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I called Verizon today regarding my battery life (at work which I started today I get sh*tty reception which kills my battery in 4 to 5 hours--usually last a full 12-14 hours pretty perfectly). The rep that I talked to quickly realized that I knew what I was talking about tech-wise and thankfully didn't treat me like an idiot.
She said something that got my attention though: she said HTC recently (as in the past few days) released something to Verizon reps saying that Task Killing apps actually interfere with the system and code in a way that drains battery *more* on the Thunderbolt than any other device thus far.
Anyone else heard of something like this or have a reason why it would do this?
*edit* I'm looking for like a dev answer to this... How it interferes with the system? I've seen the threads that explain how it messes with the Activity code but it seemed like it was more than that for the Thunderbolt.
Haven't gone a full day with ATK uninstalled but I'll try tomorrow and see how it goes.
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I called Verizon today regarding my battery life (at work which I started today I get sh*tty reception which kills my battery in 4 to 5 hours--usually last a full 12-14 hours pretty perfectly). The rep that I talked to quickly realized that I knew what I was talking about tech-wise and thankfully didn't treat me like an idiot.
She said something that got my attention though: she said HTC recently (as in the past few days) released something to Verizon reps saying that Task Killing apps actually interfere with the system and code in a way that drains battery *more* on the Thunderbolt than any other device thus far.
Anyone else heard of something like this or have a reason why it would do this?
*edit* I'm looking for like a dev answer to this... How it interferes with the system? I've seen the threads that explain how it messes with the Activity code but it seemed like it was more than that for the Thunderbolt.
Haven't gone a full day with ATK uninstalled but I'll try tomorrow and see how it goes.
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they told me the same thing but not about the battery drain, just that it screws with the system
but on other phones (droid 1) they highly recommend using task killers.
obviously two different phones/companies, but still you'd think they say dont use them for all phones, not just certain phones, because most people feel they are useless.
But it hasn't screwed up anything that i've noticed, and my battery has actually improved since day one, so i think it depends on your phone. And i dont think my improvement is from task killers, i'm rooted and i think custom kernels and roms have helped increased battery life.
Id say whatever works for you do it, and dont worry about the task killers ruining you phone, but if you find out they are then dont use them.
good luck
I would guess that they'd negatively impact performance. The only reason you'd need a task killer is if you were on a 1.5-6 device. In all later version, tasks are managed natively as part of the core os.
One problem is with people using them to auto-kill apps far too aggressively. If you're constantly killing apps that are constantly re-launching (such as clock/weather/SMS/MMS/news/widgets/etc that tend to stay resident), you're going to end up up using a lot more processor time, and thus battery life, than if you just let the apps sit idle.
I heard that its because Android 2.2+ automatically restarts apps that you close and then it uses more memory to restart each time it is killed. There is a built in task killer in the phone anyways. No need for a secondary killer. But from my personal experience: yes I got worse battery life with task killer than without it. Although on my Droid x it was the opposite. Must depend on the phone
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Trevlo said:
I heard that its because Android 2.2+ automatically restarts apps that you close and then it uses more memory to restart each time it is killed. There is a built in task killer in the phone anyways. No need for a secondary killer. But from my personal experience: yes I got worse battery life with task killer than without it. Although on my Droid x it was the opposite. Must depend on the phone
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Your explanation is off a bit but you get a C+ for the spirit of it.
In short, Android use your free memory to cache programs into using spare resources. ATK then removes these apps from this free memory, making it free again. Android then uses your free memory to cache programs. Then ATK. Then Android. Etc... See the problem? Slows down your system and wastes battery doing it. You are correct in that there is a built-in memory-freeing system that does this really when it's needed. There are ways to influence how aggressively it frees memory up.
The reason it helped with your Droid X was because of how pathetic Blur was. With custom roms that removed most of Blur, ATK hurt a lot there as well.
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Your explanation is off a bit but you get a C+ for the spirit of it.
In short, Android use your free memory to cache programs into using spare resources. ATK then removes these apps from this free memory, making it free again. Android then uses your free memory to cache programs. Then ATK. Then Android. Etc... See the problem? Slows down your system and wastes battery doing it. You are correct in that there is a built-in memory-freeing system that does this really when it's needed. There are ways to influence how aggressively it frees memory up.
The reason it helped with your Droid X was because of how pathetic Blur was. With custom roms that removed most of Blur, ATK hurt a lot there as well.
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+1 thank you... didn't feel like explaining all that
one thing to add for all you wondering...ram will use the same amount of power whether it is full or empty so don't' worry about using up all your ram...the android os will kill off apps and caches as needed to keep you running fast and efficient. our batteries life sucks because we use our phones so much or because (like me) we run beta software with bugs.
i've tested numerous times and sitting idle overnight (about 8 hours) on 4g OR WIFI, i will lose between 4 and 6 percent.
