So I really want a Android 3.x Tab. and I really don't want an iPad 1 or 2. So since the Galaxy Tab 10.1 16GB is $499 and got a good review and thought it would be great!
So....
Should I go pick one up or should i wait?
Way I see it it's a good buy if you want something now...
There are things that I know are coming but are probably not until early to mid next year and these are...
300+ DPI screen (much brighter and more battery efficient too!)
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Quad Cores with a decent GPU included (Tegra 2 GPU is meh)
I love the slim and lightness of the 10.1
I wont get another tablet until it has those features and is equally as light and thin and I know there wont be anything coming out this year that ticks all those boxes.
Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
It's a great tab but Samsung can be pretty sluggish with bringing out updates and imho they've messed up with the 10.1/10.1v/GoogleIO 10.1 model confusion and appear to be more interested in generating promotional materials than supporting their user base.
The Samsung app suite has little or no publicly listed support for the 10.1 range - even though they have the apps on the devices (take a look at samsung apps, samsung drive, etc for an example of what devices they support).
I love my Samsung 10.1v - but if was buying again for the first time - I'd consider the Asus Transformer a little more. They've been a bit more proactive with pushing out updates.
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Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I'm hoping the Touchwiz skin really is only skin deep and that we can switch back to stock Honeycomb without issues. I wouldn't be surprised if Google is twisting the manufacturer's arm to make this be the case.
TouchWiz isn't just a launcher - it's pretty pervasive.
It looks like at least some TouchWiz components will be needed just to get updates. Currently you need a Samsung account (part of the suite of apk's installed with TouchWiz) to update the firmware.
Not that TouchWiz is all bad. Once you remove many of the widgets from the Homescreens - it's fairly pleasant to use.
The most important aspect needed is restyling the theme & some perf enhancements then I think most people will be happy.
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I thought the Xoom was the only Google Experience Tablet? If Samsung pushes out Touchwiz doesn't that change the GT10.1 from the standard software?
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I suppose so... That still doesn't change that 2000 devopers got 10.1 tabs though haha
LevitateJay said:
There are things that I know are coming but are probably not until early to mid next year and these are...
300+ DPI screen (much brighter and more battery efficient too!)
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Quad Cores with a decent GPU included (Tegra 2 GPU is meh)
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FWIW, Tegra 3 is due out later this year, though I expect you are right that they probably won't be as thin/light as the Galaxy. Motorola and Asus are among the first ones due out with Tegra 3 tablets, and at least in the case of the Asus, I expect the form factor will be similar to the current device, since compatibility with the existing dock is expected.
Also Galaxy Tab is unlocked and was the official Google dev tablet so you know you're going to get good support here on XDA
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The initial ones were unlocked, but it appears that newer ones are starting to show up locked. Personally, I wouldn't expect better "XDA support" on the Galaxy vs. others.
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I suppose so... That still doesn't change that 2000 devopers got 10.1 tabs though haha
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True but keep in mind they were given out by Samsung not by Google.
The only thing I don't like about the 10.1 (and pretty much every other honeycomb tablet) is that they're all Tegra 2 and frankly... it stinks. It can't do 720p playback very well and the GPU "acceleration" is still quite choppy. I'm not sure why Samsung didn't just stick their Exynos into the tab but I suppose the drivers just aren't available in Honeycomb. It's a bit strange having a phone that's WAY more powerful even underclocked at 500mhz my Galaxy S2 still records and plays back 1080p fine. I can dump 1080p MKV files from my computer with no formatting onto the phone and it plays them back flawlessly while the tablet can't even play back 720p MKV's without problems.
The main thing that I want to use the tablet for is browsing on a bigger screen... which is alright but the browser is just not as smooth as "other" fruit flavored tablets. Also when not in landscape mode the thing just gets even more choppier. It feels like I'm beta testing Honeycomb for them...
I was also looking at the ASUS Eee Pad Transformer.
I have an ASUS Laptop and wondered how good the quality of the Eee pad is if anyone knows.
I returned mine. So for me, I'm going to wait. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 was pretty nice piece of hardware. Most of my complaints were with Android 3 though. I just don't think it's ready for primetime. I had way too much frustrating issues with it and too many app crashes.
For the $600 I spent on the 32GB model, I wanted something with more polished software. My $200 Nook Color performed better with Android 2.3 (CM7).
I'm going to wait for tablets with Android 4 to launch, and preferably something without a Tegra 2 processor.
Samsung makes a crazy number of phones, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have a new thin tablet later this year for Android 4 also.
Not sure where everyone's beef with Tegra 2 is coming from. From a raw processing power standpoint, the Tegra 2 is better than Exynos and only falls behind the newer OMAP 4.
Is everyone here running the 720p videos from the device? If so, what are the files encoded by? I want to try and see if I have the same results. I stream all kinds of videos through DLNA to my Tab 10.1 and I've only noticed choppy playback on some high definition AVI files - never really took the time to troubleshoot the issue.
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Not sure where everyone's beef with Tegra 2 is coming from. From a raw processing power standpoint, the Tegra 2 is better than Exynos and only falls behind the newer OMAP 4.
Is everyone here running the 720p videos from the device? If so, what are the files encoded by? I want to try and see if I have the same results. I stream all kinds of videos through DLNA to my Tab 10.1 and I've only noticed choppy playback on some high definition AVI files - never really took the time to troubleshoot the issue.
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Isn't part of the Tegra 2's problem it's lack of Advanced SIMD that everyone else seems to have?
The new TI OMAP 4 1.5GHz dual core and Nvidia Tegra 3 1.?GHz quad core both coming in Q3 got to be big performance improvements over the Tegra 2 that came out Q4 last year (feels older than that).
I'm quite confident that Samsung's TouchWiz will come with a much faster way of playing back videos. This was the case with the stock Galaxy S series of phones. They are all still the most capable phones of playing back DivX etc when running TouchWiz...
My guess is mid next year Samsung will release a equally thin and light tablet with their latest 300+ dpi screens and a quad core processor that will handle everything that honeycomb offers without a stutter... Can't wait for it... Until then I've got my slim light Tab 10.1 that does the job and works great with my Android phone and Google services
Yes, releasing a Tegra2 tablet now is pretty late. They had their shot with 10.1v but messed up nearly everything. And with Samsung support, this device won't see a shiny future. Despite all confusion Samsung doesn't say a damn word !
