I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
Anybody else have a rant to want to put down concerning the thunderbolt or gingerbread?
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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
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Yes...Thunderbolt in particular seems to be a beast of a different color.
Although, I'm positive that isn't the entire reason they roll out slowly. OTAs that roll out must be majorly checked from every angle since one minor problem could force them to replace thousands of devices for free (since they are forced) not to mention the damage to their reputation, support, etc. Add on the stipulations carriers have and their customizations and time really adds up.
Well usually verizon takes forever to approved builds to.make sire they don't have bugs, EVO got a high update and they have to release another shortly after and the cost money, the dinc 2 got theirs cause it got an European brother and it had more time to be refine , and the thunderbolt who knows I just one sense 2.1 and no buggy update, as long as we get ice cream update in timely manner I'm good or if we get a nexus phone with LTE I'm swicthcing for sure
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I don't get why people complain when they have a stable build now or have the option to root? Why complain about what the others have?
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I don't get why people complain when they have a stable build now or have the option to root? Why complain about what the others have?
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It's human nature. Watch two monkeys, give one a banana, give the other nothing. Watch the second monkey's reaction.
Well, I for one would like to see a good leak or formal release of GB because the current leak sucks. Yeah, some devs have made some great headway in making it usable, but starting from a base that functions properly would bring a very novel thing to the Tbolt.... stability!
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I don't get it. Why does HTC make gingerbread available for some phones so quick and others (THUNDERBOLT) have to wait so dang long to get the official release? Are each of their phones that different and that complex that making a stable and bugfree version takes that much effort? It hurts to know HTC, Google, and Verizon can't get their act together faster. I still love all three companies though...yes i actually love google and verizon.
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Google really has nothing to do with this. They have already put out 2.3. It's now up to HTC to Sense it up and get the build to Verizon, and then up to Verizon to bloat the crap out of it, and then check for bugs.
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It's human nature.
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yep, sure is. BUT!
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Watch two monkeys, give one a banana, give the other nothing. Watch the second monkey's reaction.
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you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
/no flame
/just thought it was funny
/I lol'd
/no evolution argument
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yep, sure is. BUT!
you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
/no flame
/just thought it was funny
/I lol'd
/no evolution argument
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As you said, no evolution talk. ^_^
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you used monkeys to make an example of "human nature"
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AH, crap, I wasn't the first to notice this!
Loved the irony and malaprop. Plus, everyone is a monkey when they go into the voting booth.
Could the wait for Gingerbread have something to do with the 4G radio?
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Could the wait for Gingerbread have something to do with the 4G radio?
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The complexity of having the 3G and 4G in separate chips might have something to do with it.
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The complexity of having the 3G and 4G in separate chips might have something to do with it.
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I doubt it the EVO 4G got their update already.and got froyo in no time when it came out and it has 2 radios too
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I doubt it the EVO 4G got their update already.and got froyo in no time when it came out and it has 2 radios too
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Can't compare wimax to lte. Wimax is basically just wifi on steroids and uses the same implimentation as normal wifi with a few modifications. LTE however is a whole new protocol that's totally different than anything previously on a verizon phone.
Gingerbread?
Yeah I'm getting pissed that they haven't released 2.3 for the tbolt yet. Also, apparently HTC isn't going to release the new Sense (3.0?) for any of their phones that are already out! wtf?! So i'm considering rooting my phone. ive heard you can get gingerbread and the new sense by doing so, however ive never rooted before. Any chance someone could clue me in if there are solid working versions of 2.3 and the new sense out there? is the rooting worth the risk? should i just wait untill the tbolt officially gets 2.3 to root for the new sense? any insight would be great!
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Yeah I'm getting pissed that they haven't released 2.3 for the tbolt yet. Also, apparently HTC isn't going to release the new Sense (3.0?) for any of their phones that are already out! wtf?! So i'm considering rooting my phone. ive heard you can get gingerbread and the new sense by doing so, however ive never rooted before. Any chance someone could clue me in if there are solid working versions of 2.3 and the new sense out there? is the rooting worth the risk? should i just wait untill the tbolt officially gets 2.3 to root for the new sense? any insight would be great!