Quit muddying up the dev section! This has nothing to do with DEV!
This should probably be in the general section, and yes active task killers will ruin your battery life, if you have it uninstall it. The only way you should ever force close running apps is with the app management built into the android system and thats only for rogue apps that never stop running.
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Your explanation is off a bit but you get a C+ for the spirit of it.
In short, Android use your free memory to cache programs into using spare resources. ATK then removes these apps from this free memory, making it free again. Android then uses your free memory to cache programs. Then ATK. Then Android. Etc... See the problem? Slows down your system and wastes battery doing it. You are correct in that there is a built-in memory-freeing system that does this really when it's needed. There are ways to influence how aggressively it frees memory up.
The reason it helped with your Droid X was because of how pathetic Blur was. With custom roms that removed most of Blur, ATK hurt a lot there as well.
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on droid x wit blur atk still hurt battery life. only worked on eclair.
One thing that I have encountered in supporting VZW technical issues, in addition to battery life, over-aggressive task killers, if not configured properly, can kill necessary apps. People call cause their alarm clock didn't go off, they didn't get text messages for 30 min to an hour, etc. Some of these programs *need* to run in the background.
Yeah from what I understand its not the phone but the os. On eclair task killers helped out . But froyo and gingerbread both take care of all of that in the back ground and using tk's affects the way the two os's are working. I was told all of this back on my Captivate and at the time I was hooked on task killers and Froyo leaks were just coming out. My batt life sucked and a dev some probably know , Designingears , explained all this to me and omg it was hard for me to take in and delete advanced task killer lol. But I did and have never looked back and it definitely improved my batt life. Now every now and then you just get a stubborn run away app that the os just can't stop, can't remember the app but theres a couple out there that take care of this and there not task killers. Me, I just reboot my phone every now and then and all is well .
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so from what I've learned being in the business for 6+ years. The task killers kill everything where android needs certain things to run so your system doesn't lag. That being said a lot of the manufacturer are including a task killer in there new roms to over come this issue. Example the new droid x 2 has a new task killer app. Motorola was the first to say to Verizon no task killing apps and now HTC follows. Wont surprise me with the gingerbread updates to android phones if you see more companies build task killers into their roms. I stopped using a task killer last week and battery life has increased. Just my thoughts and opinion.
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so from what I've learned being in the business for 6+ years. The task killers kill everything where android needs certain things to run so your system doesn't lag. That being said a lot of the manufacturer are including a task killer in there new roms to over come this issue. Example the new droid x 2 has a new task killer app. Motorola was the first to say to Verizon no task killing apps and now HTC follows. Wont surprise me with the gingerbread updates to android phones if you see more companies build task killers into their roms. I stopped using a task killer last week and battery life has increased. Just my thoughts and opinion.
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I second that. When I bought my Thunderbolt the clown at the store told me to put a task killer on it. I did that it killed the battery...On Perfect Strom 1.4 I am getting over 10 hours with out a task killer. Not scientific but I consider 10 hours good for battery life on this phone
Day 1 when I bought the TB a HTC rep was in the VZ store and he was saying same thing then about task killers worsening battery life and performance
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I would guess that they'd negatively impact performance. The only reason you'd need a task killer is if you were on a 1.5-6 device. In all later version, tasks are managed natively as part of the core os.
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exactly.. froyo and GB do the task management job well.. when I had my droid 1 running 2.0, i compared with and without a task killer, and battery life improved a little when I did use task killer. But then with froyo and above, it would actually make it worse to use one..
Me thinks that the phone processes is set up to where a simple task manger can kill them, thus messing with some essential processes. Which in turn, would make the phone have to use a little bit more juice to start the processes back up over and over.
Just my .02 o.o
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Atk initially "sounds" good because most of us use to windows OS. Atk would/could be of use if droids ran windows... Droid is based off Linux and if you read up on how Linux operates, there is no need to constantly kill apps when it doesn't draw on system performance while in the background. Where the problem is, is that some apps have permissions to chill in the background and by killing them and the system brings them back up, just to be killed again. Not gonna drag thus on because I'm typing on my phone, but atk's aren't necessary.
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I did my first ROM and battery update with NonS3ns3 V2.0. All went fine.
I was surprised to see less than 200MB of memory free after the upgrade. I thought one of the benefits of this ROM was that I would be seeing closer to 300 MB of memory free.
I am not using ADW. Currently I have Go Launcher for my front end. Could that be the issue?
Any suggestions?
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I did my first ROM and battery update with NonS3ns3 V2.0. All went fine.
