[Q] Best Gingerbread ROM for GPS & Google Navigation - Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Does anyone have firsthand experience with using Google Navigation on the various Gingerbread ROMs out there?
I'd really like a CM7 or MIUI ROM but it seems like their GPS, even though it locks, doesn't seem to play well in Navigation. Thanks.

The gps problem is a hardware problem not a software problem meaning no matter how well devs make a rom the physical gps antenna is not capable of working to the same quality of the rom

Unfortunately none of the GB roms are going to match Froyo roms in terms of GPS compatibility and accuracy. Moreover, they all use the same hack so gps performance between the GB roms will be close. Unless Samsung and T-mobile release an official GB rom, there will always be little querks here and there. If you rely on GPS, I'd stick to a Froyo rom or buy an external bluetooth GPS.
whatever5 said:
The gps problem is a hardware problem not a software problem meaning no matter how well devs make a rom the physical gps antenna is not capable of working to the same quality of the rom
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That's not what he's asking.
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pepperbreath said:
Unfortunately none of the GB roms are going to match Froyo roms in terms of GPS compatibility and accuracy. Moreover, they all use the same hack so gps performance between the GB roms will be close. Unless Samsung and T-mobile release an official GB rom, there will always be little querks here and there. If you rely on GPS, I'd stick to a Froyo rom or buy an external bluetooth GPS.
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This is what I was afraid of Though I do appreciate knowing before going through the flashing process, thank you.

whatever5 said:
The gps problem is a hardware problem not a software problem meaning no matter how well devs make a rom the physical gps antenna is not capable of working to the same quality of the rom
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On GB ROMs it's a software problem.
My current Froyo ROM has near perfect GPS for Navigation, and I never applied the hardware antenna fix.

pepperbreath said:
Unfortunately none of the GB roms are going to match Froyo roms in terms of GPS compatibility and accuracy. Moreover, they all use the same hack so gps performance between the GB roms will be close. Unless Samsung and T-mobile release an official GB rom, there will always be little querks here and there. If you rely on GPS, I'd stick to a Froyo rom or buy an external bluetooth GPS.
That's not what he's asking.
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I know what he was asking and if you would read this you would understand it is a hardware problem for vibrants made before october of the year the vibrant came out and secondly if he does a hardware fix it would help him even more
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878970
jamesyl said:
On GB ROMs it's a software problem.
My current Froyo ROM has near perfect GPS for Navigation, and I never applied the hardware antenna fix.
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same goes for you, which is why you shouldn't talk as if you know everything ..... the hardware fix is the only solution so far if your on GB, I'm on GB and have tried every rom that say gps fixed and if you consider 220 to 40 meters accurate (721 ft to 131ft) then go for it otherwise zip it!! IF THE OP DOES GET A SATISFYING GPS ON GB THAT MEANS HIS VIBRANT WAS MADE AFTER OCTOBER!!

whatever5 said:
same goes for you, which is why you shouldn't talk as if you know everything ..... the hardware fix is the only solution so far if your on GB, I'm on GB and have tried every rom that say gps fixed and if you consider 220 to 40 meters accurate (721 ft to 131ft) then go for it otherwise zip it!! IF THE OP DOES GET A SATISFYING GPS ON GB THAT MEANS HIS VIBRANT WAS MADE AFTER OCTOBER!!
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The hardware fix and the GB GPS issues are independent of each other. It's true that the hardware fix will increase your SNR for your satellite signals across all ROMs, but the underlying issue with GB is that the agspd settings are off because of a lack of drivers, and thus adjusting your antenna is not a true "fix" for any GB ROM.
I misunderstood your original post since it wasn't answering my question. If you had said "I'm on GB and have tried every rom that say gps fixed and if you consider 220 to 40 meters accurate (721 ft to 131ft)" to begin with, then I would have understood. I appreciate it though.

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The hardware fix and the GB GPS issues are independent of each other. It's true that the hardware fix will increase your SNR for your satellite signals across all ROMs, but the underlying issue with GB is that the agspd settings are off because of a lack of drivers, and thus adjusting your antenna is not a true "fix" for any GB ROM.
I misunderstood your original post since it wasn't answering my question. If you had said "I'm on GB and have tried every rom that say gps fixed and if you consider 220 to 40 meters accurate (721 ft to 131ft)" to begin with, then I would have understood. I appreciate it though.
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It only doesnt work for me because according to another thread i read vibrants made before october 2010 have junk gps antennaes that require the fix but your right i should've explained what i meant better and this means your vibrant is more capable than mine so those gb roms that say gps fixed may work for you
Miui energy revamped says they have gps fixed. + miui is a pretty neat rom to try out if you ever decide to go to GB, best of luck

