still waitin 4 CAMERA UPDATED firmware? do we get it b4 MANGO? did HTC 4got mozart? - 7 Mozart General

so the windows phone 7 devices os consist of the following parts:
4. the OS itself (NOT device specific)
3. Firmware (device specific)
2. Radio software (device specific)
1. Bootloader (device specific)
so to simplify it lets say the 1. bootloader is the bios
the 2. radio software is gsm/cdma cellphone service drivers
3. firmware is device specific drivers and software
and last but not least is the user interface, the 4. device OS
now already two month ago HTC pushed device updates for HD7 and trophy
but not for the mozart, in my countrys support page from HTC the mozart IS NOT EVEN LISTED. it seems they forgot about the phone. check it out yourself:
http://www.htc.com/de/support_select_product.aspx
now i do know there DOES UPDATED CAMERA DRIVER EXIST.
ive once flashed this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984239
RUU_Mozart_HTC_Europe_1.30.401.01_5.54.09.21_22.33 b.50_RELEASE
this one had some very much updated camera!
the first thing you will notice it AUTOFOCUS
i can proove the results in very much better pictures!
well i had to flash back to stock rom and updated the normal ways.. currently running the newest OS, but still on that stock bootloader/firmware
completly missing the camera features...
now everytime i take pictures i remember how they could have been....
its a shame...

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Well we know that and its a shame but HTC is the one to blame...

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i don't think it's HTC at fault
i have got the autofocus on my camera with NoDo - others have reported the same.
Possibly a region thing? Same as some people have voice-search and others don't

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No its not region dependent! It doesn't make any sense.
You got it with NoDo because if you read Microsoft updates, they make updates for specific devices and not only the OS itself. Thay way, and with the hardware manufacturer, the updates can also have better functionality for specific devices...

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sorry - i don't understand what point you're making.
YES microsoft update lots of things in each update - how does that make it HTCs fault?
if i have a mozart - and you have a mozart - we should both get the same update yes?
The updates don't come from HTC. The carriers have the updates from MS and push from there. HTC aren't involved in the process.

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d-signet said:
sorry - i don't understand what point you're making.
YES microsoft update lots of things in each update - how does that make it HTCs fault?
if i have a mozart - and you have a mozart - we should both get the same update yes?
The updates don't come from HTC. The carriers have the updates from MS and push from there. HTC aren't involved in the process.
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Well i thought i said it all in the last post, but here it is again:
Microsoft updates the OS but also updates device specific stuff because they work with the manufacturer to do so! And that is why you got autofocus with NoDo (its not WP7 dependant)...
About the updates going to all of us Mozart users, we will get the updates but not at the same time, the World is much more complex than that.
HTC and the other manufacturers are involved in the process... They can send updates via Zune to specific devices. Didn't you read the first post, in witch HTC sent updates for Trophy and HD7?
Take a look at Microsoft Windows Phone Blog for instance, there is good info there, and all from Microsoft: http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/

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yes - i understood all of that as i said in my last post - i know that there is more involved in the updates than just the OS parts - i've been on here for many years - i know all of that - but NoDo is up to the CARRIERS when to push it.
the part i don't understand is where you said it was HTC's fault.
HTC are NOT pushing NoDo - they HAVE sent some specific updates out for some other devices as you said - but this has nothing to do with the autofocus issue.
When they send out updates - it's for ALL the devices of that type.
Therefore if it was an HTC problem - NOBODY with a mozart would have autofocus until HTC released a patch.
Because some people HAVE got it - and some people HAVEN'T got it - means that it's part of the NODO process which is between MS and the carriers - not HTC
For example : If EVERY trophy needs an update - HTC release it.
If EVERY omnia7 needs an update - samsung release it
These are issues which affect EVERY handset of it's type - and the manufacturer would be at fault for those issues. HTC would be at fault therefore if NOBODY had the autofocus and EVERYBODY needed the update.
HTC, samsung etc send some of their updates to MS to be included in the next version of the OS - and MS then push those updates AND the OS updates out to the carriers. This means that SOME people can have different features to other people. Like some people have Bing voice-search and some people don't - even though both have got NoDo.
If you get a problem that SOME users have got and others have NOT got - it means that either MS has only sent the fix for some carriers and not others - or that some carriers have not pushed the update out yet.
Autofocus problems therefore would be either MS' fault (for not sending the autofocus fix out with NoDo for those people) or the carriers fault (for not sending NoDo out yet at all).
look at the poll results - NOBODY has got autofocus as a fix from HTC - it's NOT htc's problem - but most people HAVE got it - mostly from the NoDo update.

