Since all this new hype about the phone being rooted has been coming out. Theres on thing I've been concerned with since I've planned on getting the phone. Will we be able to use Setcpu once root is released, and if so can we immediately clock up to 1.5ghz? Is it in the coding already, or is this kernel just officially set at 1.2?
I figured someone might have an answer since they achieved root through the kernel and have poked around in there
We wont know till we all have root. But I highly doubt it, we will most likely need a custom kernel to enable overclocking. and having root doesnt give us kernel source code.
Bah! That's right, I've been so used to having everything available w/ the Evo 4G that I forgot about source code...
Any thoughts on the actual functionality of Setcpu though? Because I know for some phones/kernels Setcpu does not play well (or even at all sometimes) aka early times w/ Tegra 2's (even though their NAND and source coding were completely different)
I'd stay away from SetCPU for the time being, even if a future kernel supports overclocking. Our CPU has two cores with totally independent core clocks, so an app that is only designed to control a single clock wouldn't even know how to deal with our setup.
If I were you I'd try to let go of the old mindset of "faster, faster" and focus on getting rid of bloatware and generally streamlining the OS. This phone is already so fast that overclocking isn't going to accomplish anything except burn the battery faster and maybe return some slightly higher benchmark scores, but you probably won't notice any improvement in speed, because how can you get any faster than "immediate"??
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because how can you get any faster than "immediate"??
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With the flux capacitor they just released of course, dont you read the development forum?
But good point about all the other programs being made for 1 core OCing. We probably wont be able to use anything to overclock with until someone releases a version specifically for this phone.
I prefer to use these programs as a way of undervolting and limiting speed to get better battery life rather than overclocking for more speed.
Well until an optimized ROM and s-off was cracked I just wanted a little more oomph to get sense running a little smoother but I really have no complaints withthe phone. Just wish sense was a little smoother. (Yes twss)
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Well until an optimized ROM and s-off was cracked I just wanted a little more oomph to get sense running a little smoother but I really have no complaints withthe phone. Just wish sense was a little smoother. (Yes twss)
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Once we get custom roms without all the bloat I am sure sense will fly
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Once we get custom roms without all the bloat I am sure sense will fly
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I completely agree, because it ran decently well on the OG evo =)
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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Simple question really, is Froyo really worth it on the HTC Hero.
I mean what difference does it really make to are HTC Hero Phones, the main differences I know, is the ability to store apps to the SD card, which if you are rooted you can do anyway.
The ability to properly play flash files, which I don't think the HTC Hero will fully support due to hardware issues.
Meant to be faster. But using the 2.2 roms, we have, I did not notice any increase of speed and if anything, the speed gets much slower after using it a few days. (excluding Fusion rom).
On top of this, some apps wont support Froyo, you lose HTC sence/HTC apps, and there is keyboard problems.
What do you lot think?
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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From the moment I installed the first development build of FroydVillain, I am never going back to 2.1. It's honestly that good.
The main benefit is having JIT, which speeds up the ROM. We have seen scores of 5.3 mflops in linpack using Froyd1.1.1 with overclock.
Froyo is also the latest version, includes the stock browser with the V8 javascript engine etc. and has automatic market updates amongst other random stuff
Have a look at the new features of froyo, as I've never looked back yet
PS. camera doesn't work properly yet, but IMHO it's a decent compromise for the ROM that has given me the best battery life ever etc.
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I did have a very good look at all three Froyos ROMs and then I installed 2.1 again, Android 2.1 is so far 100% better for the HTC Hero, in my opinion.
I don't think I miss much by having to individually update the apps, especially since I don't like being the first to update apps as not all updates are for the best (E.G. Astro (now with adds))
Although the Rom is meant to be faster I found it a lot slower, even though I was using Set CPU, only Fusion Rom was decent (but as other roms still had reliability problems). With 2.1 everything is much faster.
I will probably try Android 2.2 again, but I will probably wait till there is a version with Sense as in my opinion Launcher pro (plus) is so inferior in comparison. Sense is a very important feature in my opinion.
Between Android 1.5 > 2.1 there was a big difference and it was worth updating, here no such difference exist, and the main attraction of 2.2 the ability to play proper flash does not work with the Hero.