Then there is the missing sd slot and ports. We even got a worse 3MP cam while the 10.1v had a 8mp one. A step in the wrong direction.
Win8 beta is close (1-2 months), apple announced ipad3, tegra3 is coming too.
A massive change is going to happen until next year. Lots of arguments against the 10.1.
GT10.1 prices will drop big time soon. 300 bucks in ~3 months i guess.
Last week I was totally hyped but now it's getting easier to wait.
Still no release in EU. There must be some massive problems with that device.
I'm considering returning mine. There are a couple of little things that makes using the tablet as my main device a bit frustrating like moody text selection, keyboard disappearing randomly sometimes, choppy videos (was trying to stream Friday Night Lights on NBC's site, and it couldn't get through the first 10 mins), lack of honeycomb optimized apps, no Netflix, and even using Facebook thru the browser is quirky.
I have 2 more days to decide, and I'm looking into just waiting for the new Samsung Series 3 notebooks to come out also.
Hm, I checked the hits on xda. There are only 10k posts for the GT10.1 while the transformer has 45k.
Could it be low interest for this device?
I think it's more that the Asus has been out longer, and is also the most-sold Android Honeycomb tablet thus far.
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Isn't part of the Tegra 2's problem it's lack of Advanced SIMD that everyone else seems to have?
The new TI OMAP 4 1.5GHz dual core and Nvidia Tegra 3 1.?GHz quad core both coming in Q3 got to be big performance improvements over the Tegra 2 that came out Q4 last year (feels older than that).
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I did a quick wiki search on Advanced SIMD (I hadn't heard about it prior to you informing me ) and the technology looks more like it's applied to much slower ARM processors than the ones we find in tablets. Wikipedia specifically mentions acceleration for speech decoding and MP3 audio decoding at extremely slow speeds (15 MHz and below). Does this technology also apply to decoding videos, etc, at 1,000 MHz? I could see this possibly affecting something like playing MP3s while the device is in standby, but I don't know much about this technology.
When I use the Tab (and my 7" tab as well) I'm normally streaming video from TVersity on my PC to my tab via UPnPlay & Mobo video player (on my Tab 10.1) or AllShare on my 7" tab. I also watch flash videos (up to 720p - that's the highest res video I've tried). All work very well - there is some minor stuttering with the flash video from the stock browser, I would say it will drop a few frames once every 5 minutes.
I also do some filesharing over my network - such as transferring PDF files from my PC and viewing them on my Tab. I know that's not related to the video conversation - but that works pretty smoothly as well.
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OK so listen here, I have owned the following device listed below, yes I know I'm crazy LOL, I'm a tech guy and I love to try out everything.
Items owned within the last 2 months.
Ipad
Ipad2
Motorola xoom
Asus Transformer and Dock
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 I/O edition
Nook Color rooted with CM7....
Ok now, I did like every device I did own but something just seemed missing from them all. Out of all if them I will say the Transformer was the best, accept for the sound.
Now on to me owing the HTC Flyer with nice white case and magic Pen, and I will go all out now and say that its the best damn android tablet I have now owned. I love everything about the Flyer, The screen is right up there with the best of them and I think it even looks better then the Ipad2 and transformer screens, viewing angles are tops. The text is so clear and perfect.
Now I have read reviews about the HTC Flyer sounds lacking, honestly I have no Idea what the reviewers are talking about the HTC flyer sounds is amazingly loud and freaking clear sound. So don't read the review about the sound not being good, the HTC flyer sound blows the Transformer speakers out of the water.
Now lets talk about speed, yes speed, With just a single 1.5 ghz core processor this thing seems so much faster the dual core processors, you say how, well do a test for your self,m the web browser has been the best experience out of all the Tablets I have owned. Crazy as it sounds but its super fast.
Now the Pen, yes it may sound like a gimmick but its not and its fun and useful to you in its own right.
Anyway, I hear honeycomb is going to be released for the Flyer, and I will say there's really no need fcor it, I love the Flyer as is, I Give big Kudos to HTC on making and sweet like mobile Tablets, in the end people that's all I wanted was a nice mobile device and The Flyer takes the cake.
I give it a 9 oput of 10.
Don't listen to the reviews, this tab is way underrated.
i 100% agree thing is sooo nice...i barely use my laptop anymore
I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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I love 7" tablets, and this isby far the best I have used. The web browsing is just amazingly fast, can't get enough of the Flyer.
It's nice but I still would take a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or the Limited Edition over it.
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I have been down a very similar path with tablets. I have tried them all. No doubt about it, the flyer is the best. I truley love this tablet, and actually use itnom a daily basis.
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That's why I sold my Tegra 2 tablet and still have my flyer.
about the processor
A 1.5 ghz single core processor will always blow away a 1 ghz dual core processor until applications are optimized for dual core processors. If an application wasn't designed with multi core processors in mind then it is basically 1.5 ghz single core vs. a 1 ghz dual core that will only run on 1 core. Right now there are relatively few applications out there that are actually optimized for the dual core processors, so you rarely see the increase in speed from the tegra2 processor that other tablets have.
I love my HTC Flyer and its wimpy 1.5 ghz processor that I've been reading about in all the reviews that are written by people who don't know what they are talking about ha.
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It's nice but I still would take a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 or the Limited Edition over it.
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Its hype don't do it. I owned the tab 10.1 limited sold it bought the flyer returned the flyer bought another limited sold it bought the flyer again. The tab is a nice piece of hardware honeycomb is lacking right now. The flyer is amazing and will develop a cult like following. I prefer it over all tablets right now. Its the small things such as the propriety cable that also takes micro USB, the beaitful screen, pen is really useful, size and weight are prefect, and it takes a micro sd cards to expand storage. I have a 32gb SD card and its awesome.
I don't want honeycomb on it unless its just as functuional as it is now.
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Now lets talk about speed, yes speed, With just a single 1.5 ghz core processor this thing seems so much faster the dual core processors, you say how, well do a test for your self [...]
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I agree with all you wrote about the Flyer. Before I buy my, I also read the reviews and was afraid that it was a little bit slow, because every review note the single core CPU and that it is slower than the dual core tablets.
I thought the tester not only under impress from the ipad hype but really test and feal it. But it compare the Flyer with many other devices, also the (reported) fast ones like the ipad 2. And in all my tests the Flyer was much faster and react directly.
