The Expansys web site describes the Flyer as having a "standard micro-USB" connector.
The Flyer I have just unboxed and put on charge came with a micro-USB connector which was different even from the usual, half-squared off, HTC connector. This one has a cut-away at the top and (in a different axis) at the bottom.
I tried one of my older HTC USB connectors (Athena, Hero), but it resisted and I didn't want to force the issue, so the Flyer is charging on the connector it came with.
But is this for real? Have HTC changed the "standard" micro-USB for something propriety?
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The Expansys web site describes the Flyer as having a "standard micro-USB" connector.
The Flyer I have just unboxed and put on charge came with a micro-USB connector which was different even from the usual, half-squared off, HTC connector. This one has a cut-away at the top and (in a different axis) at the bottom.
I tried one of my older HTC USB connectors (Athena, Hero), but it resisted and I didn't want to force the issue, so the Flyer is charging on the connector it came with.
But is this for real? Have HTC changed the "standard" micro-USB for something propriety?
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Yes and no. It is a proprietary connector but microUSB cables still fit in the device. I've charged from a PC already and it works fine, although its SUPER SLOW.
/Linked images, hope they work./
A: Flyer "standard micro-USB", note the cut-away on the top.
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B: standard micro-USB cable, note the straight top.
Plug B will not fit socket A.
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B: standard micro-USB cable, note the straight top.
Plug B will not fit socket A.
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This is not a microUSB cable. It is a MiniUSB cable which is vastly different and does not fit in the flyer.
Thanks, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usb_connectors.JPG
Not a one there has a cut-away.
Nice thing about standards... there are so many of them.
Also, tried Google/Images for "micro usb" and all the various mini and micro usb cables I have. Not one of them has this propitiatory shape.
Have you got a link to something authoritative?
PS: Cooks? What's wrong with cooks? Do you mean crooks?
That is why I said yes and no. It is a propriatary connector that also allows for connection with microUSB. If you are familar with HTC devices many of their winmo devices had miniUSB Ext connectors which were propriatary but allowed for a regular miniusb connector to connect to it. That was before the microUSB standard was made.
Flyer Port
Plugged into the PC
Connected to standard microUSB
Charging status
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Devany said:
Thanks, but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usb_connectors.JPG
Not a one there has a cut-away.
Nice thing about standards... there are so many of them.
Also, tried Google/Images for "micro usb" and all the various mini and micro usb cables I have. Not one of them has this propitiatory shape.
Have you got a link to something authoritative?
PS: Cooks? What's wrong with cooks? Do you mean crooks?
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The micro-usb connector is the far left connector in your Wikidpedia link, the one you're holding / trying is the 3rd connector from the left which is a mini-usb.
Here are some pics with a generic sony ericsson mini-usb.
Sorry for the bad pics from my phone... and sorry for the duplicate pics... someone beat me to the upload.
f' I get it now.
Better get me some of these...
http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/level5/module.jsp?moduleId=cpc/548876.xml
Thanks
The port/connector is desined to stop you using the mains charger with other devices as it would "fry" them! This is why you can use a micoUSB connector with the Flyer.
Are you suggesting that if I used a micro to mini converter that I could fry the Flyer?
My issue is that I have several (proper, branded) HTC car chargers which have mini-usb connectors - which I used for the X7500/Athena.
A converter would mean I don't have to replace these chargers.
But the voltages would be the same, wouldn't they? USB current/voltages don't change depending on the cable... do they?
Hi
To buy a charger wouldn't cost much, but I use my gf blackberry charger on my dhd I thought it was battery that drew the charge.....
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The Flyer white mains adaptor is designed to stop you using it with another device. But you can use a standard micro usb with the Flyer port. I hope this is clear.
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Devany said:
Are you suggesting that if I used a micro to mini converter that I could fry the Flyer?
My issue is that I have several (proper, branded) HTC car chargers which have mini-usb connectors - which I used for the X7500/Athena.
A converter would mean I don't have to replace these chargers.
But the voltages would be the same, wouldn't they? USB current/voltages don't change depending on the cable... do they?
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You can use normal chargers on the Flyer, it'll just be slower. That's why their power adapter is different and much more potent for faster charging. And as Jah says, if you were to use the Flyer's charger with a phone it would most likely fry it as the phone isn't designed to handle those power levels (ergo the different plug, making it impossible to connect the flyer's adapter to another, incompatible, device).
The flyer has 12pin micro usb not 5pin to be used for hdmi output same like the in the htc incredible and htc sensation
Meh...I've tried three different micro-USB cables including an HTC variant from my Mozart, and although they sort of fit, none seem to go in far enough to charge or sync. Weird.
