Phone works with the exception of the keybard issue that drives us all nuts and then the call quality.
I have had two Tilt phones, a Fuze and even though I have one Titan, I warrantied it out about 5 times now and coninually request the same phone but beginning to doubt my reasoning. It may be time for a new carrier and a different phone manufacturer. I've been a customer of AT&T since cell phones first came out (late 70's early 80's?) and a customer of HTC's for maybe 5 years. Which means nothing.
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Yes exactly...this is what you are gonna get every time. HTC doesn't know what is going on because ATT was "supposed" to push out the updates..but didn't. -In fact ATT failed at pushing out the Tango update to about 85% of their phones. I think HTC only handles firmware and bootloader updates as ATT handles the OS updates. Updating your phone through the cab sender will fix the keyboard problem. As for the call quality, this is not going to get fixed unless they push out another radio firmware -which they haven't and probably never will.
Anyway, be patient. I am sure 7.8 will be announced soon by either MS or HTC/ATT. Everybody on ATT feels your frustration...and I'm sure ATT loses quite a few sales with this. But remember, in spite of our frustration, the company will never change its standards with this. Every carriers goal is to make $$ and updating customer phones does provide this for them. It however may provide customer satisfaction, but we all know ATT doesn't care about this at all. They would much rather you go buy a new phone to better suit your needs. It's plain and simple capitalism in your hands.
I too have thought about switching carriers before, unfortunately there are perks to having ATT than any other carriers. Especially in Texas...Example, I currently live in San Antonio, but I used to live in a small rural Texas town where some of my family still reside. This town and the surrounding towns only have small radio towers that power only ATT radio frequencies. Getting service from other carriers such as Verizon or Sprint which operate CDMA frequencies is next to impossible. I'm sure I would be able to get 2g bands if I had T-Mobile...but it is something I don't want to risk. Well anyway...I'm sure I don't have to go on with the example as you are from Texas also.
Another perk is the device lineup compared the other carriers. I'm sure you can relate to this also....
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Yes exactly...this is what you are gonna get every time. HTC doesn't know what is going on because ATT was "supposed" to push out the updates..but didn't. -In fact ATT failed at pushing out the Tango update to about 85% of their phones. I think HTC only handles firmware and bootloader updates as ATT handles the OS updates. Updating your phone through the cab sender will fix the keyboard problem. As for the call quality, this is not going to get fixed unless they push out another radio firmware -which they haven't and probably never will.
Anyway, be patient. I am sure 7.8 will be announced soon by either MS or HTC/ATT. Everybody on ATT feels your frustration...and I'm sure ATT loses quite a few sales with this. But remember, in spite of our frustration, the company will never change its standards with this. Every carriers goal is to make $$ and updating customer phones does provide this for them. It however may provide customer satisfaction, but we all know ATT doesn't care about this at all. They would much rather you go buy a new phone to better suit your needs. It's plain and simple capitalism in your hands.
I too have thought about switching carriers before, unfortunately there are perks to having ATT than any other carriers. Especially in Texas...Example, I currently live in San Antonio, but I used to live in a small rural Texas town where some of my family still reside. This town and the surrounding towns only have small radio towers that power only ATT radio frequencies. Getting service from other carriers such as Verizon or Sprint which operate CDMA frequencies is next to impossible. I'm sure I would be able to get 2g bands if I had T-Mobile...but it is something I don't want to risk. Well anyway...I'm sure I don't have to go on with the example as you are from Texas also.
Another perk is the device lineup compared the other carriers. I'm sure you can relate to this also....
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Point well taken and I have thought about that. I am just generally honked off at the lack of customer service for someone with the tenure I have.
I have a thought... Like most owners of Titan phones, we have had them about a year maybe less. For me it will be a year sometime in December. Like most, I signed a two-year contract.
My thought is this, that contract (I am sure I can find it laying around somewhere and read it... for the first time) surely states what we are expected to do and what they are expected to do. If we all bought phones that AT&T no longer wants to support due to the OS being replaced (WP 8.xx) then they can replace my phone with a phone that is current in technology. My grounds for this would be, it is obvious that the updates to the OS have been available to other WindowsPhone devices but somehow AT&T has decided to ignore this release for some reason or another. Not sure if AT&T rolled these updates out to other phone but if they didn't, then this argument would be even stronger.