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The "risk" is miniscule if you just read and follow directions
use my sticky http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168433 to figure out what you need.
Yeah, been wondering that myself?
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Honestly I think HTC is shorting us by not giving us 3.0 so the only reason I'm going to get this is we can port 3.0 to it. So what are the odds? How hard is going to be?
I guess they want more development time to set up Sense on Honeycomb and possibly to push it out sooner so people get this rather than Xoom...
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The first day we have a compatible kitchen, I'll have the port out. Can make that in 10 minutes.
I.e if they haven't switched from RUU to something new...
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The first day we have a compatible kitchen, I'll have the port out. Can make that in 10 minutes.
I.e if they haven't switched from RUU to something new...
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Good sir you are why im buying this device. Thank you very much
Does the digitizer make porting Honeycomb more difficult (i.e., because it's not designed for styluses)? I'm on the fence about the Flyer, but developer support would be a huge plus.
+1 for honeycomb development.
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Does the digitizer make porting Honeycomb more difficult (i.e., because it's not designed for styluses)? I'm on the fence about the Flyer, but developer support would be a huge plus.
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I feel the same way although I'm 99% sure ill get it anyway. I don't see the point in 10" tablets. If I was going to carry a bulky device, I'd sooner take my laptop as its far more useful and weighs abt the same as the 10" tablets.
Have used the Galaxy Tab for a few months now and its the form factor which makes is useful to me - will fit in your pocket if you really need a free hand.
My only other concern is performance. With the majority of honeycomb tablets sporting the Tegra 2 chipset, does this mean apps will be designed with those specs in mind? Anyone know how the flyers Qualcom CPU?
Why want to port a buggy honeycomb if around 3 months later (Juni or July) there will be a official 3.0
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Why want to port a buggy honeycomb if around 3 months later (Juni or July) there will be a official 3.0
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No offense intended, but your question comes across ass a little troll-ish. Assuming you genuinely want an answer though:
1) Because apps for 3.0 are designed for tablet form-factor. If you have used any of the 2.x (or even earlier) tablets, you will know that many apps look horrible because they are either scaled up to full screen, or only appear as a 'small box' in the middle of the screen.
2) I love XDA - the Devs here are top-notch and I never have issues running early versions of the ROMs that are cooked up by XDA devs. The releases here are always way ahead of the manufacturer releases and that's kind of the whole point of the site. It lets DEVs get familiar with new platforms so that when oficial releases come out, they can be quickly ported to the 'official' build when HTC get around to releasing it.
3) Never hold your breath waiting for manufacturers to release updates. HTC are relatively quick to release updates compared to most manufacturers, but waiting for official updates can lead to pain and disappointment.
I was wondering this as well, but more in a general sense. I got an ipad from my work for winning a contest, I played with it, and I can't stand apple crap. So I'm going to sell it, looks like I can get about $450 for it on ebay. So I wanted to take that money and get a android tablet, and I was thinking I would wait for the honeycomb tabs to come out and come down in price a little. But then I thought why do that?? Especially since i'm running gingerbread on my Evo and it runs freaking awesome!
So any worries hardware or other with buying a froyo tab and rooting it and getting a honeycomb rom later? Any min specs one should look for etc..? I know it's slightly off topic sorry, but not really sure where I should post this
Thanks!!!
Do a little research next time, it WILL be released with Honeycomb. I can't post the link cause I don't have more then 8 posts, but if you google it, HTC tweeted that it will be released with 3.0.
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Do a little research next time, it WILL be released with Honeycomb. I can't post the link cause I don't have more then 8 posts, but if you google it, HTC tweeted that it will be released with 3.0.
