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Well after two more prototypes and a lot of hard work, I feel that Prototype 4 was the winner. I made a little more adjustment to the top where it wedges in, and of course some coloring for asthetic reasons, and I am through with this project. I have a great final piece, thank you to everyone who helped with advice along the way, and I hope my work helps others save time on their creations.
Project result: a great little gamepad that hides in my wallet until time to play some games! Buttons respond great, have the tactile feel I was looking for, and no longer slides during heavy button mashing! Not easily replicatable but worth the time.
Update 12.9.2009
Hey everyone!
Thanks for all the input! Here is the newest prototype, Prototype 4!
I still think it needs refinement, but i think I made some huge improvements!
After destroying another original housing in trial and error sanding, I have decided against waiting another month for $20 housing.
In this application you will need:
1 CD Case
1 Original Keypad (Some have one, otherwise lets think of some substitutes)
Optional:
Dremel Multitool
Paint
Clear Enamel
Link to the process
Plans for the final prototype 5:
Add quick load and save buttons
Change background to black with grey and red buttons
Try to add a Nintendo logo somewhere
Hope this helps all your efforts out there! People see this and hide their iPhone games!
Edited by wakeupkeo; 18th November 2009 at 08:58 PM:
Link to Prototype 1
OK I have frankensteined a useful gamepad hack for NES, GBA and all the rest. This hack is a DIY craft, and you can customized your version to suit you. This was only my first version after many attempts to crate a workable thumbstick hack for the G1. I actually hope this design will get repeated and improved upon, I have another set of parts on order to do this better the second time.
Hope I can explain what I did well enough to start everyone on improvements...
On to the version one hack. My big problem before was my fingers getting lost on the keyboard during emulators so much that a fast paced game was almost impossible. I tried hacking up nes and xbox controllers to creat a handle that could clip onto the phone and hit the right buttons. No dice after alot of trial and all error. Somewhere along the way after I had already cut up this piece from a white housing, I tried this. I got the idea from old school intellivision, that had interchangable slides over the buttons for each game.
So i figured out which button config I liked, (although now I would do this with eight right hand buttons instead of six) and got to work. Cut out unneeded buttons except some that would stay and get glued for stability of the keypad to the faceplate. On the faceplate, I sanded all the protrusions off, so it was credit card thin and smooth.
Next, I put glue stick glue (the blue stuff) in the underside and pressed my keypad on. this would hold the keypad on for now, and still hardedn to a slick surface and not leave glue on the actual phone.
Then, after it dried, I flipped it over and began the enamel work. I got some nail polish from the drug store, a clear, quick-drying version, and put a coat over the buttons I don't use, to hold the keypad to the faceplate for good. Next, I put thin coats on each game button and let it dry, over and over, until I had a thick bump that was strong, slick, and tactile.
Works great, but the plate as a whole does slide a little on the craziest of games, but now I can play fighting games! So on the next version, I will leave alot more plastic on the top part of the faveplate to make a more secure connection there.
Thoughts? I expect the new parts for my revised faceplate in a few weeks, so I hope to see improvements before then!
Edit: Ok, maybe just hear about some improvement thoughts? Figured this would interest someone, but I guess by the silence that I was wrong... I do plan on moving the directional buttons one over, the select and start one over, and add two more action buttons. And add more to the top part so stay in place a little better. But this version works so well right now, no mis press of buttons, no losing center of direction buttons in a quick game like Tekken and Street Fighter 2 Alpha. I figured I would get some advice for my next and last version, and since the usb host to controller coding seems impossible without technical info from quallcom, this is the best solution to the game controlling buttons I can think of, does anyone have a better idea?
This is actually a really great idea, but not feasible for most people, where do you get an extra G1 keypad?
But, if you could cut a piece of plastic or something to the size of the G1 keyboard (so it would sit snugly) you could just punch holes and/or put buttons on the spots over your selected keys.
Hmmm, I bet even something like a credit card would work.
Just cut the bottom off so it sits perfectly on the keboard, poke holes over the keys you want to press...
The hard part is figuring out how to make buttons.
Thanks for the feedback!
I think you definitely need buttons as opposed to simply holes.
There are two bolts the screen swings to. When I get my next keypad, I am planning on turning that part of the plastic piece into hooks that secure the gamepad. Should be here soon, $20 from hong Kong on ebay. I had the first spare keypad from my Stormtrooper Mod. Others might have one lying around for one reason or another, these are hackers after all.
Credit card idea is perfect, I initially carried the gamepad in the stock g1 padded case but nowadays I keep it in my wallet. Its not bigger than a credit card, and even with the securing improvements still should be smaller than than my id. Iths thin and flexible to handle the wallet no problem.
Once I finish the final version, I will diagram the exact measurements for you all to build your own out of whatever with assurance the buttons will line up!
Edit:
I found the top part that was originally cut off. Its separate but shows layout above the keypad. This is the cut I'm thinking to allow the gamepad to slide into a stationary position. Here is where I'm hoping for more advice on how to cut this just right.
kinda jumping in here. i tried doing it with a credit card, and it works amazing.
i did this for gameboid. it works amazing, actually. better than i expected. i tried it with mariokart (gba), a game where u constantly are moving your thumbs, and so far it was great... ill upload a video when im done with my lab :/
anyways. my tools were: Sharpie, swiss army knife, multiple scissors, tape, and a subway eat fresh rewards card >:]
first i fit the card onto the g1. it slides in pretty nice already, just had to cut off excess...card. marked it with a sharpie, fit to size. try not to make a mess of what you cut off, it comes back. i figured out the buttons i wanted to use. i started with the "dpad." i took the needle thing on the back of the swiss army knife and stabbed it through the card. made it big enough to start cutting. cut out to size. did this for the rest of the buttons as well. i then took the excess card stuff and started cutting out buttons that would fit. started with everything around the same size as the keyboard buttons. i put them in the wholes of the card that was cut out previous, made sure they werent touching the wall, and put a single piece of tape over the top. did that to the bottom too. then, since the dpad felt awkward, i cut one out that imitated the regular gba keyboard, and doubled it on top of the current dpad. i doubled therest of the buttons as well, to have them pop out a bit. put a single piece of tape over the top, none on the bottom. just used some tape to help it stay on the g1, not much is needed, its pretty snug.
as you can see, it isnt great looking, but it works really well
I've always been curious about making use of the mini usb drive the g1 has.