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Need to get this sorted ASAP.
The reason the Flyer has a 'Unique' micro-USB socket is that the charger is 1.5 AMPS. (And is a HDMI output)
This provides enough current for heavy use and charge at the same time.
Do not expect a standard micro-USB to charge your Flyer if you are using it, it will infact drain the battery!
A standard micro-USB cable will charge your Flyer if it is connected to a minimum 1Amp plug charger overnight and the Flyer is not in use.
Do not expect a Flyer to charge from a 500mA PCLaptop USB socket whilst you are using it!
Remember guys, this is much bigger than a mobile phone and even some of them would not correctly charge from a PC/Laptop USB.
Use your mains charger to charge it every night (or as much as possible) to keep it from going below 20%.
Do not expect it to charge from the sync cable (until we get 3rd party dual usb source cables as for some DVD writer drives).
THEN you will keep the life in your battery.
Soz for the bold font but wanted to get the message across.
twisticles said:
Meh...I've tried three different micro-USB cables including an HTC variant from my Mozart, and although they sort of fit, none seem to go in far enough to charge or sync. Weird.
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I've tried 3 or 4 different Micro-USB sync cables or chargers, and every one works. They plug in "upside-down" from how the plug goes into most Micro-USB devices that I am familiar with. Meaning, the spring-loaded prongs/teeth on the male plug should be facing down (if your Flyer is on a table, screen up), and you insert the male end in the lower "half" of the Flyer's port. Both sync and charge work.
A generic micro-usb will power and charge the Flyer. I use my laptop while traveling to accomplish this. When its charging, I'm usually not using it... I'm asleep.
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They plug in "upside-down" from how the plug goes into most Micro-USB devices that I am familiar with.
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ah...oops
twisticles said:
ah...oops
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Don't feel bad. I was making the same mistake, and don't know if I would have even figured it out, if I hadn't come on here and read about it. I didn't want to force it, or do anything that might damage the port, so I don't know if I would have thought to turn it upside-down on my own.
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Hi I lost my G1 cable and I wanted to know if I could use a regular mini USB to update my G1 without having issues?
Yes, you can.
Make sure the miniusb cable you are using has a ferrite core/bead on it. Some folks with poorly shielded computer innards have experienced data corruption on cables without ferrites. If your miniusb cable doesn't have one, look around the house for a computer cable with a core that you can remove.
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You can remove those things? I thought they were attached to the wire. I've just been using random junky usb cables with no beads on 'em and I haven't had any problems. I just checked the cord that came with the G1 and that doesn't even have a bead on it.
yeah hes saying, some people, so more often than not you dont need one, its for people who like to be extra safe especially if they end up bricking the device from corrupted data.
one thing that i have heard is that adb will not work if you are using a regular cable, there are a few extra wires and connectors in the usb cable for the G1, it is also a different shape than that of a regular mini usb connector. but for daily use, or just moviing files you shouldn't have any problems
Err, I have several mini USB's, I usually randomly grab one when I work with my G1, I have never had a problem with using ABD or any other type of problem. Also, I'm 99% positive the stock USB cable is no different then any other cable.
Wisefire said:
Also, I'm 99% positive the stock USB cable is no different then any other cable.
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and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
tubaking182 said:
and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
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Yes, The input is strange, The HTC Shadow is the exact same way. Do realize, the stock USB's "Head", the metal pin, is not the perfect match for the slot on the Dream, it's a basic mini USB. Although, The included stock headphone/ear piece's connector, does in fact fit the input in the exact manor.
I think it's just the "head shape" that is different. I hvn't had any problems with other USBs.
Yes, currently I am using a Blackberry USB cable, and ADB and all functions work properly. In the past, I've used the original G1 cable, one for a Canon digital camera and one for an HTC Vogue, ADB works for all of them. Most of all, USB stands for Universal Serial Bus.. so I assume they are all the same.
tubaking182 said:
and i am 100% positive it is different from 99% of other mini USB cables. look at the input for the cable on your g1 and compare it to the mini USB port on anything else you have laying around your house and you will notice there is a difference
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It's an ExtUSB port, which is a HTC variant of the mini usb plug that has additional pins for audio. However the usb data lines are physically and electrically identical to standard usb, so for all intents and purposes unless you are using a special ExtUSB headset, it is plain mini usb. The supplied cable is a standard mini usb, so any other mini usb cable will work. Do heed my earlier warning to use a cable with a ferrite though.