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WTF?? What do you mean "IT will be released with honeycomb"? What is "IT"?? exactly?
anyways that post is old I bought a gtab
http://twitter.com/htc/status/48806237156016128
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Gotcha thanks, makes more sense now, but if you read my original post you'll see that I don't have an htc tablet and that it was just a general question
But if you port it you will lose the gaming experience app forgot the real name and HTC said they are going to update 2 honeycomb
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But if you port it you will lose the gaming experience app forgot the real name and HTC said they are going to update 2 honeycomb
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Yea, but you have to pay to use OnLive. I don`t think many people are going to bother with it.
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Yea, but you have to pay to use OnLive. I don`t think many people are going to bother with it.
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And seems people's 3g plan can't hold the bandwidth for a few hours per month...
Hd2 desire s build xda app.
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But if you port it you will lose the gaming experience app forgot the real name and HTC said they are going to update 2 honeycomb
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didnt google say there licencing wont allow 2.x products to upgrade to honeycomb?
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didnt google say there licencing wont allow 2.x products to upgrade to honeycomb?
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Unless given express permission by mr Google, and the flyer/evo tablet got the green light
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Unless given express permission by mr Google, and the flyer/evo tablet got the green light
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Yeah, now all they need is the source. Can't understand why Google would hold back the source from HTC but...
@htc
HTC
@Geekhangover We will be offering a Honeycomb upgrade when it’s made available. What feature are you most excited about?
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Honestly I think HTC is shorting us by not giving us 3.0 so the only reason I'm going to get this is we can port 3.0 to it. So what are the odds? How hard is going to be?
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Before u spend ur money. You should know that the has no RUU released. And any system posted of the xoom that's not the WiFi version moto keeps having the links removed. And to top it all off the system dump can not be deodexed. I have even tried myself. The only version of 3.0 that can be ported is SDK and nothing works on it... T-Mobile will be releasing an honeycomb tab but know Google it will be locked too... And its not HTC's falt honeycomb will never meet sense. Google will not allow any overlays of any kind of honeycomb. That means no blur or sense...
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Hello all, I'm currently using a Nexus One on T-Mo but am probably going to jump back to Sprint here soon. I had been looking to get the Evo3D, but fear that it's going to be locked down as the Thuderbolt was. I understand you guy were able to gain root on the Thunderbolt recently, but only because you got an engineering something or other, I don't remember exactly. My question here is, what would the chances have been of the phone being rooted the normal brute force way. Would we have been looking at possibly months or more, or was it just a matter of days. I ask cause if the Evo3D is going to be locked down and may take months or more to crack, I may just go with the Nexus S for now.
Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Well it looks like HTCs phones are going to be locked up tight. Not really sure about the EVO3D but I wouldn't be surprised if it had a locked bootloader etc.
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Yeah... HTC makes me sad all day for locking their bootloaders, samsung is looking more and more attractive. Sammy's phones don't even put up a fight, sometimes getting root before they're even released to general public
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Yes and our GPS works flawlessly
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Mine sure does. A thousand times better than my Facinate did.
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Cause the TB wasn't rooted before it came out right?
Samsung is looking attractive just because they don't lock their bootloaders? What kind of logic is that? Look at the Galaxy series, those phones were crap, full of lag, horrible GPS, etc.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I was just referring to the first "Galaxy" set that came out. The S 4G, S II, and their releases this year have been stellar. But neither of those are on VZW . I would snatch up the SII in a second if it was on VZW.
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Ah, where to begin I'm guessing that you misunderstood what I said, or maybe I worded it wrong. In my previous post I was merely making a gross generalization. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love HTC for their build quality and the fact that my G2 (being over a year old) STILL puts up a decent fight against new devices. What I meant was that given a choice I will always support a manufacturer that keeps their devices unlocked (like samsung). Yes, samsung has had some pretty dismal failures in the phone department, but what about the Nexus S 4G? Not to mention the fact that according to a few websites, they seem to be learning from their mistakes and putting out great devices recently (matter of opinion though). I can't really see how my logic is flawed for wanting MY device to have an unlocked bootloader, it's just a standard I'm developing. As far as the thunderbolt getting root before release.... stuff happens unexpectedly and I'm glad the TB got root so soon. Newer HTC devices however are looking at much better lockups on their bootloaders though and I would rather not have to risk a brick to flash my heart out. But these are all my own opinions, you have yours but these are mine.