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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Yeah, i'd agree. Wait another week or two, till the issues start to go, then look again
tbh i think it is good that the scene is moving towards 2.2.
sure things dont fully work atm and certain features wont be beneficial on the hero, but at least there are people working on it so that there is an option if it is needed/wanted.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
Just my opinion, but would it be fair to say that its still a bit early to be drawing comparisons?
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I just posted (on my two posts) on what we have available at the moment, and what we know about Android 2.2 in relation to flash, app2sd and automatic updates. No matter what rom comes out in the future these problems will persist.
I agree that all the roms we have are just beta-like versions, and that I am hopeful that the roms will be faster in due time. I even mentioned in my 2nd post that I will try Android 2.2 again once someone manages to incorporate HTC sense to it.
it is better that there are questions as to whether we need 2.2 on the hero, rather than endless questions of "when will 2.2 be ported".
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I 100% agree with you, and I fully appreciate all the work that developers make in order to develop these roms. But at this moment in time, I found that upgrading my phone to Android 2.2 felt more of a downgrade (excluding Fusion, to some extent).
To be honest ill be very surprised, if we ever get a good Froyo rom, which is as fast as the 2.1 roms and works properly with flash. But we will have to wait and see.
Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Hmmm. I see your concern about automatic updates, but they are optional, and need to be actively enabled in my experience.
EXT apps2sd is miles better than the included one, so I think it's a case of "better than original" for that.
Sense should come with time. No idea about flash tbh.
Froyd is looking to be a fair bit faster now
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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Any idea if we are talking about weeks, or months for Sense
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I can be even more specific. A few days after HTC does the first Sense Froyo ROM for Slide or Legend. But no idea how good these ROMs will be, as there will be porting needed.
Hey all,
I come from an extensive background in OC'ing my own systems, pushing them to the extreme for noticeable performance increases. The one thing I know though, is that it does add wear and tear on the components, and shortens their lifespan. Is overclocking the Vibrant really worth it? I'm not sure if, with a ROM like Axura 2.2.5.7 which is blazing fast already, an extra 100 or 200 mHz is really worth the risk/performance.
What do you all say?
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Hey all,
I come from an extensive background in OC'ing my own systems, pushing them to the extreme for noticeable performance increases. The one thing I know though, is that it does add wear and tear on the components, and shortens their lifespan. Is overclocking the Vibrant really worth it? I'm not sure if, with a ROM like Axura 2.2.5.7 which is blazing fast already, an extra 100 or 200 mHz is really worth the risk/performance.
What do you all say?
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the only reason i OC is basically just so i can tell myself that i am OCing. If that makes ANY sense. its basically just my phone OCD.
to answer your question, even though you kind of already answered it yourself: the only reason you would actually NEED to OC is if you game a lot on your phone, if you do a lot of multitasking, or if you have a lot of data transfering going on (which i do). other than that, our processor is pretty powerful, and can handle 95% of what is thrown at it.
With that said, since youve indicated that you are satisifed with your phones performance, i would say the only thing you should definately do is install a lagfix (if you havnt already). if you dont need to OC, do your battery/hardware a favor, and dont.....unless you have phone OCD like myself.
PS - not to ramble on, but there was actually a 2-day period where i actually wasnt OCed and i didnt know it (i guess my app reset itself or something). i remember saying to myself during that time that my phone phone seemed a little laggy and much slower than usual....then once i discovered that my OC wasnt applied, it made sense. but keep in mind, i have my phone doing a lotttttt of things constantly, so OCing may not have the effect on lighter users that it does on myself. pretty crazy what a .2 ghz difference makes
Like above stated, OC is only needed if you do some intensive task on your phone. In addition, most of the Overclocking Kernels are targeted at a broad audience, what I meant by that is the developer bumps up the voltage enough so that only a small amount of people experience crashes. However, user generally have no control over the voltage themselves and any increase in voltage is bad for electronic components. (exception being some of Eugene's kernels which allows UV by user).
I don't, its not needed. I like my battery life.
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I dont usually oc unless I am near a power source. last night i tried the Dow kernals and wow my phone was dead within ours even while in standby. Imo thats just nuts. Even while Oc'd it shouldnt die that way.
What I am looking for is a kernal thats compatible with nero v3 that will maintain battery life aslong as I dont oc.