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It only doesnt work for me because according to another thread i read vibrants made before october 2010 have junk gps antennaes that require the fix but your right i should've explained what i meant better and this means your vibrant is more capable than mine so those gb roms that say gps fixed may work for you
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Mine is a pre October 2010 Vibrant too, so I think given your experiences I will be more cautious. Thanks though, that information helps a lot.

jamesyl said:
Mine is a pre October 2010 Vibrant too, so I think given your experiences I will be more cautious. Thanks though, that information helps a lot.
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isn't it funny how that worked out, I bought my vibrant sooner thinking the newer vibrants were made better because they'd have to undergo more testing before being completely mass produced but instead the later vibrants had revisions on the gps antennae made

whatever5 said:
I know what he was asking and if you would read this you would understand it is a hardware problem for vibrants made before october of the year the vibrant came out and secondly if he does a hardware fix it would help him even more
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=878970
same goes for you, which is why you shouldn't talk as if you know everything ..... the hardware fix is the only solution so far if your on GB, I'm on GB and have tried every rom that say gps fixed and if you consider 220 to 40 meters accurate (721 ft to 131ft) then go for it otherwise zip it!! IF THE OP DOES GET A SATISFYING GPS ON GB THAT MEANS HIS VIBRANT WAS MADE AFTER OCTOBER!!
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I got a September vibrant and can get locks up too 16ft in accuracy with GB...just sometimes it's hard to get a lock.

Im using trigger redux with the glitch kernal.
I live at 409 *streetname*
It says im at 407 *same streetname*
Thats a better signal than when I was on froyo, it always said I was a block down the road, on a different street.
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ipetloudog said:
Im using trigger redux with the glitch kernal.
I live at 409 *streetname*
It says im at 407 *same streetname*
Thats a better signal than when I was on froyo, it always said I was a block down the road, on a different street.
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How is it in Google Navigation?

jamesyl said:
On GB ROMs it's a software problem.
My current Froyo ROM has near perfect GPS for Navigation, and I never applied the hardware antenna fix.
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+1 here, my GPS is spot on using Google Maps using Bi-winning V3
BTW pre-October 2010 date on mine

jamesyl said:
How is it in Google Navigation?
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Spot on. Thats where I got the only one house off result from.
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comp101inc said:
Sgsii hybrid v3 gb 2.3.4
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No signal drops in Google Navigation?
ipetloudog said:
Spot on. Thats where I got the only one house off result from.
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Awesome, thanks.

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GPS fix

some one knows the best mod that make works the gps?
thanks
Flash nero. or at the least flash the JL1 modem
i running axura and y really like it. i just what to fix the gps issue is the modem jl1 helps?
i've tried nero beta 2 rom and the GPS seemed to work ok, i would say better than the jk6 or any other rom. but it still had some bugs in the system,,, so hopefully the Nero Beta 3 will be a better build.. thx to all the devs...
why u guys gps working fine...is it my device faulty? sad...the gps nvr work for me and im sitting on XDA forum for a week...still yet to get the solution....
kitoro said:
why u guys gps working fine...is it my device faulty? sad...the gps nvr work for me and im sitting on XDA forum for a week...still yet to get the solution....
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Because we have flashed ROMS where the devs have fixed it. Go flash one.
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kitoro said:
why u guys gps working fine...is it my device faulty? sad...the gps nvr work for me and im sitting on XDA forum for a week...still yet to get the solution....
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fcbarca17 said:
Because we have flashed ROMS where the devs have fixed it. Go flash one.
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I don't know of any devs who have altered the GPS code from Samsung, and regardless there is no sure thing to fix anyone's GPS issues.
If your GPS doesn't work, try a few different software versions and GPS settings. There is no miracle cure.
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kadoh said:
some one knows the best mod that make works the gps?
thanks
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This is the only solution that worked for me (works on JK6):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831725&highlight=pilotx
from my experience, they all work the same as long as drivers are present. What changes are the settings in lbstest. I always set the server to auto config and it learns pretty quick, but I'm in Japan.
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i running axura and y really like it. i just what to fix the gps issue is the modem jl1 helps?
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GPS issues are fixed in Axura 2.1 - see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=862519
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I don't know of any devs who have altered the GPS code from Samsung, and regardless there is no sure thing to fix anyone's GPS issues.
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Exactly. These guys aren't fixing anything. Generally speaking, these guys theme ROM's. With some basic scripting of tasks and features. Devs.......I still laugh at that.
How to fix your GPS:
1) Accept that the Samsung Galaxy S GPS will never be fixed, just slightly improved upon a forever ****ty performing GPS. If you can accept this, then you are 1 step closer to enjoying your GPS.
2) Never f*ck with your GPS settings ever again after this day.
3) Download GPSRestore made by Samsung in the Android Market.
4) Run the program, if still having GPS problems then do a full factory format by dialing this into your phone *2767*3855#.
5) If still having problems after running the GPSRstore and doing a factory format via that code, then exchange the phone, and NEVER EVER EVER listen to anyone who suggests you should f*ck around with the LBStestmode settings on your new replacement.
6) Once again, stop tinkering with the GPS settings
7) One more time, leave the GPS settings alone.
Hope that helps, if all else fails, return the Vibrant, get a different phone, and never touch the GPS settings on that phone either.
Master has used the following GPS fix in his roms.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9551790
I'm using this on nero b2 and it fixes on to 9/12 satellites for me in most locations under 10 seconds when directly under the sky and under 30-40 seconds when inside a building.
You can also search for an app called GpsRestore by Samsung Mobile in the Market. Depending on your rom, as long as it recognizes your device, it can work wonders. For best results go outside when you run it. When I tried it it took me from 50 meters to <10. Good luck.