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I'm in the same boat. I'm not going to buy a phone that's locked up tight. HTC better learn real quick that there are a lot of people like this. I was going to buy a honeycomb tablet if they came out with one because based on their phones I figured it would be pretty open. Now it looks like I'll have to go elsewhere. Maybe since a tablet won't be tied to a carrier they'll be more relaxed. I hope anyway...
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I hear you. Some company will eventually embrace modders and devs, I just wanted it to be HTC. Oh well, sad day
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It seems we've gone a bit off topic. I have been reading all the comments and have learned that Sammy isn't doing what HTC is starting to do with locking their bootloaders, something I didn't know before this thread, good to know. But the question I presented hasn't really been answered yet. How long, rough gestimation, would it take to crack the bootloader of the new phones HTC is coming out with. Are we talking weeks or months or more. I know this a question that can't be easily answered with a specific answer, but I'm looking more for how likely they are to be cracked in a timely manner. I'm not a hacker, cracker or code breaker so I really don't even know where to begin with trying to answer this question, hence why I put it forth here, on the forum of a phone that was locked and got unlocked hoping a dev could give me some info on weather getting the forthcoming Evo3D is a good idea for someone who want's to root the phone. I am however leaning back towards the Nexus s 4G because of this thread, but since money won't allow that at the moment, I'm exploring my options until the time I can afford a new phone.
The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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The thunderbolt was rooted becuase we reverted to an older leaked rom which allowed us to bypass the whole signed bootloader. (I think) You might want to look into the incredible s which was released several months ago and has yet to me cracked. The security measures taken to lock down the G2 are not the same as the ones used on newer HTC devices. I don't think we'll be seeing any permanent root access HTC in a long time. Months at the very least.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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Thank you, that was exactly what I was looking for. Sad news indeed. I'm guessing the Nexus S 4G is where I'm headed then, unless a Galaxy S 2 is slated to come out on sprint anytime soon that is. I'd really like to get a root-able, dual core, high resolution, bad ass phone if I'm going to be upgrading from my N1.
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I've been reading around about this (disappointing) news of HTC's lockdown using signed bootloaders, etc. and from what I have read, it seems like the crackers have indicated they are going to have a helluva time. A few tweets from jcase's twiiter page (whose opinions I personally value, YMMV):
If you want root, don't buy an yet to be rooted phone
[email protected] signed recovery, signed kernel, signed hboot, and write protection. won't buy [email protected] devices like that
HTC now MORE dev unfriendly than Motorola.
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Looks pretty dreary for new HTC phones.
Droid, which has signed bootloader, is still locked, and it's pretty long on the market. It's a matter of years, if not eternity. It's f***ing hard to crack those keys.
What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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What I don't understand is why HTC is doing this. You might think that it's the carriers pressuring them, but if Sammy, Sony Erricson, and Moto are or are soon going to be releasing phone without locked bootloaders, why does HTC feel the need to start now when they haven't in the past?
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It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
mbh87 said:
It's a pretty simple answer. Money.
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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How does a locked bootloader equal money?
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Easy, keeps people using htc products, and makes us pay for tethering. Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using.... Sucks
Edit: or whatever manufacturer made your device
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Easy, keeps people using htc products
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How
and makes us pay for tethering.
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The carriers have already shown that they can detect unofficial tethering
Also makes sure that they know what ruu you're using
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Why does it matter?
I have my MoPho rooted but there are only 2 roms for it. If you go over and look at the Atrix developers forum they have a ton of support.
The phones are similar, why isn't there much rom development for the Photon as there is the Atrix.