I have about 30 different mini usb cables sitting around the house and i have probably used all of them once to or twice well doing playing with my HTC devices
Actually, that ferrite theory might explain things for me... I am experiencing some strange behavior when I use cables without the ferrite bead - the G1 will act as it's charging, but I don't get the "mount" option, i.e. it doesn't detect that it's actually connected to my computer. This happens both when directly connected to the computer USB port, and via a USB hub. I'm pretty sure that when I use a cable with the ferrite bead it also detects the computer and I'm able to data mount it.
Also, when using a cable without the bead, I have noticed that although the G1 says it's charging, it either doesn't or it charges really, really slowly, cause I could check by pressing power or menu once that it says charging - 76%, then turn off the display, then check again like half an hour later and it's still at 76%.
So I would actually say yes: the USB cable matters big time.
But of course, this is all based on my personal experience.
~Christopher
i plugged up an old desktop to retrieve some stuff the other day and realized that it didn't have usb2.0 and would not let the phone stay mounted. so just a caution if thats an issue.
grenness said:
Actually, that ferrite theory might explain things for me... I am experiencing some strange behavior when I use cables without the ferrite bead - the G1 will act as it's charging, but I don't get the "mount" option, i.e. it doesn't detect that it's actually connected to my computer. This happens both when directly connected to the computer USB port, and via a USB hub. I'm pretty sure that when I use a cable with the ferrite bead it also detects the computer and I'm able to data mount it.
Also, when using a cable without the bead, I have noticed that although the G1 says it's charging, it either doesn't or it charges really, really slowly, cause I could check by pressing power or menu once that it says charging - 76%, then turn off the display, then check again like half an hour later and it's still at 76%.
So I would actually say yes: the USB cable matters big time.
But of course, this is all based on my personal experience.
~Christopher
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strange, that's a similar thing that happens when not using enough voltage (the battery issue). I have a homemade battery powered usb charger, but it's only 4.5v as opposed to 5v. This causes strange issues with my g1 and my girlfriends. do you have lots of things drawing power (LED lights, lit up SATA cables, tons of usb stuff etc) because that can cause instability with your computer and sometimes undervolting usb things.
Ferrite beads more have to do with interference which doesnt seem like issue. Although i'd certainly use a cable with a ferrite bead when flashing or issuing commands via adb, flashboot etc.
Hello,
one dealer said to me that You can use usb 2 mini port for transfer data and charger for HTC Touch pro 2
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I use that and no problem occurred.HTC cable have 2 side for connection and send or receive or power supply,but usb 2 mini have one side only.
can I use this cable without problem and damaging device?
Yes -- I've been doing that for years.
If the plug end physically fits, it will work fine. I've tried a couple mini USB cables that didn't fit, due to the way the HTC Ext-USB port is shaped straight on one side, like you mentioned.
CORRECTION: I think I just wasn't pushing the connector in hard enough. I have a couple mini-USB cables that came with various devices (a multi-card reader and a digital camera), and they take a little more effort to push the connector into the port on the phone. I didn't realize this at first, since I was afraid to damage the pins in the port. But they fit fine (just take a bit more effort than the OEM cable), and both transmit data and charge the phone properly.
I connect usb2 Cable and trasnfered data successfully.
but when I try to charge with usb 2 cable,device dont charge and only charge led be turn on.any body charge with usb cable?
Charging via USB is at a much lower rate. It can take 3-5 times longer to charge the phone that way.
I've only ever used the USB2 to transfer data/charge my phone since I had my Wing which was a good 3-4 years ago lol.
Hello everybody,
i have tried to use the mini usb with my TP2 and only works for charging.
when conect it to pc, it just start to charging, i have installed active sync but pc doest detect device,
Any advice?
parras said:
Hello everybody,
i have tried to use the mini usb with my TP2 and only works for charging.
when conect it to pc, it just start to charging, i have installed active sync but pc doest detect device,
Any advice?
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Go to Settings>System>Power, and make sure the option is unchecked: "When phone is on, do not charge when connected to PC".
Ok, tank you redpoint73, i have unchecked this option.
i just ordered the original data cable, which is supposed to have 11 pins,
I dont see how a standard mini usb with 4 pins can do the job of the 11 pins
Any USB-mini cable should work for data transfer and charging. There should have been one included with your phone, and it should have come with a wall charger as well.
There are retractable cables you can use. I purchased several from here:
http://www.itrimming.com/pcabusbx0007.html
They are a little delicate though. If you're rough with it, the end of the cable closest to the plug will fray. The site also has some great universal USB car chargers.
parras said:
Hello everybody,
i have tried to use the mini usb with my TP2 and only works for charging.
when conect it to pc, it just start to charging, i have installed active sync but pc doest detect device,
Any advice?