I was surprised to see less than 200MB of memory free after the upgrade. I thought one of the benefits of this ROM was that I would be seeing closer to 300 MB of memory free.
I am not using ADW. Currently I have Go Launcher for my front end. Could that be the issue?
Any suggestions?
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Unused memory is wasted memory. The goal is to use as much as possible while keeping a reserve free for any app that might be opened.
Go launcher is not the issue. I have near 350-400mb on boot with CM7 and I use it (and it's set to stay in memory).
However, as stated previously, if you're not using your ram it's going to waste and I still wouldnt' care if I only had 200mb free. It's not like on windows where you have to start closing stuff to get the ram back. If you start running out, it'll just start closing apps you're not using for you. I wouldn't worry about it. As much as my ram miser instincts want to kick in (because I started out on computers when 8-16mb of ram was a lot ), I just tell that urge to STFU because it's a dumb idea.
I usually have about 240MB free right after boot and that quickly dwindles down to about 140MB to 160MB. That really is plenty for just about anything you're going to make the phone do at any particular moment. When you think about it, an entire Sense ROM couldn't fill all the memory available, much less AOSP. There's caches and other files taking up the rest of the space, which is good because that's less data pulled from eMMC. Addressing eMMC eat a lot of power. Some of the kernel devs have some good info on how their kernels work and how to tweak them to free up more or less memory. It is possible to script the kernel to much more aggressively free up memory, but typically that will hurt performance.
Thanks for the replies. I am new to Android (2 weeks) so still trying to figure out a few things. I am coming from the old school where more free memory was always a good thing so that new apps would start faster.
I am really surprised by how many apps are running in the background on there own such as Whitepages, News, XDA, Weather, Amazon App store, My Verizon, etc. Why are all these apps running? I cant see why the Amazon App store app needs to be running unless I am using it.
I have seen some tools that can be set up to automatically kill some of these apps. Is it worth it? Which one do you reccommend?
I use this and its fantastic. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=991276
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swieder711 said:
Thanks for the replies. I am new to Android (2 weeks) so still trying to figure out a few things. I am coming from the old school where more free memory was always a good thing so that new apps would start faster.
I am really surprised by how many apps are running in the background on there own such as Whitepages, News, XDA, Weather, Amazon App store, My Verizon, etc. Why are all these apps running? I cant see why the Amazon App store app needs to be running unless I am using it.
I have seen some tools that can be set up to automatically kill some of these apps. Is it worth it? Which one do you reccommend?
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Amazon apps, in general, are abuse to resources. Not sure what to tell you about killing it, because killing it is just going to make it restart again, and that's going to eat more battery than letting it just suck up space.
It's not so much the apps on Amazon as the Amazon App itself and how they implement things. Amazon has some crappy DRM for their apps (if the developer decides they want it). Basically means it checks a lot to see if you're online and allowed to use the application (but does so way more than it needs). Some apps have problems or did with working in airplane mode because of that.
It also thinks you have a new phone nearly 100% of the time when you flash a new rom or update your current one. You can log into your amazon account on your PC and find out how many "phones" you have under your account settings for their apps. Each added phone basically causes the app to flip out more and cause more problems, so deleting the extra ones is a good idea.
Other apps will not work without the Amazon store installed, which is a poorly coded piece of crap as well that won't work if you try to modify the contents of the apk.
Also, a lot of those apps running in the background are not really taking up resources, they're just keeping a bare minimum loaded into memory and the rest is cached. They do that so they can load up quickly (like the browser, maps, etc).
I've been on BAMF forever for a few days now, and I typically have only 90-100MB of free RAM. It has been absolutely smooth as can be with no lag. I can open an app, use it for a bit, and then hit home so I can open another app to check on something, and the first app stays in memory just as it should.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have removed Amazon from my Tbolt.
It still bothers me to see all those other apps being loaded in the background without asking first. It's like my 17 yo daughter leaving her stuff around the house. It just seems disrespectful of the common spaces.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have removed Amazon from my Tbolt.
It still bothers me to see all those other apps being loaded in the background without asking first. It's like my 17 yo daughter leaving her stuff around the house. It just seems disrespectful of the common spaces.
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you'll get used to it. just pretend they're not really open (well most really aren't open, so I guess you dont totally have to pretend, haha)
I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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ilovesoad said:
Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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Yea I am a noob... where in my question did I say I wanted more memory? Are you a noob at reading? I asked if the script I am using goes against the principle of using memory or if it is in fact filling it. Forgive me if I was unclear, but a Smiley in your post doesn't make up for a snide reply. I've only been using android for over a month and i have learned quite a bit already. Just wanted a little clarification/
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Memory on android (linux) doesn't work like you guys think it does. Links caches processes in memory for faster startup times later. If you're mad at stuff running in memory all the time, like a lot of noobs on here, go use another platform this is how android and Linux as a whole runs to speed things up for you on the front end.