Does anyone know if the Cyanogen Mod is going to be made to work for the photon?
before anyone else says it. GO LEARN HOW TO DEVELOP AND MAKE YOUR OWN ROM
just saving everyone the trouble. i dont really mean it lol
We got source last week and the devs disappeared we will have new roms real soon
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easier said than done. About 13yrs ago I was into development with computers and stuff but a LOT has changed since then. I wouldn't know where to start now days.
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easier said than done. About 13yrs ago I was into development with computers and stuff but a LOT has changed since then. I wouldn't know where to start now days.
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here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060199
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here you go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060199
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Well that would be useful if I had time to learn everything and create roms myself.
the sgs2 for sprint was announced. this phone was horribly placed in terms of release dates. a lot of people jumped on the evo3d bandwagon, now the sgs2 is coming out soon and not too long after is the release of the new nexus.
once the epic touch is released expect these forums to die down a lot more... unless the et4g sucks... in which we might get a few more users
I heard the et4g kills baby kittens. Does that help?
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the sgs2 for sprint was announced. this phone was horribly placed in terms of release dates. a lot of people jumped on the evo3d bandwagon, now the sgs2 is coming out soon and not too long after is the release of the new nexus.
once the epic touch is released expect these forums to die down a lot more... unless the et4g sucks... in which we might get a few more users
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Shabby are you staying with us or leaving for the sgs2?
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i got my photon on the way, i have no interest in teh sgs2, the next phone i want is teh nexus prime
shabbypenguin said:
i got my photon on the way, i have no interest in teh sgs2, the next phone i want is teh nexus prime
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Do it up son!!
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I just got the Photon and am going to work on porting CyanogenMod to it... so expect that as an option when I finish it. Not sure how difficult it will be since this is my first Moto device.
This is the first phone that I was happy with out of the box. But with development, well at my age, its better than sex! Lol
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This is the first phone that I was happy with out of the box. But with development, well at my age, its better than sex! Lol
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mrinehart93 said:
I just got the Photon and am going to work on porting CyanogenMod to it... so expect that as an option when I finish it. Not sure how difficult it will be since this is my first Moto device.
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I'm out of thanks for the day, but you will get one soon enough from me I'm sure. That being said, how hard is 'porting' and what exactly does that mean? I think I get the idea but how is it done really?
I would love to learn how to do this. I am slowly getting into theming a little, but am no where close to releasing anything yet, first off I am a perfectionist and second I am just learning the basics now.
Would love to start reading up on the whole porting aspect of stuff.
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I'm out of thanks for the day, but you will get one soon enough from me I'm sure. That being said, how hard is 'porting' and what exactly does that mean? I think I get the idea but how is it done really?
I would love to learn how to do this. I am slowly getting into theming a little, but am no where close to releasing anything yet, first off I am a perfectionist and second I am just learning the basics now.
Would love to start reading up on the whole porting aspect of stuff.
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Porting is basically making the proper changes for the rom/kernel/theme to be compatible with another device. Just do a Google search and you can find other threads talking about it.
If you don't have any code experience it will be tough going to learn. If you are already trying to learn how to theme than this is good place to start because knowing the directory structure and where things are located will help.
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i got my photon on the way, i have no interest in teh sgs2, the next phone i want is teh nexus prime
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Yeah I do too, but I'm not going back to big red. I think that it's a Verizon exclusive so far.
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no the tech sites need to read between the lines. was there a nexus being shown off around big v's hq? yea.. wanna guess why? because out of the top four carriers in teh us they are the only ones without a nexus device..
there are rumors of verizon getting a droid prime which if thats the case yet again they will be without a nexus device (cant call it something else) my guess is because they want the hardware but their carrier bloat crap on it
The photon is an awsome phone and with tegra 2 thd games it beats my gfs evo shift hands down. I tried the evo3d and wasnt impressed. Its really buggy and likes to get stuck in 3d mode. The sales rep even told me to go with the photon which was cheaper meaning less commissions. She had came from doing repairs to sales and she said the evo3d was a waste of money and told me all the horror stories they were having at the repair center with them.