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If you had to install Active Sync I assume your on Windows XP. Make sure you have installed the htc drivers.
parras said:
Ok, tank you redpoint73, i have unchecked this option.
i just ordered the original data cable, which is supposed to have 11 pins,
I dont see how a standard mini usb with 4 pins can do the job of the 11 pins
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It doesn't do the same job, the extra pins are for composite video output, left, right and ground for audio, microphone, and possibly FM antenna. Four pins of the standard USB cable are all that is required for data transfer, even though it (USB) has five pins on the phone end.
You may have, as I did a failed USB interface. Check the phone on another computer to be sure it is not an issue with the computer and/or its software. All you have to do is verify the computer senses the phone, you don't need to sync them.
Two quick things...
I have one USB cable for a card reader that does not work for WMDC/disk mode, but charges the phone just fine. It works with the card reader OK, but no data on the phone basically. If you have problems with one cable, unless it is known to work on other WinMo/HTC devices, I'd definitely not always assume the phone is at fault until you've tried a different lead.
I've heard a lot of people say that charging via USB is a lot slower than via an AC mains charger. However, using SpoonCharge, the mA figures look the same for me on my phone - charging via mains charger never goes above "medium". This holds true with the original AC charger my UK (new, sealed and boxed) TP2 came with, as well as a TyTn II, Hurricane and Typhoon charger, and a non-HTC MP4 player charger - nothing goes above medium.
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Two quick things...
I have one USB cable for a card reader that does not work for WMDC/disk mode, but charges the phone just fine. It works with the card reader OK, but no data on the phone basically. If you have problems with one cable, unless it is known to work on other WinMo/HTC devices, I'd definitely not always assume the phone is at fault until you've tried a different lead.
I've heard a lot of people say that charging via USB is a lot slower than via an AC mains charger. However, using SpoonCharge, the mA figures look the same for me on my phone - charging via mains charger never goes above "medium". This holds true with the original AC charger my UK (new, sealed and boxed) TP2 came with, as well as a TyTn II, Hurricane and Typhoon charger, and a non-HTC MP4 player charger - nothing goes above medium.
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I have measured the current used to charge.
There are a few things.
1) Most PC USB ports are limited to 500ma., that is the standard. Try to pull more, and they usually do an auto shutdown or some form of limiting.
2) Any plain USB cable, or the factory HTC cable when on a PC port, leaves a charge rate pin floating. With that pin floating, the HTC device charges at a max of 500ma. Again, this is by design to not overload the PC port.
3) The factory charger, pulls one of the extra USB pins down. That tells the device that it can charge at up to 1000ma., twice as fast.
4) So, if you plug into an official charger versus a USB port, the charge rate is about double. BUT, you need to factor in the processor activity. If the PC USB is keeping the phone active, then the charge will take even longer.
I use my HTC on my motorcycle as a GPS. I have built a charger on the motorcycle and have used a switch in that 'fast charge' control line to lower the charge rate, or raise the charge rate. (long story, the phone and my regulator gets hot).
I have a pinout somewhere. A Google serach will find it.
Upgraded my wife to a Rezound that came in yesterday. What the heck is up with the proprietary cable?
I thought we'd all moved past this nonsense. I had a standard Micro-USB cable with my Dinc2 that worked JUST FINE.
And before you all feel the need to tell me, yes I KNOW that a standard Micro-USB cable will still charge the Rezound, but why make the included cable different then?
Sorry for the rant. Carry on...
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Upgraded my wife to a Rezound that came in yesterday. What the heck is up with the proprietary cable?
I thought we'd all moved past this nonsense. I had a standard Micro-USB cable with my Dinc2 that worked JUST FINE.
And before you all feel the need to tell me, yes I KNOW that a standard Micro-USB cable will still charge the Rezound, but why make the included cable different then?
Sorry for the rant. Carry on...
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Stupid rant. Its called an EXT-micro usb. It is EXACTLY the same to use your old cables, these are just more secure and keep dumbasses from forcing the plugs in upside down.
yeah man, it's def a more secure lock than the standard micro usb i believe. fits a lot more snug; maybe now we won't be seeing the problems we saw iwth the Inc 2, which was all of the usb charge ports coming lose on the board and having to be replaced!!
No, its a totally legit rant. This is my first micro-usb phone, and as such, the provided cable is the only one in the house. Most of my friends and my wife have micro-usb phones and none of them can use my cable in a pinch. HTC did the same thing with my TP2 and its mini ext port, and it was an annoyance more often than you would expect.