If I were to cancel my contract today, AT&T would enforce the penalty or charge back or whatever you want to call it. However, we have phones that are not up to date according to the current release available for the WP7.xx platform. This is flat wrong and may be a pursuable argument.
Thoughts????
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I have a thought... Like most owners of Titan phones, we have had them about a year maybe less. For me it will be a year sometime in December. Like most, I signed a two-year contract.
My thought is this, that contract (I am sure I can find it laying around somewhere and read it... for the first time) surely states what we are expected to do and what they are expected to do. If we all bought phones that AT&T no longer wants to support due to the OS being replaced (WP 8.xx) then they can replace my phone with a phone that is current in technology. My grounds for this would be, it is obvious that the updates to the OS have been available to other WindowsPhone devices but somehow AT&T has decided to ignore this release for some reason or another. Not sure if AT&T rolled these updates out to other phone but if they didn't, then this argument would be even stronger.
If I were to cancel my contract today, AT&T would enforce the penalty or charge back or whatever you want to call it. However, we have phones that are not up to date according to the current release available for the WP7.xx platform. This is flat wrong and may be a pursuable argument.
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It is possible that this argument could be relevant...however, you may have to look at it from another standpoint that would make your argument have flaws. For instance, our devices are not the only devices that are not updated to current technology. -Meaning Android users that are still on Froyo, Gingerbread, ICS...etc could argue the same thing. I just want to point out that Android users have it slightly worse than us at this point, in which updates are "rarely" seen on these type of phones. Updates are pushed out from the OEMs to the carriers, but still the carriers refuse to forward the updates to the phones. I remember reading an article about Android phones and updates on a random tech site just recently. Basically it stated that updates to these types of phones on the US carriers are "very" limited and rare. Oh look I found the article!
http://news.discovery.com/tech/android-ice-cream-sandwich-jelly-bean-updates-121013.html
So with that said, I'm sure that if you tried to cancel your contract with them and enforced your argument you stated here, you will still be entitled to the penalty of canceling the contract. This maybe a different argument but I have seen where carriers have made people still pay the penalty charges even if a person has to cancel the contract due to legal/personal reasons (death, going out of the country, identity theft, etc). If I could give an analogy to contracts on phone carriers, they would be like "student loans." -Both entity's motto suggests "somebody has to pay for something."
Now going back on topic, if by some miracle ATT gave into this argument, I would be overwhelmingly surprised because millions of customers could do the same exact thing you wanted to do. Contracts with carriers are carefully worded to where loopholes like this can't happen.
Anyway, if you happen to try this argument of yours and it works, let me know. I would be right behind you on this! As a tech enthusiast, I am always wanting more -in terms of current technology. I consider my phone to be another piece of technology that I've personalized to enhance my own technology experiences. Most people who own phones, would have another viewpoint -which is basically just a "communication device." Since I've been on ATT ever since they merged with Cingular, I know abandoned updates on phones, such as in our situation, is extremely frustrating. A typical user who only uses the phone for means of communication would probably not even acknowledge that phones "have updates" that enhance the user experience. But then again, that is why I am here on XDA -to better myself with this. Ever since Windows Mobile 5, I've learned that if you want to enhance your experience with these devices this is the place to be. Over the years on this forum, I've learned that getting what you want and need for your phone is easier than it looks.
Anyway, I think this post is long enough. lol. If anybody else wants to chime in and explain some further reasoning of why this argument would not work...then be my guest. Till next time....
Samsung isn't planning on releasing this phone on the big red until MAY30 WHICH is very close to June and isn't there going to be a couple phone in June around that same type with the new snapdragon 800 like that new moto phone coming out so I'm.curious wouldn't the new phone in June play the new gs4 obsolete ? Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! why is Verizon releasing this phone so late i mean if there's a phone within the same month of the gs4 with twice the power then I won't consider the gs4 when I can wait just 2 weeks and buy somethin much more superior in hardware and stock android Samsung is about to lose a tons of money on Verizon if they wait all th way to may30 around the same month as sum very new phones with double the power .... Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ?? in may when moto announces there phone which will prob kill the gs4 in every way specs and software within 3week after the gs4 comes to store everyone will cancel there preorders and just wait and extra 3week to get the most powerful phone with a better screen n better snapdragon n prob more sensors and better battery and full stock android!