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A 1.5 ghz single core processor will always blow away a 1 ghz dual core processor until applications are optimized for dual core processors.
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So sure? Okay, mathematical is 2 x 1 bigger then 1.5 and also in applications which make many calculations but a tablet is not a calculator and not use as one but mainly a user interface and here it depends only on the OS and the one for ipad and honeycomb are both optimized. But in an OS you haven't so much use in a dual core system.
Only in some games you will have an advantage. This is the same here as by other devices and PCs where the advantage from a dual core in normal daily use is also limited.
So, don't expect that one day the dual core are much faster...
Mathematically it doesn't matter until the application is written for multi threaded processing. Or parallel processing, whatever you'd like to call it. Once those applications are optimized you will see a speed different in the performance of processing intensive applications. The few that are out right now are mostly games. And if you are in the market for a gaming device, I don't think most people buy a 7 inch tablet that comes with true pen support.
I'm really very happy about this thread. I haven't tried many tablets, so I have little to compare. I have messed with a friend's eee Transformer, and it's ok, but I think the build quality is kind of poor, and the tegra2 processor is slower than my flyer... as mentioned above. In real-world performance, we were both playing back 720p mkvs in Mobo Player... his stuttered occasionally enough to be annoying. The flyer never had a hiccup. I'll take the 1.5ghz proc over the tegra2 any day. The form factor is also really great as well. I do look forward to honeycomb on it, just for Google's Video Chat.
again, what matters to me is the size and performance, and out of all the tablets I mention I owned, the flyer kicks all there butts.
I mean all I hear is about all the other tablets screens, let me tell you the flyer's screen is better the all of them, I know some will say "yeah your saying that because I own the flyer", No really the flyer's screen is flat out no pun intended "Quietly Brilliant". Viewing angles are best I have seen, even better theh the ipad2 and Asus.
The battery is great too. It has lasted much linger then the Xoom I owned and the Transformer. Asus says the transformer has 9.5 hours, I beg to differ, my battery on the Asus tab alone without the dock was dying in just about 6 hours ion full charge.
I'm still learning with the magic pen, well that's what I call it. Ans its just an awesome feature,
I will go on record again and say this, I don't know what some of these guys reviewing are saying about the speakers, the Speaks on the flyer are freaking tops for me. It is right up there with the xoom's speakers which is noticed to be the best. I say the Flyers speakers are one of the best!
I think people just give bad reviews to give them. I'm unbiased and I think the flyer is a complete WIN, best tablet of 2011 bar none, and of course this is all my opinion. I just don't want people passing this thing up until they own one or at least use it for a day, I'm telling you a day with the flyer and all opinions will change.
Bottom Line GREAT JOB HTC...
I think the main problem with people taking a dive with the HTC flyer is the lack of developer support. I was going to pick one up and I heard that there's just too little support for the device . I think that's why people get the galaxy tab 10.1 cause even if it's not a great product out of the box, dev's make it a really great device when they work their magic.
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I think the main problem with people taking a dive with the HTC flyer is the lack of developer support. I was going to pick one up and I heard that there's just too little support for the device . I think that's why people get the galaxy tab 10.1 cause even if it's not a great product out of the box, dev's make it a really great device when they work their magic.
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really, what does the great support does the galaxy tab have.
I'm not paying $500 to $600 for a device with no Micro Sd card support, so IMO galaxt tab =Possible Fail.
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really, what does the great support does the galaxy tab have.
I'm not paying $500 to $600 for a device with no Micro Sd card support, so IMO galaxt tab =Possible Fail.
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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I agree the 8.9 will be a success, but honeycomb still is crap right now.
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Well, first off it almost instantly acquired root access... and actually the 8.9 will be a bigger hit than the 10.1 I think.. no sd card is kinda fail but the 8.9 will have sd support and people seem to like that size. Samsung has always had a great track record for developer support, galaxy tab 7', galaxy S lines etc. I'll probably pick up the flyer to test it out properly for the 14 days, but I played with it for about 40 minutes and I just really disliked the little hiccups in the launcher =/, but I think I should have a proper few days before I make my final decision
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Well the 8.9 will be nice I bet, but with still no SD card support, and it being already confirmed by Samsung that the 8.9 will have cheaper screen, sorry I will still stil with my flyer.
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Well the 8.9 will be nice I bet, but with still no SD card support, and it being already confirmed by Samsung that the 8.9 will have cheaper screen, sorry I will still stil with my flyer.
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Well, I keep reading it will include sd card support. If there's no sd support, I'm just going to buy the eee pad slider when it comes out this summer. If the 8.9 does have sd support, I'll be going with the 8.9, but I'm still going to pick up a flyer today and run it through it's paces. Who knows, I might fall in love with it .
sidenote: Is launcherpro compatible with tablets? If it is, that'll fix the issue of having to stick with the sense launcher
I recently bought the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and have 0 issues with it...now I am hearing rumors that the new Asus Transformer 2 with Tegra 3 aka Kal El is going to come out this October 2011..
For those who don't know what that is it's a quad core proc that is supposedly more powerful than a 2.0 ghz core 2 duo proc and also said to be 2 times faster for web browsing and 5 times more powerful overall than the Tegra 2...
Now for my question...I am still within the 14 days at best buy to return the galaxy...should I return it and wait until October for the Transformer 2 or should I just stick with the galaxy?
I absolutely love my galaxy but is the more powerful chip worth getting a slightly thicker/heavier transformer?
You could return it and wait for the Asus. Then when you get the Asus, there's going to be a rumor about a tab with the Tegra 4, in which case you could then return the Asus, or sell it, and wait for said new tab. See where I'm going here...at the rate tch is developing right now, there is always going to be something new/updated coming out within 6 months. If you're happy with the Tab, and if it does what you want it to do efficiently w/out too many issues, why get rid of it?
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You could return it and wait for the Asus. Then when you get the Asus, there's going to be a rumor about a tab with the Tegra 4, in which case you could then return the Asus, or sell it, and wait for said new tab. See where I'm going here...at the rate tch is developing right now, there is always going to be something new/updated coming out within 6 months. If you're happy with the Tab, and if it does what you want it to do efficiently w/out too many issues, why get rid of it?
