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I've got an AT&T branded Atrix, however I am actually in Australia and Telstra is my network provider. Is it possible to flash the new Telstra SBF onto my Atrix? If not, why not? If yes, what could I expect to be different?
I would like to know the answer to this too as I am on vodafone and this would uncap my data speeds. What I would like to point out though is that I assume you know as well as I do how delayed most Australian software updates are compared to the US. If you want the latest and greatest software updates and features, I'd stick with AT&T SBF.. which is what I've decided to do myself.
-DarkRyoushii
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1030644&page=2
AT&T sbf on Bell atrix bricks it apparently...
Good to know, but I think we're looking at going the other direction by putting the new Telstra SBF onto the AT&T branded Atrix. I feel more comfortable running my own provider's software on my phone. I guess it will take a brave soul to try it. I'd give it a go if someone could guarantee I'd be able to flash back to the stock AT&T SBF if it all goes wrong. I don't really understand why it wouldn't work if the underlying hardware is essentially the same.
Interesting thoughts about the frequency of updates. I've only just moved back to Australia after many years away, so I'm not really sure how good Telstra is at releasing updates.
here's your answer. Second post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042304&page=9
ManoloVerg said:
Good to know, but I think we're looking at going the other direction by putting the new Telstra SBF onto the AT&T branded Atrix. I feel more comfortable running my own provider's software on my phone. I guess it will take a brave soul to try it. I'd give it a go if someone could guarantee I'd be able to flash back to the stock AT&T SBF if it all goes wrong. I don't really understand why it wouldn't work if the underlying hardware is essentially the same.
Interesting thoughts about the frequency of updates. I've only just moved back to Australia after many years away, so I'm not really sure how good Telstra is at releasing updates.
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There pretty good at updates, but I'm also looking for this. The above post shows a guy saying it didnt work for someone else... Might give it a go when I get the HTC Sensation as a back up phone.
When Motorola said they would unlock bootloader s in late 2011, depending on carrier.
If your carrier is not one that will allow it, could you flash another carrier sbf to acquire an unlockable bootloader?
Desire is the source of all suffering.
cant see why not, the french 2.1.1 is a retail sbf afaik so in theory that should get any updates almost straight away as opposed to the carrier specific sbfs, may be wrong though :S
ears1991 said:
cant see why not, the french 2.1.1 is a retail sbf afaik so in theory that should get any updates almost straight away as opposed to the carrier specific sbfs, may be wrong though :S
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Just was noticing how some sbf's are not compatible. And if it's an update that effects the bootloader then it maybe brand specific, unless it's upto the carrier to give you that update, so then they could with hold it, if it allows the bootloader to be unlocked.
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nitrox1 said:
When Motorola said they would unlock bootloader s in late 2011, depending on carrier.
If your carrier is not one that will allow it, could you flash another carrier sbf to acquire an unlockable bootloader?
Desire is the source of all suffering.
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whoa when did motorola say they were going to unlock bootloaders? do you have a link?
This is AT&T we are talking about here.
With their long history of screwing customers over, do you really thing this will happen?
(I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just more realistic)
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This is AN AMERICAN CARRIER we are talking about here.
With their long history of screwing customers over, do you really thing this will happen?
(I'm not trying to be pessimistic, just more realistic)
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There, I fixed that for you!
I would think that after they stop supporting the device they will open the bootloader but knowing Motorola they might just expect you to get a new phone that they will support for another few months. If we have to sign a contract with the carrier then the carrier should sign a contract with us agreeing to support the device, however I know realisticly AT&T would never go for that. What is sad is that my G1, the first android phone got Cyanogen support up to froyo. With motorola we will get Gingerbread at some point and maybe Ice Cream but who knows.
Sorry for ranting I just which Motorola was a more open company in respect to dealing with its customers. The more they disconnect from their customers the less they will have...
Tmo and sprint are doing pretty well. Verizon is alright (with the droid line). Most non droid motorola phones seem to suck and be crippled.
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whoa when did motorola say they were going to unlock bootloaders? do you have a link?
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It's out there, think it's on their facebook, or google it.
They said 'all their range', but also upto carrier, by end of 2011.
When I was flashing my desire, htc updates changed hboot, that's why I asked.
And if you have a at&t phone, would you be able to flash a tmo uk sbf, to get your bootloader unlocked, if at&t didn't provide? Was the real question, or vice versa.
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Dependant on carrier? I'm confused.....Does this mean that HTCs will still be locked on AT&T even though they said they won't?
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The carriers can, but the flipside is that its more work for the lazy bums at at&t. I doubt htc will lock the bootloader, but at&t does have the final word.