[Q] Request comfirm working ROM for vibrant

Hi All here, anyone can provide me the confirm working GPS ROM for vibrant? I just want to confirm that my vibrant GPS is not having any hardware issues.
Thanks you very much.
kitoro said:
Hi All here, anyone can provide me the confirm working GPS ROM for vibrant? I just want to confirm that my vibrant GPS is not having any hardware issues.
Thanks you very much.
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No. Vibrant GPS is a software issue, but no GPS software released or leaked is guaranteed to fix anyone's problem. Search before posting.
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Telanis said:
No. Vibrant GPS is a software issue, but no GPS software released or leaked is guaranteed to fix anyone's problem. Search before posting.
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thanks for the replied... i did search it and try alot of method and new rom in the XDA and saw quite some ppl said that the GPS has fixed while some little number ppls said not fixed. Thats why i just want to confirm here if there is the confirm solution(rom) for it. thanks you
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No. Vibrant GPS is a software issue, but no GPS software released or leaked is guaranteed to fix anyone's problem. Search before posting.
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Wow that was kinda harsh. I don't think I will donate to you
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No. Vibrant GPS is a software issue, but no GPS software released or leaked is guaranteed to fix anyone's problem. Search before posting.
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I disagree, I would think if it was just a software issue either Samsung or the devs on here would of had a fix that works for everyone. But this is not the case in the many months the Vibrant has been out. I have a 4 year old non smart phone that had navigation that performs far better than my 2 vibrants with any GPS fix you can find. I know the devs have done some great things with leaked ROMs so I don't think they are to blame for a end all be all fix for the GPS, and well you'd hope samsung's programs knew what they were doing and well they can't seem to create a fix that works for everyone. So what's left hardware.
kitoro said:
Hi All here, anyone can provide me the confirm working GPS ROM for vibrant? I just want to confirm that my vibrant GPS is not having any hardware issues.
Thanks you very much.
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From what I can tell, this problem seems to be a combination of hardware and software related. I, like a few others, have better results when WiFi is turned off. This could be due to one of two reasons. First, it could be because the WiFi signal is interfering with the GPS signal. The reasons *why* this could happen are numerous, and would point to a H/W problem.
Regardless of whether it is a hardware problem or software related, a lot of problems can be reasonably addressed through software patches. I think we've seen that the JK and JL Modems actually do a better job with many people in term of improving the GPS performance. I am using the JL1 Modem with good, albeit not perfect, results. So, it appears that Samsung has addressed the problem (to the best of their ability) using software. I will add that the JL1 Modem also did wonders on improving my compass as well.
Hope this helps.
ScratchSF said:
From what I can tell, this problem seems to be a combination of hardware and software related. I, like a few others, have better results when WiFi is turned off. This could be due to one of two reasons. First, it could be because the WiFi signal is interfering with the GPS signal. The reasons *why* this could happen are numerous, and would point to a H/W problem.
Regardless of whether it is a hardware problem or software related, a lot of problems can be reasonably addressed through software patches. I think we've seen that the JK and JL Modems actually do a better job with many people in term of improving the GPS performance. I am using the JL1 Modem with good, albeit not perfect, results. So, it appears that Samsung has addressed the problem (to the best of their ability) using software. I will add that the JL1 Modem also did wonders on improving my compass as well.
Hope this helps.
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hey, thanks for sharing. Btw, i oso using the JL1 modem. but i still difficulty to get the GPS locked. However, today i had find out the way to locked it...--> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=9804019#post9804019
this is my thread, hope will help other guys that having the same problem like me.
I use my GPS all the time and I generally get a lock within 5 or 6 seconds when I am close to home and 10 - 20 when in the city. Not sure why the difference depending on location. I use it as the main GPS in my car, works great, better than my wifes crappy tom tom. Running Obsidian 4.2 no additional mods.