Imagine a shell casing around the phone that mounts into the port and has buttons that can be key mapped into apps for dpads and abxy buttons.
Icebergxx said:
I've always been curious about making use of the mini usb drive the g1 has.
Imagine a shell casing around the phone that mounts into the port and has buttons that can be key mapped into apps for dpads and abxy buttons.
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i wouldnt get your hopes up. ive tried stuff like that...didnt work out so well. the drivers in the phone only allow the usb driver to do certain things... same goes for the export...it just wouldnt work that...for the normal person. if u have alot of time on your hands and phones you can risk breaking (like HTC, but they have no reason to do this), then go ahead
Nice Credit Card Hack- I think we're onto something here. Easily a way to match the two and offer people diagrams with exact measurements to make their own. Personally I would have kept the L button to the right, so you don't need to leave the directional pad to press it, but whatever your preference.
As for the USB hack, I have done extensive research into this area, and it seems without some code from HTC directly, no one has been able to break into this or a bluetooth hack. Seems easy, usb or bluetooth 12-15 keyboard buttons and we'd be set. But no one has been able to break it, so I have gone to this hardware hack. Any breakthrough news would be greatly appreciated on this thread, but up until now it seems we are at a wall software-wise.
On another note, in doing GBA game research, I noticed a big part of the games were ported from SNES to GBA, so I bought the SNES emulator and gave it a chance. Wow, what a difference. Honestly, the gameplay is so much faster and responsive, the library of games is so much more diverse, I hardly play GBA games anymore until I finish the SNES library. I'm currently working my way through Super Punch Out, and love using Prototype One. When people see me playing the SNES library, they hide their iPhone. Everyone I have encountered admits a separate gamepad is preffered over touching the screen and losing some visibility, and are amazed at the dexterity the Gamepad Prototype One offers. Please keep experimenting people!
Still waiting on my parts from hong kong to make the final design, its taking forever!
wakeupkeo said:
Nice Credit Card Hack- I think we're onto something here. Easily a way to match the two and offer people diagrams with exact measurements to make their own. Personally I would have kept the L button to the right, so you don't need to leave the directional pad to press it, but whatever your preference.
As for the USB hack, I have done extensive research into this area, and it seems without some code from HTC directly, no one has been able to break into this or a bluetooth hack. Seems easy, usb or bluetooth 12-15 keyboard buttons and we'd be set. But no one has been able to break it, so I have gone to this hardware hack. Any breakthrough news would be greatly appreciated on this thread, but up until now it seems we are at a wall software-wise.
On another note, in doing GBA game research, I noticed a big part of the games were ported from SNES to GBA, so I bought the SNES emulator and gave it a chance. Wow, what a difference. Honestly, the gameplay is so much faster and responsive, the library of games is so much more diverse, I hardly play GBA games anymore until I finish the SNES library. I'm currently working my way through Super Punch Out, and love using Prototype One. When people see me playing the SNES library, they hide their iPhone. Everyone I have encountered admits a separate gamepad is preffered over touching the screen and losing some visibility, and are amazed at the dexterity the Gamepad Prototype One offers. Please keep experimenting people!
Still waiting on my parts from hong kong to make the final design, its taking forever!
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looking forward to it.
my hack is ok, but it looks like it would break over time. kinda a cheap hack i guess, cost nothing. urs shows promise. engaget worthy
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i wouldnt get your hopes up. ive tried stuff like that...didnt work out so well. the drivers in the phone only allow the usb driver to do certain things... same goes for the export...it just wouldnt work that...for the normal person. if u have alot of time on your hands and phones you can risk breaking (like HTC, but they have no reason to do this), then go ahead
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Reminds me when I had iPod Linux on my iPod video 5.5g. We would solder the cables of a nes controller to the board and run it out a hole in the side where there was room -.-) and mounted it in a rough mount on top of the controller.
Worked decent :3 but we couldn't do it through usb as stated because we didn't know how to 'awaken' the usb for such use.
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i wouldnt get your hopes up. ive tried stuff like that...didnt work out so well. the drivers in the phone only allow the usb driver to do certain things... same goes for the export...it just wouldnt work that...for the normal person. if u have alot of time on your hands and phones you can risk breaking (like HTC, but they have no reason to do this), then go ahead
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I forget, driver installers? The softwear that makes plugging something into the computer readable and usable?
Anywho I feel as if we devoloped an app to read the modded usb port for it it might work?
Especially with root user.
But I really am more of a concept sort of guy
Hmm, I'm kinda diggin the credit-card thing... I might use an old expired library card or something xD
Can you go a little bit more in-depth on how you made it though? How did you get it to pop up and not hit other buttons when you push down on it?
amgupt01 said:
Hmm, I'm kinda diggin the credit-card thing... I might use an old expired library card or something xD
Can you go a little bit more in-depth on how you made it though? How did you get it to pop up and not hit other buttons when you push down on it?