I know sprint has some phones comimg out soon that are going to be better but work with what we have first.
I found my old htc tilt and it still has more dev than the photon.
Im someone who isnt all about games. I like preformance, battery life and apps to make my day more productive.
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I think a lot of Sprint customers were like me... the MoPho came out, we yawned, and had zero interest in it regardless of specs because it was Motorola... and we all knew Motorola was the essence of pure toxic TiVO-ized evil in AT&T/Verizon-land. They encrypted their bootloaders in ways that couldn't be trivially cracked, and bent over backwards to lock down everything they could.
Then Google bought Motorola, the sun came out, the birds started singing, the sourcecode got released, and suddenly the MoPho became interesting.
Just a heads up. The end of July is 10 weeks, so let's hope its closer to June...
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
Aight coo
Did I just assume when I bought it that it would be in the first wave? Or did they actually say that when the Rezound was launched? I honestly can't remember.
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Did I just assume when I bought it that it would be in the first wave? Or did they actually say that when the Rezound was launched? I honestly can't remember.
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I think it was supposed to be "first quarter" which I guess is in June now.
Once again, I'll believe it when I see the OTA notification on my phone.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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If you want incessant updates that constantly disables jailbreak you're more than welcome to hit up ios.
I don't really see what the problem is other just impatience. People who don't do custom roms still have a perfectly useable phone on GB, and those who can't wait have a lot of extra options.
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my first thought was "if this is another crappy article making radical claims someones getting an angry letter"
good to hear =)
should be happy the ETA isn't in 2013 at the current rollout rates hehe
tekhna said:
I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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And look at the GNex. Six months after release and still on 4.0.2. If you have one of those you must really be steaming. What happened to the Google Experience?
tonictonic said:
If you want incessant updates that constantly disables jailbreak you're more than welcome to hit up ios.
I don't really see what the problem is other just impatience. People who don't do custom roms still have a perfectly useable phone on GB, and those who can't wait have a lot of extra options.
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Another thing I hate--false dichotomies. If I want updates iOS, if I want a bigger screen and openness, Android.
BS. It's possible to have both. If, for example, HTC had stuck to their hero device model and ONLY released a One X, S, and V, do you think updates would be difficult? Nope. It'd be easy.
Samsung? Well, updates would be easy too if they release a GSM GS3, a CDMA/LTE GS3 and a GSM/LTE GS3, but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
Release fewer, better models. Easier software updates. Not hard. Not iOS.
tekhna said:
Another thing I hate--false dichotomies. If I want updates iOS, if I want a bigger screen and openness, Android.
BS. It's possible to have both. If, for example, HTC had stuck to their hero device model and ONLY released a One X, S, and V, do you think updates would be difficult? Nope. It'd be easy.
Samsung? Well, updates would be easy too if they release a GSM GS3, a CDMA/LTE GS3 and a GSM/LTE GS3, but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
Release fewer, better models. Easier software updates. Not hard. Not iOS.
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I only half disagree with this. If it were up to HTC/Samsung/Google/etc. all the devices, more than likely, would be kept up to date, and in a somewhat timely fashion.
Look at the Verizon GNex. Do you think Google and Samsung don't have a working build of 4.0.4 on it? Sure they do. Verizon just isn't happy with it, for whatever reason. Same thing applies to 90% of phones in the US.
The international, unlocked versions of phones get the newer updates faster than their US counterparts, and the cell companies have a huge impact on that.
I'm not saying manufacturers and Google don't deserve some of the blame, because they do; they're pretty lazy and complacent in a way that Apple would never be. But I think Verizon is more at fault than any other party, and I'd like to see the cell companies get more heat than Google over this stuff lately.