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Thats true but id definitely be content with my purchase if i had 6 months between the next upgrade instead of 2
But truly, who knows if the Asus Transformer 2 will come out in October? Have we even seen a prototype yet? If you think about the GT10.1, the prototype of this p7510 version was first displayed in the CTIA in March, and yet it only came on the market in July. And only in the U.S., while it's still rolling out worldwide. So, I think it's hard to believe TF2 will be out in 2 months.
Even if it does come out, who knows if TF2 will have a lighter and thinner form factor than the GT10.1? Since you've had TF1 and GT10.1 you'd know, unlike laptops, slashing off weight and thickness makes for a huge difference in improving the tablet experience. Will the TF2 trounce the iPad2 and GT10.1 in form factor?
The roadmap for Tegra3 smartphones has already been pushed back to Jan 2012 at the earliest. Even if Tegra3 tablets come first, I doubt we'll be getting them before the Thanksgiving or Christmas holiday season, and when they do come out, Asus TF2 may be the first but not necessarily the best or the one you want.
But then Sammy, Acer, Toshiba only just came out with their first tablets this summer (while Sony still hasn't), so they don't have much stake in rushing out a Tegra3 tablet untill at least late this year, and more likely next year. I'd bet my money that if only cause of it's form factor, until iPad3 comes out in Q1/Q2 2012, you won't be seeking an upgrade. That is my 2 cents on keeping my GT10.1, regardless of Tegra3 rumors.
Truly, why hang on to the hypothetical, when you have the actual in your hand?
I'm still completely torn as to what to do...you make a good point where since the transformer 2 coming out in october is only a rumor and may not come out until november december...but since I am a gadget freak I don't know how I'm going to feel when there is a tegra 3 tablet b/c I am sure they're going to have all sorts of accompanying apps that can utilize the quad core proc...this is tough..
Wait for the TF2 if you don't mind waiting, see how you like it and then decide if it's a keeper.
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Here's the question I consider:
If you stick with the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Transformer 2 does come out in October (or November), will you be saying "man, I wish I waited 2 more months for this to come out"?
At the same time, if you waited and got the Transformer 2 in November, when the next best thing comes out 6 months later, will you be saying "man, I wish I kept the Galaxy Tab 10.1 last year and waited for this to come out"?
For me, this is easy. I've never owned a tab. I rather wait 2 months as you said and know that the TF2 is at least the best thing out at the time with no drastic chip/gpu upgrades pending until at least Summer 2012.
I'd say wait it out. Even if it comes out late (November), you will be less regretful in my opinion.
Get the Galaxy Tab now and have fun, you won't be disappointed. When the TF2 comes out, wait for the reviews. If you decide you want it, sell the Galaxy Tab on ebay and buy the TF2.
That is what I did with (first) the Viewsonic G-Tab and (now) the Galaxy Tab.
Wait for the TF3, it will be awesome! No, wait for the TF4, that's really going to fly! Just kidding! Wait for the TF5! I've heard it will cure cancer!
In the meantime, please start more threads about tablets that don't exist that we should compare to existing ones.
Personally, I purchased a Tab 10.1 for 2 simple reasons:
- amazing quality and design, not found in any other tablet
- perfect companion for my Samsung Galaxy S2
I doubt that other companies will be able to match the outstanding Tab quality. It makes iPad2 look like a little crappy product from every angle.
There is no reason to be purchasing ANY Tegra 2 based tablet at this time unless you dont mind throwing away $250 just to use a tablet for two months.
Tegra 2 is an OLD SoC designed for PHONES not tablets. Its been around for over a year and a half now. About half of all videos must be re-encoded to play on Tegra 2 since it has a very weak video accelerator.
Tegra 3 will be the first SoC designed for tablets. You wont see it in phones until Nvidia shrinks the die to 22nm.
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There is no reason to be purchasing ANY Tegra 2 based tablet at this time unless you dont mind throwing away $250 just to use a tablet for two months.
Tegra 2 is an OLD SoC designed for PHONES not tablets. Its been around for over a year and a half now. About half of all videos must be re-encoded to play on Tegra 2 since it has a very weak video accelerator.
Tegra 3 will be the first SoC designed for tablets. You wont see it in phones until Nvidia shrinks the die to 22nm.
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All videos run just fine for me and smooth, tegra 2 + gaming = good times for me. Im glad to have my tegra 2 tablet.
If you want to watch 1080p videos and run games that require more than two cores then get a desktop and a 40inch+ led.
The asus transformer 1 has a lot of nasty bugs, battery/dock problems and poor build quality issues... It would be nice if they focused on fixing those things first before rushing yet another tablet into the market.
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All videos run just fine for me and smooth, tegra 2 + gaming = good times for me. Im glad to have my tegra 2 tablet.
If you want to watch 1080p videos and run games that require more than two cores then get a desktop and a 40inch+ led.
The asus transformer 1 has a lot of nasty bugs, battery/dock problems and poor build quality issues... It would be nice if they focused on fixing those things first before rushing yet another tablet into the market.
PS: Big big botta boom!
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What are you talking about??? The Tegra 2 can not even play 720p videos with even low-medium bitrate. It only supports the obsolete Baseline profile for h.264. Tegra 2 can not playback 720p in Main or High profile unless you re-encode the video to very low bitrate.
Education is key to understanding reality.
Whats the point of watching a 720p or 1080p video on a 10 inch screen? You will hardly notice the difference between those and a 480p version of the video...
Besides, I have watched 720p blueray video rips just fine using MX video player free on the market. Even the stock touchwiz video player plays most movies I have without issue.
BTW - http://tabletroms.com/forums/adam-g...can-play-720p-high-level-5-1-h-264-video.html
Knowledge is power.
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Whats the point of watching a 720p or 1080p video on a 10 inch screen? You will hardly notice the diffrence between those and a 480p video...
Besides, I have watched 720p blueray video rips just fine using MX video player free on the market. Even the stock touchwiz video player plays most movies I have without issue.
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Again, education is key to understanding reality.
The reason why you want 720p is because the screen is 720p resolution. You yourself have just admitted that you have to re-encode your video to play on the tablet. Quite funny as it completely contradicts what you posted just before. I dont think you understand how video playback works.
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Again, education is key to understanding reality.
The reason why you want 720p is because the screen is 720p resolution. You yourself have just admitted that you have to re-encode your video to play on the tablet. Quite funny as it completely contradicts what you posted just before. I dont think you understand how video playback works.