Sent from my Motorola Atrix 4G on the network with the most backhaul, whatever that is
I've pretty much accepted the fact that we'll never see an unlocked bootloader on this phone. Either officially, or through some dev work on xda. Atleast that way I can be surprised if it ever happens.
If AT&T really does have the final say, I dont see why we couldnt flash a bootloader update intended for, say, a Bell Atrix. Remember when people were flashing a radio intended for Tesla Atrix's that unlocked HSPA+ speeds before 1.83? We could probably just do the same here.
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If AT&T really does have the final say, I dont see why we couldnt flash a bootloader update intended for, say, a Bell Atrix. Remember when people were flashing a radio intended for Tesla Atrix's that unlocked HSPA+ speeds before 1.83? We could probably just do the same here.
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I'm no dev, but am pretty sure you can't just go about flashing a bootloader all willy nilly like. could be wrong though
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I'm no dev, but am pretty sure you can't just go about flashing a bootloader all willy nilly like. could be wrong though
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Well you are wrong. With the Dream you could flash the SPL off the google dev phone to it which was the source of all custom roms for a while. This in fact would be a closer match and would work with little/no modification.
chria01 said:
Well you are wrong. With the Dream you could flash the SPL off the google dev phone to it which was the source of all custom roms for a while. This in fact would be a closer match and would work with little/no modification.
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The Atrix isnt the Dream, so there's no way to know for sure. But until its proven that cant be done, I choose to remain optimistic.
The bootloader and kernel are signed.
If you flashed the bootloader, you'd need to also be able to decrypt the kernel otherwise flashing would be pretty useless. Unless you could redirect what kernel to load. (Lol defeated my own argument)
I don't believe it's the carrier's that carry all the weight. It seems more like the OEMs do.
HTC declared that all bootloaders would be unlocked. They just said so. They didn't say, with permission from the carrier.
That's only after people bombed their facebook and twitter after hearing about the Evo3D. We've been trying since the DX to get even a vague response on if Motorola will do it or not.
From my understanding, if Motorola provide an SBF or update.zip that can load a signed boot image that will then allow us to load unsigned packages then we should be able to get it retroactively.
I'm just not sure if any of the people on the TI OMAP cpu will be as lucky as those devices also had hardware mechanism in place to stop flashing.
I'm still trying guys!
I'm using HTC's announcement as steam and have a contact in Moto Australia trying to help me get the right people on the phone. No promises, just a reminder that I'm fighting this and will continue to until it's unlocked.
Cheers,
Irwin
I spoke with an upper level tech support rep from AT&T yesterday and I know it's not absolute but when I asked what AT&T's stance was on unlocked boot loaders, she said they were against it.
I know it's not an official answer, but they said flashing of any unauthorized ROMs is something they're against and therefore will not support unlocked boot loaders.
Just putting it out there. Let's hope our devs can bypass this =].
First off, it's great to see so many familiar faces here in the Note section. I am wanting to upgrade from my Telus Desire HD to a Samsung Note. I am on ATT here in the USA, although I prefer non-ATT phones for personal reasons. I prefer rooted unbranded stock ROMs. Are there any advantages or disadvantages between the Telus, Rogers, and Bell versions? If my understanding is correct, the Bell version comes unbranded and sim unlocked? Any advice before I take the plunge?
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First off, it's great to see so many familiar faces here in the Note section. I am wanting to upgrade from my Telus Desire HD to a Samsung Note. I am on ATT here in the USA, although I prefer non-ATT phones for personal reasons. I prefer rooted unbranded stock ROMs. Are there any advantages or disadvantages between the Telus, Rogers, and Bell versions? If my understanding is correct, the Bell version comes unbranded and sim unlocked? Any advice before I take the plunge?
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The Bell version is full of bloatware and sim-locked. I don't think there's any difference between each version of the device exept maybe the bloatwares and the modem.
Thanks for the reply. I have been doing some heavy searching and have been getting mixed results. One person says Bell has no carrier branding and another claims Telus while another claims Rogers. I would like to keep the options available on the Canadian ROM versions. I don't see any rooted unbranded Canadian carrier ROMs on XDA and would like the easiest approach while I get used to Samsung.
DaGr8 is a well know developers on the GNote and he owns the i717R (Rogers). As far as I know, right now he's working on a i717 (AT&T) leak of ics with this device and I also flashed the leak without any trouble. Every LTE Galaxy Note seems to share the same specs, so don't worry about that.
I use my i717R on Fido (Rogers sub-brand) and I didn't had to sim-unlock it even if Fido don't sell this phone. Still, I've been told that the phone is still locked to Rogers network.
Also Rogers and AT&T share nearly the same network technologies since the beginning, yes Rogers just like AT&T were the first to have the iPhone in Canada. That's something to concider.
