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I'm trying to make sense of the real difference between the EVO3D's 4GB of internal memory and the Photon/Within's supposed 16+ GB of internal memory.
Is this difference really something to be concerned/though about?
The way I see it, we have been running with 1 GB in most phones in recent history, and most of us just touch the limits of the memory with apps, etc. With the extra headroom of 4GB, I'm not sure there is too much concern for running out of app space (crosses fingers).
So, what is the rest of the memory for? Media? I understand that the internal memory might be faster, but SD cards have already been shown to be fast enough for most purposes (and I believe the Green Hornet comes on the SD card). IIRC, it was quite an anomaly to have the Nexus S store media and other files on the internal memory when it came out.
So, does the 4 GB concern, given the ability to get 32 GB on SD? Or is it a real advantage for the competitors?
It might have something to do with recording in 1080p or 3d . The internal would be faster to record to . Just my thought
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Anytime you write/read to internal its always going to be faster than reading from a SD card. This also holds true with your desktop. Reading from your DDR2/3 Memory will always be faster than reading from your SSD/HDD. I think this is where the above poster actually gives some credibility about his claims.
I don't see the big deal. 4Gb is a decent amount of internal. How many people are going to actually need 16gb of internal space? I'm sure someone will reply and tell me they need it for this and this but I'm sure a large percent will do just fine with 4gb. People do just fine with 1gb.
If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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My thoughts as well. Funny though, isn't Qualcomm (HTC's chip provider) the one thats going to do a gaming pack?
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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even with 4-8 times the storage on those phones, they are only using 2x as much for app installation, correct? 1GB v 2GB?
I would rather have a 4gb internal and my 16gb class10 sd card then to have 10gn internal w/ no way to use a sd card with it, but then again I keep my 8gb card that came with the evo set up fully as a back-up card, i have a nandroid back-up and main files i use on my sd card set up on my 8gb cardd so all i have to do it restore and go if anything happens and I have to get a new phone.
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If you download a lot of games then yes go with the SGS or photon.
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If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
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If you are looking for a phone to do gaming on you should chose Samsung Within due to terga2 over a phone with larger internal storage
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It is not confirmed that the Within will have Tegra2, actually, it is highly likely it will have Exynos. The Photon is confirmed to have Tegra2. Also, the SGS2 is likely to have the highest amount of internal storage, with the Photon having the second largest.
I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I would have loved the 3D to have more internal storage but coming from the 4G it is still a considerable upgrade. Personally I never had an issue with the 1GB on the 4G so I don't consider the 3D's 4GB a liability.
The lower amount of storage on the 3D was probably a way to keep the final cost down given the other specs to make it affordable and I'm fine with that; $199 s a great price for what you get!
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I agree we are getting a lot of phone for the money..I thought the same thing with the 4g..now we get a processor that more than twice as fast and four times the internal memory..I don't use a lot of games but my SD card has atleast 10 Roms and 4 full nandroid backups andive never run out of memory..mof I have at least 2 gb left..and that's with stock sd
I suspect there will be far less than 4g actually usable..
I got a low memory error one time so I went thru and unistalled a bunch of stuff I never used. No problem since. And I could probably delete even more stuff.
even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
4GB's of internal on the 3D will be plenty for me. Only recently have I started to have issues with running out of space on the EVO. Ended up just moving a bunch of apps to SD card and all is fine again.
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even 4GB's isn't a whole lot, I always end up with the issue of running out of space on my evo, I switch roms constantly, so Apps to sd doesn't really work for me, I'm hoping I can get away with tons of games installed on just 4gbs.
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the built in a2sd sucks for this, but the a2sd (like DarkTremmors) that allot of the guys put into their roms works very well with this. I got a 4gd ext3 partition on my sd for this and i NEVER run out of space to install apps (in fact i dont even use 1gb up w/ close to 200 apps)
I'm not going to complain as it is a 16-fold increase of storage for me. Mmm... increased internal storage...
Add my 16 gig sd card and I think I'm golden.