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I have always said that im not looking so much for a higher number where I see free ram. I just didn't want my ram being used AT ALL by apps/processes that I don't touch AT ALL. Thus allowing me to have more "free ram" for the things I DO USE which of course makes my phone "run faster/smoother" as my system doesn't have ti drop an app I am not using to allow enough ram to go to the one I am opening.
Just felt.like putting my 2cents sorry.
And I only use v6 supercharger for oom grouping fix as that's what I found benefits the.phones operations. Its not the minfree adjustments that help so much as the groupings fix that comes along with it. At least that's what I've found with my experience /experiments
try it. U SHOULD notice same silky buttery results
Everyone seems to find different results tho but it's worth a try. I feel like gingerbread minfrees are fine where they are. Oom grouping fix is what's helping/needed for smoother operations
It just gets old with people complaining about their lack of memory. Supercharger and speedy etc work by other ways. The free memory is (almost) inconsequential.
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It just gets old with people complaining about their lack of memory. Supercharger and speedy etc work by other ways. The free memory is (almost) inconsequential.
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I can understand what your saying. I was by no means complaining. I am loving how my phone is running. Just wanted some information on what these scripts are doing. From what I understand they free memory up, which goes against what I read is opposite of how the phone should work. Either way phone runs like sh*t thru a goose!!
You can't blame people for complaining about the memory problems. Between the 384 MB RAM and Motorola's inability to program, this phone multitasks worse than an iPhone on iOS 1.
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This thread needs closed. Not b/c of the OP but b/c of the back handed comments to the OP..if he/she wants to spend time finding the best way to have more free RAM then he should be allowed to inquire, after searching first, w/out people back handing him, but this wouldn't be XDA if you folks let this go.
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I have read that the more memory you are using the better w android. Got that....Now my question is. I am running the v6 supercharger script on aggressive while using eclipse 1.0 for. 2.3.4.. When I run the script it seems my memory goes way lower than it would without. For instance w/o running my memory is around 150 to 180. While running script its down to 80 and below, which right now is fine. My music skipping is 99% gone. (Like one quick skip during intensive applications, once at startup than butter smeared on silk). Seriously now after my tangent, my question is ; I thought the minfrees in the script kept memory available to the system, is that what it does? Or does it load the memory up so starting applications don't take up CPU speed? If the latter is the case doesnt that go against what the os is supposed to do?I'm from blackberry and loving this phone especially with nitros newest and best!!! Just want some clarifications for myself and others.
This forum + nitros work = awesome. I can't believe how fast my phone is right now compared to when I got it a month ago!!!
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Basically what these scripts do is change the limit for when Android "needs" to kill a running process. Different types of processes are assigned an OOM or Out Of Memory group. when free memory reaches your limit you choose in these scripts Android starts killing off apps with the least amount of "value" so if say you've picked a setting in your script that says you want 80mb free, as long as you have 80mb or more free it leaves the idle processes alone, the second it dips below 80 Android starts killing idle processes to free up memory and continuing on killing processes until it's back to the preprogrammed "safe levels".
I probably got something wrong there or left something out/mixed something up, I haven't slept in 2 days but, that's the jist of it.
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Basically what these scripts do is change the limit for when Android "needs" to kill a running process. Different types of processes are assigned an OOM or Out Of Memory group. when free memory reaches your limit you choose in these scripts Android starts killing off apps with the least amount of "value" so if say you've picked a setting in your script that says you want 80mb free, as long as you have 80mb or more free it leaves the idle processes alone, the second it dips below 80 Android starts killing idle processes to free up memory and continuing on killing processes until it's back to the preprogrammed "safe levels".
I probably got something wrong there or left something out/mixed something up, I haven't slept in 2 days but, that's the jist of it.
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Thanks man... I appreciate the info. I really don't worry about free memory at all. That was not my intention in this thread. I am new to android and when I pick something up I wanna learn as much as I can about it. Asking questions is usually the best way to find answers haha.
To the poster that asked for this thread to be closed, I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't worry about petty things posted on the internet. I told him what I thought and that's that...
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Thanks man... I appreciate the info. I really don't worry about free memory at all. That was not my intention in this thread. I am new to android and when I pick something up I wanna learn as much as I can about it. Asking questions is usually the best way to find answers haha.
To the poster that asked for this thread to be closed, I appreciate the sentiment, but I don't worry about petty things posted on the internet. I told him what I thought and that's that...