Hi Agoattamer. I know you from the Inspire\HD threads. I too am making the change to Note. I was simply planning on getting the ATT version just because it was the cheapest way to go. Now your post is making me wonder if I should consider other options. I can't really offer a lot of info to answer your question of which way to go. Just wanted to say hi. (We are both fellow Pennsylvanians, too.)
Rooted is easy, as I am sure you know.
Unbranded, stock ROMs is also not an issue. There are several ROMs already in the Dev thread and more are coming all the time. Most, if not all, seem to be ICS so I hope that is to your liking.
As of now unlocking is going to cost you. Only the paid services option is available, so far. I saw an option that unlocks other Samsung phones but so far I haven't been able to get anyone to try it for me so it is one of the things I plan to do once I get my new Note.
Get the AT&T version
Get the AT&T version I'm trying to get WildChild to this also but he really likrs HTC
Don't want the ATT version.
Actually we are from the same town kimtyson. I don't want to give up my dumbphone unlimited plan. Not sure if we will get LTE here in the next 2 years. And the money I will save by paying $10 a month for trully unlimited internet will overshadow the around $500 price tag.nd won't be stuck in a 2 year contract in case something great does come up. I am guessing I can get any of the three to suit my needs.
Maybe I am blind but I haven't seen any stock unbranded and bloatfree ROMs available. Do they exist?
Ordered a Roger's version. Can't wait to play with it.
Just bought the Verizon moto e at best buy and have it working on t mobile but want to install custom roms.
Sadly it does not. Just bought mine today as a secondary device.
I am just hoping that someone can do something to unlock that bootloader (could the stagefright vulnerability be used to do some things since it does have some root capabilities?) or at least get the device loki'd.
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Sadly it does not. Just bought mine today as a secondary device.
I am just hoping that someone can do something to unlock that bootloader (could the stagefright vulnerability be used to do some things since it does have some root capabilities?) or at least get the device loki'd.
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i bought it for the same reason at best buy to uses as a backup for myself or a friend of family member. Just like you i was curious about rooting and custom roms for it. Sadly i found out by trying to follow the tutorial to unlock the bootloader and when i went to Motorola website for the unlock code it said my device couldn't be unlocked :crying:
Before i picked up the Moto e i seen on XDA the Verizon variant could be used on any service so i didn't even think twice to see if it was unlock-able before trying.
Just now wile typing this it actually got me thinking and the thought of the Verizon variant being able to be used on. got me wondering.
Under the hood of the Verizon Moto e is the hardware exactly the same as the other variants or are there more radios for the Verizon network? I ask this because if its the same would there be someway to install the international variant bootloader on the Verizon variant and then unlock it?
if that sounds very stupid im sorry lol. I don't know very much about unlocking devices besides how to follow tutorials of how to unlock a device. But i do know how to flash and install things im kind of a flashaholic thats one reason i looked to unlock this device right away
Verizon as is already annoys me by how there devices have locked bootlaoders thankfully someone found a workaround for the G3, but seeing how this is a prepaid device that customers pay in full for i don't see why they have to lock it down...
$9.99 from bestbuy, it's the best budget phone. I made it work under t-mobile.
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i bought it for the same reason at best buy to uses as a backup for myself or a friend of family member. Just like you i was curious about rooting and custom roms for it. Sadly i found out by trying to follow the tutorial to unlock the bootloader and when i went to Motorola website for the unlock code it said my device couldn't be unlocked :crying:
Before i picked up the Moto e i seen on XDA the Verizon variant could be used on any service so i didn't even think twice to see if it was unlock-able before trying.
Just now wile typing this it actually got me thinking and the thought of the Verizon variant being able to be used on. got me wondering.
Under the hood of the Verizon Moto e is the hardware exactly the same as the other variants or are there more radios for the Verizon network? I ask this because if its the same would there be someway to install the international variant bootloader on the Verizon variant and then unlock it?
if that sounds very stupid im sorry lol. I don't know very much about unlocking devices besides how to follow tutorials of how to unlock a device. But i do know how to flash and install things im kind of a flashaholic thats one reason i looked to unlock this device right away
Verizon as is already annoys me by how there devices have locked bootlaoders thankfully someone found a workaround for the G3, but seeing how this is a prepaid device that customers pay in full for i don't see why they have to lock it down...
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Can't overwrite the bootloader since it is locked, the partition is locked to read. However, I was thinking, since it has that 5.1 update, it must've written to the system partition and which case I wonder if a fake update of some kind be used. Kingoroot also somehow can mount and write to the system partition through their rooting process, if someone can figure how it does that, there is hope for this version.