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more then enough. This is set aside for apps and OS I believe, and the photon will be the same. The internal space will be partitioned probably for apps and then most of it for storage.
4gb internal is more then enough.
I can see large storage making sense on devices like the nexus s 4g and iPhone because you have no option for an external form of storage but 16/32gb of storage on a device with a micro sd slot is a bit much. I'm not saying they shouldn't make phones with that much, the more the better but I just don't think you need that much. I think 4gb is enough to last us until we upgrade next year.
For the people who plan on having this phone for a second year the internal storage may become an issue in 12-18 months. Next years gen of phones will bring bigger apps, bigger files.
So, I'm not eligible for an upgrade until 7/1. I know I could probably get it moved up to launch date, but I want to see what the general consensus is from the community before upgrading.
Anyhoo... on to my main point. One of the selling points for me is the 4GB of internal storage. Yet, one of the reviews I read pointed out that only a little over a Gig of that is what you have left to play with (I think it was the androidcentral hands-on vid, actually). Another review pointed out that some bloatware could be easily removed. To any of you getting your e3d on launch day (or really any time before 7/1 ), could you let the rest of us know how much space you are left with after removing some of the bloat?
I realize that I can install my apps to the SD card, which is what I'm doing now, but I really don't want to have to do that... Apps are always faster if run from internal memory.
Thanks in advance.
I think a gig of space is a pretty solid amount of app room (at least for me). I managed to happily enjoy my OG Evo with the space it gave me, without ever running into problems filling it up with apps. I guess I'm kind of a minimalist actually though. I don't like having 45-50 apps installed at once.
But I think once we can remove all the bloat, and streamline everything; the amount of available space on custom roms will be sufficient .
The guy I got the bootloader pics from said he had .98 gig after installing 35 apps.
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im sorry but this may just be me since i am coming from a hero.. but a gig is freaking huge.. the most i have ever been able to pull on my hero by altering things is like 170mb.. and i have a crap ton of apps installed, and dont fill that up.. i understand a gig would fill up with movies and potentially games (i dont play them really).. but for me, a gig will be more than enough for a long time, i will keep movies on sd..
I'm an app whore. I have 91 apps... I think.
It must have a lot of bloat (or a large swap area) to take up 3gigs considering how much the Evo 4G has to work with.
If space is really an issue for you, wait for SGSII. Coming from a Hero, 1GB for apps is HUGE. Replace that with a line from a Rob Schneider movie "HUGE *****" or VP Joe Biden "[email protected] Huge!", its enough for more than 200 apps
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...I realize that I can install my apps to the SD card, which is what I'm doing now, but I really don't want to have to do that... Apps are always faster if run from internal memory.
Thanks in advance.
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Can you tell me where you got that information? Cuz I'm not sure I'd agree. Have you actually done a speed comparison? SD card read speeds are much faster than SD write speeds, so I don't see where any speed penalty would come from having my apps on the card (which I do).
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Can you tell me where you got that information? Cuz I'm not sure I'd agree. Have you actually done a speed comparison? SD card read speeds are much faster than SD write speeds, so I don't see where any speed penalty would come from having my apps on the card (which I do).
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I know one thing any app you install on the card doesn't let you use it's widget, takes an extra minute to show up as available whenever you boot your phone. I have a brand new 32gb micro sd class 10 sitting here for my Evo 3d though. 1gb should be plenty for apps.
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im sorry but this may just be me since i am coming from a hero.. but a gig is freaking huge.. the most i have ever been able to pull on my hero by altering things is like 170mb.. and i have a crap ton of apps installed, and dont fill that up.. i understand a gig would fill up with movies and potentially games (i dont play them really).. but for me, a gig will be more than enough for a long time, i will keep movies on sd..
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I'm coming from a Hero too, so 1 GB is fine. I also plan on keeping my Hero, and probably won't have the same apps on both phones.