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lol. ive been slacking off posting everything. what i did was cut a whole in teh credit card where i wanted the buttons. make it bigger, doesnt have to be perfect. i then cut tiny peaces to the size of the button, so it would only press one. put a single piece of tape over the top and bottom.
then i cut out more of the remaining card to make the buttons bigger, and to make the "dpad" easier to use . put them over the original buttons, so it pops out.
if u dont get it, ill post a video using paper to show what i did. while im at it, if u need that, ill just make a video on usage
AWESOME!
alexjzim said:
kinda jumping in here. i tried doing it with a credit card, and it works amazing.
i did this for gameboid. it works amazing, actually. better than i expected. i tried it with mariokart (gba), a game where u constantly are moving your thumbs, and so far it was great... ill upload a video when im done with my lab :/
anyways. my tools were: Sharpie, swiss army knife, multiple scissors, tape, and a subway eat fresh rewards card >:]
first i fit the card onto the g1. it slides in pretty nice already, just had to cut off excess...card. marked it with a sharpie, fit to size. try not to make a mess of what you cut off, it comes back. i figured out the buttons i wanted to use. i started with the "dpad." i took the needle thing on the back of the swiss army knife and stabbed it through the card. made it big enough to start cutting. cut out to size. did this for the rest of the buttons as well. i then took the excess card stuff and started cutting out buttons that would fit. started with everything around the same size as the keyboard buttons. i put them in the wholes of the card that was cut out previous, made sure they werent touching the wall, and put a single piece of tape over the top. did that to the bottom too. then, since the dpad felt awkward, i cut one out that imitated the regular gba keyboard, and doubled it on top of the current dpad. i doubled therest of the buttons as well, to have them pop out a bit. put a single piece of tape over the top, none on the bottom. just used some tape to help it stay on the g1, not much is needed, its pretty snug.
as you can see, it isnt great looking, but it works really well
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This is exactly what I had in mind but was too lazy to actually try. Now you've inspired me to actually try it though!
One of the coolest thing about this is you could do whatever button layout you wanted! You could even carry a few with different layouts for different games.
Heres a question for you all:
I finally received a new body to make a final gamepad, but I have a question for all you gamers- is a simple four-way directional button layout better than eight different directional buttons? Experience in games so far don't seem to show much need for diagonal buttons if pressing the the two buttons it combines is just as good. The credit card hack has only the four directions, so in designing my final, what you you think is better in terms of gameplay? SNES is my favorite emulator, so answers partial to that are preferred!
Bump. Is that allowed? Just posted new prototype...
Here's my super low-rent, quick and dirty (literally) version so far. This is the prototype before i make the better one.
I've only done the d-pad, I'm playing around to see which buttons I want to use for a b x y or whatever.
It actually works REALLY well.
Once I finish this one, I'm gonna cut up another card, but this time cut a section out of the right side of the card (if you've holding it horizontally) so it wraps around the "chin" of the phone to stay in place better.
Nice!
Yes, these designs work REALLY well...
Think I will try to do a credit card one, the plastic is more flexible that the CD case plastic. I want to keep the piece in my wallet, and I know a credit card can take the pressure and flex. Not sure about the cd case plastic yet...
cheap source of plastic for these mods....
Grocery stores.
Alot of them have the area for phone cards and prepaid cards.
None of those cards have any value until they are activated.
They have some that are thinner plastic and some that are thicker. Most are paper with a plastic coating.
I grabbed a bunch when I did my phone stand prototypes.
(Which reminds me...I never posted that.)
your #4 seems to be really nice. i like the color and design. it seems to hook around the g1, which im pretty sure you were aiming for. how exactly does it work in terms of force for the keys?
and if ur gunna go for a credit card, if u put a thin layer of take over both sides, and leave the button in a "hole," it works pretty nice.
im gunna try some new ideas in my #2, thought ide share them in case you want to take them
for the buttons, ill take apart my old gameboy, or SP ( i remember those days ) and use them, if they fit. for force in the actual keyboard, i was thinking of actually using springs, not sure exactly how it would work ... maybe cut a small one from a pen up. for stability, it just popped into my mind.. idk about you but i can easily slide a piece of paper through my g1s screen. not a credit card, but deff. at least movie stud thickness. what im getting at is, you could probably make a "hook" thats straight, and once it pops under the screen, you can bend it, or maybe its meant to pop (i like this word) to hook onto something, like a hairclip. a spring might work here too. hell, when you open the screen and it moves out, theres definitely room to slip a thin wire through. just tie a "knot" on the end of the wire, slip it through, and when its closed, the wire cant come out. just have to make sure its a tight fit. then, if the plastic can curl around on the other side, you'd be good to go.
just giving my 2 cents. ill prob try this stuff sometime over the weekend, maybe sooner.
also, you can set the camera button to something, not really sure if thats helpful, but you could prob make it start, and have room for other stuff.
also, on my dpad thing, i noticed that lets say if i set an UP+LEFT key, it only goes up, if i have two different keys for up and left, and press them at teh same time, it still only goes up. anyone else having this problem? gets annoying after a while
EDIT: improvising on myself, i came up with how it could work. might need more plastic than there is on a credit card :/. anyone know that type of material, but in a bigger...card? doesnt need to be exactly the same, just close enough.
Has anyone attempted this?
I saw this thread and was wondering if anyone has tried installing wminput or lswm to get a wii remote working with bluetooth under Debian or Ubuntu? I just started playing with it myself.
This joystick looks interesting
Can't quite figure out how it works, but I wouldn't mind getting a physical joystick on my tablet for any gaming function. I'm not a big fan of the on screen capacitive controllers for moving around screen.
Who's gonna be the Guinea pig. It's only 20 bucks shipped!
ww w. amazon. co m/Logitech-Joystick-iPad-iPad2-943-000033/dp/B005GFXH6S
Yes, its more expensive, but this one would probably be a lot better for gaming, and you would look a lot less retarded in public.
nook-color said:
This joystick looks interesting
Can't quite figure out how it works, but I wouldn't mind getting a physical joystick on my tablet for any gaming function. I'm not a big fan of the on screen capacitive controllers for moving around screen.
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stereotada said:
ww w. amazon. co m/Logitech-Joystick-iPad-iPad2-943-000033/dp/B005GFXH6S
Yes, its more expensive, but this one would probably be a lot better for gaming, and you would look a lot less retarded in public.