This "policy" only screws owners with a unitasker cable (alton brown anyone??), while providing no noticeable benefit (making sure its plugged in correctly? really? This cable doesnt make it easier to plug in blindly, and if you have to look at it to plug it in anyway, then regular micro-usb cables shouldn't be any problem...). I'm right there with ya, Bust
edit: I suppose a more stable connection, due to it being bigger than a standard micro port is a valid argument, but I havent had any problems with the standard micro cables that I've tried.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the advantages of the ext USB that it can also carry audio? I think this is what allows the MHL and hdmi adapters to work, as well as the car docks that you just set the phone in to charge and play audio. And since it is backward compatible, there seems to be no disadvantage to using the newer port.
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It's a stupid rant because a standard HTC micro USB cable is like 4 bucks shipped. If you have so many issues with it, buy the four dollar one. I prefer my the ext micro USB, the standard micro USB on my OG Droid sucked, always felt like I was going to break the damn thing.
Seriously, it's four bucks.
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Seriously, it's four bucks.
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I dont think anyone is complaining about the cost of extra cables, just the fact that the cable cant be used for anything else. I'd be picking up extra cables anyway. In my experience with the mini-ext, I loved the fact that I could use one of the 20 mini cables I had lying around. Seriously...cameras, mp3 players, mice, GPSs...everything had a cable that would charge my phone. The fact that the cable provided by HTC could only be used for one device just seemed silly to me. Its not a big deal, which may be a requirement of yours for rants to be considered valid, but it is a legit gripe...IMO.
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Upgraded my wife to a Rezound that came in yesterday. What the heck is up with the proprietary cable?
I thought we'd all moved past this nonsense. I had a standard Micro-USB cable with my Dinc2 that worked JUST FINE.
And before you all feel the need to tell me, yes I KNOW that a standard Micro-USB cable will still charge the Rezound, but why make the included cable different then?
Sorry for the rant. Carry on...
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They did it just to piss you off .
Its a new standard... micro USB had similar rants about it... (just like any new standard) "I can't use my reguar USB cables with it, regular USB was fine blah blah" just like any new standard connection it takes people a while to catch up.
The complaint about single use cable... HDMI is single use yet no one complains about it.
This cable is a new standard that combines USB with a media (HDMI) connection. This allows us to have only one connection port on our devices rather than two. Which brings up the point that other phones had special one off connections for HDMI that required an adapter, and it took up extra room on the device.
Micro USB was pretty much the standard for phones for at least the past year and a half, (not just smart phones either) and all those cords are compatible with this new standard.
At least this is a new standard and not some HTC only crap.
I ordered my Rezound online. What pissed me off was .... I get my new phone and suddenly I can not charge the dam thing in my car because the plug is different than my Touch Pro 2 / old Motorola Q9 handset usb cord. Then I had to run up to the dumb VZW store and pay $32 for a proprietary car charger . Man, what a rip.
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I suppose in 2 years they will change it again and suddenly we all will have to buy that new $45 Nano-USB cord/adaptor. :s
You people do realize the normal micro USB cables fit in the Rezound right ?
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You people do realize the normal micro USB cables fit in the Rezound right ?
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Yeah from all the other posts I believe they do. I know I do and use them all over the place (work, car, bedroom, family room, etc.). I like the fact the new one snaps in and would love to get a couple more.
THE-COPS said:
I ordered my Rezound online. What pissed me off was .... I get my new phone and suddenly I can not charge the dam thing in my car because the plug is different than my Touch Pro 2 / old Motorola Q9 handset usb cord. Then I had to run up to the dumb VZW store and pay $32 for a proprietary car charger . Man, what a rip.
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I suppose in 2 years they will change it again and suddenly we all will have to buy that new $45 Nano-USB cord/adaptor. :s
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umm, you can get some standard micro usb cords. The tp2 and q9 handsets are quite old and use mini-usb's which haven't been the standard in about 2 years. you can also buy mini to micro usb adapters that plug into the mini usb and make it a micro usb. Cost me 5bucks a piece on amazon...
Or you could complain about not doing your homework before you bought the phone. Yeah, lets do that instead...
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Mini...4GOQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324036647&sr=8-2
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NilsP said:
Yeah from all the other posts I believe they do. I know I do and use them all over the place (work, car, bedroom, family room, etc.). I like the fact the new one snaps in and would love to get a couple more.
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I would stick to the higher quality micro usb cords, like the ones that have come with other htc phones. Those have worked fine for me, but a split micro usb cord I use at work to charge my bolt and my hotspot caused my phone to overheat.