I own a Desire Z, but I got really frustrated that it has a slower CPU and less RAM than usual HTC phones and it sucks at running Sense 3.5 ROM-s. And I don't really use the physical keyboard. So I decided to switch my phone. Most important criteria for me is good multimedia options, good performance and long life from battery. So comparing HTC phones I found an interesting phone.
First EVO 3D, has 1 gig of RAM vs usual 768, and has that 3D thing that I don't really need, but also this phone is the cheapest in it's class or at least has the same price as the sensation or incredible s, which don't really have advantages vs this phone. Also 1730 mAh accumulator makes me happy.
So I wonder are there any cons to this phone ? And what other models will you recommend.
I'm not familiar with any of those phones, but I'd like to chip in a little general advice. Buy as much phone as you can afford and it's likely to have the multimedia and performance you want. If an extended battery is available, factor that into your overall price and, since you like toying with different ROM's, you can further tweak your battery usage with ROM's and kernels. Make sure whatever phone you choose has an active development following.
thanks for advice, but in the category I'm looking there isn't much price/functionality difference, they are all top class phones. I was more interested in specific model's pros and cons.
I've heard that sony xperia arc is pretty good phone, also if you are not into flashing roms, offical ics is already downloadable for arc. Also sgs2, nexus and galaxy note would be ok if you got a bit more money
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mmm... thanks I guess... but I was looking for something more specific, I hear things too, I was asking about specific cons and pros. And I think it was pretty clear that I am looking for an HTC, beacause I AM into flashing ROMs and I want a sense 3.5 interface.
I really don't get it, is my english that bad ? Or you guys post a reply just to post something and get your posts number up. thanks anyway.
the evo 3D is very slightly thicker (camera lens is the only part that makes it bigger)
evo 3d also weighs slightly more than the sensation.
evo 3d has a 3D 5MP camera
Sensation has a 8MP non-3D camera...
the 3D is very cool on the EVO to watch 3d videos on, but it takes crap 3D pictures...
as far as the screens go, the only difference is one has a 3d feature, one doesn't. otherwise they are both same res and physical size.
memory: sensation has 1GB memory...ugh
evo 3d has 4GB memory! (by memory I'm talkin internal storage...more = better!)
both have the same 1.2GHz dual core processor, but the EVO 3D has more ram making it a better multi-tasker
I would go with the Evo 3D...its more powerful, and more popular so it will have more accessories and developer support...
thanks for a great response ! Now I know that there's nothing wrong with EVO 3D and for the same price I get not only more RAM and internal storage, but also cool 3D effects, which is not something I'll use, but still, nice bonus
kkira13 said:
thanks for a great response ! Now I know that there's nothing wrong with EVO 3D and for the same price I get not only more RAM and internal storage, but also cool 3D effects, which is not something I'll use, but still, nice bonus
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Haha you'll use it! Once you see some you tube videos in 3d, you will get tripped out...I was playing with one in the sprint store, and watching a 3d youtube video of a guy reaching his arm out and it looked like his arm was sticking through the screen about 4 inches! I was very impressed of the 3d capability after that..
I must say the pictures I tried to take in 3d sucked. Guess it does ok at 3d video, and normal pictures look fine. Just 3d mode pics are blurry.
Would definitely recommend going to a sprint store and playing with the phones to make sure its the phone for you.
Hello just wondering if the 32gb is enough? I ordered one online and should arrive tomorrow but thinking about exchanging it at the store for a 64gb version. I will be taking a lot of pics and prolly Zoes. I heard the Zoes take up 1GB space each.
I think the 64 gb is an online exclusive man. The 32 gb is good for 90% of the people. Just remember to upload everything to the computer once a month or so. Last, I don't think Zoe takes that much space for one 30 sec video, but of course if you just use Zoe then it can become an issue. Good Luck!!
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I've put a lot on this phone so far. 1200 ebooks, roms for every emulator, tons of apps and games (humblebundle), plus nandroid backup and titanium backup. I still have 10GB left for pictures and videos. I think I have more than enough with 32GB...
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Hey everyone, I've encountered a little nuisance with my HTC One.