I have seen this post http://eb-productions.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=samsungsgs&action=display&thread=28&page=1 on Eugenes forum but non of the info makes sense. The one that does make sense has a older modem than the one I am using.
I guess I am use to the hd2 in which I would underclock to maintain decent battery life and use profiles. It doesnt seem like this cpu likes the profiles. amirite?
I would OC no question if we could get a UV kernel with good battery life like we did with Eclair. I won't do it with Froyo because of the terrible battery on i9000 kernels.
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What TopShelf10 said is correct. Basically the trade off is this.... faster kernel.......quicker battery drain. That is the trade off. I have used oc kernels ...I do not use the phone for games, so EVERY thing I do on the phone the oc is not necessary. That statement is true for 95% of us.
BUT, that said, there is some cool macho feeling you get when your phone is in overdrive, just like my car, 350 hp but I live on an island that only allows 25mph speed limit...still, it doesn't change that feeling of awesomeness I get when I start the engine
I had nothing but issues with each and every OC ROM I tried. App alarm, pandora, slacker, ect. It was always something. My phone would actually get random freezes so it made the phone feel slower. Voodoo or OCLF on the other hand work wonders.
is it worth it?
well, here were the trades i had with dow14:
going from 13-14mflops to 18-19mflops in linpack (yeah, it's a benchmark, but it's hard to otherwise convey how the oc directly translated to the phone being extremely fast otherwise).
battery life went from easily going 22+ hours between charges to going 6-8 hours between charges.
however, with the core 1.2 oc i had great battery life and performance. so i assume (and have gathered from reading people more knowledgeable than me) the battery downside is due to it being a i9000 kernel. so hopefully/eventually we will get source for the vibrant 2.2 kernel and get an oc kernel with similar performance but much better battery life.
and until i flashed nero v3 and using voodoo, i kept super io and dow14 kernels on my phone so i could flash the oc if i wanted the performance or flash super io for battery life/day to day.
hey all, long time reader, first time poster. i have some questions in regards to overclocking your phone. whats the point? Im not trying to find the forum trolls, nor am I knocking the practice, im genuinely curious about the end result.
im a hardcore PC junkie, so im very familiar with the process, hell my desktop is currently overclocked by a 1ghz (AMD 965 BE @ 4.2ghz).
i have the HTC Evo 3d, best phone ive ever owned, and at first the idea of overclocking it was very interesting, but as i thought about it, the more it didnt make any sence. the phone already get warm when you start pushing it, especially when gaming, i can only imagine how hot it must get when you start upping the voltage to squeeze a extra couple hundred mhz out of it. also how much of a performance increase would you notice? the phone already, runs like butter in my opinion, i cant imagine a extra 100-200mhz would be noticable at all. it just seems like alot of work and risk for a almost a not noticable end result.
if im incorrect in any of my assumption, please correct me, lol even just saying that ive overclocked myr phone is awesome, im just looking for some valid reasons in favor of OCing
no one? lol i guess its not as widely done as i thought it was lol
I don't ever OC my phones for the simple reason that they are battery powered. But I understand why most people do it. Usually it is a good thing to have all the tools at your disposal for whenever you might need it. Most kernels that support OC are usually driven by apps such as SetCPU, which have options to have the CPU constantly OC'd or on-demand basis. If the user was to run a high demand app such as the video camera with a 1080p res, there be more processing power available for the app to accomplish whatever it needs in a less intensive manner.
that makes sense i suppose. having a quick launch app that allow on demand overclocking would be pretty cool. ill have to look into this a little bit further.. thx
The reason is simple - my phone is too slow.
I am using HTC Hero which is 2+ years old. The speed is so slow (528MHz), the machine lags even running the Dolphin browser. I recently root it and install a custom rom, overclock it to 6xx MHz. I feel my Hero has revived and I think it still can be used for a couple of months more.
So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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Don't bother using benchmarks to rate a phones performance that is a fatal error there. Benchmarks never effectively rate a phones performance. I just go by how smooth the phone runs and it does it run everything I throw at it. If so gg pz end of story.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Well whatever works for you. Just saying Quadrant is a poor tool to use to bench for many reasons which I won't go over. Antutu is nice for SD speed testing I think, oter than that meh. Benches are just for numbers for people to flex their epeens with. They just really don't truly gauge a devices performance.