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gabrielpina4 said:
Samsung gs4 release so late will make it its own demise ! Why didnt the gs4 release earlier ??
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That doesn't make a lot of sense. People in the U.S. typically get new phones when they become eligible so there's a steady stream of people year round looking to buy new phones no matter when they are released. People buy what pleases them. The DNA tanked on VZW and there were no other phones released before it or after it that caused its failure. And it was powerful and had the world's first 1080P display. People are still buying SGS3's in large quantities and probably will after the SGS4's out because the price will be reduced. The SGS4 will be on the market as a "flagship" for 9-12 months and Samsung's planning on selling 10MM a month. HTC, Motorola, LG, and Sony all introduced phones that competed with the SGS3 and it certainly didn't affect Samsung's sales last year. So there's no reason to expect it to this year either. And the average consumer doesn't know (or care) what a Snapdragon, Exynos, or Octa is.
Plenty of hot new phones came out after the Galaxy S3's July release in the U.S. like the Razr Maxx HD, Nexus 4, etc. yet the GS3 outsold all of them by a huge margin. The average consumer doesn't buy phones based mainly on hardware specs.
Verizon is launching it on may 23rd, not may 30th. I went to Verizon yesterday and there was a Samsung rep there showing the employees the s4 and they said the official launch date is the 23rd. I know that's still three weeks later than the rest, but at least its a week earlier than may 30th. I gotta question, is verizons s4 going to be harder to unlock and root than the rest of them? I heard Verizon likes to lock them down, and I've never owned a smartphone I've been holding out for this one. I own a nexus 7 which is obviously the easiest to unlock and root. But i know the s4 is a huge release so I'm kinda assuming that there will be a solid method to root for Verizon. Am i right?
According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
The Galaxy S 4 is optimized for powerful performance on the nation’s fastest networks and will be available on AT&T, Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizon Wireless as well as U.S. Cellular, Cricket and C Spire starting during April. Additionally, consumers can find the Galaxy S 4 at Best Buy and Best Buy Mobile, Costco, Radio Shack, Sam’s Club, Staples, Target and Wal-Mart. Exact pricing and retail availability will be announced by each of the carriers and retailers in the coming weeks.
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http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
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According to official PR from Samsung today, it will be on all major US carriers by the end of April. I'm guessing April 30th.
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20687
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
And for the OP... i am not sure how new phones will make the s4 obsolete? a cpu does not a phone make....
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Available to carriers and carriers making the phone available to consumers are two different things.
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But it says available on not to... I'm staying optimistic!
It also says "starting in april" that could mean that just one or a few carriers will roll it out in April.
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I.D.K. why the O.P. is saying that the galaxy s4 would be obsolete soon i mean come on the motorla x phone right now is just a nice looking rumor plus a processor in a phone doesn't make all that difference because maybe you saw last year's htc one X+ it smoked the galaxy but the battery was really bad plus i hardly ever think android needs more power right now they need to be more battery friendly and better screen really what do you want more than 441ppi ?? anyway looking at all those gs4 specs and concediring what happened with last year's gs3 i can tell you that the galaxy won't go down till the gs5 is out so don't worry if verizon goes a few weeks later than everyone else it will still sell like hot cakes.
I still have unlimited internet after 4/21 can I buy new galaxy s4 cell using the new 12 month payment plan that's effective on 4/21 without upgrading to the 200sub? Does anyone know I think everyone who still has unlimited internet should ask Verizon this.. I wanna get the new s4 but keep my unlimited internet so will this 12month thing work for me?