Not My Problem Other People Can't Use My Cable. It Would Be Nice And Generous As I Like To Be; I Can't Please Everyone.
Also Think Back Before The Micro-USB Almost Every Phone Has A Different Cable For Charging.
Marine6680 said:
This cable is a new standard that combines USB with a media (HDMI) connection. This allows us to have only one connection port on our devices rather than two. Which brings up the point that other phones had special one off connections for HDMI that required an adapter, and it took up extra room on the device.
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If this is true, I'll take back everything I said. Link?
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If this is true, I'll take back everything I said. Link?
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OK two things...
First, this is NOT ExtUSB. ExtUSB was what the older HTC devices had. It was compatible with the mini-USB. It combined mini-USB with audio out connections. (11 pin VS the standard 5, while normal USB was 4)
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That is the ExtUSB, it is shaped like the mini-USB but with only one bottom corner tapered.
Here is a picture of other styles as comparison. The type most used with mobile devices was mini-B, the new standard for phones is micro-B
Second, the Rezound uses MHL, it is compatible with both variants of microUSB cables.
Wikipedia page about MHL
Oh, and this too...
Um the cable fits my old incredible just turn it around stays in good as well.
sent from my new Rezound
jcdrummr said:
No, its a totally legit rant. This is my first micro-usb phone, and as such, the provided cable is the only one in the house. Most of my friends and my wife have micro-usb phones and none of them can use my cable in a pinch. HTC did the same thing with my TP2 and its mini ext port, and it was an annoyance more often than you would expect.
This "policy" only screws owners with a unitasker cable (alton brown anyone??), while providing no noticeable benefit (making sure its plugged in correctly? really? This cable doesnt make it easier to plug in blindly, and if you have to look at it to plug it in anyway, then regular micro-usb cables shouldn't be any problem...). I'm right there with ya, Bust
edit: I suppose a more stable connection, due to it being bigger than a standard micro port is a valid argument, but I havent had any problems with the standard micro cables that I've tried.
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I don't know about you but I have numerous mico-USB cables sitting around from my older phones.
Marine6680 said:
OK two things...
First, this is NOT ExtUSB. ExtUSB was what the older HTC devices had. It was compatible with the mini-USB. It combined mini-USB with audio out connections. (11 pin VS the standard 5, while normal USB was 4)
That is the ExtUSB, it is shaped like the mini-USB but with only one bottom corner tapered.
Here is a picture of other styles as comparison. The type most used with mobile devices was mini-B, the new standard for phones is micro-B
Second, the Rezound uses MHL, it is compatible with both variants of microUSB cables.
Wikipedia page about MHL
Oh, and this too...
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It is an extMICRO usb, not an ext usb. Next time read a little better before trying to disprove something that was not even stated.
brockeverly said:
It is an extMICRO usb, not an ext usb. Next time read a little better before trying to disprove something that was not even stated.
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The only device I heard of using extmicro is the flyer. Looking in our devices port it seems to be just 5 pins. I believe extmicro is 12 pin. I have a MHL adapter and I use a standard 5 pin micro usb cable with it and it works fine. It passes audio and video over the cable.
Hello all,
I have the following problem: The USB connector side of the standard charger cable for my TF101G is damaged beyond repair. The wall wart is fine.
In my naivity I bought the standard USB adapter (namely this: http://www.amazon.com/Transformer-T...INXQ/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1336838294&sr=8-6 ) believing that a "standard" USB Type A male -- male cable to connect the adapter to the wall wart will do the trick.
After finding it doesn't I browsed (quickly...) this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1087321 . It seems that the adapter is using some different wiring...
I tried this with both USB 2.0 and USB 3.0 (male - male) cable between the wall wart and the USB adapter to no avail.
Question is simple: Can I use the adapter I bought -- via some easy modding of the USB cables if needed -- to charge the tablet (and keyboard) ? Or I simply need to buy another charger ?
Thanks,
Florian
No, the pins used for charging is not in use on the adapter.
You can quite easily fix your cable though, if the 40-pin connector is still intact. Its just 4 (ok, 5 actually) wires.
If its only part of the cable thats broken, you can just cut the cable and then cut a USB3 cable and solder them together. red to red, black to black, white to white etc... the 2nd red wire is supposed to be attached to pin7 of the usb3 cable. I dont know the color of that though.
The wall wart outputs 15 VDC @ 1.2 Amps when the TF is detected. If not, it will output the standard USB 5 VDC @ 2.0 Amps. Any voltage less than 11 VDC will not show the tablet charging.
A USB port (5 VDC @ 0.5 Amps) will charge with the screen off at a rate of 3% per hour.