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Benchmarks do have a some good uses... while comparing different phone models with benchmarks can be iffy, it can give an overall insight, (things like graphics capabilities with very GPU extensive games) but in the end user experience and daily use are the real judges.
Where benchmarks can be of the most use, is when comparing changes to the same phone model.
E.G. Comparing performance impacts of AOSP vs Sense, overclocking and under-clocking, and de-sensing/bloat removal.
When used for these reasons, you can get a really good feel for how changes are affecting your device overall. Even then, benchmarks are not the be all end all, and user experience is still important. As you may introduce lag or other performance issues that do not show up in benchmarks.
Which temp root method are you using? Mine isn't staying rooted long enough for me to justify using setCPU at all...
The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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The new version and the one that comes with the newest clean tool stays until reboot.
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Thx for the info, guess I must still be using the outdated method. I'll run the latest version of Scott's Clean tool and give it a shot.
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So I installed SetCPU today. Been testing the kernels ability to work underclocked at the max of 918mhz. Also set the scaling to conservative. After a days use it's been as good as normal full speed, 1512mhz
The battery lasted throughout the day, compared to my first two days of stock settings with only 6 hours of good use.
I'll keep playing. Still want to do some testing and benchmarks to make sure it's not under performing. But at least at the user level it seems to react the same.no lag.
I did confirm the clock speed out side of SetCPU using system panel.
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Please let us know what settings you use that work for you.
I generally stay temprooted unless I'm going to be away from a charger for a bit and need BT (since you can't turn BT back on after temproot). I wouldn't have SetCPU autostart on boot (since it won't ever be able to get root access immediately after boot).
Meanwhile, I also set it to conservative and will see what that accomplishes.
A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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This kernel apparently does work with SetCPU. I've confirmed using other cpu monitoring apps that the clock speed changes are capped.
I own 7 android phones, and have been rooting, overclocking, undervolting each and every single one of them (well one I still cant get rooted). I know when the cpu is under clocked and when it is not. Been doing these tweaks for 4 years now. If you use a tool like System Panel, at stock settings you can see the max cpu around 1500 on our little bad boy. When it peaks out the clock speed is shown. When you under clock it, then check again it won't go beyond the max cpu set in my testing I put a ceiling at 918mhz. System Panel reported full CPU usage (100%) at clock speed 918mhz. Typically with stock kernels, your absolutely right, changes to SetCPU do nothing at all to the real cpu. Which is confirmed, when I reboot and dont have root, if I attempt to use SetCPU and make the changes, System Panel reports 1500mhz (roughly) at full load regardless of what I set it to in SetCPU. If I did this to any of my other phones with stock kernels, you are correct it makes no difference as SystemPanel reports the stock max setting.
No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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A kernel needs to support setcpu, stock kernels do not. You need to flash a custom kernel, so you need a development phone or s-off.
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No I'm not being mean or aggressive, just saying. =-) And no don't believe me, but test it yourself and confirm or prove me wrong some other way and I admit error. Either way, half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should not do.
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Or I would say, "half the fun is messing with the phone and trying to get it to do things it should have always been allowed to do...." Just sayin'.
Are you using the profiles at all? Im interested to know what seems to be working out the best for you.
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True, but people still like to get the general idea. There are many factors.hence why I said the over all feel seems the same. Im going to use antutu, and quadrant. 5 times each to get a range.=-)
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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In my view, the "benchmarks" would be an OK measurement if you were comparing apples to apples.
I tried running both Linpack and Quadrant on the very recently and dearly departed Incredible right after a fresh reboot and having charged the battery overnight...when the thing should have been at it's freshest.
I got wildly different scores each time I ran it after a reboot...knowing that on both programs the scores would improve the more times you ran the test.
It didn't seem to me that either program was a reliable indicator of what my phone was capable of. I didn't even trust them to tell me whether something I'd done...cleared cache or deleted bloatware...had any real effect.
It simply boils down to how the phone feels. That's not scientific, but it works for me.
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Linpack and Quadrant are not reliable benchmarks. TBH I don't take any of the benchmarks seriously, they are more for entertainment for me. But to each their own right?
Yeah some of the benchmark apps are a bit unreliable to say the least...