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Thanks I update my Guide with your joystick information:
Ultimate Transformer PRIME TF201 Accessory Guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1377669
how the hell does a capactiive joystick work (moves the on screen directional joystick)
By touching the joystick buttons when you move the handle.
I actually have one of these, called a JOYSTICK-IT. It's basically that little stick, with a spongy pad attached beneath the silver stick and just above the suction cup. As you tilt the stick in any direction, the sponge pad presses the screen in that direction, which acts as if it were your finger. Works pretty well. My Prime is coming in tomorrow, according to Fed-Ex' tracking. I'll take a few pictures or possibly a video of it.
Edit: Also, you have to place it directly on top of the virtual stick, which means moving it for different games, which is really easy. (seconds worth of time.) And depending, the stick can be long and uncomfortable if you plan on holding the the tablet with your forefingers below it and thumb on the stick.
Just bought this fella a few days ago, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MUG3JPU/, and LOVE it. The silver buttons are pretty cheapy, but the buttons used for gaming (joysticks, d pad, shoulder buttons, etc) are VERY high quality. It grips my phone very securely, but its in the metallic Incipio case, havent tried without the case yet. Should still hold fine. Best things IMHO are that with the size of the Z Ultra, it is almost a perfect fit, just a cm away from looking like it was made for this phone, and the fact that the buttons are laid out like a PS3 controller.
It will fit a 10 inch tablet, as well, which is a plus (even though I just sold my Note 10.1 2014, and not just have an Onda 972 I havent used in over a year )
Attached a pretty horrible screenshot. Charging port is still easily accessible. Can even still use it like a phone in the gamepad, not like its THAT much *more* unwieldy haha
That looks so bulky. How is it for longer gaming sessions? IMO, the best controller would still be the official PS3 DS controller. :good:
Well yeah the Dualshock is better as far as controls go haha, but I dont have a stand for my Z Ultra and I dont like the screen being positioned in top of the controller so for me it isnt a consideration. In fact I bought this to replace using my Dualshock. I prefer the screen in the middle of the controller, PSP-style.
It really isnt that bulky when you hold it. my hands are average sized and its a comfy fit. For really long sessions it may get tiring, just because the phone itself weighs so much. Its about the size of a standard PC controller.
i like it alot
I bought this controller and I love it it can feet several tablet and it works great on emulators and some regular games
Hey guys, so, I know there's a lot of you out there who are thinking of getting a controller for your shield tablet, thinking you should get a console controller w/ bluetooth or something of that nature, but I honestly think this is the best controller out there, despite some of its flaws. This isn't really a professional review, just some pictures and captions xP But I think it'll give people an idea of what to expect. The pictures were relatively big, 4000x3000, so I had to resize them all to 1024x768 on postimg. You can click the thumbnails to get a better view.
So as far as the box goes, there's nothing really much to say, it's mostly in chinese.
There's not much inside the box. Just the controller, a charge cable that's about 3 meters long, and an instruction manual.
The sheer size of this thing after first holding it literally had me laughing for about 10 minutes, just actually taking in that I'm holding this gaming device that is now about 13.5" long was just funny xD
After playing with this thing for an hour or two, going back to the Vita, the Vita felt extremely tiny in comparison.
This thing has three modes to pair, each is selected by turning the controller on while holding either X, Y, or A and pressing the home button at the same time. There is Keyboard, Gamepad(What you'd use), and mouse mode. Gamepad is X+Home.
Showing off Black Ops 2 played through Gamestream here:
The controller works very well with gamestream, practically no input lag AT ALL, but there is some video lag though that's NVIDIA's fault and will hopefully be lowered in the later months/years.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ACTUAL REVIEW NOW
Now, onto some actual reviewy type stuff, the pros and cons. The build quality for this controller is absolutely FANTASTIC for $30, It feels much better than my Moga Pro in every aspect except portability, but for a tablet I'm sure you aren't expecting that anyway. The sticks feel amazing to the touch and have just the right amount of resistance, both the face buttons and the top buttons feel nice, just everything feels great and it's hard to believe this thing only costs $30, but there are some cons.
Not exactly a con: Ports
The ports are hidden as you have the controller fit as snug as possible, but it is completely possible to raise the tablet up higher while it's in the controller and have every port shown while still having a tight fit. It'll look something along the lines of this.
I kid you not I was flinging this controller up and down and left and right and even with the tablet in that high, it didn't budge at all, this controller holds your device in very well.
Pro: Works with Gamemapper
For some reason it's 2015 and we still have FPS games that don't have native gamepad support(NOVA 3). Luckily, just hold the start button and you can bring up NVIDIA's gamemapper.
(60/40) Con: D-PAD
Don't get me wrong, this is a really great D-PAD...For everything other than fighters. It feels nice, it works almost perfectly, the problem is, diagonal inputs don't read as naturally as they should. You have to kind of put more effort into getting the D-PAD in the diagonal portion of the gate to correctly get a hadouken or whatever you want out. It's kind of frustrating. A side note, for some reason, the Home button doesn't work at all. Not sure if I have a broken controller or if it just doesn't work correctly with Lollipop.
Con: L2/R2 (LT/RT for you X360 users)
Even though they feel nice to press, I can't get over the fact that these are just buttons, and not actual triggers. I don't even want to try a racing game with Gamestream because of how much it'd fail. They work fine with everything else though.
All in all, this is a very nice controller, and even with those cons, I'd recommend it to ANYONE looking for a controller for ANY tablet. Definitely the best bang for your buck.
MY SCORE: 9/10
You can purchase the controller really cheap at:
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Solid review. I had the same controller a while back for my Nexus 7 and it worked well . I sent it back along with my refurbed 7 to Amazon a few week's back while deciding on which tablet to purchase next. After picking up the Shield Tablet the other day, I decided re-purchase this one instead of going with the Shield controller. The iPega's ability to hold the tablet right where your hands should be helps deliver a more immersive experience which can't be said for just about anything else out there.