[Q] Any GB Roms for Vibrant with working GPS?

Hi all,
Has anyone found any GB ROMs with working GPS? I was contemplating doing the hardware GPS fix for the vibrant, but I've been wondering if that would be enough to get the GPS working on GB ROMs. I sound like a total noob, I know, but any help here would be greatly appreciated. Froyo ROMs are great on the Vibrant but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think most of them are nearing the end of their development. Thanks everyone.
30000 said:
Hi all,
Has anyone found any GB ROMs with working GPS? I was contemplating doing the hardware GPS fix for the vibrant, but I've been wondering if that would be enough to get the GPS working on GB ROMs. I sound like a total noob, I know, but any help here would be greatly appreciated. Froyo ROMs are great on the Vibrant but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that I think most of them are nearing the end of their development. Thanks everyone.
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Well the hardware doesn't seem to be the problem. It is the lack of GPS files from a leak. With froyo we had a leak very early on so this was never a problem.
Yesterday devs found a leak (on samfirmware) for the galaxy s 4g (GPS chip identical to vibrant) that helped them to create a functioning GPS on gingerbread oon our phone.
You can switch to any JVB rom and flash the GPS fix and follow instructions from there to have a a functional gingerbread rom. There are a few problems, like that you can't turn the GPS off and on and it still work. You have to reboot to get it to lock on again. Also some people were reporting that their compass was switched around. But you and I can probably assume that that will be fixed in the near future. Hope I could help
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Theres a fix in the works from birgertime on the development board. Only for JVP roms though it looks like.
treyvaporizer said:
Well the hardware doesn't seem to be the problem. It is the lack of GPS files from a leak. With froyo we had a leak very early on so this was never a problem.
Yesterday devs found a leak (on samfirmware) for the galaxy s 4g (GPS chip identical to vibrant) that helped them to create a functioning GPS on gingerbread oon our phone.
You can switch to any JVB rom and flash the GPS fix and follow instructions from there to have a a functional gingerbread rom. There are a few problems, like that you can't turn the GPS off and on and it still work. You have to reboot to get it to lock on again. Also some people were reporting that their compass was switched around. But you and I can probably assume that that will be fixed in the near future. Hope I could help
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You, sir, are my hero. Also, where could I find a link to the GPS fix?
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Theres a fix in the works from birgertime on the development board. Only for JVP roms though it looks like.
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I believe it's still in the work. Hopefully soon.
If you can't live without GPS, then don't switch over to a 2.3 base yet.
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I believe it's still in the work. Hopefully soon.
If you can't live without GPS, then don't switch over to a 2.3 base yet.
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Thanks man. I'll keep an eye out for it.
thanks
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i am pretty sure this is the one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=974702
Simply honey 3.8 revolution
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Simply honey 3.8 revolution
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+++++1 Yep check out my signature now go and get it, GPS works like a charm
Revolution rom has amazing gps and great battery life. Try it!!
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ali1276 said:
Revolution rom has amazing gps and great battery life. Try it!!
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Hi,
the ROM indeed great, but I have a problem with the GPS.
it works for me only the first time after a reboot.
the 2nd, 3rd attempt etc. dont lock.
I do not know if I have to change anything in the LBS conf, and I cannot reply in the development forum cause I am new.
anyone had a similar problem?
//Morris
You don't need to change anything. Most of these gingerbread ROMs that have GPS working mention the fact there is a bug. The GPS works, but you can't get it to work again without rebooting if you turn it off.
tnimoruen said:
You don't need to change anything. Most of these gingerbread ROMs that have GPS working mention the fact there is a bug. The GPS works, but you can't get it to work again without rebooting if you turn it off.
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Hi,
I understand I have the keep the GPS always turned (at least the option marked as on)
my problem is with my Sat Nav app.
it locks fast for the first time, but doesn't anymore after I close the app and start it again (even after a few minutes).
On the revolution rom which I like I can't get a gps lock at all no matter reboots or anything
Asgard V3?
http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php...2.3.4-***-Asgard-Version-3-****-EDT-6.23.2011
Or get any ginger rom and a gps reciever
The new Malice has working GPS.
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[Q] GPS Differences (Vibrant vs. Nexus S)