If I use one, I try to use ones that Anandtech uses. I trust them to find the better benchmark tools.
Just wondering if anyone has done this with success. I have heard of speeds as high as 2GHz and was skeptical of this being safe. I figured it would cause some overheating issues. Also what is the best app for this? If this is done is there any noticeable differences in performance(most likely as this doubles the CPU power)? How much battery life lost? Is it worth it?
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Seriously, use the search or take a peek in the dev section. 1.6 GHz is no problem at the moment. Oh, and for me, it is worth it.
Check out vipercontrol mod in dev. Section. Allows overclock to either 1.5 or 1.6ghz. PRIME CAN EASILY HANDLE this as it was tested by Asus themselves on those speeds. It was seen in the source at first but we couldn't use it. NOW Viperboy made it possible to use those higher speeds. Its more of a mild to normal overclock. Its very easy to do. You will need to install vipercontrol mod to your prime and also terminal emulator. INSTRUCTIONS are in that thread.
WE have even found another method to run parallel to vipercontrol mod to allow overclocking of all 4 cores to 1.6Ghz. Vipercontrol, St the moment, doesn't do that by itself. JUST ALLOWS normal overclocking as Asus had it.
Seems kind of odd that ASUS backed off on the performance by 30% don't you think? Maybe they just wanted to do more testing, or maybe it was a last minute change based on their first prototypes.
Mine seems OK at 1.6, but I don't feel the need to overclock it in general use - unlike my phone which I think will have a shorter life as a device anyway.
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Seems kind of odd that ASUS backed off on the performance by 30% don't you think? Maybe they just wanted to do more testing, or maybe it was a last minute change based on their first prototypes.
Mine seems OK at 1.6, but I don't feel the need to overclock it in general use - unlike my phone which I think will have a shorter life as a device anyway.
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I think it was more about more money down the road. AS I'm sure you've heard of Lenovo tablet coming out months down the road. Its gonna use exact same tegra3 chip except with the 1.6ghz enabled on it.
THINK of it this way, why would Asus/Nvidia release its first quad core device already at 1.6ghz? Its already the most powerful tablet at its current state. They did this so down the line when newer tablets come out, it'll be more incentive to like the device or think it's more powerful if its clocked higher. If prime came out with 1.6ghz enabled already, then how would that look to consumers who buy tablets months later that have exact same speeds. PRIME would be the better value and those newer tablets wouldn't be all that appealing, As far as power goes. SO the newer manufacturers can have something to boast about. Like hey look at our device its clocked higher therefore more powerful. Another reason also they didn't enable it on the Prime was for battery life. At its current state, stock, prime gets excellent battery life no matter what mode you in really. HAVING 1.6ghz enabled, as I do now, drains the battery at least at the same rate as performance mode or more. PLusbif you add the extra boost to vipercontrol overclock using system tuner, then battery really drains alot faster. Because then I have all 4 cores running Max 1.6ghz at the same time. Viper control doesn't go that extreme, yet.
YOU ALSO have to remember Asus and Nvidia designed the Prime together. SO prime n tegra3 speeds are really a testing ground for future setups in future tablets. That's how we were already able to see the higher speeds a couple updates back but couldn't use them till vioerboy made it possible or you figured out how to do it with root and going into /system/etc and executing the cpu5.sh script.
I LOVE the overclock but find myself now going to stock speeds to see how they compare. STOCK speeds are really good, especially with ICS. EVERYthing is smooth n superfast.. Overclocking does make it even faster but the tradeoff is slightly faster battery drain. PLUS there's nothing out now that stock prime really can't handle. SO no real use for needing to overclock, yet. UNLESS you just want your device to be the fastest it can be. I keep switching now. Lol. Ill have it on stock speeds n as soon as I see a mention of overclock. It compels me to do it. N vs. Versa. ACTUALLY. Even with vioerboy overclock, battery life is still good. Just not as good as it would be on stock configuration. Now once bootloader unlocked, we will see overclocking paired with undervolting. So we can get Max speed and Max battery life. Or at least get the overclock to get same battery life or better as stock configuration. DONT be surprised if you see us hitting 2Ghz overclock soon. Its coming. Then if paired with system tuner, we could have all 4 cores running @ 2Ghz a piece all at the same time. unbelievable!