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I never said I had to re-encode any videos. Learn to read, I said I have no issues with playing videos on my tablet using MX Video Player or the stock video player, as I said before if you want to watch 720p video on a 10inch screen then you will find that a 480p video will look about the same.
Is it so hard for you to believe that I have no issues watching movies and videos on my galaxy tab 10.1?
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I never said I had to re-encode any videos. Learn to read, I said I have no issues with playing videos on my tablet using MX Video Player or the stock video player, as I said before if you want to watch 720p video on a 10inch screen then you will find that a 480p video will look about the same.
Is it so hard for you to believe that I have no issues watching movies and videos on my galaxy tab 10.1?
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Now this is too funny. You stated you watched a bluray rip on your tablet. Are you seriously telling me you put a 50gb bluray movie on to your tablet that only has 16/32gb of memory and played the RAW bluray movie on your tablet which is impossible for the Tegra 2 to decode? Seriously?
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Now this is too funny. You stated you watched a bluray rip on your tablet. Are you seriously telling me you put a 50gb bluray movie on to your tablet that only has 16/32gb of memory and played the RAW bluray movie on your tablet which is impossible for the Tegra 2 to decode? Seriously?
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There you go being a troll again... Stop putting words into my post that didn't exist. I never told you that I put a raw blue-ray 50gb file on my 16bg galaxy...
Every post I have ever read from you seems as if your just trying to troll and start a fight but you just end up looking like a sad angry person who thinks he knows it all.
Just so your not confused...
I got a movie online (that i own) that was a blueray rip 720p and it played and looked just fine. Maybe it wasn't the super duper high quality version of 720p or even the fantastical super high quality 1080p. All that matters to me is that it looked good and ran good on my tablet.
If i want to watch a movie in full blown HD quality I will do it on my 50in LED tv using my blue-ray player... Not my 10 inch tablet.
So you admit, the movie HAD to be reencoded to be played on the tablet. You see how your argument has fallen apart?
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For OP:
Get the galaxy tab 10.1 (it will do anything a tablet should currently do and quite well.) and when your sick of it in a year or so get the transformer 2 (if its build quality isn't crap).
Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
Specs is one thing. What's important is real life performance and if there's any other possible flaw. Gtab actually looks not bad, but the software performance bogged it down. I'd by the time the Toshiba tablet is released, icecream sandwich may be released or close to be released. So unless the performance of the Toshiba tab is another class higher than grab, I see no point thinking too much about it.
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Looks almost identical to the Gtab! same resolution display too.... Won't be long before Apple will be taking Toshiba to the courts over this!! (or maybe Samsung will!??)
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I just bought my tab 4 days ago, don't want to even think about this tablet, I would've gotten it but too late now :/
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I looked at the Engadget review and the tablet looked pretty slow to me, I might be wrong. I'm very happy with my P7510 running on a vanilla 3.1 Honeycomb (soon to run on PhantomHacker's 3.2 vanilla ROM) and I'm looking forward to see Ice Cream on it.
The thing is, we will never purchase a tablet if we wait for the next "big one" to come out. Technology changes so fast that is not worth to trouble yourself. Just enjoy the tablet and use it to death, I personally think that my Tab 10.1 is an excellent product.
Well, I am not waiting for the next big one but just for one that does not have Tegra2 inside, looks OK, has I/O's I want and 3G connectivity.
So, just to have something for now I bought iPad 1 3G few weeks ago. As it is very limited device I was waiting for it to get right price. $350 for new one on warranty is OK. Now I can wait till end of the year to get Excite or Holiday or TF2 or Xoom2.... Will see.
If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
The Tosh looks very nice, another weapon in the Android armoury. I'm still very happy with my Samsung 16Gb Wifi.
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If you want to wait, an alternative would be the HP Touchpad for $99 (fire sale instead of $499). It runs on WebOS which is awesome and I'm pretty sure someone will make an Android ROM for it eventually. Don't expect a great quality build, though.
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It would be all true if folks like me could actually get it.
IMHO if you want (especially 3G) tablet now, good one, for reasonable price, just to keep you going till the one you really want is out iPad1 seems like a great deal.
Does most of the stuff Tegra 2 tablets do, has 3G and new one can still be found pretty cheap (half of the zoom price for example). And form me video capabilities all almost the same.
There will be always something new and better than what's available currently in the market. By the time Toshiba excite gets released to the market, even more better tablet with awesome specs will be shown at a new tech show taking place anywhere on this planet Earth.
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Hi,
Just watched presentation of upcoming Toshiba Tab and Iahve to say I fell in love again (as with GT 10.1 which dissapointed me with itd SoC).
AT200 will be equipped with Ti OMAP4 4430 (1,2 Ghz) chip - the one with Netflix HD certificate. Has microSD slot, micro USB and HDMI. It is just 7,7 mm thick and very light.
What do you think....if you thinking of getting GT10.1 in few days would that make you wait?
And one more thing... Video transcoding - is it coming to an end???
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I'm feeling exactly the same as you. The size and weight of the GT 10.1 was perfect but the poor video decoding performance of the Tegra 2 and lack of MicroSD card slot was a real let down. The AT200 seems like it will be perfect for me (assuming the OMAP proc is a lot better for video decoding). I just hope it comes out real soon to the UK market. If they delay it too long then I may be put off with official specs of ICS tablets.
It is the same SOC as in new Archos G9 series (like them but they look "cheap") and they say it will "Play" anything and everything. ;-)
Dont even think about getting the tab 10.
The Ti OMAP4 4430 in the toshiba is far superior to Tegra 2.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has A9 cores with Neon processing. Tergra 2 does not have the Neon processing and will be much slower when running apps which use Neon code and alot of apps are starting to use it.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has DUAL channel memory controller. Tegra 2 only has a single channel. Since video memory is shared, dual channel will give double the memory bandwidth which is highly needed since video memory is shared from system memory.
Ti OMAP4 4430 has SUPERIOR video decoding hardware compared to tegra 2. You can finally play real HD 1080p video. Tegra 2 decoder is so slow it cant decode main and high HD profiles which is what everyone uses.
For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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ouch! Guessing no one has the actually specs on this tab yet, looks decent size wise.
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Full specs have been released.