An iPad charger (5 VDC @ 2.0 Amps) will charge with the screen off at a rate of 10% per hour.
If you are looking for a charger, it will have to output between 12 and 16 VDC across pin 1 and 4 of a USB connector.
You can make your own, or try to find one. Dynex makes one, or you can check some stores. ASUS sells them online, as do some other vendors. Depending on where you are located some users may be able to help you find one.
There is plenty of info on the forum on DIY chargers and such. Here is one thread:
So you can only trickle charge without ASUS charger?
or you can just build your own pc usb charger (see link in my sig)
Thats my charger just went tits up aswell. 3 days of gtee left! Tried freezer but no joy. Looks like its outputing something by the indicator on the tf itself but % still drops, dock indicator light doesnt come on.
Cables ok as pc installed drivers etc when connected.
scottyf79 said:
Thats my charger just went tits up aswell. 3 days of gtee left! Tried freezer but no joy. Looks like its outputing something by the indicator on the tf itself but % still drops, dock indicator light doesnt come on.
Cables ok as pc installed drivers etc when connected.
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Sounds like mine... it refuses to send 15v anymore, it only sends 5v.
Im going to rip mine apart, when I get some free time, and see if bridging the connections will help kick it into 15v mode again.
Goatshocker said:
No, the pins used for charging is not in use on the adapter.
You can quite easily fix your cable though, if the 40-pin connector is still intact. Its just 4 (ok, 5 actually) wires.
If its only part of the cable thats broken, you can just cut the cable and then cut a USB3 cable and solder them together. red to red, black to black, white to white etc... the 2nd red wire is supposed to be attached to pin7 of the usb3 cable. I dont know the color of that though.
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Welll...Tbh I'm not so sure I want to take the knife to an USB 3.0 cable....
If you look at the attached pics of the (damaged) connector you'll see the Red & Orange cable (still) soldered to Pin 1, the Shielding was (seemingly) connected to Pin 4, while on the other side (the "top" of the connector -- see 2nd pic) i have the Yellow Wire... well, not sure where ...Shielding ? Also, unclear where this yellow wire goes..
Anyway. My "problem" is that
1) Bought the USB adapter in vein (stupid, $45 mistake). Anyway, lesson learned.
2) I still isn't clear to me on what wire has to go where on the USB 3.0 side and I don't really want to take risks in frying any part (the tablet or the wall wart...)
Thanks anyway. Still looking for alternatives / safe way to reconnect this...
Florian
scottyf79 said:
Thats my charger just went tits up aswell. 3 days of gtee left! Tried freezer but no joy. Looks like its outputing something by the indicator on the tf itself but % still drops, dock indicator light doesnt come on.
Cables ok as pc installed drivers etc when connected.
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Not to throw a wrench in the works here, but I have a cable that installs drivers and functions just fine when connected to computer, but will not charge from either of the two wall adapters I own. Another cable I have will work with both adapters.
TF101 Megatron 1.0.4 Guevor test 17c
I bought one of these 2m cables from ebay and they work fine, you may find cheaper but this one does work and its longer that the original which is a bonus.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110837341306&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:GB:3160
Edit :- I also have a 3m USB3 cable which I can use as an extention to the existing cable (or the 2m one above) so I can sit quite a way from the plug socket without a problem.
Spot of luck.....Asus tf came in to my store to get sent back for repair. So my tf is now happily getting a charge from the borrowed adaptor until ups pick it up
My charger was picked up yesterday and is currently tracked to Germany. Just as a tip for anyone - rma your tf yourself! Don't take it to the retailer to do it......Asus are hopeless with the retailers and seem to think its OK just to string it along knowing the retailer will take the flack.
pyro254750 said:
Not to throw a wrench in the works here, but I have a cable that installs drivers and functions just fine when connected to computer, but will not charge from either of the two wall adapters I own. Another cable I have will work with both adapters.
TF101 Megatron 1.0.4 Guevor test 17c
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Spot on m8. It was the cable. Charger was returned back to me today. Really good service despite the bad rma experiences for others.
Does anyone know where you can get a us outlet snap on plug for the stock charger? I just traded for a tf101 and one of the prongs is broken..
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same problem
My kids did tear my cable and I have the white, yellow and green wires to reconnect. Is your sequence right? ?I mean is yellow connected to pin 7/15 volt contact?
Regards
FlorianO said:
Welll...Tbh I'm not so sure I want to take the knife to an USB 3.0 cable....
If you look at the attached pics of the (damaged) connector you'll see the Red & Orange cable (still) soldered to Pin 1, the Shielding was (seemingly) connected to Pin 4, while on the other side (the "top" of the connector -- see 2nd pic) i have the Yellow Wire... well, not sure where ...Shielding ? Also, unclear where this yellow wire goes..