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but I'd guess by December we'll have the Galaxy S3 Skyrocket HD Supreme LTE 5G Maxxx.
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Oh, my, God. I must have that device. Lol awesome name.
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I'm getting really sick of this ****. It's been 6 months since ICS came out, and very, very few phones have ICS. It's embarrasing and starting to make me reconsider Android. I'm happy rooted and ROMed, but you shouldn't need to hack your phone to get updates.
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I don't care about whether or not stock phones can get updates or not. The only point I'll start getting annoyed is when it starts becoming difficult to even ROM the phone. In our case, we don't have kernel source. In my world, that's the only real big issue with fragmentation: With so many different hardware configurations out and more and more proprietary software sprouting up (the plethora grows!), getting someone to create a stable ROM and maintain it becomes ever harder.
All this choice is good for people with different things in mind and even though ICS is the business, Gingerbread (IMO) is still pretty sweet. Stock Gingerbread, that is. But boy, now we're having a hard time getting kernels made, the number of devices we have are definitely starting to outpace the number of developers with the time on their hands, etc.
Really you guys don't see a problem with it taking so long to get updates? I know I do. So maybe we will have an update in 6-8 weeks and kernel source in 8-10 that's great. I often wonder what HTC does all day. Must be a pretty laid back place to work.
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I'm sick of these "announcements". Not because of not having ICS (because we do) but the amount "announcements" we have had that were bull****.
Yea but most of these "announcements" have obviously been fake. I don't recall HTC ever putting anything out saying when they would roll updates out. I could be wrong though as I haven't given it too much attention
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I'm sick of these "announcements". Not because of not having ICS (because we do) but the amount "announcements" we have had that were bull****.
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This is the first word from HTC regarding the update. In reality, all the other "announcements" were unconfirmed rumors.
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Just a heads up. The end of July is 10 weeks, so let's hope its closer to June...
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
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only 10 weeks...this puts how short the summer is into perspective. i think ill sit back and try to stop obsessively checking the forums for nebulous ics updates and enjoy the summer. hell we worry more about it then some devs do
The problem is, is that if the upgrade is slated to hit at the end of July, it'll be August possibly before we get kernel source since it usually takes like two weeks for source to release.
We don't get updates because of device/carrier fragmentation. Each level of choice is an opportunity for the manufacturer or carriert to differentiate their product or service. This is necessary to be competitive with its industry rivals and to continue to grow sales, thus making shareholders happy. It becomes difficult to allocate resources to support such a wide range of hardware apps and carrier specific needs, so the choice has to be made, which device to support. Then it becomes a question as to, support for which user base will benefit the company most. But this always come behind pushing the newest product, as support is an expense which only produces goodwill. That being said they almost always promise that whatever their selling will be fully supported and updated expeditiously.
I have noticed that the Rezound ROMs were coming out fast and furious, new ROMs, updates and improvements on an almost daily basis. And then 2 or 3 weeks ago it just stopped. Lots of active threads in the Dev section, but nothing really new has come out?
Are devs waiting for the OTA, which won't be here for another few months, or has the Rezound just run its course and the new phones that are coming out are taking the lead and Dev time now?
The Rezound is great, but lets face it, it is now second tier as their replacements are already out, and they won't official get ICS till July or August, making them even less desirable to Devs to spend time on a phone that will likely stop being sold before too long?
My fear is that the Rezound will take too long to get ICS OTA and source code released, and by the time it is, the phone will be on its way out the door, there are newer better phones out that Devs will feel it is better to spend their time on, etc...
Thoughts?
Hasn't stopped. I know Scott's working on a one x rom, Newt just released an update and Joelz is rebasing his rom which should be awesome.
I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
well there's great significance when it comes to updating immediately to the newest leaks, after that period it's back to timed updates and changes
new phones will slowly kill, but it's not that development slowed down, there just hasn't been any trigger for another immediate and curt developmental spike
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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I still see some activities going on in the Inc development forums, so I'd say yes
The Rezound is a great phone with a great Dev community and in my opinion still has plenty of life left in it.