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Solid review. I had the same controller a while back for my Nexus 7 and it worked well . I sent it back along with my refurbed 7 to Amazon a few week's back while deciding on which tablet to purchase next. After picking up the Shield Tablet the other day, I decided re-purchase this one instead of going with the Shield controller. The iPega's ability to hold the tablet right where your hands should be helps deliver a more immersive experience which can't be said for just about anything else out there.
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Yeah, definitely. I used to use a PS3 Controller for the Shield Tablet and was considering buying this prototype looking thing, http://www.shapeways.com/product/BJXE3ZRK3/ps3-controller-nvidia-shield-tablet
Then I considered just how top heavy that would be and decided to look elsewhere. This is definitely the best tablet controller hands down.
I agree this is a very good product for the price and handles very well when gaming. Though be weary, if you choose to have your Nvidia Shield in a full body case which increases the thickness of the tablet, then its not going to fit securely. I got the iPega 9023 first, then got the the Poetic Revolution case. And the frustrating thing is, I want both, but currently the tablet when in the case doesn't sit securely in the controller, the controller loses its grip, and springs back into its default size, pushing out the tablet.
well sir.
The iPega 9023 is known to use ****ty joysticks with incredibly bad deadzones. Firmware compensation for those deadzones prevent simple replacement of the sticks with better equipment. Im surprised you rated it so high. Even given the extremely low asking price, 25$ is better spent elsewhere. For those considering this piece of junk, its hard to see in a video, but you should at least do some homework before blowing your money on this thing. There have only been 2 known revisions, the 2nd edition being nothing but a palette swap. I had high hopes for a gamepad tablet holder. Even after doing the research i purchased with the intention of just replacing the sticks. Having done that, its very clear the problem is both firmware and hardware, and there's no easy fix.
Sess said:
The iPega 9023 is known to use ****ty joysticks with incredibly bad deadzones. Firmware compensation for those deadzones prevent simple replacement of the sticks with better equipment. Im surprised you rated it so high. Even given the extremely low asking price, 25$ is better spent elsewhere. For those considering this piece of junk, its hard to see in a video, but you should at least do some homework before blowing your money on this thing. There have only been 2 known revisions, the 2nd edition being nothing but a palette swap. I had high hopes for a gamepad tablet holder. Even after doing the research i purchased with the intention of just replacing the sticks. Having done that, its very clear the problem is both firmware and hardware, and there's no easy fix.
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If you root your tablet, you can set custom deadzones for any gamepad in the android system. You just need to edit the appropriate .kl file, I've done it many times for Xbox 360 controllers and the Moga Pro gamepad.
ok
How you do it
Explain please
I like so far the ipega but I want more.
I think nobody care
Can anyone measure what is maximum stretch of this controller?
I own 10.6'' "cube i7 stylus" tablet, with length of 273.77mm (10.77'') and I am not sure if it is going to fit.
It is advertised as 10'' maximum but maybe it can be stretched more?
Thanks!
rejectedjs said:
Yeah, definitely. I used to use a PS3 Controller for the Shield Tablet and was considering buying this prototype looking thing, http://www.shapeways.com/product/BJXE3ZRK3/ps3-controller-nvidia-shield-tablet
Then I considered just how top heavy that would be and decided to look elsewhere. This is definitely the best tablet controller hands down.
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You can get an Over the top version that has a nice weight distro
I have one of these and am happy with it
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If you root your tablet, you can set custom deadzones for any gamepad in the android system. You just need to edit the appropriate .kl file, I've done it many times for Xbox 360 controllers and the Moga Pro gamepad.
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What values are you indicated for stick in .kl file
rejectedjs said:
Hey guys, so, I know there's a lot of you out there who are thinking of getting a controller for your shield tablet, thinking you should get a console controller w/ bluetooth or something of that nature, but I honestly think this is the best controller out there, despite some of its flaws. This isn't really a professional review, just some pictures and captions xP But I think it'll give people an idea of what to expect. The pictures were relatively big, 4000x3000, so I had to resize them all to 1024x768 on postimg. You can click the thumbnails to get a better view.
So as far as the box goes, there's nothing really much to say, it's mostly in chinese.
There's not much inside the box. Just the controller, a charge cable that's about 3 meters long, and an instruction manual.
The sheer size of this thing after first holding it literally had me laughing for about 10 minutes, just actually taking in that I'm holding this gaming device that is now about 13.5" long was just funny xD
After playing with this thing for an hour or two, going back to the Vita, the Vita felt extremely tiny in comparison.
This thing has three modes to pair, each is selected by turning the controller on while holding either X, Y, or A and pressing the home button at the same time. There is Keyboard, Gamepad(What you'd use), and mouse mode. Gamepad is X+Home.
Showing off Black Ops 2 played through Gamestream here:
The controller works very well with gamestream, practically no input lag AT ALL, but there is some video lag though that's NVIDIA's fault and will hopefully be lowered in the later months/years.
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Now, onto some actual reviewy type stuff, the pros and cons. The build quality for this controller is absolutely FANTASTIC for $30, It feels much better than my Moga Pro in every aspect except portability, but for a tablet I'm sure you aren't expecting that anyway. The sticks feel amazing to the touch and have just the right amount of resistance, both the face buttons and the top buttons feel nice, just everything feels great and it's hard to believe this thing only costs $30, but there are some cons.
Not exactly a con: Ports
The ports are hidden as you have the controller fit as snug as possible, but it is completely possible to raise the tablet up higher while it's in the controller and have every port shown while still having a tight fit. It'll look something along the lines of this.
I kid you not I was flinging this controller up and down and left and right and even with the tablet in that high, it didn't budge at all, this controller holds your device in very well.