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You're welcome, I'm just like you, I like to know how stuff works. You've probably heard it before but, a well phrased google search really is your best friend. You might have to skim over a dozen pages before you really find what you want to know but have the battle is knowing some key terms. Like "minfrees" "OOM groupings" etc. Also I believe zeppelinrocks OP on supercharger script has a lot of the info you're looking for. Just keep reading, keep google searching new terms you learn, keep asking questions, and most importantly don't get discouraged.
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You're welcome, I'm just like you, I like to know how stuff works. You've probably heard it before but, a well phrased google search really is your best friend. You might have to skim over a dozen pages before you really find what you want to know but have the battle is knowing some key terms. Like "minfrees" "OOM groupings" etc. Also I believe zeppelinrocks OP on supercharger script has a lot of the info you're looking for. Just keep reading, keep google searching new terms you learn, keep asking questions, and most importantly don't get discouraged.
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+1 Zepps supercharger thread is GREAT and had so much info! I learned a lot reading some of that thread.
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See, it's the attitude exhibited by people like ilovesoad that burns my ass.
Linux "gurus" that preach that memory must be as full as possible and it won't effect performance.
That's Bull****.
Guess what?
Linux is for PCs. So why the hell should Android be configured like it's a PC?
Yeah great, background apps load quicker when ram is full. Big deal.
What good is that when the dialer lags like hell? It's a phone ffs.
I don't need a ram filled, laggy phone that does **** that I don't care about in the background.
Fact is, when memory is too full, it bogs down to the point that you want to pull your hair out.
On the flipside, any given device won't get any performance increase over a certain level of free RAM.
So I try and find settings that match up to a devices "lag level" - the point at which free RAM gets low enough to slow the system down.
The faster the phone, the more free ram it needs free so that the cpu doesn't get bottlenecked by too little ram.
Anything above that is pointless.
So on my Milestone, which doesn't have much ram anyway, the lag level is about 25 - 30 mb - so that's what I set slot 3 at for 256 mb devices.
For 512mb devices I got ALOT of input in order to determine that a 512mb device will start to lag anywhere between 50 -80 mb or so... so that's why I have slot 3 in that ballpark for my 512mb device settings.
So that's what it does - finds the balance between performance and multitasking - while getting rid of the damn laggy launcher once and for all.
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See, it's the attitude exhibited by people like ilovesoad that burns my ass.
Linux "gurus" that preach that memory must be as full as possible and it won't effect performance.
That's Bull****.
Guess what?
Linux is for PCs. So why the hell should Android be configured like it's a PC?
Yeah great, background apps load quicker when ram is full. Big deal.
What good is that when the dialer lags like hell? It's a phone ffs.
I don't need a ram filled, laggy phone that does **** that I don't care about in the background.
Fact is, when memory is too full, it bogs down to the point that you want to pull your hair out.
On the flipside, any given device won't get any performance increase over a certain level of free RAM.
So I try and find settings that match up to a devices "lag level" - the point at which free RAM gets low enough to slow the system down.
The faster the phone, the more free ram it needs free so that the cpu doesn't get bottlenecked by too little ram.
Anything above that is pointless.
So on my Milestone, which doesn't have much ram anyway, the lag level is about 25 - 30 mb - so that's what I set slot 3 at for 256 mb devices.
For 512mb devices I got ALOT of input in order to determine that a 512mb device will start to lag anywhere between 50 -80 mb or so... so that's why I have slot 3 in that ballpark for my 512mb device settings.
So that's what it does - finds the balance between performance and multitasking - while getting rid of the damn laggy launcher once and for all.
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Thanks a lot for responding, you answered my question and put the smack down too lol. Script is running fine and phone is fast fast fast. I even use a lwp now with no lag!!!!
heh.. yeah.. it was late and I was tired and gumpy but the rant felt great lol
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heh.. yeah.. it was late and I was tired and gumpy but the rant felt great lol
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Tired/buzzing/don't care rants feel the best...I did one of the don't care rants on the moto soak test forum. Felt damn good to get it out there
Is there a way to increase my RAM memory? I tried partition SD but it just increases my internal memory..
Thank you in advanced!
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maybe it have a software on market but i dont remember it
Nope. From the factory we have a misleading 512mb. I say that due to the fact that something like 170mb is automatically eaten up by the Android system. Leaving us with a meager 340mb. In the beginning kernel makers were tweaking the amount we had available but it left other things broken. We can never have more ram available without ruining other processes. And adding a new chip of ram like a pc is absolutely out of the question. May I ask why do you need more ram? Are your homescreens widget city? I've needed to compromise which widgets I use but thanks to circle launcher makes it not half bad.