Does it have an amazing screen like the Samsung SPLS? Screen quality along with weight is what made my decision. However im disappointed in the current state of honeycomb/tablet apps. I would expect apps like Google+ to have the hangout video support. Lack of skype video is also a huge downer. My older samsung galaxy 7 also had way better video playing support.
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For the newcomers to this forum, don't put much stock in anything ^ this person says. He's a known troll who will say one thing in one thread and then turn around and say the exact opposite in another.
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This is a false statement. Never ever have I contradicted myself. Never.
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On topic, the Excite looks like a nice machine. Do we have a US release date for it yet?
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No, but don't worry, I do not think Europe has one either .
And two facts:
1. OMAP is a definitely better SOC than Tegra 2 - no arguing here. The only thing at which Tegra 2 might be better (we will have to wait and see, but I doubt it myself) is energy management.
I am worried about battery life of a tablet with 1,2 - 1,5 Ghz clock.
2. It will be cheaper in US than in EU - fact.
Now, one more "issue" we might encounter by the time it is in the shops. What will be a better choice - tablet with Omap4 or Tegra3/Kal-El with 4 cores and new architecture? (unless nvidia made an intel trick or the one they do with graphic cards - Tegra 3 is two Tegra 2 cpu's on a single chip - this would suck I think)
I'm looking to upgrade from my original Galaxy Tab within the next few weeks. I have narrowed my search down to the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and the Sony Tablet S. There obviously isn't a Tablet S forum to ask this question yet, but I was wondering what the Tab owner's opinion would be.
Should I get the already-established Tab 10.1, or spring for the brand new Tablet S?
i took the plunge and bought the 32gb 10.1 at the weekend and am loving it so far. Couple of work arounds like using USB adaptor to actually put stuff on it from my mac as try as I might, WIFI transfer and joke that is Kies wouldn't work with my mac.
Like I said, have a work around and haven't encountered any issues yet. The HDMI adaptor is also working a treat...have to have it plugged into the power supply but great picture and sound through the TV.
I thought about the S1 too, but I think with the note book design, it'll be too thick. The 10.1 just feels right in the hand. Nearly waited for the smaller Galaxy Tab 8.9 , but the 10.1 with wide screen it a great size for travel and watching on my TV at home which is the main reason for me to get it.
All about preference
Neither.
Hold off and get something with a better CPU.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Tab but Tegra2 is not all that great and with the next wave of tablets like the Galaxy Tab 7.7, the Toshiba A200 and the widely-rumoured Amazon tablet(s) all featuring far superior CPUs, if you can hold off it'll be worth it.
Unless your in the U.S. The tab 7.7 doesn't look like it's coming to the U.S. due to it's ability to be a phone no service provider will work with it. And if you live outside the U.S. the Amazon Kindle Tablet will have only the Amazon app store installed on it and only 8gb. Not too mention no Google support.
Since your in a forum now I am guessing your ready to buy now and not wait. I researched forever when I purchased my Tab 10.1 back in June. Absolutely love it! It's so light, the screen is amazing, touchwiz is OK and after Installing Adw ex from the market it is so smooth. My co-workers awe struck when using it. Two of whom have dropped over a grand on ipad 1 and 2 now want to switch to Android because of its customization. With Ice Cream Sandwich coming everything is moving into the cloud for storage making USB or SD cards non important for tablets.
Get a Tab.
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Stardate Tab 10.1 said:
Unless your in the U.S. The tab 7.7 doesn't look like it's coming to the U.S. due to it's ability to be a phone no service provider will work with it.
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The original 7" Galaxy Tab had the ability to function as a phone and, unless I'm mistaken, every major US network carried it - they just disabled that function.
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And if you live outside the U.S. the Amazon Kindle Tablet will have only the Amazon app store installed on it and only 8gb. Not too mention no Google support.
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If it's Android, people will find a way to put the Google apps onto it.
I'm just going by what I have read, which is the 7.7 is not coming to the u.s. (we haven't even sniffed the 8.9 yet) And this I do not know of, but can other countries access the amazon app store?
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I'm just going by what I have read, which is the 7.7 is not coming to the u.s. (we haven't even sniffed the 8.9 yet)
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No-one's had the 8.9 yet, so that doesn't really mean anything.
And whilst I appreciate that you're only repeating what's been said elsewhere, the problem with that is that it's a matter of days since the Tab 7.7 was unveiled, nothing will have been decided yet...
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And this I do not know of, but can other countries access the amazon app store?
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Not without tricking your phone into thinking it's in the US, I don't think.
I'm actually surprised about the number of responses! The original Tab's forums are slow.
I have the T-mobile version of the Galaxy Tab and I am in the US, so I'm stuck deciding either to have voice calls, or use 3g. This only effects the T-mobile tabs too, guh.
Since I am in the US, I'm not going to see the Tab 7.7, and after having a 7 inch tab for a while, I can say that there are a few reasons why I don't want to have another. Portability was great, but I have a Captivate, which essentially does everything my Galaxy Tab does, only on a smaller screen.
Amazon's tablets are going to lack Google support, which is a very important thing to have, so I'm going to pass those up.
You guys are talking me out of the Tablet S with all this praising of the Tab 10.1. Are there any cons I should be worried about?
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Amazon's tablets are going to lack Google support, which is a very important thing to have, so I'm going to pass those up.
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I can't help but imagine that quite quickly after release, someone will work out how to get the proper Android market up and running on the Amazon Tabs.
But it's understandable that you wouldn't want to take the risk, not to mention the first one to be released is likely to be a 7" model, unless I'm mistaken...
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You guys are talking me out of the Tablet S with all this praising of the Tab 10.1.
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It's pretty obvious why - it's the best [Android] tablet on the market just now.
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The lack of a memory card slot on the wi-fi model is criminal but other than that, not really.
Just don't use TouchWiz and you'll be fine.
I definitely would say 10.1... However, I do like Touchwiz
Sammy 10.1 hands down!
Seeing as the Tablet S is more or less preloaded with those apps, and I'll be able to get most of them elsewhere, all except the universal remote, I'll pick up the Tab 10.1. Especially reading that the Tablet S has some issues with getting scratched easily on the screen and the cheap feeling casing.
Now my next question will be what accessories would be worth investing and where should I get them? Obviously, I'd like a case, and the USB adapter would be a worthwhile investment. Is the docking station/HDMI connector and/or keyboard dock worth getting at all?