Anyway. My "problem" is that
1) Bought the USB adapter in vein (stupid, $45 mistake). Anyway, lesson learned.
2) I still isn't clear to me on what wire has to go where on the USB 3.0 side and I don't really want to take risks in frying any part (the tablet or the wall wart...)
Thanks anyway. Still looking for alternatives / safe way to reconnect this...
Florian
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wiring diagram
I drawed a wiring diagram for usb cable.
*****thecenk.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/usb-3-0-data-charger-cable-for-asus-eeepad-tf101-tf201-sl201-wiring-diagram/***
thecenk said:
I drawed a wiring diagram for usb cable.
*****thecenk.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/usb-3-0-data-charger-cable-for-asus-eeepad-tf101-tf201-sl201-wiring-diagram/***
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I am looking for a Micro USB Charger cable that actually fits. I have numerous charger cables but the head on all the cables I have are a little too fat. The door that protects the port is constantly in the way. I have included a picture of it.
Anyone find some cheap cables that I can buy that mimic what I got with my tablet?
cbdudek said:
I am looking for a Micro USB Charger cable that actually fits. I have numerous charger cables but the head on all the cables I have are a little too fat. The door that protects the port is constantly in the way. I have included a picture of it.
Anyone find some cheap cables that I can buy that mimic what I got with my tablet?
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I've used a sharp knife to whittle away some of the plastic...
DaddyWhale said:
I've used a sharp knife to whittle away some of the plastic...
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I suppose that will work. If I have to go that route, I will.
cbdudek said:
I am looking for a Micro USB Charger cable that actually fits. I have numerous charger cables but the head on all the cables I have are a little too fat. The door that protects the port is constantly in the way. I have included a picture of it.
Anyone find some cheap cables that I can buy that mimic what I got with my tablet?
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I think you're unlucky. I've got a number of usb to micro usb leads that came with various phones (Galaxy S2, S3, Google nexus 4) and they all fit with no problem.
Where did you get all those chunky leads?
GretaLewd said:
I think you're unlucky. I've got a number of usb to micro usb leads that came with various phones (Galaxy S2, S3, Google nexus 4) and they all fit with no problem.
Where did you get all those chunky leads?
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One of them is a logitech. The other is just a generic cable. I will check out monoprice and a few others. I had a bunch of leftover cables and I may need to shop around to find one.
EDIT: Found a Monoprice one that fits. I believe that most from monoprice will fit easily. Going to order a couple.
The hats wrong with the one that came bundled with the tablet? No issues here.
I had tryout 4 USB cable, 3 out of it fit nicely. The only not fit is newer Samsung cable which too fat in general.
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parapaul said:
The hats wrong with the one that came bundled with the tablet? No issues here.
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The only issue I have with that charger is its too damned short. I am on the market for one longer than the one that came with it. Preferably one a bit longer than the Note 2 charger.
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shangrila500 said:
The only issue I have with that charger is its too damned short. I am on the market for one longer than the one that came with it. Preferably one a bit longer than the Note 2 charger.
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I never noticed, does the supplied USB cable fit perfectly?
I am using a kindle white cable and the sony supplid plug to charge my Tablet Z, but the cable end is about 1mm too wide. I too will be looking for another cable ideally 1.5 metres long, any ideas? (UK)
Does it matter what brand of cable you use to get the best charge, is the plug amperage the only important factor?
I also find the supplied micro usb cable to be way too short. Would a USB extension cable work?
aszeto81 said:
I also find the supplied micro usb cable to be way too short. Would a USB extension cable work?
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Yes. Maximum length for a USB 2.0 cable is 16 feet (5 meters); however, for reliability, I would not use a cable length over 10 feet (3 meters).
Aid777 said:
I never noticed, does the supplied USB cable fit perfectly?
I am using a kindle white cable and the sony supplid plug to charge my Tablet Z, but the cable end is about 1mm too wide. I too will be looking for another cable ideally 1.5 metres long, any ideas? (UK)
Does it matter what brand of cable you use to get the best charge, is the plug amperage the only important factor?
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The brand doesn't really matter so much as knowing it is a good quality cable, you don't want some el cheapo half-assed cable that burns your charging port up.
The stock charger fits perfectly as do my Note 2 and old Moto RAZR cords.
I've recently ordered some Fosmon cords that are 6 feet long and should be here in the next couple of days, hopefully they'll work with the XTZ. I'll post some feedback when I get a chance to test them.
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