We had 3 leaks in a matter of a month. Nothing lately so nothing much to update.
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Even though there will be a ton of newer better phones on the market, do you really see things picking back up on an "older" phone like the Rezound?
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Yeah, of course. Dude, this thing is barely more than 6 months old!
a.mcdear said:
I have been working hard to get Team Eos AOSP working on my phone, but still stuck with RIL like everybody else at this point. Once there is source for ICS, development will go ballistic again. Don't worry.
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protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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Development is still going pretty hard behind the scenes, I don't see it dropping off for a few months at least. The devs are still working just as hard as they ever have, its just that people seem to complain a lot about wiping and reflashing every few days, and as roms progress the updates are fewer and further between. There's also a lot that goes on behind the scenes that isnt posted on the forums, in the last couple of weeks, last three weeks I guess, I think the biggest advances and accomplishments on the rezound yet have happened, in my opinion. Most of which hasn't been posted yet because they're tieing up loose ends.
I do think you're right about the fact that a lot of us will be moving on to New devices shortly after kernel source is released, when a quad core beast hits Verizon with super specs, something probably the next step above the one s and one x.
But I think we havent begun to see this phone's potential yet and with another leak or OTA and kernel source its really going to be a beast. I could see it having a pretty long lifespan kinda like the OG Droid. A lot of us will probably buy new hardware eventually that may take time to get rooted and s off and this phone will be capable enough to feed our custom rom and kernel addictions until the new phones we get are exploited.
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I'm also thinking that if Newt was asked to remove the tweaks from his ROM because "there were too many similar ROMs", perhaps the same was asked of Bored which would personally p!ss me off. Who cares if some ROMs are very similar, they all have little differences.
If that's really the case, maybe Scott was asked the same. After all, CleanROM, CleanROM Pro and CleanROM DE are all the same but with more stuff removed.
drmanhattan said:
protekk fixed ril if u really have something in the works and ril is holding u up hit him up on twitter @protekkfzs
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
Wow. IMO this phone is just too darn good to waste my money on a retail upgrade (and marginal one at that).
I came from the D1 and within months I was constantly flashing roms and tweaking trying to whip a few extra ponies into it.
Otherwise, in 5 months with the Rezound I've flashed 2-3 times and just s-off'd this weekend. I've had basically no issues and it's nice not to have to babysit my phone to get it to run the way I want it to. Just rock solid, and the development is great.
I can appreciate that everyone is looking for something different, but myself I just need a couple of good roms and I'm set.
Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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Not gonna lie, if in another month or two, we don't have anything new, this phone is getting traded out.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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He does have a point. Look at our roms. Mostly all the same minus themes, same tweaks all across the board. Whats different? What stands out ? .
Im not flaming any devs or saying they should do more, they do a fine job actually. But its true. We lack true options. Sense 4 yes, its different and good but still needs working. Aosp is still being worked on and no one knows if itll get to work in the end or not.
I see newer phones dev section, say the one s, there flying with tons of roms, aosp. And im sure kernel dev will rise once source is out.
I know ril is our problem, but still. You cant fault someone esle giving up, nobody expected us tobe just stuck with sense. I know i didnt, but ill deal with it in the meantime
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Using a bolt ATM that I thought would never get any good ROMS, well its got as many options as any phone out there. Pretty much all HTC phones due to the boot loader if nothing else are going to have good dev sections. If u wanna see a sad dev section check out all moto phones with exception of the atrix and that is only BC they found a unloclable BL or something of that sort in a leak.
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What are you expecting? Somehow get Android 5? Sense 5?
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I'm just saying if development just stalls then I might leave this phone, I do want a popular dev'ed phone without it being the GNex.
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I've seen no evidence of a fully working RIL...everything is "we're close."
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Protekk or dmeadows posted on twitter that the RIL was complete but they were working on the firmware to match it, and that was the hold up.