Now, I hear a bunch of mixed results for Touchwiz. I'm quite familiar with using TouchWiz on my original Tab and my Captivate, so that has essentially been the whole Android experience for me. At least I think. I normally don't use the default launcher, I've stuck it out with ADW for as long as I can remember, so what will I be missing out by using TouchWiz vs the AOSP ROMs?
Speaking of ROMs, which one should I flash over first?
And the final question is, white or grey?
No down about Tab 10.1 thump up...
Touchwiz stabilizes many of the bugs I was running into on stock honeycomb (browser crash, keyboard lag)
I also love the version of Swype that came with it.
I wouldn't go back to stock at this point, even though I prefer the stcok look. It's easy enough to get a different launcher, though. In any case, you can always go back to stock.
As the owner of a Vibrant, I can say the Tab's version of TW seems quite a bit less intrusive than tw 3.0 on your captivate. Honestly, I never hated it on the Vib either, just the look of it and I put lp on to solve that.
Anyway, I find the tab a joy to use. I barely use my phone (unless it's to tether) or my desktop anymore.
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The grey one. White reminds me too much of an ipad.
I think the only reason to get a Sony would be if you already have a house full of Sony devices that can benefit from the integration it purportedly can offer. As it is, those features are probably easily supplanted by regular apps from the Market.
Purchasing ANY tegra 2 tablet right now would be the biggest mistake you can make. Especially if you already have a tablet and want to upgrade.
Tegra 2 is a VERY old SoC. I does not run many HD video due to its very slow video accelerator. This is a big problem with tegra 2 units.
Quad core tablets with true HD video hardware acceleration start shipping next month. They will be just as thin as current tablets and have similar battery life. Dont waste your money on Tegra 2. You have been warned. Tegra 2 is for phones not tablets.
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Purchasing ANY tegra 2 tablet right now would be the biggest mistake you can make. Especially if you already have a tablet and want to upgrade.
Tegra 2 is a VERY old SoC. I does not run many HD video due to its very slow video accelerator. This is a big problem with tegra 2 units.
Quad core tablets with true HD video hardware acceleration start shipping next month. They will be just as thin as current tablets and have similar battery life. Dont waste your money on Tegra 2. You have been warned. Tegra 2 is for phones not tablets.
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What are some quad core tablets I could look into?
The only two companies who are expected to release quad-core tablets soon are Amazon and Asus.
However, last I heard, Amazon had put back their quad-core 10" tablet 'til next year and there was no expected date for Asus' follow-up to the Transformer.
Yap, I agree with step, get an asus, a quad core would be better to perform everythg, including replacing a netbook. Perhaps a quad core is able.to boot a window 8 , lol
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The only two companies who are expected to release quad-core tablets soon are Amazon and Asus.
However, last I heard, Amazon had put back their quad-core 10" tablet 'til next year and there was no expected date for Asus' follow-up to the Transformer.
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That info is good enough for me. I bought the original Tab back in March, and upgraded 6 months later. I plan on having the Tab 10.1 last me closer to a year, and with no expected date for the first gen quad cores, I'm sure I'll be able to nab one in a back to school sale or something like that this time next year.
I was wondering if the new Galaxy Player 70 Plus (YP-GB70D) is worth getting from all people that own in.
I've been thinking about getting a PMP/MP3 player of late & read about the new GP70 (YP-GB70D) that was recently released. I was wondering if the older version (YP-GB70) its worth getting? I do currently have an AT&T Galaxy Note & prefer not to use it as a media player even though I could.
I was wondering if it's worth getting since I can get it for $330ish from http://www.exportprive.com/en/samsu...-70-yp-gb70-galaxy-s-wifi-50-32go-blanc-.html
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I was wondering if the new Galaxy Player 70 Plus (YP-GB70) is worth getting from all people that own in.
I've been thinking about getting a PMP/MP3 player of late & read about the new GP70 (YP-GB70) that was released. I was wondering if its worth getting? I considered the 5.0 but didn't like it cause of the 8GB since the new one has a 32GB version. I know I can add a microSD card on both but I prefer as much as possible for the internal memory.
I do currently have an AT&T Galaxy Note & prefer not to use it as a media player even though I could.
I was wondering if it's worth getting since I can get it for $330ish from http://www.exportprive.com/en/samsu...-70-yp-gb70-galaxy-s-wifi-50-32go-blanc-.html
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For some reason... this looks like it could potentially be a scam. A new one was announced, but I would NOT trust that retailer from a first glance. I mean look at it, they say on that site that it has a 3mp front cam? Doubt it.
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For some reason... this looks like it could potentially be a scam. A new one was announced, but I would NOT trust that retailer from a first glance. I mean look at it, they say on that site that it has a 3mp front cam? Doubt it.
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I have bought numerous items from them in the past so they are legit. I wonder if its a misprint on the camera. thanks for making me research further on it.
EDIT: after further research this isn't the new one I was after.
EDIT2: Found the correct version Yp-GB70D
http://www.exportprive.com/en/samsu...s-yp-gb70d-multimedia-player-32gb-white-.html
So no one with the Galaxy 5 wifi YP-G70 can tell me if they are worth it or not? if they are then I plan to get the new released Korean version.
If you care about Android development and want more of a variety of roms to choose from then I'd choose the Galaxy S I9000. If you don't mind the fact that the Galaxy Player doesn't come with SAMOLED screen and a lot activity in the development section, then go for it.
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So no one with the Galaxy 5 wifi YP-G70 can tell me if they are worth it or not? if they are then I plan to get the new released Korean version.
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The international version isn't that much different from the US version. Plus can you really justify paying that much for an outdated MP3 player when you can just purchase a dual core device with better development for less in the market?
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The international version isn't that much different from the US version. Plus can you really justify paying that much for an outdated MP3 player when you can just purchase a dual core device with better development for less in the market?
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Yah, if I'm going to spend that much then it will be for the newly dual core version (YP-GB70D). Actually, I just put in an order for the newly Korean released YP-70D, but started to get buyers remorse after seeing the final price with 2-3 international shipping.
Hopefully someone will start dev'n for the YP-70D in the future.