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I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
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I am going to tell you right now that Verizon's phones are the worst due to the spyware they bloat them up with. I hope they do as little to it as possible and there's no way verizon is going to pay for a S800 S4. They are cheap when it comes to there phones and replacing one that has gone bad is near impossible unless you take them to the FCC. If they ever touch my unlimited, I am gone with out a hint of doubt.
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I actually find that replacing phones is very easy on verizon compared to sprint. I had sprint in the past and their customer service was atrocious. The Fascinate (Verizon Galaxy S) apparently had lots of problems, and they kept getting replaced until the Droid Charge came out, when Verizon just started giving out Charges to replace Fascinates.
The Charge had some problems too, and if you got enough bad ones from them, they even started handing out the Bionic, Rezound, and Razr too (phones that came out later with much higher specs). I even bricked my Charge and they just gave me a new one.
Verizon web page updated with Galaxy S4
Verizon web page updated today with Galaxy S4
The next big thing is coming.....late
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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They had to post something. The basically are going to be releasing with the third world, lol. Its ALWAYS something with them. They did their best to wreck the galaxy nexus, they were in on the Carrier IQ scandal, they have to plaster their dated logo on everything, and they sell pretty much the most bloated phones in existence. Yes, they have a good network, but frankly, I live in DFW...all the carriers have good networks here. It's flat, populated and affluent.
I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending. My wife gets a ~25% discount through work, but I can get 15% on T-Mobile, and with the massive price difference, it actually makes T-mobile a better deal. I may even pickup up a used N4, get the $30 walmart plan thing, and wait for the Note III.
I guess as someone that pays attention and is tired of getting screwed and treated like an idiot sheep, I am just not their target market.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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I don't know exactly which options you're choosing, but if you do the math I suspect you'll find that T-Mobile isn't the better deal. I've been doing research recently for an upgrade myself, and I found that corporate discounts actually significantly narrow the gap between T-Mobile and Verizon. Reason is because with T-Mobile ditching subsidies but lowering the monthly bill, the value of a discount on that smaller monthly bill is proportionately less. If you factor in the fact that a full price GS4 on T-Mobile is $630 vs $200 for Verizon, Verizon might actually come out ahead over the course of 2 years.
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If he used like 1GB a month sure it would cost less, but Verizon's network has really gone down the drain in the bigger citys. May as well have sprint 3G at times it get's so bad. Now if you live in bum ville sure Verzion win's. But he live's in the city so data speeds will be better on T-moblie.
Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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I have an upgrade, but their delay conveniently puts me within a month of my contract ending.
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If you're considering using an upgrade, that means you don't have unlimited, in which case my question is... why bother with VZ?
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Also no unlimited data any more with verizon and those like me that still have it get throttled.
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It's not throttled. When the network isn't congested (as you say, places like NYC during the day are crap) I still get great speeds.
Has anyone bought Samsung Galaxy S4 Active? its more rugged version of Samsung Galaxy S4 which is IP-67 certified, can avoid 1 meter water for 30 mins.
Anyone?
suzi002 said:
Has anyone bought Samsung Galaxy S4 Active? its more rugged version of Samsung Galaxy S4 which is IP-67 certified, can avoid 1 meter water for 30 mins.
Anyone?
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Search the forum next time, please.
The phone isn't even out yet. Nobody even knows which carriers will have it. For now, Samsung has just announced that it'll be releasing this summer.
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hotleadsingerguy said:
Search the forum next time, please.
The phone isn't even out yet. Nobody even knows which carriers will have it. For now, Samsung has just announced that it'll be releasing this summer.
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So today AT&T announced they will be releasing the phone on June 21st for $199.99, on contract (ostensibly $650 off-contract).
Guessing this means either Verizon is not getting the phone or won't get it for awhile...just like every good phone lately. Verizon needs to step up their hardware game if they want to maintain the numbers they have. Having great service is wonderful, but not having great devices to enjoy the service on is a bad mission plan.
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So today AT&T announced they will be releasing the phone on June 21st for $199.99, on contract (ostensibly $650 off-contract).
Guessing this means either Verizon is not getting the phone or won't get it for awhile...just like every good phone lately. Verizon needs to step up their hardware game if they want to maintain the numbers they have. Having great service is wonderful, but not having great devices to enjoy the service on is a bad mission plan.