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One of the things that I do when I flash a new ROM is delete all the /system/apps that I do not use. Well, delete isn't really the right word. I move them over to a folder on my external, so just in case I ever want to reinstall them, I can just move them back to /system/app, wipe Dalvik and reboot and viola they are there. Another thing that I also do is if I don't know about a certain app and what it does, I'll use TBPro to freeze it and wait for a few days to see if there are any adverse effect. If not, then I'll uninstall, If so, then I will defrost and make note.
The reason I mention this is, aside from being in widget/homescreen hell, there are system apps that you may not need/use that are running and taking up unneccessary RAM. Example: If you never use Maps, then move it out and that service (locator- I think it is) won't be running in the background.
There are times that I opened a lot of apps,some still runs in background even if i already closed it and it decreases the performance of my phone.. I have a friend who have a Samsung Ace and he was able to add up memory of his ram..I did the same thing and it just adds up on my internal SD... just wondering if that is something to do with tweaking.. by the way I'm on MIUI
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lien_atusrag said:
There are times that I opened a lot of apps,some still runs in background even if i already closed it and it decreases the performance of my phone.. I have a friend who have a Samsung Ace and he was able to add up memory of his ram..I did the same thing and it just adds up on my internal SD... just wondering if that is something to do with tweaking.. by the way I'm on MIUI
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Any of the "hacks" to get more memory on this phone will result in either lower performance or breaking something or both. That's why there's not anything around for "increasing" memory.
Any by the way, he probably added a swap partition on his phone, which NONE of the roms for vibrant support/have implemented.
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Well try what I do. Im using startup manager and blocking which apps are allowed to startup without me starting them. Start up cleaner is free and appears to do the same thing. Much better than freezing in titanium because they are still useable. A VERY few apps might start up anyway but who cares you will be in much better shape overall.
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Just what it says. I've had my Galaxy S3 for 4 days and I've noticed that I only ever have about 100mbs (out of 800) free on my phone at any one time.
On my SGS2 I have over 300mb even with many games/apps running.
Sure my SGS3 is far faster than my SGS2 but when it comes to Web surfing and watching flash videos on pages, as well as just browsing around the home screen sometimes the phone gets so low on memory that it just starts to randomly kill apps that I have open. Apps like: Avast (which I don't use for the Anti-virus but for the extensive Anti-theft protection), Viber - which I use for making and receiving VoIP calls and Tasker. Which I use for automating things.
Surely a phone like this needs RAM I'm sure. But leaving me with just 100mbs spare for everything else can't be right can it?
I don't have many things running. Just the normal stuff. The main point is that my SGS2 could easily handle all this.
Anyone else having the same problem? Is there anything I can do? I use the Opera Mobile (not lite) browser.
I'd be happy to provide more information if needed. I'm pretty gutted over this. Battery life is lovely but the phone's performance grinds to a total halt when it clears its RAM... Which I never did manually on my SGS2 because it drains battery when it caches everything instantly again anyway.
Thanks so much in advance.
P.S. I can't find a 'task manager' app anywhere. I know if hold down the home button that I can access the task manager by pressing 'task manager' but that doesn't show me anything useful like what the SGS2 does. I can't exit apps or see how much RAM and CPU they are using or anything. Does the SGS3 really not have this option??
Touchwiz for s3 is heavy! Normally you shouldn't worry about ram on Android but touchwiz is really little much... I would recommend cm9 maybe.. Lightweight and fast
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Free ram is wasted ram, that is all
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Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
Ram handling is clearly flawed in SGS 3, lets hope the is no HW bug.
Hopefully future updates will fix the leaking memory.
Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
leijonasisu said:
Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
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What are you even doing here? I'm running custom rom and the killing of apps is gone.
To those people spamming about "free ram is wasted ram" that is true BUT samsung set their priorities wrong to start killing apps you use, since touchwiz is pretty big it kills the apps you need instead. On cm9 the ram can be used for cache for stuff you actually need and use. This dude having issues with multitasking due to bad priorities wich is solved by mods / custom roms.. If you not are willing to try that I have no clue why you ask in xda for help.
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leijonasisu said:
Just what it says. I've had my Galaxy S3 for 4 days and I've noticed that I only ever have about 100mbs (out of 800) free on my phone at any one time.
On my SGS2 I have over 300mb even with many games/apps running.
Sure my SGS3 is far faster than my SGS2 but when it comes to Web surfing and watching flash videos on pages, as well as just browsing around the home screen sometimes the phone gets so low on memory that it just starts to randomly kill apps that I have open. Apps like: Avast (which I don't use for the Anti-virus but for the extensive Anti-theft protection), Viber - which I use for making and receiving VoIP calls and Tasker. Which I use for automating things.
Surely a phone like this needs RAM I'm sure. But leaving me with just 100mbs spare for everything else can't be right can it?
I don't have many things running. Just the normal stuff. The main point is that my SGS2 could easily handle all this.