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CONS:
The 5MP camera on GB70D totally sucks, because it's omap chip. Compared to 70GB Korean model (which has 5MP camera too) the colours are washed out, the focus is not sharp and the video is a joke. You can't set saturation, brightness etc. The video app can't pause now.
With current firmware (as of April 2012) it can not play most of the 720p videos smoothly (quite a joke for a media player).
The battery seems to be drained faster then original model.
There's not included offline 3d navigation iNavi, as was the case with previous model.
The display is not as bright as before and the colours are not correct (yellow hue).
The display still lags, in some HD videos it's quite bad.
In direct sun the display is still dark.
It has the same videochip as before, PoverVR SGX540. Some games run better, but many of them look the same or don't run at all. It definitely is not a device for 3D HD games.
Wakeup is remarkably slower now (sometimes 3 seconds).
The default sound app still sucks.
It's made in China, the previous model was made in Korea.
As for the white design, I like the original black/white design more.
PROS:
The dualcore does it's job, especially if you run torrents or other downloads in background and browse the web in foreground. It's fast.
1GB of memory is a significant upgrade.
The UI and fonts seem to be a bit smoother.
Conclusion:
It's faster. Soon there would be custom ROMs and upgrades as there are for the previous model, so many things will be fixed. But the camera sucks and the videochip is the same. So something is wrong, this was supposed to be a multimedia device.
Note: I could compare three models, all Korean versions.
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CONS:
The 5MP camera on GB70D totally sucks, because it's omap chip. Compared to 70GB Korean model (which has 5MP camera too) the colours are washed out, the focus is not sharp and the video is a joke. You can't set saturation, brightness etc. The video app can't pause now.
With current firmware (as of April 2012) it can not play most of the 720p videos smoothly (quite a joke for a media player).
The battery seems to be drained faster then original model.
There's not included offline 3d navigation iNavi, as was the case with previous model.
The display is not as bright as before and the colours are not correct (yellow hue).
The display still lags, in some HD videos it's quite bad.
In direct sun the display is still dark.
It has the same videochip as before, PoverVR SGX540. Some games run better, but many of them look the same or don't run at all. It definitely is not a device for 3D HD games.
Wakeup is remarkably slower now (sometimes 3 seconds).
The default sound app still sucks.
It's made in China, the previous model was made in Korea.
As for the white design, I like the original black/white design more.
PROS:
The dualcore does it's job, especially if you run torrents or other downloads in background and browse the web in foreground. It's fast.
1GB of memory is a significant upgrade.
The UI and fonts seem to be a bit smoother.
Conclusion:
It's faster. Soon there would be custom ROMs and upgrades as there are for the previous model, so many things will be fixed. But the camera sucks and the videochip is the same. So something is wrong, this was supposed to be a multimedia device.
Note: I could compare three models, all Korean versions.
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Would you buy this model again or another if you had the chance to do it over again? If another, which device.
Could you compare the 5.0 series with the YP-GB70D? Just curious on your opinion of them.
I would not buy it. Omap cameras suck, that's what cheap LG devices use. Also the omap dualcore in GB70D isn't the same as exynos or tegra. As for 5.0 series, it's the same as Korean GB70, except Korean GB70 has 5MP camera (good one!) and DBM TV.
I would buy Galaxy Note instead, even if you don't need a phone. I think Samsung now goes the way Apple did before Steve Jobs returned. Too many products, in the end none of them done properly. Just look how many Galaxy Tabs are there now. It's a joke.
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I would not buy it. Omap cameras suck, that's what cheap LG devices use. Also the omap dualcore in GB70D isn't the same as exynos or tegra. As for 5.0 series, it's the same as Korean GB70, except Korean GB70 has 5MP camera (good one!) and DBM TV.
I would buy Galaxy Note instead, even if you don't need a phone. I think Samsung now goes the way Apple did before Steve Jobs returned. Too many products, in the end none of them done properly. Just look how many Galaxy Tabs are there now. It's a joke.
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If you're talking about an Int Galaxy Note, I had one & sold it. I'm currently using an AT&T Galaxy Note. I seriously thought the new version of the SGP would be awesome with dual core, hence my reason in wanting one.
Since I was able to cancel my YP-GB70D 32GB order, I'm either going to find a cheap alternative or just buy more batteries for my I717. I would save a ton if I went with more batteries route.
Hmmm this is interesting... I haven't had any of these issues with my YP-GB70D. I don't use the camera on it however. I've only used the front facing camera with Skype and haven't had any complaints from the other end.
I just got a used GP70+ (YP-GB70D). I am quite disappointed with it - the major problem is the Adobe Flash performance of videos played in the web browser.
The GP70+ has flash 10.3 installed. Since Flash player is no longer available in Google Play, I use backup copies from my other phones and tablets and .apks from apktop. Flash 11 does NOT work - either causes force closes, or start playing and freezes. I installed the last version of Flash 10 before 11 (10.3.186.7), and it can only play up to 480p video - NO HD Flash, that completely freezes.
This is really unacceptable for a dual core OMAP4430 device. My GP5.0 and the Galaxy S phone has a single core Hummingbird CPU. It has Flash 11.1 and can play up to 720p Flash video in the browser.
The device also feels a little sluggish for a dual core tablet, even when using GO Launcher. It has a 800 x 480 screen, which is lower resolution than eg. Kindle Fire (which also has OMAP4430), the GPU drives fewer pixels and everything should be faster.
The screen is also not as bright and crisp as the GP5.0, not to mention the AMOLED screen of the Galaxy S or S2.
One big plus is that 1080p STORED videos (MP4, DIVX) play flawlessly with MX player - MX player shows that hardware decoding is enabled. HW acceleration is NOT supported in the single core GP5.0, and it can only play up to 720p (some not all, depending on bitrate).
P.S. By the way, if any GP70+ owners want a copy of the rooted firmware of this player (GB70KRLD2), please post your request here or PM me (I don't want the upload link to be killed quickly). I searched high and low and finally found it in a Chinese forum (Google Translate saves the day!). Thank goodness it was still good for download.
mobile flash is dead..in one year it will be frogoten..all web is swithing to html 5 videos.And it should be frogoten becuse it is so poorly coded.
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DZonikg said:
mobile flash is dead..in one year it will be frogoten..all web is swithing to html 5 videos.And it should be frogoten becuse it is so poorly coded.
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Well I just hope that it is not the Android story all over again - rushed to get implemented, years to improve.