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Meh. They have iPhones now. :good:
Another phone Verizon will not carry and if they do, months down the road and only the lowest storage model.
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Another phone Verizon will not carry and if they do, months down the road and only the lowest storage model.
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It's almost like Verizon has figured out how far they can go before their customers flee....and then stop right at the line.
They are milking it and will keep doing it until At&t threatens their position, or Verizon loses some of their premium rate customers.
This would be good for my wife who seems to break every electronic device she touches...
It will be a huge seller for which people like me will stay with their current device (S3) since not worth losing unlimited going to another carrier to get it. Coverage for me is also a Verizon need.
People like me are a big part of Verizon's milking strategy. Why release these devices if people stay anyway? No extra marketing, training, inventory, sales, or support costs. Ride the middle line and milk it, real good.
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Even if we get the Active down the road, it will be no better for storage than the S4. Meh. The only way would get a 32 is if that is the lowest option.
This phone would be nice for when I'm taking my underwater basketweaving class and need to google a new weave pattern.
i have not bought it. But i am quite interested in it. do you have more information about it? Can u provide it for us as a refererence. Thanks
I know the 6P won't be sold through the carriers, at least not right away. I'm a Tmo subscriber and I was a little disappointed at first but buying the phone and paying for it in full is always the best route.
With that being said are you with Tmo? What area of the country are you in? Having issues or are new services going live? Questions about service with past or the new nexus device? Let's keep each other updated with what's going on with our carrier.
I've had just about every nexus phone while on Tmo. I had spotty service for awhile but over the years service has gotten much better for me in the Orlando area. This past year I've seen almost all the 3g towers turn into LTE. I got to use HD voice for the first time on my nexus 6. VOLTE got turned on. Band 12 going live (although not in my area, I've used it in other FL markets) Going forward to the 6P are we going lose some of these? I've already seen a report that band 12 will not be unlocked at launch for our device. Will volte be available? HD voice? None of these are deal breakers but it would suck to have such a cutting edge device yet it can't access some basic phone functions. What are your thoughts/insight?
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when they see that sales are going down they will be dropping the price and eipin the phone just take a couple months
But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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But i dont want to wait that long.. Ive saved my Jump and wanted the newest nexus again... Damn you
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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why even bother with the jump program? buy phone outright and sell old phone. no restrictions, change phones whenever you want and probably cheaper.
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I'm not a fan of jump either however not everyone can afford the full price, some people are fortunate to be able to.
I guess it's kinda like leasing your car but of course a way lower price.
I love buying unlocked phones and now that tmobiles prices are so low it really works out
Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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Even with the jump program you are paying full price for the phone. It just gives you the option to trade in without worrying about negative equity, like a car. But I guarantee you the first time you buy a new car cash you'll set yourself up for life to never have a car payment again, this is so much easier to do with a phone... So much easier.
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I think most people who get the jump program get it because they can't afford to pay the full price up front, even if they are paying the same in the end or maybe sometimes you pay more for a device when you could've gotten an unlocked device (same or better) for cheaper
I actually began my Nexus 6 purchase through finance. I figured hey, it's 0% who cares. I started to think of bills and life from a more DTI based perspective vs my older, borrow at low or no interest and invest to get more mindset.
Once you start paying off everything with a payment (no matter how low the interest) you start to have so much excess cash monthly that you realize WTF you've been doing wrong your whole life. It also makes it a lot easier to save and invest.
Anyway back on topic, I don't think carriers will be getting the 6P. But if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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if anyone did, it would probably be T-Mobile
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Since the thing will not be supporting band 12 on t-mobile, at least not right away, I'd think not.
Edit: Hah! Soon!
https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/3mzygu/google_nexus_team_ama_working_to_get_band_12/
Why pay full price for the phone? I have the original Jump program. So i pay $27/Month. In one year I paid $324 and traded the phone in for the next Nexus. I didnt have to shell out the full $650. I dont know but it works fine for me. Only phone i care about are the nexus devices. Its a Big deal when i can simply walk into the store hand them my old phone keep all my Chargers and accessories and walk out with a new phone paying only taxes..