Anyone else having the same problem? Is there anything I can do? I use the Opera Mobile (not lite) browser.
I'd be happy to provide more information if needed. I'm pretty gutted over this. Battery life is lovely but the phone's performance grinds to a total halt when it clears its RAM... Which I never did manually on my SGS2 because it drains battery when it caches everything instantly again anyway.
Thanks so much in advance.
P.S. I can't find a 'task manager' app anywhere. I know if hold down the home button that I can access the task manager by pressing 'task manager' but that doesn't show me anything useful like what the SGS2 does. I can't exit apps or see how much RAM and CPU they are using or anything. Does the SGS3 really not have this option??
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Maybe free ram in android is wasted ram, but only if the ram is used for USEFUL apps. Samsung have made a lot of stupid apps run in the background at all time, like softwareupdate, Chaton, some clud service process, AllShare Service, and a lot more (google maps also run at any given time, eating 30 mb of ram). All of this apps run in the background and take up a lot of ram, even tho I NEVER use this apps. All of these running apps, prevent the apps that I USE from being kept in the ram, and thus leads to a longer load time (f.x. Handcent SMS take a sec or 2 to load if it is not already loaded in the ram). What I did was to download Autostarts from the market and prevent these apps from starting up by themself, and thus I made room for the apps I use to be kept in the ram. However, be carefull, disabling apps from starting up (especially system apps), can cause problems!
Lennyuk said:
Free ram is wasted ram, that is all
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If someone has 300MB free ram and is asking about freeing up more ram this makes sense.
If free ram is always <100mb then there's a memory management problem.
OP try disabling unused apps in the app manager, streamline startup apps and use gemini to turn off auto launching of unneeded apps.
On stock I used to have about 150-200MB free ram at boot. With CM9 and 10 i get 300-400MB free RAM at boot.
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
leijonasisu said:
Hey thanks a lot for your reply!
I will never be flashing a custom Rom over this phone. I like it the way that it is. I'm using Nova Launcher not TwLauncher.
Surely touchwiz can't be that big of a RAM hog. I have 4.0.3 on my SGS2 how can 4.0.4 be so much worse?
Edit: Obviously free RAM is wasted RAM but did you even read my post at all??? My phone keeps running out of RAM and killing apps, then reloading them instantly which slows down my phone to a halt and excessively drains my battery...
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Just freeze all of the bloatware. Install a good custom kernel (eg Siyah) and move on! No one to blame but yourself for not doing that or wanting to.
Android is doing its job just fine with memory. It's just bogged down by Samsung and vendor crapware.
Be lucky you ain't in the US, DHS big brother software becoming mandatory soon lol
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tsangwc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
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mant thanks for your post, wasn't awared about this 2 topics... :good:
dfMails said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
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This has nothing to do with the issues op is facing, stop spamming all these in threads without reading the op at least.. I'm not talking to you directly but to everyone that just reads topic and "free ram wasted ram!"
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norpan111 said:
This has nothing to do with the issues op is facing, stop spamming all these in threads without reading the op at least.. I'm not talking to you directly but to everyone that just reads topic and "free ram wasted ram!"
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Tell me about it. Ive been here a week n already sick of all the 'You're a noob we're better than you' bs :-/
DocRambone said:
Ram handling is clearly flawed in SGS 3, lets hope the is no HW bug.
Hopefully future updates will fix the leaking memory.
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I can see that from just normal use. If any webpage is open with any sort of flash container my SGS3 just starts killing background apps and throwing "Low RAM" errors. I wonder if Jelly Bean will fix this issue?
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Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
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Excuse me but not everyone who asks questions in the XDA forums are idiots. I don't know what's with the attitude here of everyone with a couple of hundred posts but I'm not impressed. Knowing how RAM management works has NOTHING to do with this thread. The complaint in question here is that my phone is constantly running out of RAM and when it does it starts to kill background apps to free RAM which in turn grinds my phone down to a halt, and drains the battery excessively. Are you just here to get your post count up or something?
tsangwc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813018&highlight=memory
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812620&highlight=memory
Search a bit more next time. Read these threads and you will know why it is silly to want more free RAM.
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UGHHHH!!! READ WHOLE DAMN POST! NOT JUST THE THREAD LINE.. I don't care about if my phone has 3MB of RAM free all the time or not as long as it works without a hitch, what I care about is that my phone is killing background apps that I need open and then constantly reloading them over and over when I'm web browsing and sometimes when I'm just at the home-screen.
norpan111 said:
What are you even doing here? If you not are willing to try that I have no clue why you ask in xda for help.