There is also the possibility of someone developing loki for this phone too, which would bring at least some custom action to this.
Verizon does some weird things, both it and AT&T, I just don't understand them. AT&T locks down the device and sometimes they even get updates that were released for the phone. Verizon declines other phones which people want. Anyways, we only paid $10 for phone, couldn't say no to that, right? Unlocked SIM and if they do find a workaround, just cherry on top of the icing.
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$9.99 from bestbuy, it's the best budget phone. I made it work under t-mobile.
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+1 - cant beat the price.
With so many of these out there now, I think its only a matter of time until someone figures out the bootloader and rom questions.
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+1 - cant beat the price.
With so many of these out there now, I think its only a matter of time until someone figures out the bootloader and rom questions.
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I hope so, would really suck to stay on 5.1 and miss out on any security updates, etc.
But from the looks of scanning through part of the forum, no seems to be taking on the task of figuring out a way to do so. The one guy that was trying had school that took over his time and then there are no other threads about it.
Yeah, I hope that you are right that all these new devices out there will spark something.
Can't find any answers by searching the threads (apologies if I've missed something obvious!)
I'm thinking of buying an EE UK LG G5. I'm already with EE but I hate slow updates, and in my experience EE firmware tends to get updates really slowly in the U.K.
I have flashed Samsungs in the past and it's a very easy process - no need to unlock bootloaders or anything, just flash in ODIN and there's your stock UK Samsung.
Is it as straightforward with a G5? I don't want to do any modding, rooting or anything like that - I just want to effectively turn the device into a SIM free model with no carrier apps or customisations whilst retaining warranty and the ability to do OTA updates in future. Can I simply flash generic UK firmware onto the G5 to replace EE's? I don't even care about SIM unlocking since I'm already with EE.
I don't mind if it's not possible by the way, I just won't buy it if so, just thought I'd put the question to this community as if anyone has the answer you do!
Thanks again.
leoni1980 said:
Can't find any answers by searching the threads (apologies if I've missed something obvious!)
I'm thinking of buying an EE UK LG G5. I'm already with EE but I hate slow updates, and in my experience EE firmware tends to get updates really slowly in the U.K.
I have flashed Samsungs in the past and it's a very easy process - no need to unlock bootloaders or anything, just flash in ODIN and there's your stock UK Samsung.
Is it as straightforward with a G5? I don't want to do any modding, rooting or anything like that - I just want to effectively turn the device into a SIM free model with no carrier apps or customisations whilst retaining warranty and the ability to do OTA updates in future. Can I simply flash generic UK firmware onto the G5 to replace EE's? I don't even care about SIM unlocking since I'm already with EE.
I don't mind if it's not possible by the way, I just won't buy it if so, just thought I'd put the question to this community as if anyone has the answer you do!
Thanks again.
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Just get it through Carphone Warehouse and it'll come without Carrier rubbish. I bought mine from O2 directly and there's no Carrier apps or what i'd call bloat at all. LG tend to update much much quicker than Samsung anyway, but stock ROM's can be flashed.
leoni1980 said:
Can't find any answers by searching the threads (apologies if I've missed something obvious!)
I'm thinking of buying an EE UK LG G5. I'm already with EE but I hate slow updates, and in my experience EE firmware tends to get updates really slowly in the U.K.
I have flashed Samsungs in the past and it's a very easy process - no need to unlock bootloaders or anything, just flash in ODIN and there's your stock UK Samsung.
Is it as straightforward with a G5? I don't want to do any modding, rooting or anything like that - I just want to effectively turn the device into a SIM free model with no carrier apps or customisations whilst retaining warranty and the ability to do OTA updates in future. Can I simply flash generic UK firmware onto the G5 to replace EE's? I don't even care about SIM unlocking since I'm already with EE.
I don't mind if it's not possible by the way, I just won't buy it if so, just thought I'd put the question to this community as if anyone has the answer you do!
Thanks again.
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I'm on Virgin UK and flashed Orange's firmware which worked fine without issue (I did this as I had a sort of temp brick of sorts.)
Might be worth having a look at this thread if you haven't already http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/lg-g5-to-stock-t3369959
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I'm on Virgin UK and flashed Orange's firmware which worked fine without issue (I did this as I had a sort of temp brick of sorts.)
Might be worth having a look at this thread if you haven't already http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g5/how-to/lg-g5-to-stock-t3369959
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I didn't see this reply, thanks! Assume you're not BL unlocked/rooted and were just running stock Virgin Mobile firmware?
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I didn't see this reply, thanks! Assume you're not BL unlocked/rooted and were just running stock Virgin Mobile firmware?
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At the time yes, but It wouldn't make much difference as It works regardless of bootloader status