I just pre-ordered one and I feel that Jump may not offer a good deal. I've been hearing a lot about Google Fi so that does seem like a better option overall. Also, you would lose out on the $50 play credit and three months of free Google Play Music unless you get it before Oct 25. I'll be using mine for T-Mobile and I'd only hold on ordering to look over reviews, but it's a Nexus device so it should be pretty solid. I agree with many in here that not everyone can pay full price, but with Jump you are still paying quite a bit of money. It's just better to buy it up front then sell the old phone after.
One of the things mentioned in the Reddit AMA today was they're attempting to work with TMobile on getting the Band 12 turned on prior to the device getting to everyone. So at least they're acknowledging the issue.
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They're not selling the Nexus 6P in U.S. carrier stores... So we don't have the option to use Jump! or Jump! On Demand. I have a Galaxy S6 on Jump! On Demand that I'm a few months into... I purchased a 6P outright and will use 1 of my 3 upgrades w/ T-Moible to go w/ something else, and not pay a dime at the store. I switch phones a TON so for me Jump! On Demand is awesome. I will say though, once I am done with this current EIP, I will try to stay with unlocked phones and just pay outright for them. My monthly bill will be a lot cheaper.
As far as the band 12 support; if they get it fixed by ship date, great. If not, oh well... I don't have access to band 12 where I am (Columbus, Ohio), so I'm not missing anything if they don't have it fixed. I'm sure when/if it gets activated here this will be fixed.
In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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In the Reddit AMA;
They ignored every question about why they are not selling through US Carriers. This was the most commonly asked question.
I'm like thinking, that's one of the most important questions, why will this not be sold in U.S. Carrier stores ? Especially T-Mobile stores, as they have carried and stocked every single Nexus phone the past six years. I could see Verizon or ATT not selling it, but T-Mobile has been a big supporter of the Nexus phones, as far as carriers go.
So the Nexus 6P will be nowhere to be seen or played with in stores, you just have to hope you think you'll like it and order it online only ? That's crazy. I always want to hold it in hand, mess around it with it for 30 minutes in the store, really get a feel for the phone, before deciding.
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I'm sure that They will be available at some point. Google has given exclusivity for the first couple months before, this time it's to themselves. Maybe they want to get the preorders out without a disaster like previous releases. On the bright side we get great pricing compared to the rest of the world
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Yeah, Rumor is they could offer them in stores later this month to avoid the instant rush of phone orders. They sell direct first then allow carries to carry a few models if wanted.
That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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That Reddit AMA was filled with tons of questions asking about U.S. Carrier availability, and they didn't respond once.
Wonder if that got them thinking, hey maybe we should put this out to T-Mobile and other carriers maybe ? I could see that happening after the rush of Play Store orders, and be in stores come December. I bet T-Mobile at least carries it by Christmas, just my guess.
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I'm wondering if part of the reason is so they can say see how many devices we sold without you, you're not getting customized builds this time.
If they announce carrier availability it would just eat into their own direct sales.
I'd be shocked if this doesn't ultimately get on carriers in a quarter or so.
I'm still upset no Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, especially T-Mobile.
And I call BS on Google's excuse, that they want full control and no carrier slow downs no carrier involvement mucking things up.
Apple
Carriers don't get in the way of Apple and iOS updates. A Verizon or ATT iPhone 6S get's updated straight from Apple, you don't see Verizon users waiting longer for the iOS update, than an international iPhone user, or Apple having to give the update to ATT first and then let them, hand out the update later to it's customers.
Nope, if you have a Sprint, or T-Mobile, or Verizon iPhone, you just go to iTunes or Apple for the update, and they have the update available at the exact the same time, no matter which carrier phone you own.
My point is, carriers aren't in the way whatsoever, and Apple sells a **** ton of iPhone's through these carriers. How many sales of iPhone's are done directly through the Apple store and site only, like Google wants people to buy the Nexus 6P through the Play Store only ?
Google should sell the Nexus 6P at U.S. Carrier stores, and not give the BS excuse it's because of updates or some crap.