Under Storage the phone claims around 7GB is in use under "Other". However, when I plug the device into my computer via USB, I can't find any directories that are taking up this amount of space using Windows Explorer or Android Commander, which lets me down into the root of the filesystem.
FYI, I have Nova Launcher active as my primary UI, so I'm not even using Sense 5 at the moment. I know that 7GB can't just be Sense 5 + Built-in apps.
Anyone else seeing this and know what it is?
It actually probably is just Sense 5 and the AT&T bloat apps. Apparently Android along with the manufacturer's skins are pretty large now. Then add AT&T's useless apps that literally no one uses and you have 7gbs of storage being consumed. This is one of the reasons I'm going with the 64gb.
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its the system partition and you cant do anything about it. mine is 16 GB.
cachookaman said:
its the system partition and you cant do anything about it. mine is 16 GB.
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Wow, that's crap. What exactly is that being used for? There's no way 16gbs of space is reasonable at all.
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That's asinine that it reserves that much storage... Completely inexcusable when you factor in the lack of an SD card. Epic fail.
I think HTC realized that since they are releasing the Chinese version WITH microSD support... >_<
At least they aren't pulling the crap they used to - like with the Inspire - saying it had 4GB of storage but then formatting it for speed, dropping it to 2GB and leaving 1.3GB or so to the end user...
Still what the hell would they reserve a quarter of the storage for?!
im guessing the extra 9 GB that are part of my "other" are the SD card data for some of the apps i have installed. but it still seems excessive.
Ugh, now we're seeing the ugly side of the HTC One. I don't think I'm going to keep mine now. I can't justify 7GB of my 32GB taken up by the system when I don't even use Sense 5 or any of the AT&T apps. Especially since I can't add more space to the phone, it's just not a good deal for me.
It's a shame too, it's a sexy device.
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Ugh, now we're seeing the ugly side of the HTC One. I don't think I'm going to keep mine now. I can't justify 7GB of my 32GB taken up by the system when I don't even use Sense 5 or any of the AT&T apps. Especially since I can't add more space to the phone, it's just not a good deal for me.
It's a shame too, it's a sexy device.
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It's pretty common, honestly. The S4 also has around 7gbs of storage used.
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It's pretty common, honestly. The S4 also has around 7gbs of storage used.
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Yeah, but at least you can add an SD card to the phone to get some of that back.
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Yeah, but at least you can add an SD card to the phone to get some of that back.
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Yeah but have fun finding one that isn't a 16gb version. I played with both phones today. The HTC One is superior in almost every area. I wouldn't really consider the S4.
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Yeah but have fun finding one that isn't a 16gb version. I played with both phones today. The HTC One is superior in almost every area. I wouldn't really consider the S4.
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Agreed :good:
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Yeah but have fun finding one that isn't a 16gb version. I played with both phones today. The HTC One is superior in almost every area. I wouldn't really consider the S4.
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I'm curious, how is the HTC One superior?
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I'm curious, how is the HTC One superior?
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Camera, screen, speakers, CPU......
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spectrumfox said:
I'm curious, how is the HTC One superior?
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Ok. Take in mind that this is from someone who was dead set on getting the S4 only a week ago. I also want to add that my non-tech-savvy iPhone-using mother was with me at the AT&T store while I was comparing phones and also agreed that the One is better.
1. The screen is smaller on the One but it has better color reproduction and, when playing the trailer for 'Star Trek Into Darkness' on both devices, produced clearer results.
2. The One's software is much more optimized and runs smoother than that on the S4. In my half an hour of constant use with both devices, the One maybe had three instances of minor lag while the S4 produced lag (sometimes major lag) every few seconds. The S4's lag was most prominent when multitasking, hitting the back button, or going home. Switching between home screens produced some stuttering but was not terrible.