Pro: Works with Gamemapper
For some reason it's 2015 and we still have FPS games that don't have native gamepad support(NOVA 3). Luckily, just hold the start button and you can bring up NVIDIA's gamemapper.
(60/40) Con: D-PAD
Don't get me wrong, this is a really great D-PAD...For everything other than fighters. It feels nice, it works almost perfectly, the problem is, diagonal inputs don't read as naturally as they should. You have to kind of put more effort into getting the D-PAD in the diagonal portion of the gate to correctly get a hadouken or whatever you want out. It's kind of frustrating. A side note, for some reason, the Home button doesn't work at all. Not sure if I have a broken controller or if it just doesn't work correctly with Lollipop.
Con: L2/R2 (LT/RT for you X360 users)
Even though they feel nice to press, I can't get over the fact that these are just buttons, and not actual triggers. I don't even want to try a racing game with Gamestream because of how much it'd fail. They work fine with everything else though.
All in all, this is a very nice controller, and even with those cons, I'd recommend it to ANYONE looking for a controller for ANY tablet. Definitely the best bang for your buck.
MY SCORE: 9/10
You can purchase the controller really cheap at:
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How to use this "gamepad mapper"? Where can i find it.
chrisssj2 said:
How to use this "gamepad mapper"? Where can i find it.
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He means the Nvidia gamemapper, an app on the stock rom of the Nvidia Shield devices.
http://support-shield.nvidia.com/tablet-user-guide/index.htm#t=Gamepad_Mapper.htm
rejectedjs said:
Hey guys, so, I know there's a lot of you out there who are thinking of getting a controller for your shield tablet, thinking you should get a console controller w/ bluetooth or something of that nature, but I honestly think this is the best controller out there, despite some of its flaws. This isn't really a professional review, just some pictures and captions xP But I think it'll give people an idea of what to expect. The pictures were relatively big, 4000x3000, so I had to resize them all to 1024x768 on postimg. You can click the thumbnails to get a better view.
So as far as the box goes, there's nothing really much to say, it's mostly in chinese.
There's not much inside the box. Just the controller, a charge cable that's about 3 meters long, and an instruction manual.
The sheer size of this thing after first holding it literally had me laughing for about 10 minutes, just actually taking in that I'm holding this gaming device that is now about 13.5" long was just funny xD
After playing with this thing for an hour or two, going back to the Vita, the Vita felt extremely tiny in comparison.
This thing has three modes to pair, each is selected by turning the controller on while holding either X, Y, or A and pressing the home button at the same time. There is Keyboard, Gamepad(What you'd use), and mouse mode. Gamepad is X+Home.
Showing off Black Ops 2 played through Gamestream here:
The controller works very well with gamestream, practically no input lag AT ALL, but there is some video lag though that's NVIDIA's fault and will hopefully be lowered in the later months/years.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ACTUAL REVIEW NOW
Now, onto some actual reviewy type stuff, the pros and cons. The build quality for this controller is absolutely FANTASTIC for $30, It feels much better than my Moga Pro in every aspect except portability, but for a tablet I'm sure you aren't expecting that anyway. The sticks feel amazing to the touch and have just the right amount of resistance, both the face buttons and the top buttons feel nice, just everything feels great and it's hard to believe this thing only costs $30, but there are some cons.
Not exactly a con: Ports
The ports are hidden as you have the controller fit as snug as possible, but it is completely possible to raise the tablet up higher while it's in the controller and have every port shown while still having a tight fit. It'll look something along the lines of this.
I kid you not I was flinging this controller up and down and left and right and even with the tablet in that high, it didn't budge at all, this controller holds your device in very well.
Pro: Works with Gamemapper
For some reason it's 2015 and we still have FPS games that don't have native gamepad support(NOVA 3). Luckily, just hold the start button and you can bring up NVIDIA's gamemapper.
(60/40) Con: D-PAD
Don't get me wrong, this is a really great D-PAD...For everything other than fighters. It feels nice, it works almost perfectly, the problem is, diagonal inputs don't read as naturally as they should. You have to kind of put more effort into getting the D-PAD in the diagonal portion of the gate to correctly get a hadouken or whatever you want out. It's kind of frustrating. A side note, for some reason, the Home button doesn't work at all. Not sure if I have a broken controller or if it just doesn't work correctly with Lollipop.
Con: L2/R2 (LT/RT for you X360 users)
Even though they feel nice to press, I can't get over the fact that these are just buttons, and not actual triggers. I don't even want to try a racing game with Gamestream because of how much it'd fail. They work fine with everything else though.
All in all, this is a very nice controller, and even with those cons, I'd recommend it to ANYONE looking for a controller for ANY tablet. Definitely the best bang for your buck.
MY SCORE: 9/10
You can purchase the controller really cheap at:
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daeymon said:
He means the Nvidia gamemapper, an app on the stock rom of the Nvidia Shield devices.
http://support-shield.nvidia.com/tablet-user-guide/index.htm#t=Gamepad_Mapper.htm
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Is this mapper only avaible if u also have the shield controller? or can u use it without? as im using the ipega...
chrisssj2 said:
Is this mapper only avaible if u also have the shield controller? or can u use it without? as im using the ipega...
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Gamemapper does work with most controllers I believe. I believe you have to hold start to get it to come up. I don't use stock anymore, and use Tincore all the way, so its been a while since I ever looked at it with curiosity.
daeymon said:
Gamemapper does work with most controllers I believe. I believe you have to hold start to get it to come up. I don't use stock anymore, and use Tincore all the way, so its been a while since I ever looked at it with curiosity.
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Thanks. I found it.
Could you please tell me how to use tincore. I cannot make sense of it. or a way how to config the ipega with it.
I would be very grateful
chrisssj2 said:
Could you please tell me how to use tincore. I cannot make sense of it. or a way how to config the ipega with it.