My question is this:
What is the difference between the GPS hardware on the T-Mobile Vibrant 3G and the (original) Nexus S?
If the hardware is the same, would the drivers for the Nexus S (which is running 2.3.5) work on a rooted Vibrant (also running a 2.3.5)?
I'm assuming that someone has already tried this and that's why we're using Angry GPS and such.
If not, what are the differences and how can we convince *cough - force - cough* Samsung to update the driver so that we can get a great Gingerbread ROM developed?
To all the dev's out there, I appreciate all that you do for us. Keep up the great work!
-Steve
I experienced a huge difference in GPS after i got custom rom. Now i can lock satellites in few mins where as i couldnt ever do it while i was in stock Froyo.
I believe they use completely different gps chips or wed have functioning gps by now.
Its not as trivial as i wish it were, unfortunately
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mifac said:
I experienced a huge difference in GPS after i got custom rom. Now i can lock satellites in few mins where as i couldnt ever do it while i was in stock Froyo.
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Mine is just the opposite. I get quick locks on Froyo and get get a consistent one on Gingerbread.
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younix258 said:
I believe they use completely different gps chips or wed have functioning gps by now.
Its not as trivial as i wish it were, unfortunately
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I agree that it's nothing trivial and please don't misread my statement as "Jeez, this should be soooo easy" cause I know it's not.
My follow-up question is this:
With the Nexus series (N1, NS) who provides the updates to the GPS when they get the new, stock OS? Does HTC update the GPS software for the Nexus 1 and Samsung for the Nexus S?
Or does Google provide the updates?
If it's the device manufacturer, there should be some sort of petition or clause that states that if they support the Nexus devices, they should have no reason to keep from supporting the similar devices. The Galaxy S and Nexus S are so close in hardware it's not even funny.
What's the best way to contact Samsung and require them to update the GPS hardware? Or am I simply being naive ?
Again, props to the dev's that work to make our phones work!
-Steve

GPS

Anyone know what ROMs have working GPS? I prefer 4.1 ROMs.
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ppillow said:
Anyone know what ROMs have working GPS? I prefer 4.1 ROMs.
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I'm still using Slim ICS with 4.0.4. The GPS is ok, it works but still not great. I don't think my phone will ever be great though. I want to try out SlimBean but it seems they are having GPS issues among other things.
Honestly, I've found that GPS can be a real hit or miss depending on your specific phone.
All hardware is not created equally, unfortunately. I'd suggest testing a few different roms and find which works best
for you specifically...because I've had luck with GPS on roms where users have reported bad GPS, and no GPS on roms where
awesome GPS was reported.
Good luck!
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Anyone know what ROMs have working GPS? I prefer 4.1 ROMs.
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I would use either PA or CM10, but you need to flash the 3 gps fix files located somewhere in the PA thread. I would not use Slimbean 3.0 if you really need GPS since even if you do flash the files, no satellites come in view at all. I got a lock below 10 sec outside driving on monday at 7:30 pm. Accuracy was about ~25 feet, so it was really good. I was on CM10. Anyway, both have really good GPS as long as you have the 3 GPS files. They are called: GPS - Experia Files, YAGF2, and cwm-cm9-gps-wrap. Flash it in the order I wrote it in. They arent hard to find. Just type the names into Google. Or look in the PA thread. Good luck bro, and as Xenoism said, it also varies with device. If your device was made before Nov 2010, you probably wont get a lock no matter what unless you did the hardware fix. Even with the hardware fix, you'll still need these 3 files.
EDIT: Because I'm nice, I found the post where Jrafael posted the GPS files. It is here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33575684&postcount=504
I have great gps with SlimBean and the 3gps fixes, its even better than my Galaxy Nexus. However, I owned a couple Vibrant and they all seem to have difference performance. Try the hardware gps fix if you're brave.
Note that for SlimBean if you patch mismatched patches it can make GPS stop working completely, only patch gapps from their own site.
eksasol said:
I have great gps with SlimBean and the 3gps fixes, its even better than my Galaxy Nexus. However, I owned a couple Vibrant and they all seem to have difference performance. Try the hardware gps fix if you're brave.
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Which version of Slimbean are you on? 2.9 works fine, but 3.0 is stone dead. (From my experience and a bunch of other members) I flashed the files and rebooted, tried getting a lock and not even one satellite appeared. Usually on other roms i get locks in less than 10 secs and after deep sleep, less than 20. I dont think he'll need the hardware fix if his phone is built after Nov 2010. But if its built before, then he'll definitely need it if he needs GPS that bad. That or get a new phone with GPS or buy a GPS :good:

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