3. Speaking of software, the "features" on the S4 aren't that great. Probably the most difficult thing about using the S4 was trying out the Smart features. Many of them were pretty useless such as scrolling through web pages with hand gestures. However, it did actually work and work pretty well. I also really liked having the ability to answer the phone by waving in front of the phone and seeing some general information displayed on the phone after waving my hand in front of it while it was sleeping. But that's about as useful as it gets. I could never get Eye Tracking to work. Some kid beside me finally did after nearly a minute and a half of working with it which completely defeats the purpose of using it in the first place. None of the other features really worked well either making me wonder why Samsung decided to add them to the device and bog it down in the first place.
4. Build materials are pretty bland on the S4. I'm not going to criticize them for using plastic because plastic is durable enough, but I am going to criticize them for not really differentiating the phone from the S3 in terms of look. I was, however, impressed with how they implemented the 5" screen into such a compact and usable package, but that's about it. The S4 is no looker. My mom was also not a fan of the design, thinking at first that the hyper glazed finish was some sort of case and not the actual design.
5. Sound quality through the headphones was good on both devices but better on the One due to its added amplifier. The S4 had definitely improved over the S3 and maintained a pretty loud volume. The One was slightly louder and produced more dynamic results with great highs and lows. The average person would be happy with the sound quality from either, though.
6. The general Android apps such as Texting and Email are hardly changed on the S4. For some users, this will be fine. But, personally, I hate the stock Android Messaging app. I have a Nexus 4 and have used GoSMS since the day I purchased it. I don't understand why anyone would want to view a multiple picture MMS like a slideshow instead of each photo separately. Thankfully, the One does exactly that and has a rather perfect Messaging app. Of course, you can always download GoSMS or Handcent or something from the Play store, but the fact that this won't be necessary on the One is nice.
7. This is picky, but I really liked the One's keyboard. Like, a lot. I've been a stock Android keyboard user since ICS and I didn't think that choice would change with the purchase of any new phone. But the keyboard on the One is nice. Really nice. I almost never made mistakes on the keyboard when using it. On the S4, I couldn't stop making mistakes. If you're just going to use SwiftKey or the stock Android keyboard, this probably isn't a huge deal to you. But I found it shocking that I loved the One's keyboard.
So, yeah. This is a huge post but those are my honest opinions. I was as subjective as I possibly could be and my honest opinion is that the One is the better phone.
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The storage space being reflected in Other is from App Data.
HTC's storage doesn't give the user a run-down of the apps that are classified as Other when you select Other.
If I go to Storage on my Galaxy Note 10.1, and push Other (on the Galaxy Note 10.1, it is classified as Miscellaneous Files), I am given a run-down of the all of the app data that is classified as Other/Miscellaneous.
The Galaxy S3 (which I switched from to get The One) has it's storage implemented in the same way on the stock ROM.
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The storage space being reflected in Other is from App Data.
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Exactly, specifically the /data/data folder.
Whoever said it's the system partition is incorrect.
BTW, when you buy a 32GB device, that means 32GB total NAND storage. On the One it's broken down like this:
/system 1GB
/cache 629MB
/data and /sdcard (share the same partition) 22GB, or 54GB on a 64GB model.
The rest goes to modems (/firmware/mdm and /firmware/q6), secure (/data/secure/data and /mnt/asec), and miscellaneous other partitions (logs, etc.)
Every device on the market is this way, the total NAND space is divided up between a variety of things and the usable /data and /sdcard space is generally 80 to 85% of the total.
It's not supposed to be like that. I've had that issue a few times on my 32gb M7. Copied my files to PC. Formatted my SD card. Copied files back. Reclaimed about 14gb each time as far as I can remember. Then after a few weeks, the issue comes back out of nowhere.
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It's not supposed to be like that. I've had that issue a few times on my 32gb M7. Copied my files to PC. Formatted my SD card. Copied files back. Reclaimed about 14gb each time as far as I can remember. Then after a few weeks, the issue comes back out of nowhere.
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Yeah, I'm the same only 7gb though. Using TWRP I make a backup on my usb-otg. Wiped everything internal and restored from usb. Worked once or twice, didn't work today though. Probably is just system files.