I would be very grateful
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It autodetects the iPega. There is nothing special about using it with Tincore and to tell you how to use it would be just posting what already exists in the Tincore guides. My advice is, Tincore does ALOT which you probably won't need. Focus on just the aspects you need and ignore the rest.
Here is where I've referred each time I've got stuck using it:
http://tincore.freewiki.in/index.php/Tincore_Keymapper
Hi, when battery dies, can I use it wired? I mean using an OTG USB cable on a Windows tablet (Lenovo Miix 2)
Hi. Does the clamping work with vertical orientation? I wish to buy this controller but I prefer vertical orientation since I played a lot of DS emulator and it's better in vertical orientation (not to mention the hassle of having to rotate the phone back when trying to reply instant message)
Hey everyone,
I've been looking at the Rog Phone 2 as a potential upgrade for awhile now, and am considering buying it on Giztop rather than waiting for a US release. I would like to get it with the Kunai Gamepad 2 (seems like a perfect gamepad for emulators and I really like joy-con style controllers) but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Does anyone know where I can find the controller or if it's even been released yet? For those who may already have the Kunai Gamepad 2, how good is it compared to other attachable android controllers?
Caffeine Cup said:
Hey everyone,
I've been looking at the Rog Phone 2 as a potential upgrade for awhile now, and am considering buying it on Giztop rather than waiting for a US release. I would like to get it with the Kunai Gamepad 2 (seems like a perfect gamepad for emulators and I really like joy-con style controllers) but I can't seem to find it anywhere. Does anyone know where I can find the controller or if it's even been released yet? For those who may already have the Kunai Gamepad 2, how good is it compared to other attachable android controllers?
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Not yet released bro. It comes out december 2019
Kunai gamempad, already available in China
Kunai gamepad it's already here. I've got only the version to attach it to the phone, since i don't need the adapter to use it as an independent Bluetooth controller.
It comes with the central bumper, the 2 joycons and 1 adapter from usbC to jack, in case you don't wanna use the fan but still wanna use the headset, since the default jack will be covered by the bumper.
It has some presets already for few games, and the rest are completely customizable. I'm still configuring it so I can't give an opinion yet. I can only post 1 picture from the phone.
If someone has any other question, let me know and I'll test whatever I can. View attachment 4851177
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Are there buttons on the back of the controller and do the sticks click in? Giving an L3 R3 option?
Giztop is now taking pre-orders as well
Cammarratta said:
Are there buttons on the back of the controller and do the sticks click in? Giving an L3 R3 option?
Giztop is now taking pre-orders as well
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Yes, besides the L1, L2, R1 and R2, there is also an M1 on the right hand, and M2 on the left hand, both on the rear side.
PD: looks like i can post more pictures now
Edit: forgot to say, yes, the sticks can click in, there is L3 and R3
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Very nice! Does it feel comfortable to hold in hand? And how is the deadzone recognizing on the right analog stick? Usually with these gamepads the right analog stick sucks for things such as aiming and whatnot. I liked how the black shark 2 had a touch pad but it was u comfortable to hold after awhile.
Giztop, Asus Singapore, and B&H here in the United States have been taking orders for a week. You can get it by the end of October or so. I do look forward to finally having it
Cammarratta said:
Very nice! Does it feel comfortable to hold in hand? And how is the deadzone recognizing on the right analog stick? Usually with these gamepads the right analog stick sucks for things such as aiming and whatnot. I liked how the black shark 2 had a touch pad but it was u comfortable to hold after awhile.
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Yeah, the right analog stick is not really useful... On shooter games, it still better to aim using the touchscreen. You can adjust the sensitivity on each game though. Left stick works great
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I'm that case do you have to have both controllers connected to use them or can you do it like the flydigi wasp?
Cammarratta said:
I'm that case do you have to have both controllers connected to use them or can you do it like the flydigi wasp?
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you dont need to use both. it come with a side protection for the bumpers in case you only want to use one side of the controller. The fact is that when the controller is pluffed, the touchscreen stills working, so it doesnt matter if you plug or not the right side of the controller, in shooter games you can still aim with the right joystick or with the touchscreen on the same time. if you remove that part, then only the touchscreen will work. Even air triggers still working on the same time if you want
rossonero777 said:
Kunai gamepad it's already here. I've got only the version to attach it to the phone, since i don't need the adapter to use it as an independent Bluetooth controller.
It comes with the central bumper, the 2 joycons and 1 adapter from usbC to jack, in case you don't wanna use the fan but still wanna use the headset, since the default jack will be covered by the bumper.
It has some presets already for few games, and the rest are completely customizable. I'm still configuring it so I can't give an opinion yet. I can only post 1 picture from the phone.
If someone has any other question, let me know and I'll test whatever I can. View attachment 4851177
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looks cool! how was it? comfy when playing long hour of gaming session?
GAME ON said:
looks cool! how was it? comfy when playing long hour of gaming session?
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havent had that one hour gaming session yet! haha.
according to my short experience:
Call of duty mobile and PUBG: right analog stick is way more slow and imprecise than using the touchscreen, rest of the buttons are great
Dolphin emulator Game Cube / wii: I manily lost all my time tryint to set up this. Problem is, you can set up only 1 mapping setup per app, that means that when you change the controller type (freom wii mote to game cube controller for example) then all your set up it's a mess. The best solution is first set up the key mapping for the kunai, and after that, make fit both Game cube and wii controlers to that previous set up, but i lost a lot of time until i figured that out :silly: tonight I will continue testing
Havent tried anythin else. Saw that brawl stars also is compatible but didnt try it yet.
rossonero777 said:
havent had that one hour gaming session yet! haha.
according to my short experience:
Call of duty mobile and PUBG: right analog stick is way more slow and imprecise than using the touchscreen, rest of the buttons are great
Dolphin emulator Game Cube / wii: I manily lost all my time tryint to set up this. Problem is, you can set up only 1 mapping setup per app, that means that when you change the controller type (freom wii mote to game cube controller for example) then all your set up it's a mess. The best solution is first set up the key mapping for the kunai, and after that, make fit both Game cube and wii controlers to that previous set up, but i lost a lot of time until i figured that out :silly: tonight I will continue testing
Havent tried anythin else. Saw that brawl stars also is compatible but didnt try it yet.