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I think you are making some confusions.
Updates for specific devices, coming with NoDo or not, are manufacturers responsibility, because they work with MS, witch makes the OS updates.
The carriers may delay NoDo or other updates, but eventually they will be sent (MS is actually watching and controlling the carriers, and they have a website for that info too). Some carriers will not block anything and unbranded/unlocked devices will always get the updates as soon as MS sent them. There are even countries where WP7 is not "officially" available where the update is being sent (Portugal for instance).
Bing voice search, and other features, is only available on some countries. For instance, Bing is still BETA in Portugal, witch means we don't have the full Bing experience. If i put England or USA on my country, i can then use the full Bing experience, so these features, like others, are region related.
When people got the autofocus issue solved, they got it with NoDo or the phone already had a new bootloader witch included NoDo. Like i said, these device specific features were included by HTC.
All i mean is that if device features are missing or work badly, its the manufacturer fault (MMS configuration is not working on HTC devices for my carrier, and the problem is with HTC Connection Setup and not WP7, and they know this issue since October last year and have done nothing to solve it ).
The updates sent by MS getting to all people thats another story...

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no, becuase HTC HAVE sent the fix to MS to include with NoDo - that's where everyone else got the fix from. HTC HAVE FIXED IT. If you havent got autofocus its NOT htc's fault. They have fixed it and distributed the fix to MS to send to you.
AFAIK : Autofocus issue isn't a bug - it's just a change in behaviour - it's not that it didn't work before - it just works DIFFERENTLY now. Before you held the button down to the first step (which is the case on many cameras - that's why they have 2-stage buttons in the first place....first stage to focus - 2nd stage to take photo). SO again - it's NOT HTC's FAULT - becuase it wasnt a bug. There ISNT a bug - it's just been updated and now it works differently.
HTC Connection Setup is totally different - that is an HTC problem of course.

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im afraid that there is a little misunderstanding goin on...
or you understood right and im the only one without autofocus on nodo xD
there 2 kinds of autofocus, well, 1x focus, 1x autofocus
my current nodo and earlier camera does (auto)focus when you press the camera button half way.
but on the updated version you DONT HAVE TO PRESS BUTTON TO FOCUS
it will just focus & stabilize, no need to press the button, only to shoot.
i believe noone got that with nodo, only if u flashed the newest rom...

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no - i got that with nodo
i don't have to press the button - and some other other people got autofocus with nodo too.
if you remember when you posted here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1023928&page=2
Me and carmello1911 both said autofocus was working on our phones after nodo

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d-signet said:
no - i got that with nodo
i don't have to press the button - and some other other people got autofocus with nodo too.
if you remember when you posted here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1023928&page=2
Me and carmello1911 both said autofocus was working on our phones after nodo
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wow thats for the reminder, you see this still bugs me....
your infos (back then WITH handsfree AUTOFOCUS):
OS version : 7.0.7390.0
Firmware : 2250.09.13001.061
Hardware : 0004
Radio s/w : 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U
Bootloader : 1.30.2250.1(117854)
meegulthwarp WITHOUT AUTOFOCUS like me
OS: 7.0.7390.0
Firmware: 2250.09.13001.061
Radio s/w: 5.54.09.21_22.33b.50.10U
Bootloader : 1.30.2250.1(117854)
my infos ( still NO handsfree autofocus):
OS version : 7.0.7392.0
Firmware : 2250.09.12902.401
Hardware : 0004
Radio s/w : 5.52.09.16_22.33a.50.10U
Bootloader : 1.28.2250.4(113913)
meegulthwarp do much look like yours.
i really wonder whats goin on there and what part this depends on.
this is what i did do with my device:
1. unbranded the device!? YES
2. using goldcard? NO
3. Chevron Unlocked? YES
4. Registry Prevent Relock? YES
5. UPDATE to NODO via ZUNE? YES
6. current Phone Model Name: HTC 7 Mozart T8698
7. handsfree autofocus? NO
since t-mode finally pushes nodo my last hope is to flash back original rom, start from scratch and hope something changes, that sucks, and i think on my current rom mango might come earlier than tmode...

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S/w upgrade on Mozart?
NoDo? as the word say, really no-do,
Mango? where is it? Jan? March? & now still no news?
Really, what's this all about? 1st the win phone7 out, then, found out something not really good enough, ok, come with S/w upgrade, NoDo, still not good enough? then quickly made correction, improvements, . . . waiting & waiting . . . haiz.
where, where where? are the people in M/s or Htc aware??