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XDA isn't just about modding/using custom roms etc. There are multiple sections on the forums here for discussion about other topics. Including asking general questions about the device... I use ROMs on my other phones where I can because I love them and I don't mind the constant updating I have to do. But on this phone, I don't want to use partially-unstable roms that require me to constantly flash my phone over and over again just to get features that are already working fine in the general release version. There is no guarantee that this problem will be fixed in a rom anyway and some of us don't like breaking our warranty. Even if it's child's-play to return the phone back to stock settings and renew the warranty.
kbkrogs said:
Maybe free ram in android is wasted ram, but only if the ram is used for USEFUL apps. Samsung have made a lot of stupid apps run in the background at all time, like software update, Chaton, some clud service process, AllShare Service, and a lot more (google maps also run at any given time, eating 30 mb of ram).
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I've frozen all of these... 'Talkback, OTA Updates, Bluetooth (I never use it) as well as turned off NFC and a bunch of other things etc. etc. etc. I don't have that much running in the background but my phone still bounces between 330MBs (after killing everything) of free RAM and under >90. (2 mins later after everything has reloaded) To which it then starts throwing warnings and killing apps I need.
jbonetwo said:
If someone has 300MB free ram and is asking about freeing up more ram this makes sense.
If free ram is always <100mb then there's a memory management problem.
OP try disabling unused apps in the app manager, streamline startup apps and use gemini to turn off auto launching of unneeded apps.
On stock I used to have about 150-200MB free ram at boot. With CM9 and 10 i get 300-400MB free RAM at boot.
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^This. THANKYOU! Finally someone who didn't just read the tagline and post stupid retorts like "This isn't Windows" etc. I thought I was being plenty clear enough when I stated that the problem I was talking about was the fact that the phone goes from blisteringly fast, to painstakingly slow whilst browsing.
Disabling ALL addons (Javascript, Flash etc). from running while browsing stops this from happening 99.9% of the time. I also removed Tasker, much to my displeasure and froze a few more apps and it seems to happen less now but I'm still hovering around the 'workable' part of my phone. Which makes me feel a bit displeased because I didn't buy a phone to be limited by what I can do with it...
dfMails said:
http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Simple question for Google
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Thanks for being another jackass who posts unhelpful crap in threads without actually reading them at all. You might think you're doing people a favor but you're not, and if that's how you roll, then forums aren't the place for you.
KMino said:
Just freeze all of the bloatware. Install a good custom kernel (eg Siyah) and move on! No one to blame but yourself for not doing that or wanting to.
Android is doing its job just fine with memory. It's just bogged down by Samsung and vendor crapware.
Be lucky you ain't in the US, DHS big brother software becoming mandatory soon lol
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It's hard to freeze bloatware when you have a bunch of people posting in forums that they don't know half of what the apps on the SGS3 do and if they are safe to freeze or not. I've done some searches but it seems that most people are generally confused about what is safe or not to freeze. Same thing happened with the SGS2. When I got it I googled (and found this place) what I could freeze and found people nitpicking over what they should, and shouldn't freeze. I have frozen everything that I've found is safe to, from multiple threads on the forums here.
I'll go and read a thread though as to why it's a good idea to flash a new kernel. I'd rather not have any restrictions as it is anyway, so that will be my next step, thanks!
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Thanks a ton to anyone who gave me the time of day and didn't just slam up some copypaste drama that has nothing to do with this thread. Free RAM is wasted RAM but when there isn't enough free RAM that background apps start getting killed (and usually instantly reloaded) then it goes without saying phone gets slower, battery drains faster, performance loss etc.
Excuse my retarded attitude but this isn't even the 10th time here I've had to dodge people who just post crap without even reading anything, and then just move on and do the same thing over and over.
I'm going to flash a new kernel, cross my fingers and freeze a few more apps, turn plug-ins to 'on demand' and cross my fingers again.
Thanks again to everyone who really helped and peace. I added thanks to you guys.
leijonasisu said:
Thanks for being another jackass......""
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Thank you, the same to you!
jnr21 said:
Does people think that android is windows, or why someone allways complain about low ram? People, please learn how android ram management really works.
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yeah. stop think like windows (even though windows 7 ram management is good). andoid load it's system/app in ram to provide faster response. but once you need it more, it will clear unused app to free more ram..not to worry about that..
ascariz said:
yeah. stop think like windows (even though windows 7 ram management is good). andoid load it's system/app in ram to provide faster response. but once you need it more, it will clear unused app to free more ram..not to worry about that..
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The problem begins when it start killing apps you are using instead of killing those bloated apps.
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Are you rooted?
If yes:
1 freeze all the bloatware
2 install v6supercharger and set lowmemorykiller values as low as possible
3 install hardswap script
4 you are done...
Now, make your own search, it is all in xda.
I gave you the hint, Nov it is up to you
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