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i see, thanks for ur kind response! gonna note that
How do you map the controller to basic games? Is there some kind of app or does game genie recognize the controller and you can go in there to remap the controller? Is the remap only applicable to games that support game pad or is it to any game? Reason I am asking is because I don't play pubg shooter game. I play generic games. Can you also use it as a basic Bluetooth controller?
Sorry for a lot of questions, these controllers are quote expensive and there is no return, so I have to make sure it serves my purpose.
Excobar90 said:
How do you map the controller to basic games? Is there some kind of app or does game genie recognize the controller and you can go in there to remap the controller? Is the remap only applicable to games that support game pad or is it to any game? Reason I am asking is because I don't play pubg shooter game. I play generic games. Can you also use it as a basic Bluetooth controller?
Sorry for a lot of questions, these controllers are quote expensive and there is no return, so I have to make sure it serves my purpose.
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It works in a similar way than Air triggers. Actually, exactly the same. when you open the game/app, swipe the game genie from the right side, and you will see a new icon there, called Kunai, just under the air trigger's icon. You press there, and then the whole screen will dim a bit, and there you will overlay the whole layout or the buttons that you need, on the app/game interface, an that set up will be saved for that game/app.
To use it as a bluetooth controller, I think you will need the central piece of the Kunai, which I don't have, because the inclusion of that piece made it to double the price. At least here in china, the options I saw were:
- Bumper where you put the phone in (via USB-C) + Kunai left&right = 499 rmb
- Bumper where you put the phone in (via USB-C) + Kunai left&right + central piece to attach Joycons and where I think the bluetooth connection is = 999 rmb
in my opinion, second option is a bit too much since i dont plan to use the Phone as a docked console, but if you do, it might be an option. the thing is that there is no power button or charging port on the kunai that I have, energy only comes through the usb when the kunai its attached to the phone, thats why I guess the central part (that i dont have) will contain the battery and the bluetooth feature, and somehow justify its price.
Thanks for the response, i pretty much got all the answers needed. Since i map/overlay the button layout, i am definetely getting one. I got the cheap Ipega Bluetooth controller, although it works but i can not find a way to change the layout.
In the US the option to buy the controller that i saw is: _ Gamepad, the Gamepad grip and the Kunai Bumper case = 150 usd (999rmb). I would think this is the second option you mentioned and they is no option for return. This is very expensive that is why i asked the questions. I plan on using the Bluetooth capability of the controller and may end up using it as an additional controller for my Nintendo Switch with the help of an adaptor hopefully it works.
So far do you like using it? is it comfortable enough?
Please share the name of the suppliers in China where i can get the - Bumper where you put the phone in (via USB-C) + Kunai left&right = 499 rmb
Thanks
Excobar90 said:
Thanks for the response, i pretty much got all the answers needed. Since i map/overlay the button layout, i am definetely getting one. I got the cheap Ipega Bluetooth controller, although it works but i can not find a way to change the layout.
In the US the option to buy the controller that i saw is: _ Gamepad, the Gamepad grip and the Kunai Bumper case = 150 usd (999rmb). I would think this is the second option you mentioned and they is no option for return. This is very expensive that is why i asked the questions. I plan on using the Bluetooth capability of the controller and may end up using it as an additional controller for my Nintendo Switch with the help of an adaptor hopefully it works.
So far do you like using it? is it comfortable enough?
Please share the name of the suppliers in China where i can get the - Bumper where you put the phone in (via USB-C) + Kunai left&right = 499 rmb
Thanks
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You are welcome. Well, i live in China and I've got it from Jingdong, kind of the "Chinese Amazon" let me post the link
https://item.m.jd.com/product/59276...are&utm_campaign=t_335139774&utm_term=CopyURL
Hope it works, but i don't think they deliver to any other country outside China. My Chinese is not good enough to check that
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rossonero777 said:
havent had that one hour gaming session yet! haha.
according to my short experience:
Call of duty mobile and PUBG: right analog stick is way more slow and imprecise than using the touchscreen, rest of the buttons are great
Dolphin emulator Game Cube / wii: I manily lost all my time tryint to set up this. Problem is, you can set up only 1 mapping setup per app, that means that when you change the controller type (freom wii mote to game cube controller for example) then all your set up it's a mess. The best solution is first set up the key mapping for the kunai, and after that, make fit both Game cube and wii controlers to that previous set up, but i lost a lot of time until i figured that out :silly: tonight I will continue testing
Havent tried anythin else. Saw that brawl stars also is compatible but didnt try it yet.
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Is the right analog stick that slow on these games? I thought on buying it for COD mobile and some other rpg / mmo games, but the right stick is usually the aim one. If it's much slower it might be a deal breaker for me.. And that's a bummer =/
kobkobb said:
Is the right analog stick that slow on these games? I thought on buying it for COD mobile and some other rpg / mmo games, but the right stick is usually the aim one. If it's much slower it might be a deal breaker for me.. And that's a bummer =/
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In my opinion, yes, the right stick sucks for aiming. Maybe it's me, you could give it a try. Good thing is, when the kunai is attached, it stills comfortable enough to aim using the touchscreen and shoot with the kunai trigger, Just ignoring the right joystick. I havent tried any rpg/mmo game yet. If you mention any, I will give it a try.
My mmo games are mostly lineage 2 and world of kings..
But I play more shooters games (well, COD actually..).
Have you tried playing with the sensitivity options in game?
Ot is it a lag issue?
If it's a lag issue I won't buy it probably =/